Goldin

[gnaz01]

So does anyone know what this could be?? It was in an email I just received.......

[Ronnie73]

I got that email too. First thing that came to mind was the PSA 8 T206 Wagner.

[prewarsports]

The 1869 Cincinnati Reds sale of their trophy balls, equipment and uniforms after their World Tour would probably disagree with the above statement :)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Stuff has sold for more than the Wagner. There was a Ruth jersey as I recall in SCP Auctions. Also Naismith's original rules. I would guess it's the Ruth jersey.

[sports-rings]

I doubt there would ever be a general consensus among collectors what the most historical piece of sports memorabilia piece is.

Maybe they're selling the New York Yankees franchise?

[wondo]

Are they doing Sheen's stuff?

[ALR-bishop]

Some Tiger blood ?

[clydepepper]

Stuff has sold for more than the Wagner. There was a Ruth jersey as I recall in SCP Auctions. Also Naismith's original rules. I would guess it's the Ruth jersey.



More than $3M?


I don't recall anything like that, please enlighten me.


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[clydepepper]

Ted Williams' Head?

[oldjudge]

My guess is that the Player's League documents coming up in the fall Memory Lane auction are more significant.

[Snapolit1]

Recall last year Goldin was on TV talking up something else as being the greatest most amazing stupendous item that ever saw the light of an auction floor. Obamas first State of the Union address I think.

[MartyFromCANADA]

It's an Aaron Judge cracked bat...lol. :D

[bn2cardz]

More than $3M?


I don't recall anything like that, please enlighten me.


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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/expensive-sports-memorabilia-history-article-1.2601407

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/expensive-sports-memorabilia-history-article-1.2601407

Yup. Ruth and Naismith, 1 and 2. Has to be Ruth coming up.

[sycks22]

Henderson rookie PSA 8

[mechanicalman]

Love him or hate him, Goldin's marketing/PR is something to behold.

[x2drich2000]

I think the Ruth jersey is the most logical guess since the Naismith rules were supposed to be donated to KU. However, the use of the term "sports related collectable" makes me think of something other than baseball.

DJ

[TUM301]

O J`s Bronco ?

[tazdmb]

My guess is that the Player's League documents coming up in the fall Memory Lane auction are more significant.

While they are unique (Saw them at the National) I am not sure they will have the mass appeal of whatever Goldin is offering.

[packs]

One of Mordecai Brown's fingers.

[oldjudge]

A 52 Topps Mantle has mass appeal, but it is just a common card. The documents in Memory Lane are probably unique and are from one of the most significant moments in baseball history.

[packs]

Only if you care about that moment. I would guess most fans do not.

[Scocs]

Film footage of the kid telling Mr. Jackson, "Say it Ain't So, Joe"! Of course, it's silent and uses intertitles, but still....

[MVSNYC]

Ok, I'll play...the way it's being hyped up, it's gotta be something like...

Ruth Red Sox Uniform
Joe Jackson Uniform
PSA 10 1952 Topps Mantle

[Baseball Rarities]

Jackie Robinson's first contract with the Brooklyn Dodgers organization?

[Steve D]

Jackie Robinson's first contract with the Brooklyn Dodgers organization?


I was thinking the uniform Jackie wore in his debut.

Steve

[baseball tourist]

I was thinking the uniform Jackie wore in his debut.

Steve

That would be impressive

[MartyFromCANADA]

one of mordecai brown's fingers.

lmao

[Topnotchsy]

More than $3M?


I don't recall anything like that, please enlighten me.


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SCP sold a Ruth jersey for $4.4 million a few years back
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/7953437/babe-ruth-jersey-sells-record-44-million


Based on the wording I don't think this would be a card.

It seems like it would have to be linked to both a player (or possibly a person who is not an athlete) and an event that has great significance.

For the player to matter enough they would have to be transcendent, so there's not a huge list:

Ruth, Gehrig, Jackie Robinson and maybe a couple others in baseball, Jordan in basketball (don't think anyone else comes close), don't think anyone in football or hockey is there. Boxing has Ali. Not sure anyone in golf matters that much. Anyone in the Olympics?

Beyond that there could be non-sports personalities although I can't think of too many options right now. Maybe the golf equipment used on the moon?

[Peter_Spaeth]

If he is saying truthfully it's the most valuable, then it's already sold at least once, and that makes it the Ruth uniform. Otherwise no way to know.

[gnaz01]

If he is saying truthfully it's the most valuable, then it's already sold at least once, and that makes it the Ruth uniform. Otherwise no way to know.

IF it has sold once, wonder why he is saying they cannot reveal what it is. What is the shroud of secrecy??

[IMAXMAX]

St Louis Cardinals' Rally Squirrel

[Peter_Spaeth]

IF it has sold once, wonder why he is saying they cannot reveal what it is. What is the shroud of secrecy??

Hype. Of course he can reveal it even if it hasn't sold before, I would guess, but saying he can't adds to the hype. If he revealed it in advance who would pay attention to the press conference?

[yanks12025]

Ken said on GUU it will be the first sports related item to sell for 8 figures.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If it's a new item it will be interesting to see whether the provenance is controversial.

[bnorth]

If it's a new item it will be interesting to see whether the provenance is controversial.

I am sure it is every bit as real as the Babe Ruth catchers mitt.:)

[BeanTown]

Jay's non baseball card guess is just a year off. It's Cy Young's Cleveland Spiders full uniform along with other rookie items. It will be a massive once in a lifetime group of items that has never been to auction.

[botn]

If it's a new item it will be interesting to see whether the provenance is controversial.

Not after the last time Goldin was called out here. He lawyered up, sent cease and desist letters and it was business as usual. People could not remove their posts fast enough.

[btcarfagno]

Jay's non baseball card guess is just a year off. It's Cy Young's Cleveland Spiders full uniform along with other rookie items. It will be a massive once in a lifetime group of items that has never been to auction.

Doubt even a collection like that would get to 8 figures though. Cy Young these days doesn't have that kind of cache.

Tom C

[CMIZ5290]

Not after the last time Goldin was called out here. He lawyered up, sent cease and desist letters and it was business as usual. People could not remove their posts fast enough.

this....

[MVSNYC]

Good call on Jackie debut uniform. That's the only possible (single) piece that could truly fetch 8 figures.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

If your posts stick to facts the law is on your side. Doesn't mean you want to get embroiled in a lawsuit even if you are going to win, but the truth is ALWAYS a good defense in a case like that. Of course if what was posted here was conjecture that may hurt his sale, then he probably did the right thing.

[yanks12025]

Could also be the White Bronco, because it will be on pawn stars on monday night. So maybe they made a deal for the car and will be at the press conference later in the week with Ken? But I doubt that would be worth anywhere near 10 million

[Bpm0014]

No way it's the Ruth uniform. Thomas Tull owns that and I doubt he needs the money. Does anyone know if he's a member on here? He has one of the most incredible collections known.

[Baseball Rarities]

No way it's the Ruth uniform. Thomas Tull owns that and I doubt he needs the money. Does anyone know if he's a member on here? He has one of the most incredible collections known.

I do not think that he owns the Ruth uniform anymore.

[KendallCat]

Only items I can think of would be Wagner PSA 8 or a Mantle PSA 10 and don't think either are coming available for sale IMO.

KC

[BeanTown]

Second guess is a newly discovered Old Mill rookie Cabinet of Joe Jackson.

[oldjudge]

I don't think that any card (or postcard) could draw eight figures. I can think of only two players whose uniforms could even get close to this number-Ruth and Gehrig, and it would have to be a very special uniform. I doubt any Jackie Robinson uniform would even be close. My bet is that it is Gehrig's uniform from his "luckiest man" speech.

[Vintageclout]

Jay - you just planted a seed....how about Babe Ruth's called shot Uniform and/or bat?

[MVSNYC]

Jay- Lelands sold the luckiest man speech uniform around 1999.

An [authentic] Joe Jackson 1919 uniform could fetch millions (I doubt 8 figures though).

I think the only piece that could approach 8 figures would be Jackie's debut uniform. Such historical importance.

[Bestdj777]

Delete.

[TUM301]

The 1919 Black Sox stolen confessions, would really like to see those surface again.

[Huysmans]

Jay- Lelands sold the luckiest man speech uniform around 1999.

An [authentic] Joe Jackson 1919 uniform could fetch millions (I doubt 8 figures though).

I think the only piece that could approach 8 figures would be Jackie's debut uniform. Such historical importance.

While anything is possible...
I have a hard time believing that Robinson's debut uniform could fetch 10 million.
Something from Ruth? Yes. ....Gehrig? Possibly, but doubtful. .....Robinson? No.

[MVSNYC]

I'll rephrase. I'm not sure any one piece could reach $10M...I just believe that uniform could/would set records. If you watch Ken Burns' Baseball documentary, woven throughout the 10 episodes is the overarching theme that, along with Ruth, Robinson was the single most important figure in the game.

Well, I guess we'll see what Ken's got, soon. No pressure on him now. ;)

[yanks12025]

Jay- Lelands sold the luckiest man speech uniform around 1999.

An [authentic] Joe Jackson 1919 uniform could fetch millions (I doubt 8 figures though).

I think the only piece that could approach 8 figures would be Jackie's debut uniform. Such historical importance.


Isn't the luckiest man jersey in the hall of fame now?

[Bpm0014]

I do not think that he owns the Ruth uniform anymore.

He did as of last year. I saw it, and had a picture taken of it.

[btcarfagno]

To me, the only two figures that would garner enough outside money to have any chance of reaching $10,000,000 would be Ruth or Jackie. No other sports figure in any sport could come close to that number I do not think. And even with Jackie or Ruth, it would be maybe only one item that could do it. For Jackie it would be his first game jersey. The historical significance of that piece would rightfully garner interest the world over. The only Ruth piece would be a rookie Red Sox jersey. Perhaps a Baltimore jersey.

If I had to take a guess which of the three above jerseys would go for the most money, my money would be on Jackie's first jersey. Assuming enough outside interest is brought in.

Tom C

[Peter_Spaeth]

Maybe the Babe gave a St. Mary's uniform to the same guy as he gave his catcher's mitt. :)

J.C.'s post seems to be more than a guess though, it sounds like he knows it's Cy Young.

[Baseball Rarities]

He did as of last year. I saw it, and had a picture taken of it.

Received confirmation that he no longer owns it.

[RedsFan1941]

didn't goldin previously advertise a babe ruth contract he was selling as a 10 million dollar item?

[Bpm0014]

Received confirmation that he no longer owns it.

Damn. I got to see it (backstage) as part of a travelling exhibit. Incredible.

[rats60]

I don't think that any card (or postcard) could draw eight figures. I can think of only two players whose uniforms could even get close to this number-Ruth and Gehrig, and it would have to be a very special uniform. I doubt any Jackie Robinson uniform would even be close. My bet is that it is Gehrig's uniform from his "luckiest man" speech.

The PSA 8 Wagner would. Kendrick has turned down 10 million for it, but I don't think he would sell it.

[MVSNYC]

The PSA 8 Wagner would. Kendrick has turned down 10 million for it, but I don't think he would sell it.

Is this a fact? Never heard that before.

[packs]

Someone would pay 10 million for the Wagner? Even after the truth behind the card came out?

[botn]

Someone would pay 10 million for the Wagner? Even after the truth behind the card came out?

The truth has been known about that card well before Mastro's admission and it never hurt the selling price.

[canjond]

Unopened case of '52 Topps?

[AGuinness]

Unopened case of '52 Topps?

Freshly dredged from the bottom of New York Harbor, how's that for provenance?

[drcy]

Freshly dredged from the bottom of New York Harbor, how's that for provenance?

With fisherman's notarized letter of provenance

[packs]

The truth has been known about that card well before Mastro's admission and it never hurt the selling price.

It sold for 2.8 mil only 10 years ago before the Mastro admission. You think it'll appreciate 5 times along with the admission?

[pokerplyr80]

It sold for 2.8 mil only 10 years ago before the Mastro admission. You think it'll appreciate 5 times along with the admission?

Yes. That card, or one of the 52 Mantles in PSA 10 could easily go for 10m.

It would actually be less than 4x in appreciation by the way.

[packs]

Appreciate the appreciation. Agree to disagree.

[botn]

It sold for 2.8 mil only 10 years ago before the Mastro admission. You think it'll appreciate 5 times along with the admission?

My comment was not supporting the value of the Wagner at 10 mil were it to come to market but to point out to you that every person who has owned it knew the history before buying and paid up for it anyway. Again, Mastro's admission does not change the value of the card, imo. PSA is never buying it back so it is an 8 because we all know the flip rules.

Finally whatever item it is that Goldin will be auctioning will most likely sell for considerably less than his promotional tour will suggest.

[packs]

Ah, that's the issue, I'm talking about more than one admission. There's the admission that the card was trimmed, but also the admission of shill bidding in their auctions. That sale price was the highest bid, but maybe not truly the sale price, which could mean that 2.8 million is not really the benchmark for that card.

[perezfan]

Maybe it's Walt Williams' neck :rolleyes:

Not expecting many people to get it, but was inspired by the Mordecai Brown post.

[botn]

Ah, that's the issue, I'm talking about more than one admission. There's the admission that the card was trimmed, but also the admission of shill bidding in their auctions. That sale price was the highest bid, but maybe not truly the sale price, which could mean that 2.8 million is not really the benchmark for that card.

The sale at 2.8 million was a private sale. This card was not part of the shill bidding that took place at Mastro Auctions.

[packs]

Ah, did not realize that.

[judsonhamlin]

Maybe it's the map from Time Bandits?

[arcadekrazy]

Maybe it's the map from Time Bandits?

Now that's funny.....Although I would think such a map would sell for much more than 8 figures

[ctownboy]

It's a time machine that can only be used once. This machine will allow you to take a trip back in time and see whatever sporting event LIVE that you would like to see.

If you had a spare $10 million dollars laying around that you could spend frivolously would THAT be something you would spend your money on?

David

[sago]

Unopened box of 120 packs 1933 Goudey.

[RedsFan1941]

Unopened box of 120 packs 1933 Goudey.

The chance to get a Lajoie would drive the price.

[btcarfagno]

The chance to get a Lajoie would drive the price.

I don't think the Lajoie was issued in packs though.

Tom C

[RedsFan1941]

I don't think the Lajoie was issued in packs though.

Tom C

exactly. just adding to all of the previous misinformation in this thread:)

[ullmandds]

The chance to get a Lajoie would drive the price.

not only was it not issued in packs...it wasn't issued until 34'.

[glynparson]

I'll bite, I hate him and the crap he did to the hobby I love. with all the garbage he was huckstering on shop at home. I think he is a horrible person and the way he,in my opinion, misrepresented what he was offering should have been criminal. It was sure as hell immoral in my opinion. If Kenny doesn't like this I don't care. I find him repugnant. I won't cease and desist on my opinion of him I think he's a jerk and a blowhard I'd consign to any auction house before his. If he were the only option to buy and sell with I'd find a new hobby. I actually cringe when Leon sends out the emails about his auctions. In fact Leon if u could remove me from the list of spam about his auctions I'd appreciate it. I wouldn't buy a Wagner t206 from him if it were half priced.

[botn]

I'll bite, I hate him and the crap he did to the hobby I love. with all the garbage he was huckstering on shop at home. I think he is a horrible person and the way he,in my opinion, misrepresented what he was offering should have been criminal. It was sure as hell immoral in my opinion. If Kenny doesn't like this I don't care. I find him repugnant. I won't cease and desist on my opinion of him I think he's a jerk and a blowhard I'd consign to any auction house before his. If he were the only option to buy and sell with I'd find a new hobby. I actually cringe when Leon sends out the emails about his auctions. In fact Leon if u could remove me from the list of spam about his auctions I'd appreciate it. I wouldn't buy a Wagner t206 from him if it were half priced.

Now you've gone and done it. You scared everyone away. Relax and put in a guess on the Aug Net 54 contest. You still have time.

[Leon]

Now you've gone and done it. You scared everyone away. Relax and put in a guess on the Aug Net 54 contest. You still have time.

You can't win if you don't play. :cool:

[Jobu]

This thread has been fun to read because these items are incredible. I like the Robinson jersey and PSA 10 1952 Topps Mantle, but will guess something new even though I don't think it exists: T206 Joe Jackson printer's proof.

[brass_rat]

It's the letter asking for Wagner's permission to be in the T206 set -- and his reply letter -- that go on the auction block.

(And you thought the Neal Ball letter was cool...) :)



(Let's just hope that they aren't written in Calibri (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/31/calibris-scandalous-history). ) :eek:

[Stampsfan]

Regardless of what the item (or items) may be, I think the email many of us received has generated the discussion results that were desired.

We're all talking about it, guys...

[Steve D]

Maybe it's Walt Williams' neck :rolleyes:

Not expecting many people to get it, but was inspired by the Mordecai Brown post.


Always good to see a GABBCFTBGB reference! :D

Steve

[BosseFieldBoy]

I'm guessing it's either a 1988 Fleer Billy Ripken FF error PSA 7 or a 1989 Upper Deck Griffey PSA 7 or even better.

[Gary Dunaier]

I'll bite, I hate him and the crap he did to the hobby I love. with all the garbage he was huckstering on shop at home.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3233/2788265640_ea331d0e24.jpg

:eek:

[clydepepper]

Always good to see a GABBCFTBGB reference! :D

Steve



Alright, Steve! I need a translation before I have to call BULL***T!

[Fballguy]

PSA 10 Gregg Jefferies rookie card (Lot of 10,000,000)

[Fballguy]

Didn't know much about these guys so did a little googling. Interesting read. Brought me across Don West. A guy I had long since forgotten. You want to feel gross...go watch his Beanie Bears video. I showered twice after that one.

[thetruthisoutthere]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3233/2788265640_ea331d0e24.jpg

:eek:

Don West!!!

I used to work the 4PM-Midnight shift back in the day and watch him on the overnight.

What a character!!!

[yanksfan09]

Don West!!!

I used to work the 4PM-Midnight shift back in the day and watch him on the overnight.

What a character!!!

Did that guy ever handle a card that wasn't a "Jim-Mint Ten" ?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Did that guy ever handle a card that wasn't a "Jim-Mint Ten" ?

Good one.

He always picked a "random" box to pull and it always had the "goodies."

[Steve D]

Alright, Steve! I need a translation before I have to call BULL***T!


The Great American Baseball Card Flipping, Trading and Bubble Gum Book by Brendan Boyd and Fred Harris.

It pictured various "common" baseball cards (and a few stars), with often humerous profiles of the players.

One of the profiles was with a picture of the 1969 Topps Walt Williams, where they said "And yes, Virginia, Walt Williams had no neck".


Steve



"Goodnight Sibby Sisti, wherever you are."

[Michael B]

Don West!!!

I used to work the 4PM-Midnight shift back in the day and watch him on the overnight.

What a character!!!

He was great at channeling Matt Foley!!!

[Fballguy]

He was great at channeling Matt Foley!!!

I'm sure...thanks to those "investments"...there are some people "living in a van down by the river!".

[Spike]

Jackie's first uniform would be great, 8 figures or not. Any key Jesse Owens items from 1936 Olympics in a private collection? Something like "complete set of gold medal USA relay team jerseys" could do it.

If it's not the Cy Young items already posted, a jersey collection of the 1919 Black Sox team?

[MVSNYC]

Based on the email, it's a singular piece, as the terms "Collectible" & "Item" were used.

[packs]

It also says sports related so it's actual relationship to sports could be looser than we're thinking.

[Snapolit1]

Also think that if it was baseball related they would have said that up front.

[vintagerookies51]

Where is everyone getting this 8 figures idea from? Didn't see any numerical value in the email... Would be awesome if it was the Jackie Robinson debut jersey. Whatever it is I doubt we will be disappointed

[CW]

Where is everyone getting this 8 figures idea from? Didn't see any numerical value in the email... Would be awesome if it was the Jackie Robinson debut jersey. Whatever it is I doubt we will be disappointed

Easy to miss, but it was from this post earlier in the thread (page 1)

Ken said on GUU it will be the first sports related item to sell for 8 figures.

[bn2cardz]

Where is everyone getting this 8 figures idea from? Didn't see any numerical value in the email... Would be awesome if it was the Jackie Robinson debut jersey. Whatever it is I doubt we will be disappointed

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=70398

We just sent out an email, read it for more information.
we are not able to disclose the item yet, however it will be the first sports related collectible to have sold for 8 figures, no question. Barring unforeseen delay in announcing, the item will be announced late next week from NYC in a press conference with the parties involved.

If you wish to consign to our October Legends auction, please contact our office now at info@goldinauctions.com
or me personally at ken@goldinauctions.com

thank you
Ken Goldin

[Steve D]

I know I mentioned earlier my guess/feeling that it would most likely be Jackie Robinson's Dodgers debut jersey, but.......

Does anyone know if Babe Ruth's rookie Red Sox jersey is known to exist?

Also, if it does exist, could it be positively identified/authenticated at this point?

Steve

[Snapolit1]

OJ's White Bronco.

[rats60]

OJ's White Bronco.

You can buy that for 1 million, not 10.

[irv]

OJ's White Bronco.

I wouldn't pay .5 cents for that!

[Snapolit1]

You can buy that for 1 million, not 10.

Goldin will buy it for a million and then announce its worth 10.

[btcarfagno]

I would be pissed if that's all it is. I'm thinking some new great item is hitting the market. Something noone even knew existed. What a kick in the crotch the f&$&ing Bronco would be.

Tom C

[Sean]

I wouldn't pay .5 cents for that!

I might buy it and melt it like his Heisman.

[Yoda]

Goldin reminds me of P.T. Barnum.

[hammer]

Is this the same Kenny Goldin who used to be a barker on shop at home years back?

[packs]

Did Elvis have any sports related moments? This is the anniversary of his death.

[rjackson44]

OJ's White Bronco.

that's in a museum lol

[Snapolit1]

http://650keni.iheart.com/content/2017-08-16-oj-simpsons-slow-speed-chase-bronco-doesnt-sell/

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://650keni.iheart.com/content/2017-08-16-oj-simpsons-slow-speed-chase-bronco-doesnt-sell/

Ebay next?

[Shoeless Moe]

Missed the episode, did they even make him an offer?

[btcarfagno]

I am hearing it's not the Bronco (thank goodness) but that it is a very significant item of historical importance.

It's tough for me to imagine a sports related items that could garner that much money. Jackie Robinson's first Dodgers Jersey is about the only item I could see getting that much.

Tom C

[Mdmtx]

I'm thinking it may be Aaron judge's pacifier.

[brianp-beme]

You can buy that for 1 million, not 10.

A true entrepreneur would buy it for 1 million and then break it down into components. For example OJ's Ford Bronco muffler, the radiator, the passenger side rear view mirror, etc. By this method one could potentially net that magic 10 million amount.

Brian

[Sean]

A true entrepreneur would buy it for 1 million and then break it down into components. For example OJ's Ford Bronco muffler, the radiator, the passenger side rear view mirror, etc. By this method one could potentially net that magic 10 million amount.

Brian

Don't give Topps any ideas. They might start including "chase used" pieces of the Bronco in their next set.

[brianp-beme]

Don't give Topps any ideas. They might start including "chase used" pieces of the Bronco in their next set.

Chase used chase cards...brilliant idea Sean!

Brian

[Davidlisa]

I was thinking something from Ruth, maybe a Baltimore uniform or something from the industrial school, maybe an early Cobb item.

[Fballguy]

An actual Curt Schilling cloned from his bloody sock.

[sycks22]

Jeter's little black book

[arcadekrazy]

Jeter's little black book



Good one! Although I don't need to spend 8 figures to be ignored by insanely good looking women.....I've always had a knack to do that for free

[Bobsbats]

Joe Jackson's 1917 World Series Ring! I've seen it......don't know if its for sale though.

[Rich Klein]

Love him or hate him, Goldin's marketing/PR is something to behold.

Much of his marketing/PR comes in conjunction with my long term hobby friend Doug Drotman who has been doing Hobby Pub for nearly 30 years now

That's a much younger Doug Drotman pictured with then San Antonio great and Hoops/Skybox Spokesman David Robinson

[robkas68]

I will end the speculation. It's my 1987 Topps Barry Larkin rookie card. All 8 figure offers are welcome.

[ctownboy]

One sports related item?

The Baseball Hall of Fame building.

David

[clydepepper]

I believe I was correct on post #9

[savedfrommyspokes]

I will end the speculation. It's my 1987 Topps Barry Larkin rookie card. All 8 figure offers are welcome.

I heard it was a massive accumulation of 1961 Topps #242 Hal Smith cards....:)

[bn2cardz]

Goldin is adding more fuel to the fire, and delaying the press conference:

Small delays , will be releasing PR. Week from today, sorry for delay .
Ps no it's not the bronco.
There are lovers and haters, and even the biggest haters will say " ok, he was right this is by far the most valuable and the most significant" 50 years from now nothing will come around that is more important to the world of sports then what we will be selling (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?p=408182#post408182)

[bobbyw8469]

The suspense is over. It is Ted Williams's head. The lab in New Mexico got tired of storing it.

[conor912]

I understand generating buzz, but isn't all this hyperbole just setting everyone up for disappointment? It's hard to get louder once you've turned it up to 11.

[Fballguy]

Morganna's implants?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I understand generating buzz, but isn't all this hyperbole just setting everyone up for disappointment? It's hard to get louder once you've turned it up to 11.

Not for Ken. :D

Whatever became of this story by the way?
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/15171202/jackie-robinson-contracts-brooklyn-dodgers-montreal-royals-set-display-valued-36-million

[WWG]

Complete set of Topps T206 Buy Backs.
Including all fraud variations.

[ullmandds]

Morganna's implants?

they were Reeeeaaaaaal!

[gnaz01]

they were Reeeeaaaaaal!

I knew it!!!!! :D:D

[Fballguy]

they were Reeeeaaaaaal!

In that case...Worth eight figures. :)

[robkas68]

I heard it was a massive accumulation of 1961 Topps #242 Hal Smith cards....:)

No that is the 9 figure auction on HA next year :):)

[Bicem]

8 figures?! Entire Babe Ruth museum including the building?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

guess we've reached the point of indifference...

[Fballguy]

What were we talking about again?

[conor912]

I just got email about a 19th century sports autograph book. I sure hope that's not it. What a let down if it is.

[Topnotchsy]

I just got email about a 19th century sports autograph book. I sure hope that's not it. What a let down if it is.

It looked they were area also announcing something tomorrow.

I don't think this could possibly be it since it looks like they are selling the pages of the ballplayers individually (unless I read it wrong.)

[CardMD]

Will the book with all the presidents be the 8 figures they are talking about? They are auctioning the baseball signatures separately.


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[Exhibitman]

Whatever it is, one thing is for sure: I won't be bidding on it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I just got email about a 19th century sports autograph book. I sure hope that's not it. What a let down if it is.

It can't possibly be, after what Ken has said about it.

[bobbyw8469]

Something about a book of members of congress....I agree...what a let down.

[prewarsports]

That autograph book looks amazing, but I dont care if you have every 19th century autograph of everyone who ever played the game, you are not getting anywhere close to eight figures. Even the rarest names have come down in the last ten years. An autograph book like that (unless there are multiple books) could hold maybe 100-200 signatures so the math is just not even close. I follow that area of the hobby quite extensively and it just does not generate the prices other stuff does with the exception of maybe 5-10 big names.

REALLY COOL though.

[hcv123]

After all the speculation - THAT is the "8 figure" lot - time will tell. As a couple have already suggested (more of a lay opinion here) - I don't see close to 8 figures - unless of course "figures" refers to 8 presidents living during the time the autograph book is from!:cool:

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showpost.php?p=408304&postcount=20

[conor912]

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showpost.php?p=408304&postcount=20

Like a joke - if you have to explain it......

[Baseball Rarities]

After all the speculation - THAT is the "8 figure" lot - time will tell. As a couple have already suggested (more of a lay opinion here) - I don't see close to 8 figures - unless of course "figures" refers to 8 presidents living during the time the autograph book is from!:cool:

That is definitely not Goldin's 8 figure announcement.

[buymycards]

Rumor is that they found a semi truckload of items that were being sold by Goldin on HSN 20 years ago. They are easily worth 8 figures.

[conor912]

Apparently he's not announcing it until September 6 now.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

There's a fine line between building anticipation, and annoying the hell out of people...

[Republicaninmass]

Hey they must do what is in the best interest for the consignor :rolleyes:

[conor912]

There's a fine line between building anticipation, and annoying the hell out of people...

Bingo!

[vintagerookies51]

The way Goldin has built this up... claiming it will hit 8 figures... there is no way we will be disappointed. It's going to be something incredible, but I have no idea what

[conor912]

The way Goldin has built this up... claiming it will hit 8 figures... there is no way we will be disappointed. It's going to be something incredible, but I have no idea what

Fact Check: Did Goldin claim it will go for 8 figures, or is that just something said in jest in this thread that has been perpetuated?

Edit: Ken said on GUU it will be the first sports related item to sell for 8 figures.

Not to discount it, but 2nd hand.

[Shoeless Moe]

I'm more interested in what the Buyers Premium will be as opposed to the item itself. Goldin is going to get a nice chunk of change.

[bn2cardz]

Fact Check: Did Goldin claim it will go for 8 figures, or is that just something said in jest in this thread that has been perpetuated?

Edit:

Not to discount it, but 2nd hand.

Nothing second hand about it. It is from Goldin himself from the forum thread you quoted earlier.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=70398

...we are not able to disclose the item yet, however it will be the first sports related collectible to have sold for 8 figures, no question.

[conor912]

Nothing second hand about it. It is from Goldin himself from the forum thread you quoted earlier.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=70398



Indeed.

[111gecko]

Sports related could be anything...my first thought was a car. Maybe first Indy 500 or NASCAR winning car?

[arcadekrazy]

Sports related could be anything...my first thought was a car. Maybe first Indy 500 or NASCAR winning car?

8 figures? If racing, would most likely be a vintage Ferrari or Porsche from one of the storied races of yesteryear.

[KingFisk]

If I was the kind of guy who had a spare $10M laying around, I can't think of any sports memorabilia item I'd want to spend it on. Unless it was something with great appreciation potential. Will be curious to see what it is, but sounds like it's going to be the sort of thing that hopefully gets displayed in a museum by the new owner.

[conor912]

If I was the kind of guy who had a spare $10M laying around, I can't think of any sports memorabilia item I'd want to spend it on. Unless it was something with great appreciation potential. Will be curious to see what it is, but sounds like it's going to be the sort of thing that hopefully gets displayed in a museum by the new owner.

That's what I was thinking. For $10M I'd rather own a Monet, but who knows....there's probably more than one billionaire out there who is sick of looking at of all his Monets.

[packs]

I bet all the guys who have been passing on auctions for decades are very excited to spend the 10M nest egg they've been saving for that must have piece.

[bn2cardz]

Sports related could be anything...my first thought was a car. Maybe first Indy 500 or NASCAR winning car?

This is what I was thinking, except a building. Maybe a childhood home, museum, or old stadium/arena.

[guy3050]

Ringside tickets to the mayweather vs mcgregor fight

[Peter_Spaeth]

If it's what I think it is, see prior post and link, and the provenance is solid, then I do think it's going to go very high. I think it potentially could attract people who don't normally buy sports memorabilia as it has a broader historical import. Whether it goes as high as Ken is predicting, remains to be seen.

[canjond]

Maybe it's the Mets franchise? I guess if you have 2 or 3 bidders who really want the team, it could hit 8 figures.

[ajquigs]

If one takes "most historically significant" seriously it suggests to me something relating to Jackie Robinson, Jesse Owens, or perhaps the birth of a major sport.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Nothing Jesse Owens would even plausibly go that high IMO.

[yanks12025]

Nothing Jesse Owens would even plausibly go that high IMO.

Plus one of his 1936 gold medals sold in 2013. And I guess heritage is supposed to have another 2 for sale eventually.

[CardMD]

The keep saying historic and national history so I keep coming back to Jackie Robinson.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

The keep saying historic and national history so I keep coming back to Jackie Robinson.


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And if I am right about which Jackie Robinson item, I think it likely would attract some wealthy bidders well beyond the usual sports memorabilia crowd and that may be why Ken is predicting such a high number.

[bn2cardz]

And if I am right about which Jackie Robinson item, I think it likely would attract some wealthy bidders well beyond the usual sports memorabilia crowd and that may be why Ken is predicting such a high number.

I know people have hyped the 1946/1947 Contracts of Robinson because non like most American Documents (ie Emancipation Proclomation, Constitution) there is only one. It still is hard to believe, though, that it would sell more than George Washington's personal, annotated, copy of the Constitution, the proposed Bill of Rights and acts of the first Congress which set a record for an American document when it sold in 2012 through Christies (Sold for 9.8 Million).

I would be interested to see where the 1946/1947 Contracts of Robinson ended up none the less and I would still watch the auction with anticipation.

[Peter_Spaeth]

In the article I posted there were holes in the provenance -- two anonymous links in the chain of custody. It will be interesting to see -- assuming I am guessing right about the item -- if Ken can plug those. Or whether authenticity will be based primarily on the document itself.

[steve B]

8 figures? If racing, would most likely be a vintage Ferrari or Porsche from one of the storied races of yesteryear.

A 250 Testa Rossa sold for 16 million in 2011.

So much for the "first sports related collectible to sell for 8 figures"

[conor912]

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[Gobucsmagic74]

In the article I posted there were holes in the provenance -- two anonymous links in the chain of custody. It will be interesting to see -- assuming I am guessing right about the item -- if Ken can plug those. Or whether authenticity will be based primarily on the document itself.

Jackie Robinson's first contract with the Brooklyn Dodgers?

[MVSNYC]

Well, if we distill down these 20 pages, seems like many of us keep circling back to the same few (historic) pieces related to Jackie Robinson, and his MLB debut (contract, uniform, etc). I guess we'll find out soon.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Unless we don't...

[Jobu]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Jackie Robinson's first contract with the Brooklyn Dodgers?

That is my guess.

[gnaz01]

That is my guess.

IF it is that, is it really an 8 figure item? Just curious......

[Baseball Rarities]

That is my guess.

I thought that you guessed a Babe Ruth uniform?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I thought that you guessed a Babe Ruth uniform?

I changed my guess after Ken mentioned historical significance, and linked an article about the Jackie contract.

[Baseball Rarities]

I changed my guess after Ken mentioned historical significance, and linked an article about the Jackie contract.

Gotcha. Did not see that.

[packs]

I bet its the pen he used to sign the contract and a branch from the original tree that became the contract.

[KingFisk]

Say, isn't that a young Branch Rickey? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170823/48aff848f8703bed81e73b98247d1845.gif

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[brianp-beme]

Rumor is that they found a semi truckload of items that were being sold by Goldin on HSN 20 years ago. They are easily worth 8 figures.

As long as there are least five zeroes at the start of the 8 figures.

Brian

[botn]

IF it is that, is it really an 8 figure item? Just curious......

Greg, I just wrote the same thing to Peter yesterday in an email. The contract would be a remarkable item but I cannot wrap my head around it being a 10 million dollar item.

[Republicaninmass]

Maybe he's including the 2 figures AFTER the decimal point?

[68Hawk]

Uncut full T206 sheet with Wagner....
If you cut it down you have a '10'.

[sycks22]

This might've been touched on, but I saw in a Heritage magazine that they're auctioning off Jackie's first jersey from his rookie year.

[ullmandds]

This might've been touched on, but I saw in a Heritage magazine that they're auctioning off Jackie's first jersey from his rookie year.

if thats what this golden goose is...no way it fetches 8 figure imo.

[hshrimps]

I think they are selling Michael Jordan's Mansion that Mike used to live at in Illinois..... North of Chicago or something

[philliesphan]

Apparently he's not announcing it until September 6 now.


September 6th is now here.



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excited

[Topnotchsy]

This might've been touched on, but I saw in a Heritage magazine that they're auctioning off Jackie's first jersey from his rookie year.

The email I got said they were auctioning a jersey used in his rookie season on Jackie Robinson day but not his first jersey (I am pretty certain but can't find the email now). They are expecting 2 million +

Edit: found link:
http://intelligentcollector.com/jackie-robinson-rookie-jersey/?ctrack=2926628&type=article2-1-intelligentcollector--dig-fall-17--tem090517

[MVSNYC]

So, is there a press conference happening now for the announcement?

[Leon]

So, is there a press conference happening now for the announcement?

Multiple probably.

[bn2cardz]

So, is there a press conference happening now for the announcement?

Today at 10EST.

we are going to be making the announcement to the world in a televised press conference at 10 am EDT Wednesday September 6th- http://www.auctionreport.com/consignment-information/goldin-auctions-october-2017-legends-auctions-news-and-consignment-deadline/

[gnaz01]

The email I got said they were auctioning a jersey used in his rookie season on Jackie Robinson day but not his first jersey (I am pretty certain but can't find the email now). They are expecting 2 million +

Edit: found link:
http://intelligentcollector.com/jackie-robinson-rookie-jersey/?ctrack=2926628&type=article2-1-intelligentcollector--dig-fall-17--tem090517

This is a Heritage article, not Goldin....

[JamesGallo]

Who in the world will be watching at 10pm. Did they say what channel this will be on?

James G

[Peter_Spaeth]

Who in the world will be watching at 10pm. Did they say what channel this will be on?

James G

Where are you getting 10 PM, it's AM.

[Leon]

Who in the world will be watching at 10pm. Did they say what channel this will be on?

James G

Your comment reminds me of a Yogi'ism. Questioning who will be watching while asking the channel? :) "No one goes there anymore it's too crowded"

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[AJR]

10AM has come and gone...

[Topnotchsy]

This is a Heritage article, not Goldin....

That is correct. I was responding to a post about a Heritage auction.

[clydepepper]

Your comment reminds me of a Yogi'ism. Questioning who will be watching while asking the channel? :) "No one goes there anymore it's too crowded"

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"What time is it, Yogi?"

"You mean now?"


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[edjs]

This kinda reminds me of Y2K, I woke up and asked if the world ended while I slept.

[Paul S]

Who in the world will be watching at 10pm. Did they say what channel this will be on?

James G

Got UHF?

[Shoeless Moe]

Maybe this?

https://goldinauctions.com/viewuserdefinedpage.aspx?pn=2017-Jackie-Robinson-Contracts-Auction

[Klrdds]

$36 million ....
Count me out .

[Peter_Spaeth]

$36 million ....
Count me out .

I will take the under on that one.

[scooter729]

I will take the under on that one.

I'll take the under on 10% of that one.

[conor912]

Yeah, contracts. Boy...he's really putting himself on the line with this one. If it comes nowhere close to $36M I would think that'd be a whole lot of egg on Goldin's face.

[CardMD]

Jackie contracts!


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[botn]

Great items but not even close to 10 million, as I stated earlier. Not the first or last time he will go out on a limb and make a fool of himself but it has obviously not hurt his ability to bring in some great consignments.

[Topnotchsy]

Yeah, contracts. Boy...he's really putting himself on the line with this one. If it comes nowhere close to $36M I would that'd be a whole lot of egg on Goldin's face.

The appraisal was from an outside party, so not sure they will look bad if it doesn't go that high. But he did say $10 million so that number is tied to him.

I think there's a chance that these are a focus of history and civil rights collectors far beyond the sports world. If that is the case, it could mean far more attention than items like Ruth items would get.

I don't see it getting $10 million, but I think it is the kind of item that has a chance... At the same time, it could also go for $1 million and I would not be surprised...

[Peter_Spaeth]

I hope that it ends up being accessible to the public.

[btcarfagno]

I will be a bit surprised if these don't get $10,000,000. It's two of the most important documents in the history of the United States.

Tom C

[Peter_Spaeth]

For reference, or not, a 1949 Jackie contract sold earlier this year for 275K or so.

[bn2cardz]

To reiterate what I put in a previous post it is hard for me to fathom they would bring more money than George Washington's personal annotated copy of the Constitution and proposed Bill of Rights, which sold for just shy of $10mil in 2012.

[gnaz01]

To reiterate what I put in a previous post it is hard for me to fathom they would bring more money than George Washington's personal annotated copy of the Constitution and proposed Bill of Rights, which sold for just shy of $10mil in 2012.

If an African-American celebrity/celebrities get into a bidding war, it could.........

[OsFan]

Wow

[Peter_Spaeth]

If an African-American celebrity/celebrities get into a bidding war, it could.........

I don't think the appeal would be limited to African-Americans.

[bn2cardz]

If an African-American celebrity/celebrities get into a bidding war, it could.........
Maybe, but even 1 of 3 senate copies of the 13th amendment brought only (relatively speaking) 2.4mil in Sotheby's last year.

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2016/two-centuries-of-american-history-n09488/lot.79.html

It isn't my job to come up with estimates, so the experts may see something I don't.

[gnaz01]

I don't think the appeal would be limited to African-Americans.

Agreed!!! Didn't mean to limit it to that.......

[btcarfagno]

Maybe, but even 1 of 3 senate copies of the 13th amendment brought only (relatively speaking) 2.4mil in Sotheby's last year.

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2016/two-centuries-of-american-history-n09488/lot.79.html

It isn't my job to come up with estimates, so the experts may see something I don't.

There is something more visceral with regard to the civil rights movement however. While the 13th amendment ended the practice of slavery, the fact that 80+ years later Jackie Robinson's introduction to professional whites only baseball was such a major event speaks to the efficacy of the 13th amendment in terms of actual civil rights in practice. These two contracts played an enormous part in pushing forward civil rights in America. They are also tied to and signed by a beloved figure in recent American history. I don't know that they will go for $10 mil. I think there is a good chance that they will if the right people know about the auction.

Tom C

[earlywynnfan]

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking: Man, those sigs would look great cut and put into a 1/1 card!!

[bn2cardz]

There is something more visceral with regard to the civil rights movement however. While the 13th amendment ended the practice of slavery, the fact that 80+ years later Jackie Robinson's introduction to professional whites only baseball was such a major event speaks to the efficacy of the 13th amendment in terms of actual civil rights in practice. These two contracts played an enormous part in pushing forward civil rights in America. They are also tied to and signed by a beloved figure in recent American history. I don't know that they will go for $10 mil. I think there is a good chance that they will if the right people know about the auction.

Tom C

I understand all of that, but you statement at the end expressing your potential doubt of the estimate is what I am talking about. These could go for 3x the 13 amendment and still not break the 10mil mark.

This is merely a thought provoking conversation as the answer will be known soon enough and we, potentially ,will have a new precedent for what an historical document could sell for.

[bn2cardz]

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking: Man, those sigs would look great cut and put into a 1/1 card!!

haha. I am sure Topps and Panini are already trying to work on their finances to get it done.

[botn]

This is merely a thought provoking conversation as the answer will be known soon enough and we, potentially ,will have a new precedent for what an historical document could sell for.

“We look forward to an electric night of bidding on November 16th, but if the right buyer comes forward before the auction and can ensure these documents will be shared with the public, we’ll certainly consider a private sale.” At which point we might never get the answer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

“We look forward to an electric night of bidding on November 16th, but if the right buyer comes forward before the auction and can ensure these documents will be shared with the public, we’ll certainly consider a private sale.” At which point we might never get the answer.

I have never heard of an auction like that, are there precedents?

To answer my own question, it looks like the same thing happened with Piazza's 9/11 jersey last year.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mike-piazzas-9-11-mets-jersey-goes-for-365k-will-be-publicly-displayed/

[botn]

I have never heard of an auction like that, are there precedents?

Glad I am not the only one to find the quote somewhat puzzling.

[btcarfagno]

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking: Man, those sigs would look great cut and put into a 1/1 card!!

That made me laugh and throw up in my mouth a little.

Tom C

[Steve D]

Jackie Robinson's first contract with the Brooklyn Dodgers organization?


Looks like you got it right!!!!!!!!!!! :)


Steve

[puckpaul]

I would rather have his first Dodgers jersey thannthe contracts. Jerseys help you feel the game and him actually playing, to me, surpasses the contracts. But that is me! Love jerseys.

[btcarfagno]

I would rather have his first Dodgers jersey thannthe contracts. Jerseys help you feel the game and him actually playing, to me, surpasses the contracts. But that is me! Love jerseys.

That was my guess....and I would agree with you. It helps the $10 mil cause that there are two super important contracts and not just one.

Tom C