View Full Version : Better career Frankie Frisch or Mel Ott?
Chuck9788
09-24-2017, 11:36 AM
Apologies, I'm new here. Not sure if this is the area to have general vintage baseball talk,
Anyway, I'll still ask.
Who's career (Frisch vs Ott) was better, why?
Frank Frisch Stats
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/friscfr01.shtml
Mel Ott Stats
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ottme01.shtml
pclpads
09-24-2017, 11:51 AM
Melvoin - based mostly on HR totals comps.
btcarfagno
09-24-2017, 01:31 PM
Frisch career OPS+ of 110. Ott is at 155. Not really even debatable.
Tom C
Frisch career OPS+ of 110. Ott is at 155. Not really even debatable.
Tom C
Remember that Mel Ott was a nice guy.
Peter_Spaeth
09-24-2017, 02:58 PM
One of the raps on Ott's stats is that they were heavily skewed by home and road, but I have not analyzed it.
btcarfagno
09-24-2017, 03:20 PM
One of the raps on Ott's stats is that they were heavily skewed by home and road, but I have not analyzed it.
OPS+ is park adjusted. And yes his HR stats lean heavily to the home park while doubles are way higher on the road but overall splits aren't as dramatic as, say, Sandy Koufax who was the greatest pitcher ever in his home park and a pretty decent pitcher on the road.
Tom C
rats60
09-24-2017, 03:37 PM
OPS+ is park adjusted. And yes his HR stats lean heavily to the home park while doubles are way higher on the road but overall splits aren't as dramatic as, say, Sandy Koufax who was the greatest pitcher ever in his home park and a pretty decent pitcher on the road.
Tom C
Not really. Ott hit 323 HRs at home vs. 188 on the road. He took advantage of the 258 distance down the right field line. There is no telling how many of those Hrs would have been outs in a normal park.
Shoeless Moe
09-24-2017, 03:37 PM
Toni Frisch or Ed Ott?
ls7plus
09-25-2017, 04:05 PM
It's a non-starter--Ott in a landslide. As someone mentioned, OPS+ is park adjusted, and is a fairly good indicator of runs created versus league average runs created by any individual player. Ott was thus 55% better than an average offensive player of approximately the same era, while Frankie was just 10% better. Plus you can't blame Ott for taking advantage of the Polo Grounds friendly dimensions for pull hitters at home--that's what he's supposed to do, isn't it? In addition, Ott actually performed much better on the road in several important categories: batting average--.311 on the road vs .297 at home; doubles--306 on the road vs 182 at home; and triples--51 on the road vs 21 at home.
Bill James ranked Ott as the 4th best right fielder of all time, despite the home/road HR disparity, in part because of Ott's superior performance in the above categories on the road, and in part of because of his composite skills--Bill called him a cross between Reggie Jackson, Joe Morgan and Andre Dawson. Not bad company.
If Joe DiMaggio had taken it upon himself to take the middle-out pitch down the right field line, a la Miguel Cabrera and J. D. Martinez, instead of bitching about the lengthy distance to left center field in old Yankee Stadium, think how much better he would have been!
Happy collecting,
Larry