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darwinbulldog
01-30-2018, 01:34 PM
I was looking at this, which Heritage identifies as Chadwick ca. 1890: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-collectibles/photos/circa-1890-henry-chadwick-oversized-period-photograph/a/7200-81767.s

And this 1865 piece, in which it is indicated that most believe the unidentified man on the right is Chadwick: http://loveofthegameauctions.com/ItemImages/000005/5893a_lg.jpeg

Something doesn't add up here. Either the photo date is off, by many years, or the artist who created the woodcut was trying to depict Chadwick as he would look in the future rather than as he looked on an image that already existed by 1865, or Chadwick didn't age noticeably between 1865 and 1890, or my own visual perception of age is abysmal, or that just isn't Chadwick on the woodcut. Or, of course, some combination of the above.

Opinions?

Chadwick was born in 1824.

Does anybody know who first suggested that it was Chadwick on the woodcut with Jim Creighton? That seems to be mentioned in the write-up every time one of them comes up for auction, but I'd like to know who first suggested it and on what basis.

And if it isn't Henry Chadwick, then who is it?

oldjudge
01-30-2018, 02:12 PM
Here is an 1866 cabinet which features an image of Chadwick in the front row. I think the Woodcut is accurate. I think the Heritage identification might need some explanation. Perhaps Mark Fimoff could opine.

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2011/spring/1184/1866-washington-brooklyn-team-cabinet-photo-henry-chadwick/

packs
01-30-2018, 02:22 PM
Could the cabinet photo be a later print of an earlier photograph? If not, he looks pretty good for being close to 70.

oldjudge
01-30-2018, 02:34 PM
Here is an image of Chadwick from 1873. This image comes from the book “The Father of Baseball-A Biography of Henry Chadwick”. It was originally sourced from the HOF. The man in this image appears younger than the 1890 Heritage image. It pays to do your homework.

bgar3
01-30-2018, 02:36 PM
While I can’t give an expert opinion on the image you question, I do believe it is meant to depict Chadwick. Like you, I have always heard it was Chadwick, it does look like him to me, and, importantly, the papers inscribed below his image were the one he worked for reporting on Base Ball.
As for other Chadwick images and dates , I can provide some information.
In general, dates for Chadwick images are estimates, very few exist that have dates the image was taken. (Ones I have seen with dates taken are those from Spalding guides, with Pearsall as the photographer. Pearsall is said to have taken Chadwick’s photo for many years on Chadwick’s birthday.)
That said, the image you use as a reference was taken no later than January 17, 1880 since it was used as the basis for a woodcut which appeared in the New York Clipper on that date. I also have a cabinet size photo of this image with an 1886 inscription. I have also attached an earlier and later image for your comparison. The oval image has been described as circa 1868 and I think that is fairly close. The white border cabinet is by Pearsall and I think is circa 1895 or so. (It was used in a 1924 Baseball magazine article.)
Someone who has a run of Spalding guides could check the for images and dates. Hope this helps.

bgar3
01-30-2018, 02:39 PM
Sorry, photos did not load, will keep trying. The Heritage photo at 1890 is 10 years later than it actually is.

h2oya311
01-30-2018, 02:39 PM
No question that the one in the Heritage photo is Chadwick. Below is a woodcut from an 1880 NY Clipper (identifying Chadwick). It's the same photo as the one shown in the Heritage auction.

https://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/personal/websize/1880%20Chadwick.jpg

bgar3
01-30-2018, 02:42 PM
Thanks Derek, I was trying to post that. This is the Clipper image I referred to.

bgar3
01-30-2018, 02:45 PM
Here are the other images I referred to.