Does it really exist? Prove it!

[4reals]

The older I get, the more I start to wonder if certain cards REALLY exist. It's one thing to not find one or own one, but to never actually see a picture of one...now that's another story!

This thread is designed to provide hope. Post a request of what you'd like to see a picture of and maybe someone will find it for you.

Good luck!

[4reals]

I have never seen:

1968 Atlantic Oil Contest Card of Claude Osteen or Ron Fairly

1976 Hostess Ron Cey (reversed negative variation)

[commishbob]

Now had this thread popped up yesterday I'd have asked about the 1962 Sherriff Billy Pierce coin I've had on my wantlist for years and years and never seen. :mad:

But last night in another thread I was tipped that it was never issued. It's appeared on checklists at Trading Card Database and numerous other places but doing more digging last night I saw that those listings are incorrect. So a Net54 member has saved me more futile searching. ;)

[cardinalcollector]

I have never seen:

1968 Atlantic Oil Contest Card of Claude Osteen or Ron Fairly

1976 Hostess Ron Cey (reversed negative variation)

Here is a link to the Osteen. I believe a member of this board owns one.


http://www.tradingcarddb.com/GalleryP.cfm/pid/4408/col/1/yea/1968/Claude-Osteen?sTeam=&sCardNum=&sNote=&sSetName=&sBrand=

[RaidonCollects]

Anyone ever heard of a 1955 Topps stamps HOFer? I have seen posts about a Hank Aaron, but I haven't seen any proof for that. One day I'd like to try and put together a definitive checklist/gallery of the set.

Owen

[ALR-bishop]

Have seen a scan of an Aaron. It was pretty beat up and the asking price was pretty high. I have one of the Stamps, unfortunately it is Mossi, ears and nose all over. There is a partial checklist in the SCD Standard Catalog. You might send a pm to Larry (sflayank) . I think he has some.

There is a earlier thread in here on this....somewhere

[ALR-bishop]

Topps 1962 Stamp with Sievers as Athletic ?

Topps 2002 Pujols with correct back ( not Polanco) ?

[bobsbbcards]

Have seen a scan of an Aaron.

Me too.

[grainsley]

I would love to confirm that a 1957 Jay Publishing of Billy Hoeft really exists, it is on my list. Have seen one on Dr. Google "purporting" to be Jay Publishing, it might be, but I have never seen one on Ebay or COMC. Don't even have any idea if it came in a photo pack, mail order, or what.

[Bigdaddy]

Delete..

[Rrrlyons]

[QUOTE=ALR-bishop;1752365]Topps 1962 Stamp with Sievers as Athletic ?

Me too so I'll add 1968 OPC poster #32 Joe Morgan

Rick

[sflayank]

62 stamp does not exist
68 morgan opc pinup does not exist
all 55 stamps are now at psa being graded except the panel of 4

[ALR-bishop]

How many do you have Larry and which ones ( 55 Stamps) ?

And I remember when folks were saying the 68 Mays Plaq did not exist either....but then one showed up :)

[RaidonCollects]

Thanks everyone for the info about the stamps. I'm glad to hear that there are some out there.

Owen

[darkhorse9]

1978 Wiffle Ball bat/ball holder with Hrabosky and Bonds

I have been attempting to complete this set since it cam out and have never, ever even seen a picture of this one. I have been able to confirm all the rest of the 86 cards of the 88 listed. I can't even confirm 100% that these are the two players on it or that they are on a bat/ball holder.

[sflayank]

hi al
i believe 17 different and 3 dupes 55 stamps
that includes the 4 stamp panel

[insidethewrapper]

Is this a 1957 Jay Publishing issue of Billy Hoeft ?

[toppcat]

hi al
i believe 17 different and 3 dupes 55 stamps
that includes the 4 stamp panel

23 known, 24 if you count Aaron:

"CORKY" VALENTINE REDLEGS
"RUBE" WALKER DODGERS
ALEX GRAMMAS CARDINALS
BILL SKOWRON YANKEES
BILL TREMEL CUBS
BOB SKINNER PIRATES
BOBBY HOFMAN GIANTS
CHARLIE WHITE BRAVES
CHUCK DIERING ORIOLES
DAVE JOLLY BRAVES
DON MOSSI INDIANS
HARVEY HADDIX CARDINALS
HOWIE POLLET CUBS
JACK SHEPARD PIRATES
JIM DAVIS CUBS
JIM PENDELTON BRAVES
JOE CUNNINGHAM CARDINALS
KARL SPOONER DODGERS
RAY BOONE TIGERS
RAY JABLONSKI REDLEGS
RUBEN GOMEZ GIANTS
STAN HACK CUBS
TED KAZANSKI PHILLIES

I believe at least 40 are possible based upon the section of the card sheet they are taken from. At least one stamp from each row and column is known so I think it highly likely all 40 were produced (U means unconfirmed) and possibly 50 if column 1 from the uncut sheet was also included. There is no correlation with the Sports Illustrated inserts either, which are much more random. The 4 stamp block is reproduced as well, it's intact on the schematic, so I think my theory is plausible.

[ALR-bishop]

Great info Dave, thanks

[Exhibitman]

I have never seen:

1968 Atlantic Oil Contest Card of Claude Osteen or Ron Fairly

1976 Hostess Ron Cey (reversed negative variation)

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1968%20Atlantic%20Oil%20Osteen.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

1978 Wiffle Ball bat/ball holder with Hrabosky and Bonds

I have been attempting to complete this set since it cam out and have never, ever even seen a picture of this one. I have been able to confirm all the rest of the 86 cards of the 88 listed. I can't even confirm 100% that these are the two players on it or that they are on a bat/ball holder.

ArmourPhil showed an uncut sheet of these a couple of years ago, this is the best I could make a scan of it. That proved that the Hrabosky/Bonds sleeve existed. He also proved that they were a 1979 issue, not 1978 as previously thought. I agree that there hasn't been sight of one available, just like the one with the pink Buckner/Eckersley discs from the sheet, which I have never seen available. ETA: there were even two different Hrabosky/Bonds sleeves on the sheet, one with dark colors and one with light colors.

[hangman62]

1968 Topps plastic Plak Willie Mays

[ALR-bishop]

See post 13. Someone here, not me, has one.

[Cliff Bowman]

1968 Topps plastic Plak Willie Mays.

[4reals]

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1968%20Atlantic%20Oil%20Osteen.jpg



It’s a thing of beauty! Thanks!


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[frankhardy]

Topps 1962 Stamp with Sievers as Athletic ?

Topps 2002 Pujols with correct back ( not Polanco) ?

I personally do not believe that the 2002 Topps Pujols correct back exists. I believe the SCD got it wrong. If I remember correctly, the Chrome, Chrome Refractors, and Opening Day have the correct back.

[ALR-bishop]

I think you are right Shane. And also think Larry is right about the Sievers stamp.

[frankhardy]

How about the 1967 Topps Punchouts Bob Gibson? I have been under the impression for years that this card does NOT exist, even though it is listed in the SCD.

Edited to say that I found a thread that I started back in 2010 asking this question... Consensus says that it doesn't exist.

[sflayank]

Doesnt exist

[rhettyeakley]

Here are my two winners... (I wonder how many are actually out there, no more than a handful I'd guess)...
http://starsofthediamond.com/atlanticwinners.jpg

Here is another winner but of a different Oil Companies contest, I can't recall ever seeing another panel with both halves of the Ruth...
http://starsofthediamond.com/americanoilwinner.jpg

[Bestdj777]

That Ruth is bizarre. Unless it remained unopened until more recently, I can't imagine someone not immediately cashing that in for the prize. That's beyond cool.

[detroitbaseball]

Has anyone ever seen an Alan Trammell 1979 Hostess unissued proof?

This set is listed in the Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards.

[bobsbbcards]

Has anyone ever seen an Alan Trammell 1979 Hostess unissued proof?

Yes. :)

http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1979/1979hostess/79Hostess169Trammell.jpg http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1979/1979hostess/79Hostess169TrammellBack.jpg

[swarmee]

Fake slab? Why no cert# or AUTH/grade?

[detroitbaseball]

Holy smokes! I've been looking for this ever since the first time I saw it listed in the Standard Catalog. I know it's a proof but why is the photo reversed? Do you know how many exist? I haven't been this excited about Hostess cards since I was collecting them as a kid in the late 1970's while eating Twinkies.:D

Yes. :)

http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1979/1979hostess/79Hostess169Trammell.jpg http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1979/1979hostess/79Hostess169TrammellBack.jpg

[Cliff Bowman]

The 1979 Hostess unissued Alan Trammell card is a reversed photo, which is pretty cool. ETA: two minutes late as usual.

[judgejules1]

For me there are two Mays items that I've never seen. They also happen to be two of two of the remaining five that I need to complete the master set:

1958-1961 JAY PUBLISHING PHOTOS-TYPE 1 WILLIE MAYS PORTRAIT-POSE TO NECK
1968 AMERICAN OIL WILLIE MAYS LEFT SIDE-$10

[bobsbbcards]

Fake slab? Why no cert# or AUTH/grade?
Because it isn't graded (or in a slab at all). I like the look of the PSA slabs for display purposes, so I scan a lot of cards and insert the front/back scans in a faux PSA slab. Pretty, isn't it? :)

[bobsbbcards]

I know it's a proof but why is the photo reversed? Do you know how many exist?

I don't know--it just is. At least one. :cool:

I pride myself on the helpfulness of my answers.

[Cliff Bowman]

If someone can show proof that the 1972 Topps Venezuelan #87 Jose Cardenal Cachorros (Cubs) sticker/card exists, I would be most grateful.

[ALR-bishop]

I have always found Bob helpful, except in those instances when he wasn't

[swarmee]

1958-1961 JAY PUBLISHING PHOTOS-TYPE 1 WILLIE MAYS PORTRAIT-POSE TO NECK: Guy in 1st RICKKENDALL1 has a PSA 4.5 (Highest Graded) and has the email symbol next to his name. Send him a message
1968 AMERICAN OIL WILLIE MAYS LEFT SIDE-$10: These are super rare since the few they made were probably redeemed for the prize. Pop Report 2 PSA 2s, 1 PSA 5.

[judgejules1]

Thanks John.
I've contacted Rick already. No response for my request to see a picture.
And yeah, I'm aware of the pop report for the American Oil. I've never seen one, and have reached out to those on the registry that are supposed to have them and also received no response on that one too.
So am hoping someone here might have an ungraded sample, or at least a picture of one.

1958-1961 JAY PUBLISHING PHOTOS-TYPE 1 WILLIE MAYS PORTRAIT-POSE TO NECK: Guy in 1st RICKKENDALL1 has a PSA 4.5 (Highest Graded) and has the email symbol next to his name. Send him a message
1968 AMERICAN OIL WILLIE MAYS LEFT SIDE-$10: These are super rare since the few they made were probably redeemed for the prize. Pop Report 2 PSA 2s, 1 PSA 5.

[BuckeyeJim]

I personally do not believe that the 2002 Topps Pujols correct back exists. I believe the SCD got it wrong. If I remember correctly, the Chrome, Chrome Refractors, and Opening Day have the correct back.

I have always wondered if the 2002 Topps Pujols exists. I have hope that it does because I know that it exists in Topps Japanese issue Kanebo because I have one.

[frankhardy]

I am certain that the Japanese version was produced long after the base set was produced. The same goes for Chrome, Refractors, Opening Day, etc. If the regular card was ever corrected, surely at least ONE would surface.

[Rich Klein]

We ran an article in Beckett while I was there back in the day and Clay at Topps confirmed those cards existed and we even had an image back then. The 2002 Topps Pujols with a Pujols back exists. May be hard to find, really hard to find, but they do exist.

Rich

[detroitbaseball]

I don't know--it just is. At least one. :cool:

I pride myself on the helpfulness of my answers.

Thanks for posting the pic and proving that it does exist, I appreciate it. Now I know to keep it on my wantlist. If you ever decide to sell it just let me know.:)

[hcv123]

I have never seen a 1960 Bazooka complete box with Roberto Clemente. To make it a tad "easier" I have also never seen a 1960 Bazooka box with Mickey Mantle or one with Willie Mays

[62corvette]

How about 1960 Spic and Span Crandall reversed direction? I haven’t found anyone who has one, and never have seen one for sale.

[dstudeba]

Would love to see a scan of a 1954 Esskay Jehosie Heard

[frankhardy]

I recently bought a sealed 2002 Topps Factory Set (blue box). Mail has delivered and it is waiting on me when I get home. I am going to open it to see if the Pujols has been corrected. Please stand by..........

[ALR-bishop]

Are you sure you want to break the seal on it Shane. Sort of like driving that new car off the lot.

[frankhardy]

Risk vs reward. I already have sealed 2002 set (not blue). I got it on ebay for $44 so I figured it can't hurt.

[cardinalcollector]

Good luck Shane, I've never seen one and I searched for many years.

[frankhardy]

Well.....we are no closer to solving the Pujols corrected back mystery.

First of all, no corrected Pujols. Polanco is on the back.

Secondly.....as soon as I opened it up, I realized that even if the Pujols in this set HAD the corrected back, it still would not solve the mystery in my mind. The reason is because the "blue box" factory set is the "Home Team Advatage" (HTA) Set. I did not realize this until I started looking at the cards. In my opinion, this is a parallel set and not the true base set because it has the HTA gold stamp on each card.

Interestingly enough, I actually do not have this team set. My team set collection is missing a good portion of parallel Topps and oddball Topps sets from 1999 to 2005.

Rich, if you see this........this statement is not meant to confrontational at all. I know you said that you talked to a Topps representative. Is it possible that the representative was mistaken? Might he have been considering the Opening Day Set or the Chrome set to be the corrected version? My Chrome and Refractor versions DO have the corrected back. But I have never seen nor heard of a corrected back on a base card.

[mrmopar]

If you break the set up, keep me in mind for the Dodgers team set please.


Well.....we are no closer to solving the Pujols corrected back mystery.

First of all, no corrected Pujols. Polanco is on the back.

Secondly.....as soon as I opened it up, I realized that even if the Pujols in this set HAD the corrected back, it still would not solve the mystery in my mind. The reason is because the "blue box" factory set is the "Home Team Advatage" (HTA) Set. I did not realize this until I started looking at the cards. In my opinion, this is a parallel set and not the true base set because it has the HTA gold stamp on each card.

Interestingly enough, I actually do not have this team set. My team set collection is missing a good portion of parallel Topps and oddball Topps sets from 1999 to 2005.

Rich, if you see this........this statement is not meant to confrontational at all. I know you said that you talked to a Topps representative. Is it possible that the representative was mistaken? Might he have been considering the Opening Day Set or the Chrome set to be the corrected version? My Chrome and Refractor versions DO have the corrected back. But I have never seen nor heard of a corrected back on a base card.

[frankhardy]

If you break the set up, keep me in mind for the Dodgers team set please.

I very well may do that. I may keep the Cardinals and try to sell the rest.

[Rich Klein]

Well.....we are no closer to solving the Pujols corrected back mystery.

First of all, no corrected Pujols. Polanco is on the back.

Secondly.....as soon as I opened it up, I realized that even if the Pujols in this set HAD the corrected back, it still would not solve the mystery in my mind. The reason is because the "blue box" factory set is the "Home Team Advatage" (HTA) Set. I did not realize this until I started looking at the cards. In my opinion, this is a parallel set and not the true base set because it has the HTA gold stamp on each card.

Interestingly enough, I actually do not have this team set. My team set collection is missing a good portion of parallel Topps and oddball Topps sets from 1999 to 2005.

Rich, if you see this........this statement is not meant to confrontational at all. I know you said that you talked to a Topps representative. Is it possible that the representative was mistaken? Might he have been considering the Opening Day Set or the Chrome set to be the corrected version? My Chrome and Refractor versions DO have the corrected back. But I have never seen nor heard of a corrected back on a base card.

Shane: Actually one of my teammates spoke to Clay and he said the correct Pujols was 10 percent of the run and IIRC we ran a photo of the corrected Pujols card in the E and V column. That was more than 15 years ago though so memory does at times get slightly conflated but I remember that whole situation vividly.

[ALR-bishop]

There goes that confrontational Shane. Banning is the only remedy :)

[swarmee]

First of all, no corrected Pujols. Polanco is on the back.
PSA has graded 48 of the "corrected" cards. I have a hard time believing they got it wrong that many times.
https://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball-cards/2002/topps/49718

[frankhardy]

PSA has graded 48 of the "corrected" cards. I have a hard time believing they got it wrong that many times.
https://www.psacard.com/pop/baseball-cards/2002/topps/49718


It is my opinion that the "corrected" version on the pop report is actually all of the ones graded before the discovery. I am fairly sure of this because I actually sent one in to PSA early on and it did not say "corrected" or "Polanco back". I think after the discovery was made, they transferred all of the data from the cards graded before the discovery to the "corrected" back. Just a theory, but I really think that is what happened.

As for the 10% run.....you would certainly think that one would surface.

[ALR-bishop]

I have asked both here and on CU for some time for anyone who has one to post it. So far no one has. It was included in the last SCD Standard Catalog that included post 1980 listings which makes me think Lemke thought he saw one, or was told about it

[quitcrab]

How about a 1969 Rawling promo Reggie Jackson or Mickey Mantle?

[JollyElm]

It is my opinion that the "corrected" version on the pop report is actually all of the ones graded before the discovery. I am fairly sure of this because I actually sent one in to PSA early on and it did not say "corrected" or "Polanco back". I think after the discovery was made, they transferred all of the data from the cards graded before the discovery to the "corrected" back. Just a theory, but I really think that is what happened.

I know nothing about the Pujols card, but the scenario you put forward makes perfect sense in general. Case in point, there are so many 1962 'green tints' that reside in normal slabs, because they were graded before PSA started differentiating between the two variations.

[Bestdj777]

How about a 1969 Rawling promo Reggie Jackson or Mickey Mantle?

I've seen two Mantles. They were listed on eBay within a couple weeks of each other. A member picked up the first and tipped me off to the second. I could justify the $1,500 price tag, or whatever, without knowing for 100% certain it was real, which I couldn't as none have been graded.

[Bestdj777]

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=225105&d=1458596663

Mantle

[Bestdj777]

Link to the thread with the Reggie and Mantle:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=219905

[Exhibitman]

I learn new stuff all the time; thanks for the link to the Rawlings thread.

[insidethewrapper]

For me there are two Mays items that I've never seen. They also happen to be two of two of the remaining five that I need to complete the master set:

1958-1961 JAY PUBLISHING PHOTOS-TYPE 1 WILLIE MAYS PORTRAIT-POSE TO NECK
1968 AMERICAN OIL WILLIE MAYS LEFT SIDE-$10


Are these the Willie Mays photos you were looking for ? I found these on the internet listed as :1955 Jay Publishing New York Giants, ( same photo) listed as 1956 New York Giants, and the 3rd photo listed as 1958 Jay Publishing All Stars( listed as Mays, but that is not Mays ( photo error). Hope this helps, not sure if the listings I found are correct, any opinions ?

[jchcollins]

Because it isn't graded (or in a slab at all). I like the look of the PSA slabs for display purposes, so I scan a lot of cards and insert the front/back scans in a faux PSA slab. Pretty, isn't it? :)



That’s hilarious...


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[tedzan]

The 3rd photo is that of Bill White. One of the finest gentleman in Baseball.


TED Z

T206 Reference (http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
.

[ALR-bishop]

Speaking of White and whether certain cards exist, there used to be a hobby rumor that a version of his 59 card, a proof maybe, exists without the traded line

[HistoricNewspapers]

Has anyone ever seen an Alan Trammell 1979 Hostess unissued proof?

This set is listed in the Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards.

Here they are

591605

591606

Also Belanger and if you look at the numbered blank card it is a missing number from the Card Catalog checklist591608

[stkuhl]

My white whale is a 1997 Topps Chipper Jones Jumbo card. There are a million Walmart Chrome cards but in several years of looking I have not located a 'regular' issue Jumbo card.

[roarfrom34]

Has anyone ever seen an Alan Trammell 1979 Hostess unissued proof?

This set is listed in the Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards.

Recent post from the CU board:

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1096056/white-whale-find-1979-hostess-unissued-proof-cards-trammell-mccovey-ultra-rare-i-am-floored#latest

[deweyinthehall]

My white whale is a 1997 Topps Chipper Jones Jumbo card. There are a million Walmart Chrome cards but in several years of looking I have not located a 'regular' issue Jumbo card.

You mean this? I got mine a few years ago when putting together a '97 master set - I don't recall it being hard to find, but I may have forgotten.

I wish I had another one - I'd send it to you.

[deweyinthehall]

No idea why it consistently comes out upside down - tried a few times to correct it.

[JollyElm]

Here ya go...

591841

[deweyinthehall]

Thanks - but I can't see it. Actually, the last couple posts you've made with images I can't see either....weird. I'm signed in and everything, and no other images by other posters seem to be affected.

[JollyElm]

Thanks - but I can't see it. Actually, the last couple posts you've made with images I can't see either....weird. I'm signed in and everything, and no other images by other posters seem to be affected.

It's weird that your software hates me, and me alone. (You're missing some really great stuff!) :D

[stkuhl]

Hunting the White Whale is what makes it fun. Good to know that a 97 Chipper Jumbo is out there. Thanks for the confirmation.

[bnorth]

It's weird that your software hates me, and me alone. (You're missing some really great stuff!) :D

It isn't just you.:) I can click on your broken pictures and then open them in a new page after having to sign in again. Some people I have never seen a single picture they have ever posted. Weirdly for me it changes by the device I am on and it has always been that way for me.

EDIT: To add, nice videos and cards Darren.

[deweyinthehall]

It isn't just you.:) I can click on your broken pictures and then open them in a new page after having to sign in again. Some people I have never seen a single picture they have ever posted. Weirdly for me it changes by the device I am on and it has always been that way for me.

EDIT: To add, nice videos and cards Darren.

Just tried it - this works for me too!