So what's the vintage card for 2018? [Archive]

ullmandds

01-26-2018, 07:00 PM

Other cards experienced similar increases as Jackie...like early Cobbs esp postcards but even caramels to a lesser degree, t206 green..some ruth cards...e121 has dramatically increased last year or so, anything ruth/red sox.

2018...who knows...but I think anything with a rare back and a big hofer on the front is a good bet!

Dietsche Cobb fielding should be a 20K card in nice shape.

ullmandds

01-26-2018, 07:00 PM

T202 Cobb sliding cobb Jennings

that card deserves more...but they are fairly common.

glchen

01-26-2018, 07:12 PM

T206 Red Cobb

Bigdaddy

01-26-2018, 07:37 PM

Not pre-war, but 1952 and/or 1953 Topps Willie Mays.

MVSNYC

01-26-2018, 07:43 PM

T206...

Uzit
Brown Hindu
Cobb Bat Off
Matty
WaJo
Lajoie
Mordecai Brown

darwinbulldog

01-26-2018, 08:01 PM

Oxford Confectionery Burleigh Grimes. Mark my words.

Sean

01-26-2018, 08:17 PM

1914 Cracker Jack Mathewson.

Joshwesley

01-26-2018, 08:51 PM

As we gear up for 2019 (later on this year)
Look for joe Jackson stuff to start soaring.

Cracker Jack, strip card etc

griffon512

01-26-2018, 09:01 PM

hard to pick one out of those below. along with being rookie year cards with nice images, the pops on all of these cards (i include over-sized pieces as cards) are relatively low.

j. dimaggio: 1936 R312 is his nicest rookie year card in my opinion.

j. robinson: 1947 homogenized bond bread - this is different from 1947 portrait facsimile bond bread that skyrocketed in value last year; 1947 (incorrectly labeled as 1948 by grading cos.) old gold cigarettes kneeling in dugout

t. williams: 1939 goudey premiums

outside of these i think there is a lot of upside in good eye appeal e90-1 cy young cards. iconic player and gorgeous card. leon, if you read this, it's a good invitation to show your prized possession for some eye candy.

BeanTown

01-26-2018, 09:03 PM

We have seen Ty Cobb Postcards soar up in value. Plus, Type one photos have had a nice uptick too.

So, Ill go with Ty Cobb Cabinets.

iwantitiwinit

01-27-2018, 06:37 AM

T206 Johnson portrait

MattyC

01-27-2018, 07:12 AM

As we gear up for 2019 (later on this year)
Look for joe Jackson stuff to start soaring.

Cracker Jack, strip card etc

Was kind of hoping no one would post this ;)

Yup. Shoeless Joe cards.

luciobar1980

01-28-2018, 08:33 PM

T206 Red Cobb

This.

familytoad

01-29-2018, 12:14 AM

It’s time for the hobby to embrace the Gold Borders with more veracity.

I’m thinking that the true SP’s as well as higher grade examples (6-7+) will skyrocket.

1952boyntoncollector

01-29-2018, 06:06 AM

I think a thread saying 'hottest future card in the hobby that the poster does not own' would be more useful

Peter_Spaeth

01-29-2018, 06:38 AM

I think a thread saying 'hottest future card in the hobby that the poster does not own' would be more useful

lol

ronniehatesjazz

01-29-2018, 09:43 AM

I think a thread saying 'hottest future card in the hobby that the poster does not own' would be more useful

I think this is a good rule to follow. Therefore, my vote will go to the 1957 Topps Frank Robinson rookie in mid to high grade. Should be selling for double of what they are IMO, even though they are very plentiful.

In pre-war I think a lot of Goudey cards are underappreciated right now. Could see any of the Gehrig's, Foxx's, or Hornsby's going up big time. For tobacco cards, I think a lot of Matty cards are cheap (though I own a lot of them so I won't mention any specifically lol).

brianp-beme

01-29-2018, 10:55 AM

These cards.

Brian

Aquarian Sports Cards

01-29-2018, 11:13 AM

1914 Cracker Jack Mathewson.

Who is Jack Mathewson and what is the 1914 Cracker Set?

;)

iowadoc77

01-29-2018, 11:32 AM

Who is Jack Mathewson and what is the 1914 Cracker Set?

;)

It has REALLY REALLY white borders...:D

MattyC

01-29-2018, 11:47 AM

Well played.

BobC

01-30-2018, 02:29 PM

Oxford Confectionery Burleigh Grimes. Mark my words.

Okay, I'll bite.......why this particular card?

darwinbulldog

01-30-2018, 02:44 PM

Okay, I'll bite.......why this particular card?

It was meant to be a joke actually, but as I'm now explaining that, apparently not a very good one.

brianp-beme

01-30-2018, 02:53 PM

It was meant to be a joke actually, but as I'm now explaining that, apparently not a very good one.

Dang, I thought my post with the W9316 cards was the only joke answer. Now I will have to stew quietly in the corner, with the only sounds being the cracking of my knuckles.

Brian

BobC

01-30-2018, 02:53 PM

It was meant to be a joke actually, but as I'm now explaining that, apparently not a very good one.

I figured it was a joke but, you never know. Thought you might know something the rest of us didn't! :)

darwinbulldog

01-30-2018, 02:59 PM

I figured it was a joke but, you never know. Thought you might know something the rest of us didn't! :)

I might, but I'm not giving out those answers for free, just the fake ones.

jbsports33

01-30-2018, 03:00 PM

Most likely something from the 1920s - some great sets out there not as well known - strip cards, candy and odd ball types

Jimmy

packs

01-30-2018, 03:13 PM

I don't think it's any one card, but a kind of card. I think this year we'll see a serious spike in prices for cards with eye appeal. I could see people beginning to wise up on OJ's and paying strong for cards with back damage but vibrant images and I can see the average price of a card in poor or fair condition with eye appeal approaching mid-grade value under the right conditions.

insidethewrapper

01-30-2018, 03:20 PM

1907 Dietsche Postcard Ty cobb Fielding. Only 8 graded by PSA and 7 by SGC.

MR RAREBACK

01-30-2018, 03:35 PM

I think t206 green cobbs are going to go down, everyone should sell them to me before it happens

Touch'EmAll

01-30-2018, 03:53 PM

It would be nice to see the other major T206 HOF'ers make significant move up. I know they have gone up, but not quite like the Cobb's.

BeanTown

01-30-2018, 03:54 PM

Ok, so after reading this thread its TY COBB

ullmandds

01-30-2018, 04:04 PM

Ok, so after reading this thread its TY COBB

yes...its ty cobb!!!!!!1

darwinbulldog

01-30-2018, 04:44 PM

Quick, somebody start a thread on the Ty Cobb bubble.

pokerplyr80

01-30-2018, 07:20 PM

I'd have to agree Joe Jackson seems like a good guess. I like a few of the post war RCs if youre looking for a value at current prices.

MattyC

01-31-2018, 11:01 AM

I'd have to agree Joe Jackson seems like a good guess.

The 1914 CJ SGC 1.5 on eBay right now certainly is a good way for Shoeless Joe to start the year.

orly57

01-31-2018, 11:13 AM

I don't own them anymore, so this is impartial. I think the beautiful, early Ruth Exhibits have so much room to grow. So criminally undervalued. I think they are among his most attractive cards, and are far more rare and early than the Goudeys.

ullmandds

01-31-2018, 11:16 AM

orly57

01-31-2018, 01:30 PM

i agree...too bad oversized cards are a no-go for many collectors!

With the surge of the Gehrig Exhibit and the rare postcards, I think that's changing. Cobb PCs are certainly booming (so much for impartiality). So I think it should follow that the Ruth's, though not nearly as rare as the more valuable Cobbs, should get the attention they deserve.

Yoda

01-31-2018, 02:16 PM

I think that '15 Cracker Jack Hof'ers are due to close the price gap with the '14's in 2018. For sure, there are the '15 factory sets which skew population reports plus scads of nrmt cards that have emerged over the years. Add in the fact they are arguably the most beautiful cards ever produced, people want them in the best condition possible and to hell with the history. And I think the '15 CJ's of Matty and Hal Chase are just plain gorgeous.

ullmandds

01-31-2018, 05:03 PM

With the surge of the Gehrig Exhibit and the rare postcards, I think that's changing. Cobb PCs are certainly booming (so much for impartiality). So I think it should follow that the Ruth's, though not nearly as rare as the more valuable Cobbs, should get the attention they deserve.

You may be right! Early Ruth exhibits could be had for less than 1K for most in nice shape maybe 2 years ago...now they'3-4 times more...these definitely have room to run. And I totally agree they are much rarer and imo desirable as compared to goudeys...most other ruth cards are to me!

And most cobb pc's are technically rookies so that kinda helps the valuations as compared to ruth. has an m101-3 appreciated much lately?

rainier2004

01-31-2018, 05:29 PM

You may be right! Early Ruth exhibits could be had for less than 1K for most in nice shape maybe 2 years ago...now they'3-4 times more...these definitely have room to run. And I totally agree they are much rarer and imo desirable as compared to goudeys...most other ruth cards are to me!

And most cobb pc's are technically rookies so that kinda helps the valuations as compared to ruth. has an m101-3 appreciated much lately?

There's only one rookie Cobb...w601 PC IMO. Maybe the hobby will wake up to this card?

ullmandds

01-31-2018, 06:12 PM

There's only one rookie Cobb...w601 PC IMO. Maybe the hobby will wake up to this card?

and some think postcards are too big!!!!!!:)

LincolnVT

01-31-2018, 06:25 PM

My guess would be something rare Ruth...Fredrick Foto, 1921 E121 variations, Boston Store, Collins McCarthy...his rare early postcards. M101 should continue to be hot. Ruth Red Sox related type 1 photos as well. Anything early Ruth with a pop less than 25.

I also see rare Jackie Robinson and high grade Robinson rookie stuff as a sure thing.

Well, I guess that wasn't just one card now was it...��

pokerplyr80

02-01-2018, 01:17 AM

The 1914 CJ SGC 1.5 on eBay right now certainly is a good way for Shoeless Joe to start the year.

Just saw it. It's a shame I didn't pick one up when I first started looking. Great looking card for the grade.

glchen

02-02-2018, 11:10 AM

The post-war card looks like the Tom Brady RC: Link (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22299163/tom-brady-rookie-card-sells-250000-ebay)

iowadoc77

02-02-2018, 02:15 PM

The post-war card looks like the Tom Brady RC: Link (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22299163/tom-brady-rookie-card-sells-250000-ebay)

This. Ridiculous prices. I don’t think I have ever seen a card rise in value this fast.

Peter_Spaeth

02-02-2018, 02:32 PM

Is it worth 2x in a 9.5?

3-2-count

02-02-2018, 05:06 PM

Is it worth 2x in a 9.5?

If it were accompanied by one of these it would be!

http://photos.imageevent.com/threetwocount/threetwocount/pwcc.jpg

Leon

02-08-2018, 06:55 PM

Well, not cards per se', but I think Jefferson Burdick handwritten letters will be the next big thing. That and postcards and RPPC's will still climb a little. No real reason why. :cool:

maximus35

02-10-2018, 06:54 AM

Quick, somebody start a thread on the Ty Cobb bubble.

Lmfao, you just gave me a good laugh to start my day.

DeanH3

02-10-2018, 03:27 PM

M116 Wagner pastel might have some legs. The 4 in Huggins went for a decent price.

MattyC

02-11-2018, 09:03 AM

Just noticed that pretty SGC 1.5 Shoeless CJ that was on eBay outsold the last PSA 2. Pretty card. Congrats to the winner. In some work procrastination surfing this morning, I saw that I somehow I missed a stunning "2" in Heritage last year that went for 45k. What a looker that one was as well.

Snapolit1

02-11-2018, 09:05 AM

ccre

02-11-2018, 09:13 AM

Buck Ewing Old Judges ... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=250157 :D

MattyC

02-11-2018, 09:20 AM

That Shoeless Joe CJ is a real hot shit card. Not to drop unnecessarily esoteric jargon.

There are definitely some cards in our hobby that just have an "it" factor. It's like you look at them for the first time and just know they'd be a collection cornerstone. I remember making my first steps into the PreWar space, and that Shoeless card, along with the CJ Cobb, really commanded attention. The D304 Cobb was another. Obviously the Goudey Ruths and the blue '33 Gehrig Goudey come to mind as well, among some others.

Basically, there are some cards we own that when another cool card comes up, we're okay with selling to grab the new one. Then there are those cards that we just know we can't ever sell, because we'd eventually want to get another example into the collection. Those are the cards that a collector has to always have a copy of, or it's as if the collection is incomplete.

orly57

02-11-2018, 09:32 AM

Exhibitman

02-11-2018, 09:35 AM

Gonna be an Exhibit card because...

My long-planned book on Exhibit sports issues will be out before the National. I've already written the chapters on boxing, PC back baseball and champions sets.

Touch'EmAll

02-11-2018, 10:19 AM

Not suggesting they take off to the moon, but there has to be some goodly headroom with Colgan's Chips (Cobb & Wagner) and Domino Discs (Johnson, Matty, Cobb). These seem to have been relatively stagnant last chunk of years. Or do big time collectors don't really care for these issues and they will forever more be cast-offs.

MattyC

02-11-2018, 10:29 AM

Yeah Matty, your 14 cj JJ suggestion got me thinking about the Mount Rushmore of baseball cards. I'm sure it's been done on n54 before. And as I recall, Joe Orlando put together a Mount Rushmore of: t206 Wagner, 1952 Mantle, 1915 Ruth, and the Hank Aaron rookie. I think the CJ JJ has a strong claim for the spot given to the Hank rookie.

I agree. In general I look to the cards that command a tidy sum even in the very lowest conditions; it just speaks to their significance and intrinsic value.

Exhibitman

02-12-2018, 12:58 PM

Colgan's are cool

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/E254%20Wagner%201.jpg

hangman62

02-12-2018, 01:42 PM

Neal

02-12-2018, 01:59 PM

a clean T205 Johnson

packs

02-12-2018, 03:03 PM

Yes, I can answer that

the 2018 Topps Heritage vintage cards are going to look like the 1969 design

This concept is getting so stale...these " vintage throwback classics are now looked at as " not very vintage or old or throwback at all...most collectors decided way back when, that any vintage old cards made in the late 60s..are considered " too new " to even collect. many don't even collect 50s anymore

I couldn't disagree more. When I started collecting cards I was 10 years old and began collecting cards of recognizable HOFers like Mays and Mantle. The first batches of cards I bought were 60s stars and HOFers. Then I progressed to pre-war. I would think the evolution is similar for others too. Getting a kid interested in old Topps sets is the only way to further vintage interest. I don't think any 10 year kid is going to tell you cards that look like older sets they've never seen are stale.

Neal

02-12-2018, 06:22 PM

I couldn't disagree more. When I started collecting cards I was 10 years old and began collecting cards of recognizable HOFers like Mays and Mantle. The first batches of cards I bought were 60s stars and HOFers. Then I progressed to pre-war. I would think the evolution is similar for others too. Getting a kid interested in old Topps sets is the only way to further vintage interest. I don't think any 10 year kid is going to tell you cards that look like older sets they've never seen are stale.

agreed

Plus, anyone who has a substantial collection better hope and pray that kids are still collecting .... we need a replacement base, and it appears it ain't happening

ronniehatesjazz

02-12-2018, 08:03 PM

agreed

Plus, anyone who has a substantial collection better hope and pray that kids are still collecting .... we need a replacement base, and it appears it ain't happening

I can thankfully say I believe you’re wrong on this Neal. I’m 32 and amazed at how people in the 25-35 year old range are getting back into it. There seems to be a common theme I’ve noticed. Kids who collected in the late 80’s through early 00’s first get lured back in with high end boxes and breaks (tribute, museum, et cetera), then start buying the vintage cards they wanted as kids but could never afford. It’s never going to be like the 80’s again with virtually every boy in the country ripping packs of 88 donruss and fleer but I actually think the demand for vintage and high end modern items is going to greatly surpass everyone’s expectations (or should I say hopes?) over the long term. Many reasons for this but I think people only focus on schoolboys ripping packs for an indication of the hobby’s future.

As for cards of the year, again the Frank Robinson rookie as well as early Jackie and Willie cards. Amazingly undervalued IMO.

Neal

02-12-2018, 08:08 PM

I can thankfully say I believe you’re wrong on this Neal. I’m 32 and amazed at how people in the 25-35 year old range are getting back into it. There seems to be a common theme I’ve noticed. Kids who collected in the late 80’s through early 00’s first get lured back in with high end boxes and breaks (tribute, museum, et cetera), then start buying the vintage cards they wanted as kids but could never afford. It’s never going to be like the 80’s again with virtually every boy in the country ripping packs of 88 donruss and fleer but I actually think the demand for vintage and high end modern items is going to greatly surpass everyone’s expectations (or should I say hopes?).

As for cards of the year, again the Frank Robinson rookie as well as early Jackie and Willie cards. Amazingly undervalued IMO.

I would hardly call a 25-35 year old that is getting back into the hobby a kid ... that is the age that I got back into the hobby, probably like many of us.
I'm talking about 8-12 year olds, which is how old we were when we started - gotta start to get back in. Packs are too expensive and they didn't have snapchat when we were young.

Of course there are exceptions I guess ...

vintagerookies51

02-13-2018, 10:20 PM

1949 Bowman Paige- same year as the iconic 1949 Leaf, and looks even better

T206 Cobb red- more common than green, but looks just as good

1951 Bowman Mantle- has quietly risen over the years. I remember getting a PSA 1 for like 700 5 or 6 Years ago

W514 Joe Jackson- probably one of the cheapest cards you can get of him honestly, but its rarity and the fact that it was from 1919 (100th anniversary coming up) are key

LincolnVT

07-25-2018, 12:42 PM

Gonna be an Exhibit card because...

My long-planned book on Exhibit sports issues will be out before the National. I've already written the chapters on boxing, PC back baseball and champions sets.

Exhibits do seem to be drawing a lot of attention! Early vintage postcards in general are becoming more mainstream. Such an interesting side of the hobby with many rare and yet to be discovered examples out there.