Please identify this Kelley and Wagner year and type

[theshleps]

Please identify this Kelley and Wagner year and type. Thanks. I had my cards out of safe deposit box and took pictures and now trying to label
280010

280011

[JustinD]

Not sure on the Kelly, But the Wagner looks as it is one of those white cuts that turn up that resemble a copy of a 1977 Jim Rowe 4 on 1.

I personally believe these are cut from exhibits that were given away at a show. I have heard these reprints are from 1980, but have not seen firm evidence. I do not consider them old enough to have been around for Honus to have signed. The Rowes were 3 1/4 by 5 1/2, so if yours is anywhere near half that (1 5/8 x 2 3/4 roughly with that cut) you have a partial exhibit. Your's looks as it will be larger as it was cut with all the borders up to the neighboring photos. Maybe closer to 2x3".


https://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/4024/21087473/Traynor%2C%20Wagner%2C%20Waner%2C%20Waner.jpg

[h2oya311]

The George Kelly appears to be a 1925-31 W590.

[Exhibitman]

Kelly: W590, no opinion on the signature
Wagner: 1977 Jim Rowe with a fake autograph.

[theshleps]

Thanks. Got a full PSA on the Wagner. I guess I gotta try to get a refund though I got int 4 years ago from RR

[JeremyW]

At least your copy is not yellow. I looked and couldn't find anything that was period. Maybe post it in the autograph section. There are some experts over there.

[Exhibitman]

If this is a cut from a Rowe card, it doesn't matter if the geniuses at PSA gave it a full cert--it is an anachronism. Wags died 22 years before Rowe issued his set. Now, I've never seen a Rowe card except in yellow but I've also never seen that particular 4 on 1 Wagner except on a Rowe card. If I had to bet on it I'd rather wager that the posted item is a reprint of the Rowe card with a fake autograph than some undiscovered issue predating Wagner's death.

[theshleps]

I hold alittle hope (as I have never seen it with a white background) that is it an original pre death card but as everyone says- it matches the picture in the 1977 Rowe and was cut probably from a 4 on 1. Sig looks like it is a later signature. if the sig is fake there are probably many other fake late in life Wagners slabbed out there, unfortunately.
I doubt RR will refund my $ since it has a full PSA and no one has found a white version of the card to prove the claim
I had already posted in the autograph section. Responses were similar.
Sometimes I hate autograph collecting when stuff like this happens.