Top 10 Personally Collected Players who retired before WW2

[joshuanip]

Curious who others are collecting. And need help on if my list looks right and who are the last 2.

1) Babe Ruth
2) Ty Cobb (although I don’t have one)
3) Lou Gehrig
4) Walter Johnson
5) Christy Mathewson
6) Honus Wagner
7) Cy Young
8) Tris speaker (also working on getting one)
9) ?
10) ?

Of course I would add Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio but they played after WW2

[clydepepper]

I would add Jimmie Foxx and Hank Greenberg - or, if you prefer pitchers Grover Alexander and Lefty Grove.

Feller, Ted and DiMag all started before the war.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Lajoie and Chase.

[esd10]

Rogers Hornsby

[TUM301]

Joe Jackson would be on my list. Curious to see if the 100 year anniversary of the 1919 Series generates any added interest towards Joe or "Black Sox" related material in general. Interesting thread...............

[njdunkin1]

Lajoie and Joe Jackson for certain.

[oldjudge]

I would drop Speaker and add Hornsby, Lajoie and Jackson

[Sean]

Definitely Joe Jackson.

[joshuanip]

Thanks. I’m gonna go with Lajoie Foxx and Hornsby.

I cant collect Joe. It’s a personal choice.

[oldjudge]

Great choices--good luck!

[rgpete]

Eddie Collins

[ullmandds]

Gotta have dots miller on that list!!! No 19th centurians??

[guy3050]

Rogers Hornsby and Cap Anson

[joshuanip]

Gotta have dots miller on that list!!! No 19th centurians??

Why Dots?

[ullmandds]

Next to babe, walter, ty and lou...Dots is my main man!!

[joshuanip]

Wow. Some nice backs. For what it’s worth I looked him up and he was actually a good soccer player too. Really cool!

[z28jd]

Gotta have dots miller on that list!!! No 19th centurians??

Yeah, how could a list not have Dots Miller!

[ullmandds]

Now this thread is on track

[oldjudge]

If someone collected Dasher Troy's cards you guys could do Morse Code.

[AddieJoss]

Addie Joss

[clydepepper]

I change my additions to Alexander and Hornsby.

Can't believe the Rajah slipped my mind!

[Yoda]

George Sisler.

[SteveMitchell]

Alexander (better than Matty due to team support and same number of victories) and Hornsby (best righthanded batter of all-time). Those would be my two picks. Steve

[T206Collector]

Lajoie and Grove

[commishbob]

I read a bio of Chief Bender. Interesting life for sure. I became interested in collecting his cards.

[Fred]

Joe Jackson and ?

Larry Corcoran? :p

What about some pitchers.....

Grover Cleveland Alexander

[Dewey]

Not sure Sisler or Rajah get the love they deserve.

[glchen]

My list would be: (popular cards in parens, I don't own them)

1) Babe Ruth (M101-5, 33 Goudey, 1921 E121)
2) Ty Cobb (CJ, T206, Rose, T3, W600, T227, D304, Dietsche Fielding)
3) Honus Wagner (T206, W600, E107, Rose, Tip Top Bread)
4) Lou Gehrig (1925 Exhibits, 1934 Goudey)
5) Joe Jackson (E90-1, CJ, T210)
6) Christy Mathewson (E107, 1914 CJ, W600, T206, Rose)
7) Cy Young (E107, E90-1, T206)
8) Walter Johnson (T204 Ramly, Rose, T206, CJ)
9) Cap Anson (N162, N173, N28, N300)
10) Eddie Plank (E107, T206, W600, T204 Ramly)

[Huysmans]

It's definitely Cap and Nap for me.

[ccre]

I agree. Anson and Lajoie.

[DeafSports]

William "Dummy" Hoy

[rats60]

Curious who others are collecting. And need help on if my list looks right and who are the last 2.

1) Babe Ruth
2) Ty Cobb (although I don’t have one)
3) Lou Gehrig
4) Walter Johnson
5) Christy Mathewson
6) Honus Wagner
7) Cy Young
8) Tris speaker (also working on getting one)
9) ?
10) ?

Of course I would add Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio but they played after WW2

I would drop Speaker and add Shoeless Joe Jackson, Eddie Plank and Napoleon Lajoie.

[tiger8mush]

How about the same list, but non-HOF?
Dots
Hoy
Chase
Merkle
Phillippe
Gandil (black sox in general)
Donlin/Steinfeldt/Magee/Wiltse?

[sterlingfox]

HOF
1) Babe Ruth
2) Lou Gehrig
3) Ty Cobb
4) Napoleon LaJoie
5) Walter Johnson
6) Christy Mathewson
7) Cy Young
8) Honus Wagner
9) Rogers Hornsby
10) Eddie Plank

Non HOF
1) Shoeless Joe Jackson
2) Ed Cicotte
3) Moe Berg
4) Buck Weaver
5) Bill Dahlen
6) Hap Felsch
7) Ray Chapman
8) Smoky Joe Wood
9) Chick Gandil
10) Hal Chase

[Big Six]

Hal Chase needs to be on this list...


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[vintagetoppsguy]

Hal Chase needs to be on this list...

Exactly. I can't believe all the votes for Jackson. I think many misread the original question. It's not a "Who's the Best Player" thread, it's a "Which Player is the Most Collected" thread. And I would bet that Chase is way more collected than Jackson.

[joshuanip]

There was an interview Ruth did about who he pitched and who he thought was easy and hard. He said Ty Cobb was easy to pitch to, even though he called him the greatest hitter he ever pitched to. But he said Joe Jackson was really hard to pitch to and Joe would always hit well against him.

That said, still can't collect Shoeless.

[rats60]

Exactly. I can't believe all the votes for Jackson. I think many misread the original question. It's not a "Who's the Best Player" thread, it's a "Which Player is the Most Collected" thread. And I would bet that Chase is way more collected than Jackson.

If Jackson isn't so collected, why are his cards so expensive? Ever since I started collecting prewar cards in the early 80s, he has been a top 5 in demand (Ruth, Wagner, Cobb, Gehrig and Jackson). Chase? I wouldn't even put him in the top 25. Pretty much every Hofer is in more demand than him.

[vintagetoppsguy]

If Jackson isn't so collected, why are his cards so expensive? Ever since I started collecting prewar cards in the early 80s, he has been a top 5 in demand (Ruth, Wagner, Cobb, Gehrig and Jackson). Chase? I wouldn't even put him in the top 25. Pretty much every Hofer is in more demand than him.

How about posting some scans of your Jackson's?

[glchen]

How about posting some scans of your Jackson's?

I interpret the question as whose cards for which players are on most collectors want lists? I don't have any Joe Jax either because they are very expensive. However, I would much rather have a Jackson card than a Chase card if both of them were the same price.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I interpret the question as whose cards for which players are on most collectors want lists? I don't have any Joe Jax either because they are very expensive. However, I would much rather have a Jackson card than a Chase card if both of them were the same price.

Then I believe you interpreted it incorrectly. The OPs question wasn't, "Which players card(s) do you most desire?" but "Curious who others are collecting?".

I agree with you that Jackson's cards are very expensive and I don't own one either. But that's why I said Chase was more collected...simply for price point alone.

[calvindog]

I interpret the question as whose cards for which players are on most collectors want lists? I don't have any Joe Jax either because they are very expensive. However, I would much rather have a Jackson card than a Chase card if both of them were the same price.

Agree on this. Jackson is a top collected card as is Cobb, Ruth, Mathewson, Gehrig. I think Chase is on par with Johnson and ahead of Speaker and Hornsby for sure. Remember, there are 5 Chase cards in the T206 set. That's more than Cobb or any other player.

[calvindog]

Then I believe you interpreted it incorrectly. The OPs question wasn't, "Which players card(s) do you most desire?" but "Curious who others are collecting?".

I agree with you that Jackson's cards are very expensive and I don't own one either. But that's why I said Chase was more collected...simply for price point alone.

And I agree with this too.

[joshuanip]

I would collect Jackson. But if I’m holding my cards for my son, what players would I want him to have. That is if I don’t die and my wife sells them “above” my back... haha.

[Big Six]

I think the point is being missed here...there have to be more folks collecting Chase than Jackson for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with who was the better player (for the record, Jackson is the better player). Who can reasonably collect Jackson? Career contemporary cards of Jackson are a fraction of what is available for Chase. Those that are available are expensive to a fault as well as considerably more rare than Chase...or just about anyone else up for consideration in this topic. Chase has every bit as interesting story as Jackson, is also someone who has HOF credentials, was as popular as any of his peers and, I would argue, he would be an even greater cult player if he had a movie made about him like Jackson did. How many folks here collect Jackson? How many Chase? One Jackson in your collection doesn’t make it a player collection. I have 21 different Chase cards in my collection and it likely ranks as one of the weakest Chase collections on this board. Chase makes the top 10 in my mind...


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[ullmandds]

a lot of people collect donlin too!!!

[ullmandds]

[QUOTE=Big Six;1749271]I think the point is being missed here...there have to be more folks collecting Chase than Jackson for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with who was the better player (for the record, Jackson is the better player). Who can reasonably collect Jackson? Career contemporary cards of Jackson are a fraction of what is available for Chase. Those that are available are expensive to a fault as well as considerably more rare than Chase...or just about anyone else up for consideration in this topic. Chase has every bit as interesting story as Jackson, is also someone who has HOF credentials, was as popular as any of his peers and, I would argue, he would be an even greater cult player if he had a movie made about him like Jackson did. How many folks here collect Jackson? How many Chase? One Jackson in your collection doesn’t make it a player collection. I have 21 different Chase cards in my collection and it likely ranks as one of the weakest Chase collections on this board. Chase makes the top 10 in my mind...

Good points...I agree! I don't think I own any chases????

[Big Six]

[QUOTE=Big Six;1749271]I think the point is being missed here...there have to be more folks collecting Chase than Jackson for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with who was the better player (for the record, Jackson is the better player). Who can reasonably collect Jackson? Career contemporary cards of Jackson are a fraction of what is available for Chase. Those that are available are expensive to a fault as well as considerably more rare than Chase...or just about anyone else up for consideration in this topic. Chase has every bit as interesting story as Jackson, is also someone who has HOF credentials, was as popular as any of his peers and, I would argue, he would be an even greater cult player if he had a movie made about him like Jackson did. How many folks here collect Jackson? How many Chase? One Jackson in your collection doesn’t make it a player collection. I have 21 different Chase cards in my collection and it likely ranks as one of the weakest Chase collections on this board. Chase makes the top 10 in my mind...



Good points...I agree! I don't think I own any chases????



They are readily available on eBay, the BST...buy a couple and you can join in on the fun, too! ;)


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[BearBailey]

Hornsby and Foxx.

[MR RAREBACK]

Lajoie and hornsby

[darwinbulldog]

1. Whitey Glazner
2. Hal Chase
3. George Stovall

I look for Ruth, Hornsby, Collins, and Johnson more than for any other HOFers, but I've never accumulated very many cards of any of them since I pretty much always prefer the rare card of a common player to the common card of a great player given that the cost is the same.

[joshuanip]

How about a rare card of a great player. The funny thing is there are many cards of great players that are rare and not nearly as expensive as their most popular cards with a much larger pop

[darwinbulldog]

That would be better, but most of my favorite cards have a population of 1.

[KMayUSA6060]

OP: Does the question refer to quantity or quality?

To be more specific, are you asking who people collect multiple copies of on a regular basis, or who people target the most, picking up cards when they can (either due to scarcity or affordability, etc.)?

[Leon]

Curious who others are collecting. And need help on if my list looks right and who are the last 2.

1) Babe Ruth
2) Ty Cobb (although I don’t have one)
3) Lou Gehrig
4) Walter Johnson
5) Christy Mathewson
6) Honus Wagner
7) Cy Young
8) Tris speaker (also working on getting one)
9) ?
10) ?

Of course I would add Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio but they played after WW2

As to who to add to the list, some good players already mentioned, I can't think of any better.

As for the question of "who others are collecting"
I like/collect Ruth, Cobb, Young and rare type cards :), only not to the extent as before. Eventually I will end up with a really nice Ruth Goudey #144 (have sold a few really nice ones but want one a little better) but probably not an 8, my pocketbook is more 5-6 range. Will upgrade my T205 Cobby from the nice 4.5 I have. And I have the E90-1 Young spot filled. From the population of graded ones it is fine
My 3 faves....maybe in that order. :)

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[Bpm0014]

Joe Jackson and Hal Chase

[realbigfatdog]

Joe Jackson and Hal ChaseHey there! I also collect Chase. If you have anything you'd like to sell/trade, let me know! Nice to see another collector of Prince Hal.

Mike

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[esd10]

Jake daubert ,heinie groh, Miller huggins

[bbcard1]

Though he doesn't have a ton of cards Jim Thorpe cards are popular.

[luciobar1980]

I can only summon a Top 3, but..

Cobb
Foxx
Collins

[itjclarke]

1) Cobb
2) Mathewson
3) Ruth
4) Wagner
5) Gehrig
6) Johnson
7) Young
8) Alexander
9) Hornsby
10) Speaker

[btcarfagno]

I kind of think that Mathewson isn't as collected as these lists suggest. His "name" is right up there but it seems to me that his card values seem to run lower than those of WaJo and Cy Young...which has always seemed odd to me given his place in the game and popular culture during his career.

[itjclarke]

I kind of think that Mathewson isn't as collected as these lists suggest. His "name" is right up there but it seems to me that his card values seem to run lower than those of WaJo and Cy Young...which has always seemed odd to me given his place in the game and popular culture during his career.

Matty might actually be my number #1 most collected player. I’ve got more (34) than Cobbs (25), but per your comment, his cards are a just a bit lower price than WaJo, Young. He’s almost in his own little pricing tier, above guys like Speaker, Lajoie, Collins, but well beneath Cobb, Wagner, Joe Jax.

[btcarfagno]

Matty might actually be my number #1 most collected player. I’ve got more (34) than Cobbs (25), but per your comment, his cards are a just a bit lower price than WaJo, Young. He’s almost in his own little pricing tier, above guys like Speaker, Lajoie, Collins, but well beneath Cobb, Wagner, Joe Jax.

Indeed. Just in his own era he would rank 6th I would say. That wouldn't include Ruth or Gehrig or Anson or Kelly or Delahanty.

I would say Matty is borderline top 10 for most collected pre-WW2 players. Which to me doesn't really do him or his stature enough justice. I doon't know if it has to do with his SABRmetric stats, but if it did, GC Alexander would be more collected and he is not. So I'm not quite sure what the deal is with Matty.

[itjclarke]

Indeed. Just in his own era he would rank 6th I would say. That wouldn't include Ruth or Gehrig or Anson or Kelly or Delahanty.

I would say Matty is borderline top 10 for most collected pre-WW2 players. Which to me doesn't really do him or his stature enough justice. I doon't know if it has to do with his SABRmetric stats, but if it did, GC Alexander would be more collected and he is not. So I'm not quite sure what the deal is with Matty.

Agree, it doesn’t do him justice, and seems odd. He’s got a lot going for him— played the bulk of his career in NY as the highest profile pitcher of the era, WS hero, perfect image/reputation, and the absolute perfect look. Maybe it’s partly influenced by the fact that the Giants moved to SF? As an SF Giants fan, I’ve always collected the old NYGs, but perhaps others do not? NY collectors have the Yankees, and then of the teams that moved, I’ve gotta think the Dodgers are more collected than the Giants. I feel Philadelphia A’s like Collins, Grove, Foxx, Cochrane, Simmons also get short changed, perhaps in part because there is no longer any real direct tie with that team.

That said, as a Matty collector, I like that he has so many nice looking and attainable cards. No way I’d have as many as I do if they were in a higher price tier, or if he were included in fewer mainstream sets like Alexander.

[realbigfatdog]

Hal Chase

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