Is This Really Babe Ruth? [Archive] - Net54baseball.com Forums

mantlefan

09-02-2017, 01:21 PM

I was going through some of my oddball Babe cards and came across this one. It's a 1935 Muratti cigarette card of Babe and Olympic diver, Dorothy Boynton. The card back mentions that in 1928 Dorothy, a diver, was 14 and the youngest athlete ever to win an Olympic medal. It states that she won the 1932 Gold for diving in LA. The photo is presumably from the 1932 Olympics. Not a word about the Babe though. He seems kind of slim to be Babe and I think the nose is wrong. Also, the Olympics in LA ran July 30, 1932 to August 14, 1932. Wouldn't Babe be playing ball then?

http://i.imgur.com/pdCaV4B.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yqU8oCo.jpg

Or could the man be Dorothy's coach, Ernie Brandsten?

http://i.imgur.com/7JRWMqB.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YGWwmpw.jpg

Babe in 1932:

http://i.imgur.com/nImuMiC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bQBx94m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Fw8SjnY.jpg

Any ideas?

frankbmd

09-02-2017, 01:41 PM

Ruth played in only 133 games in 1932, but appears in every Yankee box score from 7/31 thru 8/14 during the Olympics. The closest he got to LA was a series of road games in St Louis during that interval.

The Yankees did not play the Angels in 1932 either.:D

I'm not very good with ears and noses as ENT was not my specialty.

A photograph of Ernie in a bow tie could be helpful.

You may be right.

drcy

09-02-2017, 02:42 PM

Doesn't look like Ruth to me. My pick is the coach.

irv

09-02-2017, 02:50 PM

This has been brought up before, and, IIRC, it was the general consensus that this wasn't Babe Ruth.

irishdenny

09-02-2017, 03:16 PM

He Looks More Like "The Whammer"
From "The Natural"

I'm not accustomed to the Written Language on the Back
Howevar, I Don't See "Ruth's" Name Mentioned!?
So? Who was the marketing genius fir PSA This Time Around?
Has Anybody Evar Seen This Card Labeled Wit out Mr. Ruth Mention'd?

JollyElm

09-02-2017, 03:47 PM

No discussion is required. It is beyond self evident that that fellow is NOT Babe Ruth. I mean, come on!!

horzverti

09-02-2017, 04:05 PM

No discussion is required. It is beyond self evident that that fellow is NOT Babe Ruth. I mean, come on!!

Often Darren gets too excited and goes well over the top what could be a normal response. So here is a translation:

"No discussion required" = why is OP wasting my time?

"beyond self evident" = why is OP wasting my time?

"I mean, come on" = why is the OP wasting my time?

Darren we're going to need to see some smiley face emojis in the future to help us determine if you are actually being funny or if you are just being yourself.

Back to the thread...in my opinion, most likely not Ruth.

Steve D

09-02-2017, 04:11 PM

I think we have a match:

http://www.gettyimages.dk/detail/news-photo/georges-colemen-of-u-s-olympic-team-with-her-trainer-ernst-news-photo/530863020#georges-colemen-of-us-olympic-team-with-her-trainer-ernst-brandsten-picture-id530863020

Question is, how did both PSA and Beckett get it into their heads that Babe Ruth is pictured on that card? There are currently three different PSA graded copies, and one BVG graded copy on ebay.

Steve

JollyElm

09-02-2017, 04:23 PM

Often Darren gets too excited and goes well over the top what could be a normal response. So here is a translation:

"No discussion required" = why is OP wasting my time?

"beyond self evident" = why is OP wasting my time?

"I mean, come on" = why is the OP wasting my time?

Darren we're going to need to see some smiley face emojis in the future to help us determine if you are actually being funny or if you are just being yourself.

Back to the thread...in my opinion, most likely not Ruth.

Screw off!!!!:p;):D:o:):(:confused::mad::rolleyes::cool: :eek:

swarmee

09-02-2017, 04:25 PM

I sent a message to the setregistry email to have it removed from the Master and Super Set registries at PSA.

D. Bergin

09-02-2017, 05:48 PM

So the question becomes; How many people paid Babe Ruth money for that card, and how many people paid Ernst Brandsten money for that card?

:D

horzverti

09-02-2017, 05:54 PM

Screw off!!!!:p;):D:o:):(:confused::mad::rolleyes::cool: :eek:

Screw off? Really?...but I agreed with you that it probably isn't Ruth. Ohhhhhhh...I get it...the translation thing. I see. I just wanted to make sure everyone here knew that you may not be trying to be a dick, you just come off like you are a dick. What I am trying to communicate is that you don't have to try to be a dick. It just comes naturally for you. How do I know this? I can read. I have been able to read for years.

I feel more strongly now that the guy shown on the card is not Ruth.

Fballguy

09-02-2017, 05:59 PM

Nothing gets by PSA. :rolleyes:

JollyElm

09-02-2017, 06:17 PM

Screw off? Really?...but I agreed with you that it probably isn't Ruth. Ohhhhhhh...I get it...the translation thing. I see. I just wanted to make sure everyone here knew that you may not be trying to be a dick, you just come off like you are a dick. What I am trying to communicate is that you don't have to try to be a dick. It just comes naturally for you. How do I know this? I can read. I have been able to read for years.

I feel more strongly now that the guy shown on the card is not Ruth.

Go f-ck yourself, Curt. How's that for translation, dick??

horzverti

09-02-2017, 06:56 PM

Go f-ck yourself, Curt. How's that for translation, dick??

Hey look at this, Darren actually made a trade! We traded insults, but we can call it a trade. See that wasn't so "stupid tough", was it?

Sorry to the OP Frank (mantlefan) for the derailing of the thread. All my fault. Still not Ruth and flips should be corrected.

JollyElm

09-02-2017, 07:35 PM

EvilKing00

09-02-2017, 07:46 PM

horzverti

09-02-2017, 08:12 PM

For context, little boy Curt is upset that he couldn't talk me out of one of my PSA 8 1973 Kaline variations with the Band Aid on his forehead. So he waits a couple of months, sees me in this thread, and suddenly decides to type away insults at me out of nowhere. I thought this d-bag was just playing around, but then I was like, "What the heck??"

First off, we're both little boys...we collect baseball cards. Second, it was a raw Kaline, not graded. Two messages into our trade attempt and I quickly realized what others had shared with me - Darren is tough to deal with because he over values his cards. They're your cards and you can value them as you wish. No problem there. Let me guess - you still have all of your 73 Kaline variations. My problem is that you were very rude in your replies...out of nowhere. It was my mistake to try to deal with you after I was warned; but I wasn't going to let you insult me. Also, I didn't just see you post in this thread. I see many of your rude posts. It is a pattern. A pattern which forced Leon to ban you. You have deep knowledge of variations and on cards in general. The fact that you share your knowledge here makes you an asset. The fact that you are a thin-skinned hothead makes you a troll and a liability.

JollyElm

09-02-2017, 09:37 PM

First off, we're both little boys...we collect baseball cards. Second, it was a raw Kaline, not graded. Two messages into our trade attempt and I quickly realized what others had shared with me - Darren is tough to deal with because he over values his cards. They're your cards and you can value them as you wish. No problem there. Let me guess - you still have all of your 73 Kaline variations. My problem is that you were very rude in your replies...out of nowhere. It was my mistake to try to deal with you after I was warned; but I wasn't going to let you insult me. Also, I didn't just see you post in this thread. I see many of your rude posts. It is a pattern. A pattern which forced Leon to ban you. You have deep knowledge of variations and on cards in general. The fact that you share your knowledge here makes you an asset. The fact that you are a thin-skinned hothead makes you a troll and a liability.

Ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!! It is hilarious listening to you condescend to me. What a joke. Why don't you tell me how I over value my cards? Didn't I specifically make a point of NOT putting a dollar value on the Kaline and telling you I just wanted something substantial in return for it? Um...yeah. And I was banned for a couple of days, moron, because I used curse words. That's it. And I was responding to someone, who like you, came after me. Oh, I'm a thin skinned hot head?? Really?? You suddenly call me a dick 100 times in a thread completely and utterly out of nowhere, and I'm the problem here?? What an absolute freaking tool you are!!!!!

horzverti

09-02-2017, 09:52 PM

Ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!! It is hilarious listening to you condescend to me. What a joke. Why don't you tell me how I over value my cards? Didn't I specifically make a point of NOT putting a dollar value on the Kaline and telling you I just wanted something substantial in return for it? Um...yeah. And I was banned for a couple of days, moron, because I used curse words. That's it. And I was responding to someone, who like you, came after me. Oh, I'm a thin skinned hot head?? Really?? You suddenly call me a dick 100 times in a thread completely and utterly out of nowhere, and I'm the problem here?? What an absolute freaking tool you are!!!!!

Thanks for all of that. You seem totally calm and not a thin-skinned hothead at all. Whatever you do, DON'T smash your keyboard. You will need that if you wish to continue embarrassing yourself.

Still probably not Babe Ruth.

mantlefan

09-02-2017, 10:06 PM

frankbmd

09-02-2017, 10:12 PM

Meanwhile I've been waiting for a photo of Ernie Brandsten in a bow tie and now we have it from Steve.

Sorry to interrupt the discussion. Carry on.

JollyElm

09-02-2017, 11:21 PM

Thanks for all of that. You seem totally calm and not a thin-skinned hothead at all. Whatever you do, DON'T smash your keyboard. You will need that if you wish to continue embarrassing yourself.

Still probably not Babe Ruth.

Wow, you really are a little snowflake, aren't you?? You keep spewing out your venom towards me because why??? We didn't make a trade two months ago? A couple of PM's back and forth and i wasn't interested in your Milton Bradley cards, because I don't collect the set. A completely forgettable situation, but here you are laughably losing your mind all of this time later?? And completely, and I mean COMPLETELY, out of the blue?? And again, in your mind you think I'm the one with the problem????? Holy freakin' crap!!! Get a frickin' clue, little boy. You keep throwing out your petty BS and I'll be throwing it right back, cupcake.

horzverti

09-03-2017, 12:15 AM

Wow, you really are a little snowflake, aren't you?? You keep spewing out your venom towards me because why??? We didn't make a trade two months ago? A couple of PM's back and forth and i wasn't interested in your Milton Bradley cards, because I don't collect the set. A completely forgettable situation, but here you are laughably losing your mind all of this time later?? And completely, and I mean COMPLETELY, out of the blue?? And again, in your mind you think I'm the one with the problem????? Holy freakin' crap!!! Get a frickin' clue, little boy. You keep throwing out your petty BS and I'll be throwing it right back, cupcake.

Thanks again for another meltdown. You do see that I am baiting you, right? Maybe you don't see it. You seem like you are not a jolly elm Darren. More like a weeping willow (I stole that nickname given to you by another member after one of your punctuation loaded rants). Thought it was funny. BTW I offered MBs because they were on the want list that you sent me. Makes sense right...the part about me offering cards that you included on a want list? This isn't about the trade. This about you continuing to be a jerk-a-palooza. You may be a dick, but you are definitely entertaining. Take a few deep breaths and go get a new keyboard. You'll need it...wait, we already covered that issue where you continue to embarrass yourself, right? Cuz you're still doing it.

horzverti

09-03-2017, 12:18 AM

Again, sorry for sidetracking the thread. I probably shouldn't be counseling Darren in public, but it appears he needs some guidance.

JollyElm

09-03-2017, 05:51 AM

Again, sorry for sidetracking the thread. I probably shouldn't be counseling Darren in public, but it appears he needs some guidance.

Oh little Curtie, why don't call mommy down to the basement to read you a comforting night night story, Bubala. We know you need your safe space to type your BS in, because you're just a pathetic pimple on the ass of the world. I'm sorry you're such a loser that you have to keep going to your keyboard so you can feel like such a tough guy. But we know you're nothing but an angry little fuzzy teddy bear. A cute little nothing. So sad that you have to constantly spew your insulting crap, but, hey, it's quite a good laugh for all of us reading this thread. I'll even give you a little golf clap. Clap clap clap. And here's a big kiss for you. Mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh. Feel better, pumpkin.

And, buttercup, see tomorrow I have things to do, as I have something you clearly don't...a life. So I may not be around to answer the pathetic crap that spills out of your mouth until later in the day. Hope that works for you. Oh, speaking of your mom, would you like me to send you a picture of the Kaline card that you covet so much that it's sent you into a frenzy?? Perhaps mommy will crochet the image into a pillow for you, so she can use it the next time she tucks you in, okay, darling boy??

Aquarian Sports Cards

09-03-2017, 05:58 AM

Can't you guys flirt via PM? None of us care.

Leon

09-03-2017, 06:32 AM

Can't you guys flirt via PM? None of us care.

Neither of them will be posting in this thread again or it will be deleted. They do need to take it to PMs if they want to snuggle like that. And I always thought it was Ruth even though it didn't look like him.

mantlefan

09-03-2017, 12:19 PM

Neither of them will be posting in this thread again or it will be deleted. They do need to take it to PMs if they want to snuggle like that. And I always thought it was Ruth even though it didn't look like him.

But Leon, after the evidence presented here have you changed your mind? We have a picture of Ernie in the same outfit coaching at the Olympics!

Here's Babe's schedule while the Olympics were operating and the picture was taken:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.websitetoolbox.com/1237/3412494

Could he have flown to LA for the weekend?

Leon

09-03-2017, 12:27 PM

But Leon, after the evidence presented here have you changed your mind? We have a picture of Ernie in the same outfit coaching at the Olympics!

Here's Babe's schedule while the Olympics were operating and the picture was taken:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.websitetoolbox.com/1237/3412494

Could he have flown to LA for the weekend?

Of course I have changed my mind with the evidence shown. I never said it was corroborated as being him. I just took it at face value. Doesn't make a difference to me one way or the other.

brianp-beme

09-03-2017, 12:31 PM

Perhaps it is just another insidious case of a Babe in Earnie's clothing.

Brian

mantlefan

09-03-2017, 12:33 PM

Of course I have changed my mind with the evidence shown. I never said it was corroborated as being him. I just took it at face value. Doesn't make a difference to me one way or the other.

I agree, but I feel sorry for the guy who paid close to $400 for a card of Dorothy and Ernie.

http://i.imgur.com/sc2usM8.jpg

irv

09-03-2017, 01:25 PM

But Leon, after the evidence presented here have you changed your mind? We have a picture of Ernie in the same outfit coaching at the Olympics!

Here's Babe's schedule while the Olympics were operating and the picture was taken:

Could he have flown to LA for the weekend?

Boom! Again, very easily figured out by a board member. Makes one wonder how much "investigating" the grading company put into this prior to grading the card? ;)

I agree, but I feel sorry for the guy who paid close to $400 for a card of Dorothy and Ernie.

http://i.imgur.com/sc2usM8.jpg

X2. Hopefully no one purchases this one however!
http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-products/1935-muratti-26-babe-ruth-psa-9-new-york-yankees-bambino-1-highest-graded.html :eek::eek:

frankbmd

09-03-2017, 04:16 PM

PWCC should have know it was Ernie, not Babe.;););)

Peter_Spaeth

09-03-2017, 04:26 PM

If it was Ruth, you would think the back would have mentioned it?

irv

09-03-2017, 04:41 PM

If it was Ruth, you would think the back would have mentioned it?

It looks nothing like, Ruth, imo, and you're right, if it was, it would be mentioned on the back for sure.

Steve D

09-03-2017, 05:01 PM

I'm thinking the card must be incorrectly listed in Beckett's guide, or the SCD Standard Catalog. I looked in my 2005 and 2007 editions of the SCDSC, and it isn't listed. Beckett.com does list it as a Babe Ruth card in their database.

Right now on ebay, there are 4 of them graded by PSA, one graded by Beckett, and one more graded by SGC. So, all the grading companies are furthering the mistaken identity, but where did they get there information from?

Steve

mantlefan

09-03-2017, 05:13 PM

Well Dale, the price is kinda steep, but code BBQ for "$20 off" has me getting ready to press the buy button!

http://i.imgur.com/epX1nF0.jpg

mantlefan

09-03-2017, 05:17 PM

If it was Ruth, you would think the back would have mentioned it?

Yep, my 4 years of German in college finally pays off! The reverse states that Dorothy was the youngest person ever to medal in the Olympics when she won a diving medal in the 1928 games.

irv

09-03-2017, 05:28 PM

Well Dale, the price is kinda steep, but code BBQ for "$20 off" has me getting ready to press the buy button!

Crap! I didn't notice that, Frank, but because you did, and with the amount you saved, I don't even need to ask if you purchased the card or not.

Congrats on your P/U. PSA 9's are nothing to laugh about, especially when they are cards of Babe Ruth. :rolleyes:

irv

09-03-2017, 06:28 PM

I was going through some of my oddball Babe cards and came across this one. It's a 1935 Muratti cigarette card of Babe and Olympic diver, Dorothy Boynton. The card back mentions that in 1928 Dorothy, a diver, was 14 and the youngest athlete ever to win an Olympic medal. It states that she won the 1932 Gold for diving in LA. The photo is presumably from the 1932 Olympics. Not a word about the Babe though. He seems kind of slim to be Babe and I think the nose is wrong. Also, the Olympics in LA ran July 30, 1932 to August 14, 1932. Wouldn't Babe be playing ball then?

http://i.imgur.com/pdCaV4B.jpg

Any ideas?

I was able to find a bigger pic of it. Pretty easy to see the bleachers and all the rest of it to prove it was, without a doubt, taken at or around the same time as the supposed baseball card was. Even the same jacket is hanging over the handrail.

EvilKing00

09-03-2017, 08:05 PM

So now this is 2 babe ruths uncovered

286539

irv

09-04-2017, 04:00 AM

So now this is 2 babe ruths uncovered

286539

Just have to get the original one posted corrected now as I believe the one you just posted, Steve, already has been?

EvilKing00

09-05-2017, 11:49 AM

Just have to get the original one posted corrected now as I believe the one you just posted, Steve, already has been?

just ended it

swarmee

09-08-2017, 08:26 PM

https://img.comc.com/i/MultiSport/1962/Dickson-Orde-Sports-of-the-Countries---Base/11/America-(Babe-Ruth).jpg?id=635f7698-88b2-46a2-8f6d-8f5c14191fef&size=original (https://www.comc.com/Cards/MultiSport/1962/Dickson_Orde_Sports_of_the_Countries_-_Base/11/America_(Babe_Ruth)/12558042/GRADED/PSA/8)
1962 Dickson Orde Sports of the Countries - [Base] #11 - America (Babe Ruth) [PSA*8]
Courtesy of COMC.com (https://www.comc.com)

Who is this guy? Not Babe Ruth (or really anyone) IMO. It's just a mention on the back. Kind of like:

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20799168_10210035069739384_3472012974580941917_n.j pg?oh=24a7ce28f296dc0c2779764ad79f0c42&oe=5A1DDD5F

irv

09-09-2017, 06:36 PM

I sent a message to the setregistry email to have it removed from the Master and Super Set registries at PSA.

Any word on any of this, John? I am curious what will happen going forward with this card and curious if current owners, thinking they have Ruth, know about this?

swarmee

09-09-2017, 07:38 PM

Nope, no response from the Set Registry team yet.

swarmee

03-05-2018, 04:37 AM

Nope, no response from the Set Registry team yet.

Ditto, now 5 months later.

Leon

03-05-2018, 06:34 AM

Ditto, now 5 months later.

We need Spaeth to email Joe O again. I think that is how the Marquard finally got fixed from Ruth on the Sermon postcard.

EvilKing00

03-05-2018, 07:58 AM

all 3 of the big grading compaines need to see the evidence and make the correction.

Bored5000

03-05-2018, 11:41 AM

This really seems to like a huge screw up by the TPG companies. The value of that card is just about zero without Babe Ruth. Wonder how the hobby ever came to accept that it was Ruth in the image?

Aside from the fact that lots of people now have a card that is nearly worthless (if they are being honest when they try to sell it), this eliminates one of the few Ruth pre World War II cards that could still be had for under $500.

darwinbulldog

03-05-2018, 12:35 PM

As they say, a prosopagnosiac and his money are soon parted.

Michael B

03-05-2018, 01:03 PM

I am pretty sure I have a good full on photo of Ernst Brandsten. I just pulled out a photo him and two of his Olympic diving athletes to scan to my website. I will post it when I get home this evening.

Brandsten competed in diving at the 1912 Olympics but did not medal. His wife Greta Johansson also competed in diving in 1912 winning a gold medal. They trained divers at Stanford for 33 years. Both were inducted into the International Swimming Hall of Fame in Florida. At one point I owned a large group of Greta's personal HOF programs signed by many HOFer Olympians.

GasHouseGang

03-05-2018, 02:34 PM

As they say, a prosopagnosiac and his money are soon parted.

pros·o·pag·no·sia

/ˌpräsəpaɡˈnōZH(ē)ə/

noun
Psychiatry
noun: prosopagnosia

an inability to recognize the faces of familiar people, typically as a result of damage to the brain.

Your welcome.:)

Snapolit1

03-05-2018, 04:44 PM

Shows the hypnotic power of the flip. I looked at the card (online) 1,000 times and never one questioned it. Now looking at it it is clearly not babe Ruth. I wouldn't even say even close to Babe Ruth. Unreal.

Michael B

03-05-2018, 07:56 PM

I don't normally look at a lot of threads in this section, but the title piqued my curiosity. I am glad I did. I knew immediately it was not Babe Ruth. I guess the expression 'You tell a lie enough times and people will believe it' holds true here. For everyone's edification here is a photo of Ernst (NOT Ernest) Brandsten with two of his star divers at Stanford circa 1926-27. Dave Fall on the left won a silver medal in diving in 1924. He became an attorney practicing maritime law in California. Just before his death in 1964 he was appointed a district court judge in California. Pete Desjardins on the right won a silver medal in diving in 1924 and gold medals in both diving events in 1928. I will also post this in the other thread.

Steve D

03-31-2018, 11:03 PM

mantlefan

03-31-2018, 11:10 PM

Steve D

03-31-2018, 11:23 PM

Good luck with that, Steve.

I know, call me a hopeless optimist :)

Steve

irv

04-01-2018, 08:40 AM

And now, PWCC has one in their new auction:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-Muratti-Olympischen-Babe-Ruth-26-PSA-8-5-NM-MT-PWCC/401515702668?hash=item5d7c33698c:g:LZsAAOSw-NFav~yF

I just sent an email to them asking them to look up the thread(s) here on Net54.

Steve

I'm looking forward to hearing their reply. If they are everything they state or try to state with regards to honesty, transparency and keeping the hobby strong, then this card should be pulled from their auction.

Has there been any correspondence/info with regards to PSA and Joe Orlando about this card?

I am sure the monetary hit would be huge, but like they also try to convey, the proper thing to do would be to own this mistake.

Edit: I found the other thread and based on it, I highly doubt PWCC nor PSA will be doing anything soon with regards to removing/admitting anything.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=252123

Anyway you look at it, it is just wrong these cards are still being sold as Ruth cards and it is equally wrong PSA has not yet acknowledged their mistake.:mad:

prestigecollectibles

04-01-2018, 10:00 AM

PWCC ended the auction. I once sent Joe Orlando a tweet about the incorrect details regarding the Babe Ruth Shonen Club Japanese postcard and he responded by blocking me.

Sean

04-01-2018, 10:14 AM

Robert, what incorrect details about the Shonen Ruth?

irv

04-01-2018, 10:31 AM

PWCC ended the auction. I once sent Joe Orlando a tweet about the incorrect details regarding the Babe Ruth Shonen Club Japanese postcard and he responded by blocking me.

That is great to see! :)

prestigecollectibles

04-01-2018, 10:37 AM

Robert, what incorrect details about the Shonen Ruth?

It was listed as a 1928 Shonen Kulubu for a long time. It should've been 1929 Shonen Club. They eventually did fix it and so did SGC. I emailed Bob Lemke around 2009 and he had it corrected in the Krause guide around 2011.

Steve D

04-01-2018, 03:52 PM

I just looked on the PSA registry, and the Muratti card does not appear in either the Babe Ruth Master or Super Set. It also is listed as only "Dorothy Poynton" in the pop report.....no mention of Babe Ruth on it.

Steve

mantlefan

04-01-2018, 08:01 PM

I AM surprised that it was pulled. Good work Steve.

I sent this email to a few people at PSA and have never received a reply:

March 5, 2018

Hi xxe

I hope you are well.

I know it's not in your expertise, but maybe you could forward this to the right person in research at PSA. This card does not depict Babe Ruth, although PSA, SGC and Beckett say it does.

I was going through some of my oddball Babe Ruth cards and came across this one. Supposedly it's a 1935 Muratti cigarette card of Babe Ruth and Olympic diver, Dorothy Boynton. The card back mentions that in 1928 Dorothy, a diver, was 14 and the youngest athlete ever to win an Olympic medal. It states that she won the 1932 Gold for diving in LA. The photo was taken at the 1932 Olympics. There is no mention though of the Babe on the front or back.

http://i.imgur.com/pdCaV4B.jpg http://i.imgur.com/yqU8oCo.jpg

He seems kind of slim to be Babe and I think the nose is wrong. Also, the Olympics in LA ran July 30, 1932 to August 14, 1932. Babe played for the Yankees in Detroit, Chicago and St. Louis on those dates.

http://i.imgur.com/bQBx94m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Fw8SjnY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nImuMiC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7JRWMqB.jpg

The card actually depicts Dorothy Poynton's coach, Ernie Brandsten:

http://i.imgur.com/kKe0k2X.jpg

Here is Ernie at the same spot coaching another swimmer. Same hat, bow tie and socks:

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=286536&stc=1&d=1504484907

I hope something can be done about this situation. People are paying $300 - $400 for this card in PSA 8, believing they purchased a Ruth card, when they haven't.

Best,

Frank Evanov

Leon

04-02-2018, 06:13 AM

I think it was Ernst but maybe he went by Ernie.
I was told yesterday that PSA took this card off of their registry as to it being Ruth. I haven't confirmed it.

I AM surprised that it was pulled. Good work Steve.

I sent this email to a few people at PSA and have never received a reply:

March 5, 2018

Hi xxe

I hope you are well.

I know it's not in your expertise, but maybe you could forward this to the right person in research at PSA. This card does not depict Babe Ruth, although PSA, SGC and Beckett say it does.

I was going through some of my oddball Babe Ruth cards and came across this one. Supposedly it's a 1935 Muratti cigarette card of Babe Ruth and Olympic diver, Dorothy Boynton. The card back mentions that in 1928 Dorothy, a diver, was 14 and the youngest athlete ever to win an Olympic medal. It states that she won the 1932 Gold for diving in LA. The photo was taken at the 1932 Olympics. There is no mention though of the Babe on the front or back.

http://i.imgur.com/pdCaV4B.jpg http://i.imgur.com/yqU8oCo.jpg

He seems kind of slim to be Babe and I think the nose is wrong. Also, the Olympics in LA ran July 30, 1932 to August 14, 1932. Babe played for the Yankees in Detroit, Chicago and St. Louis on those dates.

http://i.imgur.com/bQBx94m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Fw8SjnY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nImuMiC.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7JRWMqB.jpg

The card actually depicts Dorothy Poynton's coach, Ernie Brandsten:

http://i.imgur.com/kKe0k2X.jpg

Here is Ernie at the same spot coaching another swimmer. Same hat, bow tie and socks:

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=286536&stc=1&d=1504484907

I hope something can be done about this situation. People are paying $300 - $400 for this card in PSA 8, believing they purchased a Ruth card, when they haven't.

Best,

Frank Evanov

mantlefan

04-02-2018, 06:39 AM

I think it was Ernst but maybe he went by Ernie.
I was told yesterday that PSA took this card off eof their registry as to it being Ruth. I haven't confirmed it.

Yes they have, but it’s still out there in Auctions. Short of decertifying them, I doubt there’s much they can do.

OLDBILL

04-02-2018, 06:18 PM

My best translation for the back of the B. Ruth card is:

FOCAL POINTS
THE GERMAN SPORTS
A compilation in 3 volumes
Volume I:
"Between the Olympics
Picture 26
Volume I:
Dorothy Poynton was 14 years old when she first came to the USA. At the Olympics in 1928. In Los Angeles in 1932, she won in the dive.
By classifying the images in the scrapbook edited by us, the collector receives a sports history of our time, linked in text and image. The Album,, Between the Olympic Games is available at the price of 1 Reichsmark in all Cigaretten - sales outlets or directly through us.
The pictures are enclosed with the packs of 10, 25 and 50 pieces of our brand "Muratti Privat".
The exchange of images can only take place, after the whole series has been released.
In Preparation:
Volume II: "A sports nation is preparing"
Volume III: "The XI. 1936 Olympics, Berlin
Cigarette factories
Muratti Stock Company
Berlin

OLDBILL

04-02-2018, 06:24 PM

bump

mantlefan

04-02-2018, 10:06 PM

Herr Bill, das ist richtig.

OLDBILL

04-03-2018, 12:18 AM

Danke Google Translate...Ha!

irv

01-21-2022, 05:46 PM

Looks like these are still in circulation. With Ruth cards being hot lately, I'm sure there are some others getting some pretty decent prices. For those that don't know about this card, you might appreciate this thread?
I wrote the seller to let him know.
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/194740985369?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110 006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200 818143230%26meid%3Db949a2b906ef446fa2efa34aeba5546 c%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D3249970 74673%26itm%3D194740985369%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26p g%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1

GasHouseGang

01-21-2022, 05:58 PM

I think it's cute how you think he'll actually care. :D;)

irv

01-21-2022, 06:01 PM

I think it's cute how you think he'll actually care. :D;)

Already received a reply from him; "PSA puts its name on that card, not me" :D

Sean

01-21-2022, 06:26 PM

Already received a reply from him; "PSA puts its name on that card, not me" :D

Yeah, he just takes the money for selling the card. :mad:

Snapolit1

01-21-2022, 07:28 PM

Other than the fact that the dude looks nothing like Ruth and is in an environment that no one would possibly have expected Ruth to have been in. . . . yeah. . . . honest mistake.

yanksfan09

01-21-2022, 08:20 PM

There’s 5 other fixed price listings on eBay ranging between 1000- 8000!

Such a shame, the amount of people who will continue for years to get burned by this card! I don’t get why it was ever even thought to have been Ruth, didn’t make any sense.

shagrotn77

01-21-2022, 09:04 PM

Do the TPGs still slab it as a Ruth card?

Leon

01-21-2022, 10:01 PM

Already received a reply from him; "PSA puts its name on that card, not me" :D

What a maroon...
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Yoda

01-22-2022, 10:17 AM

How about Dorothy and "Fattie" Arbuckle? He was known for appreciating young girls.

Dead-Ball-Hitter

01-22-2022, 10:29 AM

cardinalcollector

01-22-2022, 11:47 AM

+++++1

You realize that you are commenting on a spat from 4 1/2 years ago, right?

irv

01-23-2022, 07:11 AM