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CMIZ5290
03-31-2017, 05:31 PM
$26K? Really? unbelievable.....Black Lenox, not brown! This one makes no sense at all....

Sean
03-31-2017, 05:57 PM
Is it a 1 of 1 situation? If so, I'm guessing David Hall was involved.

PhillipAbbott79
03-31-2017, 06:19 PM
Or 2 people with a back run of the same card that both like sitting around lighting money on fire on the weekends with other people that like setting money on fire.

If David Hall is still collecting.. :rolleyes:

RedsFan1941
03-31-2017, 06:37 PM
At a show a couple weeks ago I talked to a Cleveland collector who had the opinion that that Lajoie actually was a brown Lenox mislabeled by PSA. I guess David hall doesn't differentiate between brown and black lenoxxes so maybe PSA doesn't either? Anyway, I wonder whether other bidders thought maybe the Lenox was brown? Was tought to tell one way or another on my comp screen.

Bigb13
03-31-2017, 06:49 PM
Maybe I should put my Ty Cobb away.

CMIZ5290
03-31-2017, 07:57 PM
Or 2 people with a back run of the same card that both like sitting around lighting money on fire on the weekends with other people that like setting money on fire.

If David Hall is still collecting.. :rolleyes:

Phillip- why don't you email David and ask him?:rolleyes:

CMIZ5290
03-31-2017, 07:58 PM
Maybe I should put my Ty Cobb away.

Or at least put pics and prices up...

CMIZ5290
03-31-2017, 08:00 PM
Is it a 1 of 1 situation? If so, I'm guessing David Hall was involved.

Sean, Even if Hall was involved, it takes two to tango.....

Bigb13
03-31-2017, 08:01 PM
I do have front and back pictures up with a price or best offer.

asoriano
03-31-2017, 09:46 PM
Makes this one look like a steal...

http://brockelmanauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=1502

Brian Weisner
03-31-2017, 11:47 PM
Hey Turner,
The Lajoie Brown Lenox was sold raw in Hunt Auctions in February of 2004, for $2800. At the time the card was identified incorrectly as a black Lenox. I believe the card still resides in the collection of a long time Lajoie collector and contributor here for many years.
Hope you are well
Brian

calvindog
04-01-2017, 07:54 AM
maybe i should put my ty cobb away.

lololol

Bigb13
04-01-2017, 04:14 PM
lololol

Lolololololololol

Rhotchkiss
04-01-2017, 10:18 PM
T206 red Cobb Cycle 350, PSA 3, currently at $8,400 with BP at Goldin. Not that rare of a card... Only proves further that rare backs are all jacked and overpriced and this is making the Nap Lenox look like a relative bargain!

CW
04-02-2017, 01:29 AM
T206 red Cobb Cycle 350, PSA 3, currently at $8,400 with BP at Goldin. Not that rare of a card... Only proves further that rare backs are all jacked and overpriced and this is making the Nap Lenox look like a relative bargain!

:confused: I'm not sure I follow. Rare backs are overpriced, yet the Lajoie was a bargain at $25K? Huh? It's late and I'm tired, but I can't comprehend how something can be overpriced yet still be a bargain.

irishdenny
04-02-2017, 03:54 AM
Makes this one look like a steal...

http://brockelmanauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=1502

Back THeN I SoLD my PSA 8 Namath Rookie fir $6K...
Whata They Like, $40k Now!?!?
(There iS One ComiN up iN REA...
VeRY Curious to See WHaT Mr. Namath Sells fir!?

Fir Sum Cards... 7 Years Ago was a Different WoRLD!!!

pete zouras
04-02-2017, 07:58 AM
T206 red Cobb Cycle 350, PSA 3, currently at $8,400 with BP at Goldin. Not that rare of a card... Only proves further that rare backs are all jacked and overpriced and this is making the Nap Lenox look like a relative bargain!

Suddenly my highest valued card.<br><a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/user/zouraspm/media/zouraspm066/cobb%20t206%20cycle_zpsxpphgmb1.png.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/zouraspm066/cobb%20t206%20cycle_zpsxpphgmb1.png" border="0" alt=" photo cobb t206 cycle_zpsxpphgmb1.png"/></a>

Rhotchkiss
04-02-2017, 08:18 AM
Yes, agreed, "overpriced" and "bargain" used simultaneously to refer to the same subject is necessarily oxymoronic and logically inconsistent. My point was simply that if $9000 for Cobb Cycle 350s is the new normal, then $24k for the Nap is, IMO, a relative steal. That said, I remember feeling about real estate in 2007, how I do about rare backs today..... I think things are "whack" but in this whack world I would rather have the Nap at $24k than the Cobb cycle at $9k (although they are both great). The Nap is a once a decade/maybe lifetime card, and assuming the buyer paid that sum to collect, price doesn't really matter on card like that (if buyer can reasonably afford to stroke the check).

calvindog
04-02-2017, 08:36 AM
Yes, agreed, "overpriced" and "bargain" used simultaneously to refer to the same subject is necessarily oxymoronic and logically inconsistent. My point was simply that if $9000 for Cobb Cycle 350s is the new normal, then $24k for the Nap is, IMO, a relative steal. That said, I remember feeling about real estate in 2007, how I do about rare backs today..... I think things are "whack" but in this whack world I would rather have the Nap at $24k than the Cobb cycle at $9k (although they are both great). The Nap is a once a decade/maybe lifetime card, and assuming the buyer paid that sum to collect, price doesn't really matter on card like that (if buyer can reasonably afford to stroke the check).

Why do you presume that an outlying price in a Goldin auction of all places somehow sets the new value range of rare backed T206s?

Rhotchkiss
04-02-2017, 08:49 AM
I presume nothing of the sort. Over the past few weeks I have seen red Cobbs CB (with back damage) and cycle 350s, go for crazy numbers. I got outbid on a Young bare hand OM 6, at a very very high number. About two weeks ago, as posted elsewhere, somebody over the course of 1-2 days took down every rare back CB and rarer, all commons and all listings that had been out there for many many months. Just a few examples... I am hanging my hat on the totality of fairly recent sales. The Nap, well hell, that is something special and on a card like that you gotta pay what you gotta pay to make it yours.

calvindog
04-02-2017, 09:38 AM
I don't think that a couple weeks of sales which include a Goldin auction necessarily means the market has changed. That being said, red Cobbs have certainly taken off over the past few years along with many cards. As for the Lajoie, it sold as a brown Lenox and is as rare as you said -- and of a HOF player.

bobbyw8469
04-02-2017, 09:59 AM
Back THeN I SoLD my PSA 8 Namath Rookie fir $6K...
Whata They Like, $40k Now!?!?
(There iS One ComiN up iN REA...
VeRY Curious to See WHaT Mr. Namath Sells fir!?

Fir Sum Cards... 7 Years Ago was a Different WoRLD!!!

I'm the same way...sole my Namath rookie '7', for $2,000.....I feel like an idiot now.

irishdenny
04-02-2017, 10:32 AM
I'm the same way...sole my Namath rookie '7', for $2,000.....I feel like an idiot now.

Bobby,
I was a Genius Back THeN!
AFTaR HoLDiN'em fir a Few Years, I Made $3800!

You're Certainly Not aN idiot,
I Truly Don't Believe THaT You Lost Cash... "Am I Correct!?"
Your Experience WiLL ONLy MaKe You Wiser my Friend!!!

Namath's Card is JuST One Example of "HeLPiN me Read"
The "AFTaR the Baby Boomar Market"!

The New Money Seems ta be Slowly TaKeN OVaR Wit Sum Players,
And Down RiGHT KiLLiN iT Wit Others, ie... "Pick a Cobb" !!!

CMIZ5290
04-02-2017, 06:06 PM
$25K is still a ridiculous price for this card, period...It definitely sold as a Brown Lenox and then some...

RedsFan1941
04-02-2017, 06:25 PM
$25K is still a ridiculous price for this card, period...It definitely sold as a Brown Lenox and then some...

if you owned it and listed it on the BST, what price would you ask?

calvindog
04-02-2017, 06:28 PM
$25K is still a ridiculous price for this card, period...It definitely sold as a Brown Lenox and then some...

Yes of course it sold as a brown. No question. Once it passed 7-8K or so it was clear everyone thought it was brown.

Sean
04-02-2017, 07:59 PM
Goodwin claims that the Lenox is black, and the only one graded by PSA.

I don't see this or any other with a Lenox back listed in their pop report.

The card clearly looks black in the scan. So I don't get it. Maybe someone with more skill than me can double check the PSA pop report? :confused:

PhillipAbbott79
04-02-2017, 10:02 PM
I don't think that a couple weeks of sales which include a Goldin auction necessarily means the market has changed. That being said, red Cobbs have certainly taken off over the past few years along with many cards. As for the Lajoie, it sold as a brown Lenox and is as rare as you said -- and of a HOF player.

A single transaction is always what defines the start of a change, no matter how small. Repeat transactions dictate how sticky the change will be.

One could easily speculate why it sold at the price it did, but that would be speculation. No offense meant, but lots of people on here postulate facts. It is sad and hilarious at the same time. Your post is just that, speculation. Trying to determine reasoning of a person based on price is, no offense meant again, moronic.

The Murphy Red Hindu 1/1 must have sold at the price it did because the two buyers that fought over it thought it was a Purple Hindu.

calvindog
04-02-2017, 10:17 PM
A single transaction is always what defines the start of a change, no matter how small. Repeat transactions dictate how sticky the change will be.

One could easily speculate why it sold at the price it did, but that would be speculation. No offense meant, but lots of people on here postulate facts. It is sad and hilarious at the same time. Your post is just that, speculation. Trying to determine reasoning of a person based on price is, no offense meant again, moronic.

The Murphy Red Hindu 1/1 must have sold at the price it did because the two buyers that fought over it thought it was a Purple Hindu.

Except that I spoke to people who bid it up and they did so under the belief that it was brown. Therefore, what I wrote is not speculation. Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut so as not to be revealed as a moron. No offense meant.

PhillipAbbott79
04-02-2017, 10:41 PM
Except that I spoke to people who bid it up and they did so under the belief that it was brown. Therefore, what I wrote is not speculation. Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut so as not to be revealed as a moron. No offense meant.

Lol. Yea.

Well, no one proves you wrong, ever. I will not ask you to validate it with facts like others would. I will just chalk up to a loss of moronic proportions.

calvindog
04-02-2017, 10:50 PM
Lol. Yea.

Well, no one proves you wrong, ever. I will not ask you to validate it with facts like others would. I will just chalk up to a loss of moronic proportions.

Let's see: before Mastro and Allen were indicted, years before, there was enough anecdotal information in the public domain -- none of it from any of them or their co-conspirators -- which made clear that fraud was afoot in their auctions. They're all in jail now. John Rodgers? Another one where circumstantial evidence existed to make clear, at least to some here, that he was a crook. He's now headed off to prison. Brent/PWCC? Again, no insiders came out and declared that fraud was going on in his auctions and a handful of people who were neither his paid apologists or co-conspirators called it. And I think we can all agree that significant fraud has gone on in his auctions. And there are many more instances of this.

And you can ask me anything you'd like; that doesn't mean I would share my insights from being involved in more hobby related-federal criminal investigations and indictments, state fraud cases and civil fraud litigations than anyone on this board, with a proud moron like you. Sometimes it's just best to shut up and listen instead of demanding to be heard, especially when you have not a clue -- or the experience and intelligence to at least know you have not a clue.

PhillipAbbott79
04-02-2017, 11:02 PM
Let's see: before Mastro and Allen were indicted, years before, there was enough anecdotal information in the public domain -- none of it from any of them or their co-conspirators -- which made clear that fraud was afoot in their auctions. They're all in jail now. John Rodgers? Another one where circumstantial evidence existed to make clear, at least to some here, that he was a crook. He's now headed off to prison. Brent/PWCC? Again, no insiders came out and declared that fraud was going on in his auctions and a handful of people who were neither his paid apologists or co-conspirators called it. And I think we can all agree that significant fraud has gone on in his auctions. And there are many more instances of this.

And you can ask me anything you'd like; that doesn't mean I would share my insights from being involved in more hobby related-federal criminal investigations and indictments, state fraud cases and civil fraud litigations than anyone on this board, with a proud moron like you. Sometimes it's just best to shut up and listen instead of demanding to be heard, especially when you have not a clue -- or the experience and intelligence to at least know you have not a clue.

Oh, I did. I stood there at the National last year and I listened to lots of conversations about you, actually. You do not the know the first thing about me or what I know.

calvindog
04-02-2017, 11:04 PM
Oh, I did. I stood there at the National last year and I listened to lots of conversations about you, actually. You do not the know the first thing about me or what I know.

Great. When you're done sniffing my jock let me know.

PhillipAbbott79
04-02-2017, 11:07 PM
I was not sniffing. It was an overwhelming stench that resonated through the entire card show. You like it stinky. You should be proud.

calvindog
04-02-2017, 11:12 PM
I was not sniffing. It was an overwhelming stench that resonated through the entire card show. You like it stinky. You should be proud.

Mastro and Allen hate me as well. As does Rodgers, Brent and any number of miscreants in the hobby. I can live with that. You keep being you and I'll keep being me.

PhillipAbbott79
04-02-2017, 11:18 PM
I hate to break this to you, but these were people on my side of the table. I will just let you win. You need that so you can stop posting right?

calvindog
04-02-2017, 11:21 PM
I hate to break this to you, but these were people on my side of the table. I will just let you win. You need that so you can stop posting right?

I haven't posted more than a couple of times on the main board in about 18 months I believe. So no, I don't need a word from you to stop posting --- I just need to remind myself that there's no point in getting into pissing contests with nobodies who spend their time discussing me at the National. Phillip.

PhillipAbbott79
04-02-2017, 11:28 PM
I told you that you won. Maybe I was wrong. Your post count, is irrelevant of your personality and post style. You don't need to win, you need to have the last post or you need to convince yourself that you won. Also, I never said I discussed you. You have a reading comprehension issue it seems.

http://www.zekeslinks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/super_retard.jpg

calvindog
04-02-2017, 11:32 PM
Considering how little you know about the hobby, why would I believe anything that you say here? Ok, Philip who I've never heard of and who has not made even the slightest impression in this hobby -- other than in being a pontificating moron on Net 54 -- I'm done here.

PhillipAbbott79
04-02-2017, 11:33 PM
Ha. See. Last post.

Peter_Spaeth
04-03-2017, 09:33 AM
http://www.goodwinandco.com/T206_Lenox_Black_Nap_Lajoie_With_Bat_PSA_4_VG_EX_O-LOT35018.aspx

Not sure what people are seeing here that they think it's brown?

PhillipAbbott79
04-03-2017, 09:36 AM
They are not. That was the point. This guy definitely doesn't want the card: http://imageevent.com/ineedanap/t206

Peter_Spaeth
04-03-2017, 10:00 AM
If Jeff says he talked to people who thought it was brown and were bidding accordingly, then people were thinking that. Maybe they had other scans, I don't know.

bobbyw8469
04-03-2017, 10:11 AM
They are not. That was the point. This guy definitely doesn't want the card: http://imageevent.com/ineedanap/t206

Not sure what this link is, but it's bogus.

PhillipAbbott79
04-03-2017, 10:15 AM
What he said was, based on the price it was obvious that people thought it was brown.

PhillipAbbott79
04-03-2017, 10:16 AM
Not sure what this link is, but it's bogus.

Not sure what happened there.

It looks like you can only get to the page a specific way

https://www.google.com/search?q=t206+lajoie+american+beauty+460&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwinq_GotIjTAhUT84MKHZ0ADeA4ChD8BQgHKAI&biw=1536&bih=790#imgrc=l9Z9Pd4woeiUMM:&spf=213

or the person just saw this and put up a password.

Peter_Spaeth
04-03-2017, 10:41 AM
What he said was, based on the price it was obvious that people thought it was brown.

No, read post 29 again.

calvindog
04-03-2017, 10:46 AM
They are not. That was the point. This guy definitely doesn't want the card: http://imageevent.com/ineedanap/t206

Why don't you call him up and ask him if he bid on the card and what color he believes the Goodwin Lajoie Lenox is?

PhillipAbbott79
04-03-2017, 10:55 AM
No, read post 29 again.

I was citing post 26 which came before 29.

calvindog
04-03-2017, 10:59 AM
They are not. That was the point. This guy definitely doesn't want the card: http://imageevent.com/ineedanap/t206

Again, why don't you call him up and ask him if he bid on the card and what color he believes the Goodwin Lajoie Lenox is?

irv
04-03-2017, 11:12 AM
Again, why don't you call him up and ask him if he bid on the card and what color he believes the Goodwin Lajoie Lenox is?

Being as I know very little about what is being discussed here, this likely isn't the place to say it, but I will say it anyways, and that is, Jeffrey, you have one heck of a nice collection!

Surprised, however, not seeing a 52 Topps, Robinson or a Campanella? I assume those are on the radar/want list?

Peter_Spaeth
04-03-2017, 11:12 AM
I was citing post 26 which came before 29.

Exactly, and 29 was a response to your suggestion that 26 was based on speculation.

calvindog
04-03-2017, 11:14 AM
Being as I know very little about what is being discussed here, this likely isn't the place to say it, but I will say it anyways, and that is, Jeffrey, you have one heck of a nice collection!

Surprised, however, not seeing a 52 Topps, Robinson or a Campanella? I assume those are on the radar/want list?

Dale, yes, on the want list. However, with a list a mile long I tend to ignore the cards that are easily gotten while seemingly spending most of my time on the more difficult Cobbs, Chases, Browns, Donlins, Robinsons, etc. I also don't have an E93 Cobb for this very reason.

irv
04-03-2017, 11:23 AM
Dale, yes, on the want list. However, with a list a mile long I tend to ignore the cards that are easily gotten while seemingly spending most of my time on the more difficult Cobbs, Chases, Browns, Donlins, Robinsons, etc. I also don't have an E93 Cobb for this very reason.

Ah, understood. :)