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Jason19th
11-26-2017, 09:14 AM
Let me first say that this item is not for sale and I am happy what I paid for it. It's from a Cuban magazine circa 1923
But it got me thinking - when do we consider something a collectible premium or insert and when do we think it's just a cheap cut out
Age ?
Size ?
Original intent ?
Do the opposite sides need to be blank ?

Where do you draw the line

Leon
11-26-2017, 09:30 AM
In my experience cutouts aren't usually as valuable as a true premium (made to be a premium on its own). I don't usually consider cutouts to be premiums. That doesn't mean they don't have value though.

Exhibitman
11-26-2017, 11:49 AM
Depends...

Some items were clearly meant to be removed or cut out. Others not. These newspaper items were meant to be cut out and saved:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1960%20Herald%20Examiner%20Koufax%20Snider.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1949%20Philadelphia%20%20Bulletin%20Ashburn.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous4/websize/1936%20Chicago%20American%20Sport%20Stamp%20DiMagg io.jpg

If you can get the almighty TPG to bless it, they become mainstream accepted as cards:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/1936%20Detroit%20Times%20Ruth%20PSA%205.jpg

Leon
11-26-2017, 12:21 PM
Cool cards, Adam. Yes, I agree that when the cutouts were made to be cutouts it's not the same. I have collected a lot of these things in the past. For me, the closer to being issued as a stand alone premium the better. But I have collected a ton of cutouts in the past and liked them well (including many of those 1936 cutout stamps).
btw, the original post sort of looks like a supplement, and they are cool too. Though they do have, what look to be, page numbers at bottom.
Here is a premium in the current collection.
H-Unc 1929 Tower Theatre Premium - Cochrane 5x7, thick stock

http://luckeycards.com/phunc1929towercochrane.jpg

Jason19th
11-26-2017, 12:33 PM
Leon

Good catch on the page numbers - maybe that's the line if it's part of the magazine i.e. Has text that corresponds to image or page numbers that place it in the magazine it's not a supplement

doug.goodman
11-26-2017, 01:58 PM
In my experience cutouts aren't usually as valuable as a true premium (made to be a premium on its own). I don't usually consider cutouts to be premiums. That doesn't mean they don't have value though.

I agree

Leon
11-26-2017, 06:46 PM
The cutout pages in the first post are collectible, but probably not as valuable as other true supplements. Picked this up today....Supplement and cut out :).

Huysmans
11-27-2017, 07:31 AM
The cutout pages in the first post are collectible, but probably not as valuable as other true supplements. Picked this up today....Supplement and cut out :).

Hey Leon,

cool pick-up! I've always loved those late-19th century baseball diorama supplements.