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KMayUSA6060
06-23-2017, 10:33 AM
... and it's shaping up to be an interesting one.

As an Indians fan, I'll be watching very closely. Not only could the Tribe add a SP, the AL Central could be in full blown fire sale mode. Tigers (Verlander, JD, etc.), Royals (everyone), and even the Twins (Ervin Santana has been rumored to be on the block).

I'm hoping the Indians make a run at CC Sabathia.

What rumors are you hearing regarding the MLB trade deadline? Who are you hoping your team picks up?

packs
06-23-2017, 11:27 AM
I'm hoping someone trades for CC too. The Yankees are in a great position this year to drop some dead weight, although CC has been good last season and this one till he got hurt. Also hoping the Yankees can unload Gardner before he walks. Would be nice to see them pick up another bullpen arm now that Clippard is so unreliable.

KMayUSA6060
06-23-2017, 11:32 AM
I'm hoping someone trades for CC too. The Yankees are in a great position this year to drop some dead weight, although CC has been good last season and this one till he got hurt. Also hoping the Yankees can unload Gardner before he walks. Would be nice to see them pick up another bullpen arm now that Clippard is so unreliable.

What do you think the Yanks would require for CC? And would they be willing to eat some of that contract?

packs
06-23-2017, 11:50 AM
Being that he's a free agent next year and the season would be more than half over, I don't think they'd be willing to eat any of the contract. If I were the Yankees I'd be looking at a bullpen arm like McAllister.

KMayUSA6060
06-23-2017, 12:47 PM
Being that he's a free agent next year and the season would be more than half over, I don't think they'd be willing to eat any of the contract. If I were the Yankees I'd be looking at a bullpen arm like McAllister.

I'll give you Shaw AND McAllister. I hate them both.

ooo-ribay
06-27-2017, 09:25 PM
Giants fire sale!

Hoping Cueto, Pence and Melancon find new homes.

Belt, if we can get something good.

Conflicted on Samardzija.

KCRfan1
06-27-2017, 10:41 PM
The Royals are going to be buyers. Many of us in KC believe the team is in first by the all star game.

clydepepper
06-28-2017, 06:32 AM
I guess I'm just getting older, but it sure seems like the trade deadline date got here a lot quicker this year.

Almost half the 'new' season is already in the rearview mirror. :(

KMayUSA6060
06-28-2017, 02:24 PM
Giants fire sale!

Hoping Cueto, Pence and Melancon find new homes.

Belt, if we can get something good.

Conflicted on Samardzija.

Where do you think each of them will end up?

The Royals are going to be buyers. Many of us in KC believe the team is in first by the all star game.

We'll see about that. I'm surprised at how tight the AL Central is (my damn Indians can't seem to get over the hump), and that KC is still in the hunt. Would they be buyers even with the contract situation this offseason?

I guess I'm just getting older, but it sure seems like the trade deadline date got here a lot quicker this year.

Almost half the 'new' season is already in the rearview mirror. :(

This year in general is FLYING by.

KCRfan1
06-28-2017, 04:50 PM
Kyle,

KC will be buyers even with the contract situation looming with 4 players or more.

However, KC needs to right the ship and take the next 2 games from Detroit.

There will be no playoff team from the Central, only the Division winner.

Who is KC looking at? Jay Bruce and JD Martinez. Bruce was heavily rumored to be coming to KC back in 14 I believe. Another SP, or lights out reliever should be in the mix.

Detroit is in full sell mode. My guess is anyone on that team can be had, excluding Verlander and Fulmer.

Cleveland needs to get pitching figured out, and should buy.

Twins are still young, but need to make a splash in FA with an arm.

Sox are in full rebuild mode, and will sell off Quintana and Frazier.

KC doesn't have much left in the farm system, but there are some nice players there. So they aren't dry yet, but close.

Where is KC's FA going?

Hosmer is sooooooooo gone. He has NOTHING keeping him here. No family, no wife and kids. This guy is single with a couple of girls in each MLB town and then some. KC drafted his replacement this past draft.

Hosmer goes to the Yankees. Greg Bird is injury prone and can't stay on the field. This is an easy flight for Hosmer's family in FL. I suppose EH could go to the Marlins, but they have Bour who has more power, and just as young. So he would have to be traded I guess if that happens. Hosmer's game doesn't translate well to Miami. His numbers would suffer quite a bit. A wild card could be the Rockies. They have a BIG need at 1st.

Escobar is gone too, for different reasons than Hosmer. Escobar is horrible at the plate. Nice glove, but Escobar is one of the worst offensive players in the game. Besides, KC has a replacement in Mondesi.

Moose is the player KC will try hardest to sign. He's getting some roots in KC being married and a new dad. His wife is actively involved in the community. Potential problems though are that Mike and the wife are BOTH from SoCal. So, the Angels are a great fit if KC can't or won't pony up. KC could use Cheslor Cuthbert at third is they lose Moose. It would be KC like to find a retread for 3rd though and 1st as well.

Cain will try to be signed by KC on the cheap. He usually gets hurt and misses 20 or so games a year. Plus he's 31 and I don't believe the money is there for him. Cain bats 3rd in KC lineup, and that's not a typical spot for his style of offense. A more potent offense, and he's batting lower. Cain's married with a couple of kids and lives in Norman, OK. That's an easy drive to KC. Anywhere else, and he's flying home.

The GM, Dayton Moore, has REALLY blown it signing Alex Gordon to a " lifetime " contract. That money could have been used now.

Just my 2 cents worth.....

packs
06-29-2017, 08:22 AM
I don't know how much interest the Yankees would have in Hosmer. Tyler Austin plays first base too and in my opinion it's way too early to give up on Bird.

KMayUSA6060
06-29-2017, 08:51 AM
So the owners are going to respect the fans and go down swinging? That's interesting. Usually a small-market team would trade off their soon-to-be-departing-FAs to retool and restock the farm system. I can definitely respect an owner not giving up on the season and giving the fans competitive baseball!

Jason Vargas was a potential target for the Indians about a month ago, but KC's resurgence and Cleveland's lack of put-away victories have probably taken Vargas off the market, at least to Cleveland. I don't know who we'll get or what we'll do, but this isn't Shapiro's Indians anymore. They'll most likely make a splash or two. We need a SP and BP help. I'd love to see us unload Carlos Santana to a sucker team.

I'm excited to see the Tigers sell everyone off. Same with the Tigers and Quintana/Frazier, although these Frazier-to-the-Red-Sox rumors need to stop.

It's going to be a 3-way battle for the AL Central between the Indians, Twins, and Royals. It's going to be interesting to see who does what.

packs
06-29-2017, 08:52 AM
Hosmer's a free agent after this season. After the Yankees refused to part with prospects last year and over the off season, I can't see why they'd change their mind now. They had said all along they were playing for a play off spot this year so I don't think anything has changed re: trading prospects for a rental.

KCRfan1
06-29-2017, 07:28 PM
As long as KC is close and in the race, they will not move players. If they fall out of contention, they'll move players.

The Yankees have no need to move prospects. I think Hosmer is made for Yankee stadium, and Boras will pitch NY to sign Hosmer as a FA.

It's not boring in KC when it comes to the Royals.

EvilKing00
07-01-2017, 07:52 AM
Mets should be sellers, though u never know.....

Duda and bruce should both be dealt. Both having good years both free agents next year.

58pinson
07-01-2017, 05:35 PM
Not so sure on the Mets being sellers - maybe. But with Matz seeming to have come back pitching well and DeGroom getting straightened out lately maybe they have enough to hang in there for a wild card run. They'll need one of the top three Western teams to go cold, but they have to knock heads against each other and stranger things have happened. They definitely need pen help and I don't know where they might get it. I think, baring the totally unexpected, that Washington is a gone team for the division.

cardsfan73
07-01-2017, 07:49 PM
Going to be interesting to see what the Cardinals do after the front office moves.

To be honest I really don't think this is a very good team & I feel like the team has tied their hands a bit with some bad contracts. I really did not like the Dexter Fowler signing at all. Cecil was kind of questionable too. Don't get me started on the $5.5 million we are paying Zach Duke.

I wouldn't mind seeing what they can get for Lance Lynn, Trevor Rosenthal & Seung-Hwan Oh. Also wouldn't mind seeing what they might be able to get for Matt Carpenter.

If Grichuk gets hot and some one makes us a stupid offer for him I would be fine with that too. At this point I think he is what he is as a hitter. A guy that hits the ball a long way when he makes contact but that's a BIG if. We are talking about a guy that averages a sub .300 on base % and 166 Ks per 162 games played.


Wainwright & Fowler both have no trade clauses and pretty big contracts that don't match their production so they are not going anywhere.


It's been a struggle to watch them this year as they play really sloppy defense & are horrible on the base paths. Not a huge Matheny fan either.

KCRfan1
07-01-2017, 08:16 PM
Scott,

Your season might be a bit different if Reyes wasn't hurt. Bad defense and poor base running certainly sets a team back.

cardsfan73
07-01-2017, 08:21 PM
I think even if Reyes is healthy we are still in the same spot. I don't see them letting him pitch that many innings his rookie year.

And I don't want to seem like I am complaining, I love this team and stick with them through good & bad. Thankfully there has been a lot more good than bad!

At this point I just don't think we have a very good team and I would rather see them re-tool/re-build and give some of the kids a chance. We do have a lot of strong pitching in the minors and a few exciting position players too.

KCRfan1
07-01-2017, 10:01 PM
I am a huge fan of Jack Flaherty.

KMayUSA6060
07-13-2017, 09:35 AM
And the first domino falls. Per MLB Trade Rumors...

Cubs Acquire Jose Quintana
By Jeff Todd | July 13, 2017 at 10:27am CDT

In a stunning development, the Cubs have acquired lefty Jose Quintana from the crosstown rival White Sox, per club announcements. Top prospects Eloy Jimenez and Dylan Cease are going in return, with first baseman Matt Rose and infielder Bryant Flete also included in the package.

BengoughingForAwhile
07-13-2017, 11:17 AM
And the first domino falls. Per MLB Trade Rumors...

Cubs Acquire Jose Quintana
By Jeff Todd | July 13, 2017 at 10:27am CDT

In a stunning development, the Cubs have acquired lefty Jose Quintana from the crosstown rival White Sox, per club announcements. Top prospects Eloy Jimenez and Dylan Cease are going in return, with first baseman Matt Rose and infielder Bryant Flete also included in the package.

Good trade for both teams. Cubs needed a quality starter right now and the White Sox are building a great farm system. Cubs already have an abundance of young outfielders (Almora, Happ, Schwarber) but Jimenez could be a stud in the not to distant future.

KMayUSA6060
07-13-2017, 12:00 PM
I know the Cubs needed help, but this is two years in a row they have PAID for it. I'm just glad Quintana is out of the Central and American League altogether, as an Indians fan.

packs
07-13-2017, 02:26 PM
Haha I love this Dead Spin headline re: the Reddit users who broke the Jose Quintana trade:

http://deadspin.com/katyperrysbootyhole-and-wetbutt23-broke-the-jose-quinta-1796888271

clydepepper
07-13-2017, 04:41 PM
Pretty Funny:

KatyPerrysBootyHole is both the Woodward and the Bernstein of our generation, and wetbutt23 is our Deep Throat.

KCRfan1
07-14-2017, 10:44 AM
My worst fears for the Royals are happening.

They're 3 or 4 games out of first, and in a serious hunt for the wild card. The mentality for now is, keep the band together for one last run. This team needed to be leading the division by 8 games, or out of it by 8 games. Instead, they're just close enough, but out of reach in my opinion.

KC needs to sell at this point, or risk losing their FA's.

KMayUSA6060
07-14-2017, 11:03 AM
My worst fears for the Royals are happening.

They're 3 or 4 games out of first, and in a serious hunt for the wild card. The mentality for now is, keep the band together for one last run. This team needed to be leading the division by 8 games, or out of it by 8 games. Instead, they're just close enough, but out of reach in my opinion.

KC needs to sell at this point, or risk losing their FA's.

They need to take a page out of the White Sox book and sell now to start that rebuild. White Sox farm system is STRONG now.

KCRfan1
07-14-2017, 11:19 AM
I am on board with that Kyle.

Our farm clubs are not that good....

packs
07-14-2017, 12:14 PM
Pineda goes down today. I hope that means the Yankees promote Chance Adams rather than complete a knee-jerk trade. At least Quintana is off the market. I did not want him.

cardsfan73
07-14-2017, 09:25 PM
Pineda goes down today. I hope that means the Yankees promote Chance Adams rather than complete a knee-jerk trade. At least Quintana is off the market. I did not want him.

I am sorry to see Pineda go down.. But my hope is they do go for a knee-jerk reaction and offer my Cardinals some prospects for Lance Lynn!

I am ready for the Cardinals to not be a seller per say, but make some deals that put more focus on the future rather than the now. This is just isn't a very good baseball team this year and I think we burdened with a couple of bad contracts.

I was not a fan of the Fowler signing in the off season as he has shown not to be very durable. He has only played a 140+ games in a season twice. That and he really was not much of a defensive upgrade. Seems like a good guy and a great character guy for the club house though. He is signed at $16,500,000 per year through 2021. I fear this signing is going to end up looking like the Jhonny Peralta deal deal were we got 2 years of solid production but the final 2 years we didn't get squat & gave him the ol' DFA.

Hopefully they can get something for Lynn, Oh & Rosenthal as they all are free agents at the end of the year. If not maybe give Lynn a qualifying offer and see if we can at least end up with a draft pick out of it.

I would have no issues with them dealing some of the veterans (Wainwright, Carpenter, Cecil etc) if we could fleece some desperate contenders GM for some serious hitting prospects. Feel like the team is loaded with Pitching prospects but I really don't see an impact 3-4 hole hitter in the system at this time.

I am hoping we don't part with any of the kids as they have been the lone bright spot so far this season.

Jim65
07-15-2017, 08:00 AM
There are rumors the Astros are trying to trade for Jacob de Grom, if the Mets consider this and don't get Springer or Correa in return, Alderson should be fired.

EvilKing00
07-15-2017, 11:47 AM
There are rumors the Astros are trying to trade for Jacob de Grom, if the Mets consider this and don't get Springer or Correa in return, Alderson should be fired.

we would NEVER get coria or springer in return...

BUT the astros have many great players in the minors. Fisher & tucker to just name my 2 favorites

bravos4evr
07-15-2017, 08:31 PM
There are rumors the Astros are trying to trade for Jacob de Grom, if the Mets consider this and don't get Springer or Correa in return, Alderson should be fired.

a package built around Kyle Tucker should make you happy, that guy is going to be a star.

KMayUSA6060
07-17-2017, 06:58 AM
Question for Pirates fans...

Is your organization still interested in moving McCutchen? Would they be interested in trading Cole and McCutchen to my Indians? :)

packs
07-17-2017, 07:39 AM
If the Mets could swing a de Grom for Bregman trade I think that would be pretty good for them.

KCRfan1
07-17-2017, 07:25 PM
KC getting hammered by detroit. 6-0, third inning. My Royals are on their way to 1-3 after the break, yet they believe they're in it. Just wait, KC will hang around just close enough to contend, and miss. We'll be left with NOTHING once Hosmer, Cain, and moose leave. KC needs to pull the trigger and get something. Vargas has great value for now, but another shelling and his value drops badly. Nice, Hosmer just swung for a ball outside and in the dirt.

DON'T GET ME STARTED!

KCRfan1
07-18-2017, 06:02 AM
It appears the oft injured Greg Bird is dealing with an injury AGAIN, and will have ankle surgery.

I expect to see Hosmer in pinstripes in 2018, if not sooner. Cashman loves Bird, but Bird can't stay on the field to make a difference, and !B play for NY has been horrible this season.

No way does Boston trade for Frazier. Deavers is tearing it up, and will be in the show soon. They have to play the kid. He's better than any option the Sox have.

KMayUSA6060
07-18-2017, 12:58 PM
Sounds like Yonder Alonso could be on his way to the Big Apple. Yankees need 1B help, and Alonso would provide that.

KCRfan1
07-18-2017, 01:02 PM
If that's true Kyle, it will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure of being a Yankee and in a major market. Some players can't handle big markets after being in small markets with apathetic fans.

KMayUSA6060
07-18-2017, 02:16 PM
If that's true Kyle, it will be interesting to see how he handles the pressure of being a Yankee and in a major market. Some players can't handle big markets after being in small markets with apathetic fans.

The Yankees are also asking on Lucas Duda and Addison Reed.

I'm surprised there aren't more moves happening at this point. I understand some teams are still deciding if they should sell or not, but there are other teams that could use the extra week or 2 to start making a move in the standings.

KMayUSA6060
07-18-2017, 06:12 PM
JD Martinez has been traded to the DBacks.

As an Indians fan, this is like Christmas. Glad he's out of the Central and AL as a whole.

cardsfan73
07-18-2017, 10:08 PM
The White Sox and Yankees have agreed to a blockbuster deal that’ll send Todd Frazier, David Robertson and Tommy Kahnle to New York in exchange for outfield prospect Blake Rutherford, left-handed pitching prospect Ian Clarkin, outfield prospect Tito Polo and veteran right-hander Tyler Clippard. The White Sox have formally announced the deal.

Thoughts?

The Yankees certainly have one hell of a bullpen!

KCRfan1
07-18-2017, 11:10 PM
The arms are the prize, not Frazier, who will kill more rallies than he starts. NY gave up a ton, and I am not sure it was worth it. Better players could have been had than Frazier, perhaps for less. But we'll never know.

Boston is kinda the winner. Now they can being up Devers, who's better than anyone the BoSox could have traded for.

KCRfan1
07-18-2017, 11:12 PM
JD Martinez has been traded to the DBacks.

As an Indians fan, this is like Christmas. Glad he's out of the Central and AL as a whole.

That's a nasty lineup in AZ.

packs
07-19-2017, 07:12 AM
I'm really bummed about the Yankees trading Rutherford. I think he's going to be a star. I guess it's nice they have control over Kahnle and Robertson for a few more years though.

KCRfan1
07-19-2017, 09:10 AM
PACKS,

It's a win now mentality. IMO, this only works if the team wins it all. Anything short, is a bust. I don't see NY winning it all. Other players might have been available without giving up what they did.

packs
07-19-2017, 09:34 AM
My main issue with it is that the deal can't possibly be built around Frazier, he's a half season rental that costs more than Carter, who you cut twice. So that must mean that the Yankees essentially traded MLB's #37 ranked prospect for 2 relief pitchers, one of which they could have signed when they entered free agency but declined to do so.

KMayUSA6060
07-19-2017, 10:17 AM
The White Sox and Yankees have agreed to a blockbuster deal that’ll send Todd Frazier, David Robertson and Tommy Kahnle to New York in exchange for outfield prospect Blake Rutherford, left-handed pitching prospect Ian Clarkin, outfield prospect Tito Polo and veteran right-hander Tyler Clippard. The White Sox have formally announced the deal.

Thoughts?

The Yankees certainly have one hell of a bullpen!

What's interesting is that they traded for a 3B to play 1B possibly.

BengoughingForAwhile
07-19-2017, 10:31 AM
Rick Hahn is kickin ass! The White Sox now have 10 of the top 68 prospects in baseball. Next to go will be Melky.

cardsfan73
07-19-2017, 10:07 PM
I'm really bummed about the Yankees trading Rutherford. I think he's going to be a star. I guess it's nice they have control over Kahnle and Robertson for a few more years though.

The Yankees are a much better team now than they were before the trade. The bull pen is stacked & despite Fraziers low batting avg he is still driving in runs and hitting bombs. Dude is just a year removed from a 40 homer/98 RBI season.

I look at it as them fixing a weakness ( I think they keep him at 3rd, which has not been a productive position for the Yankees recently). Sure Rutherford is a highly touted prospect but you had some depth in the outfield.. With Judge & Clint Frazier you have two young studs. Ellsbury & Gardner give you a nice veteran presence and if Hicks comes back healthy you are still stacked in the outfield. Plus the Yanks will probably sign Bryce Harper in a couple years :)

If my Cardinals were in the same position the Yankees are in right now and they made this trade I would be thrilled with the deal.

KMayUSA6060
07-20-2017, 07:23 AM
Indians need bullpen help and a bat. Rumors are they are scouting Eduardo Nunez, who killed them in SF this week.

I'd LOVE to see them go after Britton, but have no idea what the asking price is. I'd also like to see them try to deal for Marcell Ozuna and JT Realmuto or the Braves' Catcher.

blackandgold
07-20-2017, 08:56 AM
Question for Pirates fans...

Is your organization still interested in moving McCutchen? Would they be interested in trading Cole and McCutchen to my Indians? :)

I have not heard any rumors about Cole lately, although, I think we all know that if he isn't traded at some point, he's gone when his contract is up.

As for McCutchen, I'm not so sure that they can sell that one to the fan base (or his teammates) now. Last offseason, maybe. They're still in the thick of a pennant race in a seemingly winnable division, they just got Marte back, and Cutch has been on fire for two months, not to mention he's the face of the franchise, and a great guy.

D. Bergin
07-20-2017, 11:49 AM
I am a little annoyed by the recent Sports reporting narrative which seems to constantly drive home the idea that all pro teams need to either be sure they're going to win it all, or race as fast to the bottom as they can in order to rebuild.

Hell, I keep on reading how Lebron should just leave Cleveland again because there's no way the Cavaliers can surround him with enough pieces to beat Golden State. Ridiculous!

Yeah, like 30 other teams and every player on each one of those teams should feel the same way..... :rolleyes:

KMayUSA6060
07-20-2017, 12:26 PM
Indians are interested in Jay Bruce. That would help bolster the lineup, and I don't think it would cost an arm and a leg.

Edit: Bruce isn't in the lineup today for the Mets. Is that correct? Can someone confirm? Any news on this from Mets fans? Day off, matchup lineup, or is he being moved?

egri
07-20-2017, 09:03 PM
Indians are interested in Jay Bruce. That would help bolster the lineup, and I don't think it would cost an arm and a leg.

Edit: Bruce isn't in the lineup today for the Mets. Is that correct? Can someone confirm? Any news on this from Mets fans? Day off, matchup lineup, or is he being moved?

Bruce was not in the lineup today.

cardsfan73
07-21-2017, 02:05 PM
Cardinals & Mariners swap prospects.

"The Mariners have acquired left-hander Marco Gonzales from the Cardinals in exchange for minor league outfielder Tyler O’Neill, as per a Mariners press release."

Gonzales is a former first round pick in 2013 & coming off Tommy John Surgery. Has showed some good stuff when healthy.

O'Niell gives the Cardinals something they don't have in the system, a legit power bat. Love the power but looking at the low average & high strike outs has me worried he could just be Randal Grichuk 2.0. Would love to hear what those who know more about O'Niell think of him.

Some of the local sprorts guys (newspaper & radio) are thinking this might be part of another deal in the works because the Cardinals were already pretty deep in the outfield. A lot of then are saying (wishing) the Cardinals would put together a package to send to the Marlins for Stanton.

Speaking of Randal they just added him back to the 25 man roster and also added Zach Duke & re-called Carson Kelly. Excited to see how Kelly does this year as he is the heir apparent to Yodier Molina.

KMayUSA6060
07-24-2017, 05:28 PM
Royals just added Cahill, Maurer, Buchter from the Padres.

Twins Garcia trade went through today.

packs
07-24-2017, 06:14 PM
They keep circulating the rumor that the Yankees might be interested in Stanton. I admit the thought of a Stanton / Judge line up is nuts but I would have to think the price would be steep. Plus you take on all that owed money.

KCRfan1
07-24-2017, 10:46 PM
I yawned about the Royals trade. However, this is their M.O. SP goes 5 innings, then the pen takes over. This approach may work for a year or two, but the pen is heavily taxed. A huge problem for KC is they don't have much in the farm to trade. So a big splash isn't likely to happen. KC needs to reel off a 15 game winning streak and get out of this 2 or 3 game behind the division leader, or tied up in a wildcard race. I believe they need to be sellers. NY would pay handsomely for Hosmer. Frazier in N.Y. is a huge mistake by Cashman in what was given up.

cardsfan73
07-25-2017, 01:02 AM
I yawned about the Royals trade. However, this is their M.O. SP goes 5 innings, then the pen takes over. This approach may work for a year or two, but the pen is heavily taxed. A huge problem for KC is they don't have much in the farm to trade. So a big splash isn't likely to happen. KC needs to reel off a 15 game winning streak and get out of this 2 or 3 game behind the division leader, or tied up in a wildcard race. I believe they need to be sellers. NY would pay handsomely for Hosmer. Frazier in N.Y. is a huge mistake by Cashman in what was given up.

I think they are hoping they can get one last run before they lose all the free agents. I wish them luck and I wouldn't mind seeing another World Series coming to the state of Missouri!

I understand your feeling about wanting them to be sellers. I feel the same way about the Cardinals this year. So many fans & local sports talking heads think this team still has a chance at the playoffs and I just don't see it. There are just so many flaws with the roster. Even if we could trade for the big bat we need (every one here wants Stanton, Stanton doesn't want us from reports I read!) that does not fix the horrible team defense and the miserable bullpen. I say sell the pending free agents for some prospects and pray that someone would be willing to take Matt Carpenter and his contract off your hands. Re-tool and bring up some of the kids. I have been watching Cardinal baseball since 1981 and other than the last few years that the brewery owned the team (and didn't give a rats ass about it) this is the worst Cardinal team I have ever seen.

KCRfan1
07-25-2017, 05:33 AM
I would love another I-70 Series!

The Front Office wants to keep the guys together for one last gig.

What I believe is going to happen is the team will stay close and just miss the post season. KC will end up with NOTHING, and should cost Dayton Moore his job. Post Series, he's been a terrible GM. Prior to, he was excellent. He never should have signed Gordon to what amounts to a lifetime contract, and the biggest mistake now is overestimating the team. This will set them back 10 years.

Some players on the team have tremendous value now, and rebuilding the farm is opportune right now. The White Sox have done this.

The Cards should sell too.

And you couldn't pay me to take Stanton. The Fish don't want him either, and they're the ones who signed him to that crazy contract.

KMayUSA6060
07-25-2017, 06:40 AM
I would love another I-70 Series!

The Front Office wants to keep the guys together for one last gig.

What I believe is going to happen is the team will stay close and just miss the post season. KC will end up with NOTHING, and should cost Dayton Moore his job. Post Series, he's been a terrible GM. Prior to, he was excellent. He never should have signed Gordon to what amounts to a lifetime contract, and the biggest mistake now is overestimating the team. This will set them back 10 years.

Some players on the team have tremendous value now, and rebuilding the farm is opportune right now. The White Sox have done this.

The Cards should sell too.

And you couldn't pay me to take Stanton. The Fish don't want him either, and they're the ones who signed him to that crazy contract.

Hey, at least you guys won after your trade. The Twins trade a pitching prospect, and proceed to lose, dropping 3.5 back of my Tribe. Haha.

In response to the bold part, the Fish are literally using Stanton to keep the value of the team inflated. And really, it's not a bad squad. They are a couple players away from making a real run at the playoffs, if not the World Series. But they have the worst owner in sports.

KMayUSA6060
07-26-2017, 09:04 AM
Red Sox acquired Eduardo Nunez.

KCRfan1
07-26-2017, 12:25 PM
I was surprised at the trade. Devers is better than anyone the Sox could have picked up. Let the kid play.

KMayUSA6060
07-26-2017, 02:57 PM
I was surprised at the trade. Devers is better than anyone the Sox could have picked up. Let the kid play.

Nunez seems like an insurance policy in case Devers doesn't produce at the Major League level.

And hey, KCRfan1, would your team end their 7 game winning streak already? I'm trying to put some games into you, but it's hard when we have a 5 game winning streak and you have a 7. Haha.

KCRfan1
07-26-2017, 05:08 PM
No.

KMayUSA6060
07-27-2017, 07:51 AM
Twins are rumored to have become sellers, and are possibly looking to move Jaime Garcia and Ervin Santana.

Royals are rumored to be interested in Francisco Liriano.

packs
07-31-2017, 01:13 PM
Yankees traded for Gray. Really bummed. They gave up 2 injured prospects and Jorge Mateo, but I think Dustin Fowler and James Kapreilian will bounce back and be pretty good.

cardsfan73
07-31-2017, 06:23 PM
Yankees loaded up and are making a run. They beefed up the rotation and still have plenty of good young talent on the major league team and in the minors.

Not a Yankee fan but I would say they have done the most to improve their team since the All-Star break.

Dodgers look strong as long as Kershaw can get healthy for the playoffs. Adding Darvish gives them a solid #2 behind Kershaw and they added to their bullpen. Could be tough to beat. Rumor has it Darvish will re-sign with the Rangers in the off season.. Kind of similar to what happened last year w/ Chapman & the Yankees.

The Nationals over hauled their bullpen which they needed to do, but they still don't have anyone that scares me, that shut down type guy. Is their bullpen better than it was before the all star break? Yes, but I still don't know if it's good enough.

Diamondbacks made their big move early and so far J.D. Matinez is looking like a great fit for them.

Rockies add Lucroy who has been miserable this year but maybe his bat wakes up at Coors.

Mets get A.J. Ramos and ship Addison Reed to the Red Sox (Fantasy team lost a closer out of this, I fear a trend is starting)

Cubs get a nice piece Justin Wilson (and I lost another closer on my fantasy team..damn you Cubs.) and depth at catcher w/ Alex Avilla. Maybe now they have a back up catcher who won't cry about pitchers not holding runners..

Royals look they are going to give it one last run before they go into rebuild mode. Adding Cahill & Mauer were nice moves and Melky isn't a bad player either. Good luck Royals, bring another World Series title back to Missouri!

Astros get Liriano from the Jays and from what I understand they are going to put him in the bullpen. Interesting.


Kind of shocked the Indians didn't do much.



My Cardinals? Did nothing but I am fine with that if they didn't get any offers for Lynn, OH & others that felt were worth it. I am just glad we didn't give up any of the kids for a rental or even a key player that could help. There are just to many problems with this team & I feel like it's going to be a few years before they are a playoff contender again.


So how do you all feel about moves your team did or didn't make?

D. Bergin
07-31-2017, 06:29 PM
Yankees traded for Gray. Really bummed. They gave up 2 injured prospects and Jorge Mateo, but I think Dustin Fowler and James Kapreilian will bounce back and be pretty good.

As a Yankee fan, I don't mind the Gray trade, but I hated the Jaime Garcia pickup. They gave up two nice minor league arms for a mediocre rental. Littell was a young arm putting up some impressive numbers in the minors.

cardsfan73
07-31-2017, 06:39 PM
As a Yankee fan, I don't mind the Gray trade, but I hated the Jaime Garcia pickup. They gave up two nice minor league arms for a mediocre rental. Littell was a young arm putting up some impressive numbers in the minors.


Have fun w/ Jaime! He will frustrate the hell out of you!! I don't know how many times I watched him pitch 4-5 innings of dominant baseball and then implode around the 6th. Probably the reason he has been traded 3 times since December of last year!

I still think your Yankees can make a real run at it this year!!

KCRfan1
07-31-2017, 10:41 PM
KC should have been sellers, now they'll get nothing when Hosmer and Moose leave. Add in Vargas, and KC could have rebuilt a depleted farm system.

KMayUSA6060
08-01-2017, 07:13 AM
Kind of shocked the Indians didn't do much.

So how do you all feel about moves your team did or didn't make?

The market was stupid this year. The Indians tried to do something, but Darvish wouldn't waive his no trade clause to Cleveland. Zach Britton's price tag was an arm, leg, and a right nut, while Brad Hand's price tag was the other arm, other leg, and a left nut.

Joe Smith is putting up some very solid numbers this year, the best of his career. We loved him when he was in Cleveland before, and are glad to be getting him back. He helps bolster the pen from a RH standpoint, and spells Shaw from appearing as much (thank goodness; hate Shaw). He's also married to Allie LaForce, a local sports sideline reporter who went national with CBS. She's gorgeous and a nice consolation prize since the Tigers took Kate Upton... errr... Justin Verlander off the market.

The Tribe will be more active during the waiver trading period. They would like to add a LH arm in the pen I'd assume, and a bench bat.


The Dodgers made a lot of moves, but did they really get better? Darvish is having a pretty sub-par year, and the two lefties they got have quite a few flaws.

The Yankees won the day with the Gray trade. We'll see how their lineup holds up the rest of the season.

The Royals made some sneaky good moves recently, but I do think they should have sold - unless there is some confirmation that maybe these guys might stay.

I'm surprised the Pirates didn't move more pieces like Cutch or Cole.

Overall, I thought it was a pretty uneventful trade deadline.

D. Bergin
08-01-2017, 10:50 AM
Have fun w/ Jaime! He will frustrate the hell out of you!! I don't know how many times I watched him pitch 4-5 innings of dominant baseball and then implode around the 6th. Probably the reason he has been traded 3 times since December of last year!

I still think your Yankees can make a real run at it this year!!


I'm guessing they took that into consideration when they traded for him. Yankees really only need their starters to go 5 innings or so (sometimes less), with the bullpen they've put together.

I also wonder if they might have backed off in acquiring him if they had made the Sonny Gray trade earlier.

cardsfan73
08-01-2017, 10:53 AM
I'm guessing they took that into consideration when they traded for him. Yankees really only need their starters to go 5 innings or so (sometimes less), with the bullpen they've put together.

I also wonder if they might have backed off in acquiring him if they had made the Sonny Gray trade earlier.

Very valid point on the 5 inning thing, The Yankees have one hell of a bullpen!

bravos4evr
08-01-2017, 01:28 PM
The Dodgers made a lot of moves, but did they really get better? Darvish is having a pretty sub-par year, and the two lefties they got have quite a few flaws.



Darvish is 18th in starter fWAR and striking out nearly 10/ 9 innings. I wish my pitchers could have such subpar years!

KMayUSA6060
08-09-2017, 10:09 PM
Indians acquire Jay Bruce for Low A Ball pitching prospect Ryder Ryan.

Helluva move by the Tribe.

cardsfan73
08-09-2017, 10:24 PM
After all my negative post about the Cardinals and their sloppy play this year, stating they have no chance to make the playoffs....

Tonight our season was saved, tonight we had the Rally Cat!!

In 2011 the Rally Squirrel appeared twice in the Division Series and we went on to win it all!

Tonight the Cardinals were down 5-4 with Yadier Molina at the plate and the bases loaded.. All the sudden a cat ran out on the field and caused a delay in the game. When play resumed Yadi hit the first pitch into the stands for a Grand Slam and the Cards hung on for the win.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/the-cat-s-meow-molina-hits-grand-slam-to-put/article_ed66a6dd-7419-588e-ac6d-3619a08e4b7e.html

KCRfan1
08-09-2017, 11:06 PM
Scott,

EVERY restaurant on the Hill needs to send a pan of lasagna to Kaufman Stadium addressed to Dayton Moore, as a note of " Thanks " for his doing little to improve KC for a playoff run.

Our play has helped the Cards back into some contention, and is putting KC out of the picture.

The Royals should have been sellers, but the Brass wanted to keep the band together for one last show. Instead of selling, I don't see KC making the playoffs and will be left with nothing come FA time. KC could have rebuilt their farm system, but grossly overestimated the team instead. Now, KC is set a good 5 years back, and that's assuming their draft picks and re-tread ( value as the Brass likes to say ) players produce. BTW, KC is horrible in evaluating draft talent, or grooming draft picks for the bigs, or both.

This is very frustrating as most other playoff teams made significant moves that KC was not in a position to make. And how Escobar continues to hold the gig at SS is beyond me and most of KC fans.

Gone are the days of 5 innings and let the pen take over. That MO may work a year of two, but is hardly a recipe for long term success.

It's hard to complain after back to back Series appearances, and winning one.

But it's also hard to sit back and watch the team piss away the future like they have done.

cardsfan73
08-10-2017, 12:42 AM
Lou,

I still don't think my Cardinals are good enough to make it this year, but they did have a good series against your Royals. The Rally Cat was probably the most enjoyable moment of our season so far. I just think by the end of the season it's going to be the Cubbies in first. Just way to much talent on that team.

To be honest I don't think it matters who wins the NL Central this year, I just don't see any one getting past the Dodgers. I have never seen a team play so great over such a long stretch of time like this.

Good luck to your Royals man, I think they still have a chance!

KMayUSA6060
08-10-2017, 06:28 AM
Lou,

I still don't think my Cardinals are good enough to make it this year, but they did have a good series against your Royals. The Rally Cat was probably the most enjoyable moment of our season so far. I just think by the end of the season it's going to be the Cubbies in first. Just way to much talent on that team.

To be honest I don't think it matters who wins the NL Central this year, I just don't see any one getting past the Dodgers. I have never seen a team play so great over such a long stretch of time like this.

Good luck to your Royals man, I think they still have a chance!

Unless you were alive in 1912 or 1913, you wouldn't have. The Dodgers are having the best stretch of baseball since the 1912 or 1913 NY Giants.

cardsfan73
08-13-2017, 03:47 PM
After all my negative post about the Cardinals and their sloppy play this year, stating they have no chance to make the playoffs....

Tonight our season was saved, tonight we had the Rally Cat!!

In 2011 the Rally Squirrel appeared twice in the Division Series and we went on to win it all!

Tonight the Cardinals were down 5-4 with Yadier Molina at the plate and the bases loaded.. All the sudden a cat ran out on the field and caused a delay in the game. When play resumed Yadi hit the first pitch into the stands for a Grand Slam and the Cards hung on for the win.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/the-cat-s-meow-molina-hits-grand-slam-to-put/article_ed66a6dd-7419-588e-ac6d-3619a08e4b7e.html


I made the above post as a joke (sometimes sarcasm does not come across on the net) but now the Cardinals are above 500 and only a half game behind the Cubs. This division is horrible, there is no way this lousy Cardinals team should be anywhere close to a Division leader!