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Brian Van Horn
09-14-2017, 10:33 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Topps-Five-Star-HONUS-WAGNER-1-1-Cut-Signature-With-Address-SSP-RARE-/122705359513?hash=item1c91cf3299:g:pJcAAOSwmLlX~Yu x

rjackson44
09-14-2017, 10:38 AM
brian this is so funny omg...

MikeGarcia
09-14-2017, 11:08 AM
If you put duct tape over the " Mrs." it's a signature.....you guy...jeez!!

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MrSeven
09-14-2017, 11:22 AM
If you put duct tape over the " Mrs." it's a signature.....you guy...jeez!!

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Got me thinking. This seems like murky territory if someone cut & submitted to PSA/JSA (assuming it was actually penned in the hand of Mr. Wagner). Okay or dishonest? Would they even authenticate? If I write my name or sign my name we're talking about two different things.

I think I'd be pretty upset without that disclosure... I'm pretty clueless about Wagner autographs.

sycks22
09-14-2017, 11:39 AM
And to think someone at Topps got paid for this.

conor912
09-14-2017, 11:40 AM
I've always wondered about the old-timers homes and, if still still standing, they carry a premium, or if no one even bats an eye as to who lived there previously.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/605-Beechwood-Ave-Carnegie-PA-15106/11254169_zpid/

MrSeven
09-14-2017, 11:43 AM
I've always wondered about the old-timers homes and, if still still standing, they carry a premium, or if no one even bats an eye as to who lived there previously.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/605-Beechwood-Ave-Carnegie-PA-15106/11254169_zpid/

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/319-S-Quincy-St-Commerce-OK-74339/86093671_zpid/

frankbmd
09-14-2017, 11:47 AM
In defense of Topps, it is a little known fact that Mrs. Wagner was also named "Honus".

Furthermore Mr. Wagner only wrote one letter to his wife, so this is

"a secretarial signature of Mrs Wagner penned by Mr. Wagner and is in fact a true 1 of 1."

Hope this helps.

Aquarian Sports Cards
09-14-2017, 12:08 PM
If he wrote the name the same way he signed his name I'd say it's OK. Basically if it passes as a cut it IS a cut.

Paul S
09-14-2017, 12:37 PM
I've always wondered about the old-timers homes and, if still still standing, they carry a premium, or if no one even bats an eye as to who lived there previously.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/605-Beechwood-Ave-Carnegie-PA-15106/11254169_zpid/

A few years ago, discussed here briefly, Gehrig's house was up for sale. Had a tough time selling.

T206Collector
09-14-2017, 12:57 PM
It's a pretty sweet "J. Honus Wagner" signature, if you ask me. I do agree that the intent of the signer here -- that he was addressing this to someone other than himself -- makes it funky. But, what constitutes a "signature" is a rabbit hole the journey through which has many twists and turns. While most people prefer a signature that was designed by the subject to represent his or her name, why that should matter is a really difficult question to answer that raises a fundamental philosophical question - why do people collect the signatures of people in the first place? What about that medium creates interest?

You see this sometimes in Ty Cobb signatures as well. I think he wrote letters to his son Ty Junior. People pass those off as Ty Cobb signatures as well, with the same expected raised eyebrows.

prewarsports
09-14-2017, 01:41 PM
I have had several envelopes of deadball era players where they wrote to their wives and wrote their own names with "mrs" in front and they absolutely are autographs. I hate the cut up cards, but that is a nice signature and I would rather have one of those than two of his later in life signatures with that crazy H he signed with.

MrSeven
09-14-2017, 01:44 PM
I have had several envelopes of deadball era players where they wrote to their wives and wrote their own names with "mrs" in front and they absolutely are autographs. I hate the cut up cards, but that is a nice signature and I would rather have one of those than two of his later in life signatures with that crazy H he signed with.

Do you think that a cut would be worth less if their handwriting was different than their traditional signature?

MikeGarcia
09-14-2017, 02:23 PM
A few years ago, discussed here briefly, Gehrig's house was up for sale. Had a tough time selling.
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..I'd love to live in Jesse Pinkman's home , but I wouldn't ever use that bathroom or go into that basement....

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Bpm0014
09-14-2017, 02:45 PM
I've always wondered about the old-timers homes and, if still still standing, they carry a premium, or if no one even bats an eye as to who lived there previously.

The house is still there, in Carnegie, and if I recall correctly was sold/purchased in the last 5-10 years for a modest sum ($150,000ish)...

conor912
09-14-2017, 03:36 PM
I've always wondered about the old-timers homes and, if still still standing, they carry a premium, or if no one even bats an eye as to who lived there previously.

The house is still there, in Carnegie, and if I recall correctly was sold/purchased in the last 5-10 years for a modest sum ($150,000ish)...

Wouldn't that be the house where his wife allegedly discovered the Gretzky Wagner, in strip form, in some of his things after his death? Or maybe I have the story completely wrong....

clydepepper
09-14-2017, 04:19 PM
I have frequently seen it said that Wagner had 'bowed' legs.

I guess being a Mrs. and playing short will do that to you.


Thanks for noticing, Brian




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swarmee
09-14-2017, 06:55 PM
Maybe not technically a signature, but would be labeled as an autograph by PSA. If they determine it is authentic.
I have an entire index card written on by a 1948 NFL player that is slabbed authentic auto and I don't think his name is written on it once.

mighty bombjack
09-16-2017, 11:36 PM
http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=150953&highlight=What%27s+an+autograph

A conversation from 5 years ago on the autograph side. Stupid photobucket has erased the images...

Brian Van Horn
09-17-2017, 05:02 AM
I have frequently seen it said that Wagner had 'bowed' legs.

I guess being a Mrs. and playing short will do that to you.


Thanks for noticing, Brian




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Uh, thank you, Raymond. It made me think.

Leon
09-18-2017, 10:20 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Topps-Five-Star-HONUS-WAGNER-1-1-Cut-Signature-With-Address-SSP-RARE-/122705359513?hash=item1c91cf3299:g:pJcAAOSwmLlX~Yu x

It is Honus Wagner written in pencil. I guess if he wrote it then so be it....kind of a unique one..

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Bill77
09-18-2017, 10:52 AM
Well that one is better than this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honus-Wagner-2009-Topps-T-206-Handwritten-Cut-Check-BAS-Authentic-Handwriting/302451490355?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.M BE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D7ca7009b5eec43d e8a8ff14a7a49e907%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D 6%26sd%3D302451495325&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851