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Pat R
03-10-2017, 03:58 PM
Is it just me or does it bug other people when someone states that a card
is scarcer/rarer than a T206 Wagner, Cobb/Cobb ect... and they are referring
to a T206 with a non Sweet Caporal or Piedmont back and using the PSA and
SGC pop reports as a reference. I've seen it so many times I decided to
go through the pop reports and get some statistics.

I used the Cobb/Cobb for a comparison. There are 21 of them in the
combined PSA/SGC pop reports. Of the 524 subjects 483 of them have
at least one front/back combo (most have several) with a 20 or less
combined pop making them scarcer/rarer than a Cobb/Cobb in the pop reports.

It averaged out to 4.625 cards per combo for a total of 10,332 cards in
the pop reports that are scarcer than a Cobb/Cobb. And I didn't include
blank backs, Brown Lenox/Old mill, errors (ie nodgrass/Murr'ay), or
factory #'s (PIedmont 42, Sweet Caporal 25 ect..) if you include these
it could be 15,000 or more.

The Cobb (Red Portrait) has 10 combo's alone that are scarcer.

uniship
03-10-2017, 04:09 PM
How many cobb "Carolina brights" backs are there known?

MVSNYC
03-10-2017, 04:24 PM
Interesting illustration, thanks.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to supply & demand.

To add to your point...there may be only 2, 3 or 7 of a particular front/back combo (a common, or even a "standard" HOFer), so clearly "rare"...BUT, the demand & desirability of said card cannot touch that of the Wagner or Cobb/Cobb, etc.

Snapolit1
03-10-2017, 04:36 PM
Some guy on eBay has been trying to sell an Exhibit for years with the "Rarer than a Goudey!" tagline. Well sure. And I've sold Leaf exhibits where there were 5 graded and I got $150 for them.

clydepepper
03-10-2017, 05:27 PM
...and I am very happy with my seven Allegehenys

Pat R
03-10-2017, 06:12 PM
How many cobb "Carolina brights" backs are there known?

I don't know how many are known but there are 13 total in the
PSA and SGC pop reports, I would imagine at least one or two are cross overs.

I came across a couple of errors that stood out. There is a Burch (Batting)
and a Schaefer (Detroit) listed with American Beauty backs.

steve B
03-10-2017, 07:19 PM
The Cobb is an SGC 10 now. And not a crossover as I bought it years ago.


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Steve B

drcy
03-10-2017, 07:59 PM
Rarity and scarcity are different, though not unrelated, concepts. Rarity is a numbers in existence thing. However, scarcity is supply versus demand and is generally reflected by financial value. There are many modern 1/1 serial numbered cards that are rarer but not more scarce than the T206 Wagner.

clydepepper
03-10-2017, 08:27 PM
Rarity and scarcity are different, though not unrelated, concepts. Rarity is a numbers in existence thing. However, scarcity is supply versus demand and is generally reflected by financial value. There are many modern 1/1 serial numbered cards that are rarer but not more scarce than the T206 Wagner.


semantics, schlimantics....


'It's only the same if it's not different.

:cool::rolleyes::eek:

Paul S
03-11-2017, 06:31 AM
There was a great thread a ways back titled something like, "Show A Card More Rare Than The Wagner". Wonderful stuff!

And Ray, it's schlAmantics, not schlImantics :D:p

Leon
03-11-2017, 08:21 AM
For value, at the end of the day, it comes down to demand. A whole lot, if not most, of my first collection was rarer than a Wags......They aren't that rare relatively speaking.

Interesting illustration, thanks.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to supply & demand.

To add to your point...there may be only 2, 3 or 7 of a particular front/back combo (a common, or even a "standard" HOFer), so clearly "rare"...BUT, the demand & desirability of said card cannot touch that of the Wagner or Cobb/Cobb, etc.