Question about T206s in Memory Lane

[Sean]

The current Memory Lane auction features an amazing T206 high grade set that is being broken up. While most of those cards deserve the high grade, I can't believe the grades that some of them received:

Lot 28, M. Brown is the worst PSA 6 that I've ever seen. Multiple black spots, and what appears to be an attempted erasure next to Brown's face.

Lot 30, Chance appears to have a piece of the right corner missing (or is that just an illusion on the scan?).

Lots 84 and 85, both Tinkers, are off center, especially the portrait, but both grade as PSA 6.

There was another thread that discussed whether the Matty White Cap in Lot 11 is trimmed.

And of course the Wagner in Lot 1 is the worst PSA 2 I've ever seen. Not that I'll ever be in the market for a Wagner. But I'm curious if you guys agree with my assessment, or am I being too harsh?

PS- Sorry there's no link to the auction, but I'm really bad with computers. :o

[Pat R]

Here ya go Sean.

Lot 28 http://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/bidplace?itemid=42330
Lot 30 http://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/bidplace?itemid=42332
Lot 84 http://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/bidplace?itemid=42386
Lot 85 http://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/bidplace?itemid=42387

And I agree with you, they do seem like generous grades especially
the Chance.

[ullmandds]

Too bad Kevin Is banned otherwise I am sure he would be happy to tell you that you are the one with the problem because PSA is always right !!:D

The current Memory Lane auction features an amazing T206 high grade set that is being broken up. While most of those cards deserve the high grade, I can't believe the grades that some of them received:

Lot 28, M. Brown is the worst PSA 6 that I've ever seen. Multiple black spots, and what appears to be an attempted erasure next to Brown's face.

Lot 30, Chance appears to have a piece of the right corner missing (or is that just an illusion on the scan?).

Lots 84 and 85, both Tinkers, are off center, especially the portrait, but both grade as PSA 6.

There was another thread that discussed whether the Matty White Cap in Lot 11 is trimmed.

And of course the Wagner in Lot 1 is the worst PSA 2 I've ever seen. Not that I'll ever be in the market for a Wagner. But I'm curious if you guys agree with my assessment, or am I being too harsh?

PS- Sorry there's no link to the auction, but I'm really bad with computers. :o

[Stonepony]

Too bad Kevin Is banned otherwise I am sure he would be happy to tell you that you are the one with the problem because PSA is always right !!:D

Way to kick a guy when he's....banned:D

[Sean]

Thanks for the assist Pat. :)

[swarmee]

FWIW, all of them have really old flips (when most people think they were more lenient on vintage). However, calling the Chance a "borderline bump card" is stretching it, as I would be shocked to get a 4 if I submitted that one.
However, if that is due to the scan, they need to rescan that card. They're not doing it any favors.
The staining on the first card would require the ST designator now. Did all the qualifiers exist at the beginning of PSA?

[rats60]

The Plank, Magie and green Cobb are all over grades too. Lots of beautiful cards though. It's probably what you would expect for such a high grade set.

[T206Collector]

Just another opportunity to mention that the real value of TPG is in disclosing the existence of unseen defects. Buy the card, not the holder, etc.

[3-2-count]

buy the card, not the holder, etc.

This!!!

[T205 GB]

I am sorry but IMO the Chance looks trimmed. Upper left corner and lower right corner.

Just to add with all the A graded cards I wouldn't doubt if many more of these cards are altered in some way to achieve the grades they got but just got pushed through due to negligence on PSA's part. Of course that is not a huge surprise either

[Thromdog]

When the auction first opened I stared at that Wagner for a long time too. I do not get how that is a 2.

The bidding on it so far has been strong.....last I saw was 480k. That price has to be based on the number, right?

[wondo]

A couple of thoughts:

1. Five to ten cards out of 500 isnt a large percentage of "mistakes".
2. For the spot and off center it isnt hard to imagine they were graded with the "no qualifier" designation.
3. The guy who put the set together may have sought out cards that were low end for the grade for economic reasons.
4. The Wagner is a Wagner - dont think the numerical grade matters that much.

Of course, I could be blowing smoke................

[CardMD]

Here is another example. How short is considered normal variation? Screams trimmed to me.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170505/3a72e7703d8295e7c75523fe5e4d08da.png


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[Iwantmorecards77]

Are Old Mills known to have narrow bottom borders? I have an Eddie Collins in a PSA 4 holder that seems the same way. It doesn't appear to be trimmed, but the bottom border seems a thin.

https://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/Coach/1909-11-t206-hall-of-famers-hof/16906/1909-11-t206-old-mill-eddie-collins

[Luke]

Yeah, there are a lot of Old Mills that are factory-cut shorter than normal. Cobb looks good to me.

[rainier2004]

Yeah, there are a lot of Old Mills that are factory-cut shorter than normal. Cobb looks good to me.

IDK, Id want to take a closer look at that left border...

[iwantitiwinit]

Here is another example. How short is considered normal variation? Screams trimmed to me.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170505/3a72e7703d8295e7c75523fe5e4d08da.png


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They must have thought it was short too because they are using the oldest trick in the book by having the card sit up against the upper lip of the holder before photgraphing.

[Rhotchkiss]

Interesting... So beware of t206 cards with scans where it's leaning on the top piece (assuming there is room between card bottom and bottom piece)? Great tip. Man I love this site.

[Luke]

I think you guys are trying too hard to see something wrong with this card. It's more like a 4 or 4.5 than a 6, but other than that it's a nice card. I have a bunch of factory-cut short Old Mills like this.

[Rhotchkiss]

So, I was just outbid on this Matty CB PSA 3 at ML: http://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/bidplace?itemid=43088

My question is how can they say it's 1 of 1 and highest PSA example when the pop reports show two PSA 3s and one PSA 4.5 (not to mention there is an SGC 3 out there)?

[Sean]

They seem to have corrected the listing online.

[Sean]

So, I was just outbid on this Matty CB PSA 3 at ML: http://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/bidplace?itemid=43088


Hey Ryan, don't you have better things to do with your money? ;)

[Rhotchkiss]

Not today my friend!!