Show us your "unique" (1 of 1) T206 cards.

[tedzan]

To date....this Herzog and this McGraw are unique, as they are the only the UZIT cards of these two subjects (according to the Pop Reports).

I traded for the Herzog with my friend in North Carolina in 2010. And, I recently acquired an old T206 collection which included this McGraw.
Both cards were raw, originally.

Recently, I sold the Herzog to David Hall. Like Kenny Rogers used to sing about cards: "there is a time to hold them, and a time to fold them".

So, let's how many more unique T206's are out there in Net54land....so why not show us your's ?


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/McGrawGloveUZITxSGC30x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/McGrawGloveUZITxb.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/UZITHerzogSGC45.jpg . http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/zanted86/herzogUZITx50b.jpg



TED Z
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[iowadoc77]

Ted- you are killing me with that McGraw!
Nice cards.

[ty_cobb]

I'm not sure what I have left of 1 of 1s? But I must have had a few at one time as I had many Red Hindus,,,, my favorite one of one is the T206 Eddie Collins batting though,

[sreader3]

Great cards Ted. I don't think I have any 1 of 1s.

But these are pretty tough--at least in PSA 5.

Sorry for "scan intensive."

Abbott Carolina Brights
Burchell Broadleaf 350
Kling Old Mill
Lajoie With Bat Piedmont 42

[sreader3]

I'm not sure what I have left of 1 of 1s? But I must have had a few at one time as I had many Red Hindus,,,, my favorite one of one is the T206 Eddie Collins batting though,

My favorite of all time. I would rather have that than the Wagner any day.

[trdcrdkid]

This Broad Leaf 350 Quinn is listed on T206resource as "not confirmed", and neither PSA nor SGC list any in their pop report.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg98/dkathman1/IMG_20170309_0001_1.jpghttp://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg98/dkathman1/IMG_20170309_0002_1.jpg

[Joshwesley]

Did not know there was a such thing as an Eddie Collins proof. That is wild.
I assume this is a one of one that resides in Oberman's collection?

If it got into the public forum or auction, what kind of price would it fetch?

[Sean]

Did not know there was a such thing as an Eddie Collins proof. That is wild.
I assume this is a one of one that resides in Oberman's collection?

If it got into the public forum or auction, what kind of price would it fetch?

It would easily clear 6 figures IMO.

[Sean]

This is my only one of one, a brown Lenox:

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[sreader3]

I think the Collins Proof is a $250K+ card at this point.

Unfortunately for me and the gazillion other 206 collectors who covet it.

[tedzan]

This Broad Leaf 350 Quinn is listed on T206resource as "not confirmed", and neither PSA nor SGC list any in their pop report.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg98/dkathman1/IMG_20170309_0001_1.jpghttp://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg98/dkathman1/IMG_20170309_0002_1.jpg


David

Next time check out my BROAD LEAF 350 list. Your Quinn has been listed as confirmed with BROAD LEAF 350 for several years now......
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=125062&page=4



The BROAD LEAF 350 cards depict players in the 350-only Series. These cards were issued circa....Summer/Fall 1910.


I refer to these similar stylistic back designs as the "A-B-C-D" connection......

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/ABCDxT206_zps39543005.jpg


To date, the following 175 subjects have been confirmed.

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Bresnahan (bat)

Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer
Congalton
Cree
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)

Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Jack Dunn (Baltimore)
Joe Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Egan
Engle
Evers (yellow sky)
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Flanagan
Fletcher
Freeman
Fromme

Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hulswitt

Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
Kruger
LaPorte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone
Lord
Maddox

Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
McElveen
McGinley
McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)

Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullen (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin
O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Poland
Purtell
Quillen

Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm
Schreck
Scott
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Strang
Street (portrait)

Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielman
Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett (bat)
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young
Zimmerman


This list is still a work in progress....so, any new inputs are really appreciated.



TED Z
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[charlietheexterminator]

My collection is built around 1 of 1's, here are a few.

[trdcrdkid]

David

Next time check out my BROAD LEAF 350 list. Your Quinn has been listed as confirmed with BROAD LEAF 350 for several years now......
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=125062&page=4

Ted --

I'm pretty sure it was me who first confirmed the existence of Broad Leaf 350 Quinn to you. See post #37 of the thread you linked to, dated 7-23-2015, in which I told you about my Quinn and said that it "knocks another one off the unconfirmed list". Before that, you had Quinn as unconfirmed, as I recall.

[tedzan]

Hey David

You got me on that one. It's been a long day for me, it's time to hit then sack.

Thanks guy,

TED Z
.

[trdcrdkid]

Hey David

You got me on that one. It's been a long day for me, it's time to hit then sack.


You and me both. Time to hit the hay. Later, Ted.

[t206fix]

Chuck, Wow! :eek::eek::eek:

[MVSNYC]

I think this is the only one known...

[T206Collector]

I only get to the 1-of-1 world through the magic of autographs. I have never seen or even heard about another one of any of these:

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8634/29461323092_d868c82e0d_o.jpg" width="475" height="763" alt="Johnson_SGC_A"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8517/29537059246_b2f7effd11_o.jpg" width="478" height="763" alt="image0-2"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8533/29571015165_2783a88716_o.jpg" width="475" height="763" alt="Murray_Batting_AUTO_SGC_AUTH"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8217/29280951180_4f3f368752_o.jpg" width="477" height="763" alt="Sullivan_Auto_SGC_A"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8153/28947596603_497dcf9555_o.jpg" width="467" height="763" alt="Tannehill_AUTO__SGC_AUTH"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8226/28947597683_189531b69f_o.jpg" width="934" height="763" alt="Fiene Portrait Auto SGC A"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8395/29537059316_e6112c99ae_o.jpg" width="932" height="763" alt="Fiene Throwing Auto SGC A"></a>

[njdunkin1]

The Cy is nasty! Great cards everyone!

[darwinbulldog]

This Broad Leaf 350 Quinn is listed on T206resource as "not confirmed", and neither PSA nor SGC list any in their pop report.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg98/dkathman1/IMG_20170309_0001_1.jpghttp://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg98/dkathman1/IMG_20170309_0002_1.jpg

I think that makes it a 1 of 0 according to Ted's method.

[tedzan]

I think that makes it a 1 of 0 according to Ted's method.


Hey Glenn

I don't quite understand your comment....please explain ? ?

TED Z

[darwinbulldog]

Certainly. In the original post you said you were basing the determination of uniqueness on the numbers in "the Pop Reports." Then David said "neither PSA nor SGC list any [BL 350 Quinns] in their pop report." Thus, he owns 1 of a card which, according to the method you cited, has a population of zero. That's all.

[tedzan]

Glenn

Perhaps, I was not clear in my original post here. Or, you may be misconstruing the meaning the word "unique" as I have applied it here.

I'm not basing the "uniqueness" of a given T206 on Pop report data. I simply refer to the Pop report data as possible supporting evidence.
The basis for me saying a certain T206 is unique is strictly based my 37 years of experience collecting T206's. For example....I have never
before seen the McGraw and Herzog with UZIT backs. Furthermore, I have contacted many veteran T206 collectors, who told me that they
have not either. Therefore, in my opinion it's fair to conclude that these two T206's are unique (at this point in time). Sure, 2nd's (or 3rd's)
of these guys may eventually surface. But, as of March 10, 2017 these two T206's remain unique.


TED Z
.

[PhillipAbbott79]

http://i.imgur.com/tyTc1Nl.jpg

[Marslife]

Here's a cool Snoddy Batting:

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265238

[tedzan]

I'll throw into this mix a T206 proof.....unique, or what ?


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/T206PuttmanPROOFbb.jpg


TED Z
.

[Sean]

Love those proof. I've got to get me one someday. :cool:

[Pat R]

To date....this Herzog and this McGraw are unique, as they are the only the UZIT cards of these two subjects (according to the Pop Reports).

I traded for the Herzog with my friend in North Carolina in 2010. And, I recently acquired an old T206 collection which included this McGraw.
Both cards were raw, originally.

Recently, I sold the Herzog to David Hall. Like Kenny Rogers used to sing about cards: "there is a time to hold them, and a time to fold them".

So, let's how many more unique T206's are out there in Net54land....so why not show us your's ?


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/McGrawGloveUZITxSGC30x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/McGrawGloveUZITxb.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/UZITHerzogSGC45.jpg . http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/herzogUZITx50b.jpg



TED Z
.



This is how the pop reports get out of whack. David probably had the Herzog
crossed over.





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He did the same thing with a Conroy Drum and who knows how many other
low pop cards.








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[RedsFan1941]

This is how the pop reports get out of whack. David probably had the Herzog
crossed over.


Maybe not. The Herzog has me confused. Ted bought it from a friend in 2010 and recently sold it to David Hall. But an Uzit Herzog (in the same SGC holder) sold in REA in 2013. So is there more than one? :confused:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2013/fall/305/1909-1911-t206-buck-herzog-boston-uzit-back-only-example/

[CMIZ5290]

Maybe not. The Herzog has me confused. Ted bought it from a friend in 2010 and recently sold it to David Hall. But an Uzit Herzog (in the same SGC holder) sold in REA in 2013. So is there more than one? :confused:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2013/fall/305/1909-1911-t206-buck-herzog-boston-uzit-back-only-example/

David has all the cards for the most part....:confused:

[tedzan]

Maybe not. The Herzog has me confused. Ted bought it from a friend in 2010 and recently sold it to David Hall. But an Uzit Herzog (in the same SGC holder) sold in REA in 2013. So is there more than one? :confused:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2013/fall/305/1909-1911-t206-buck-herzog-boston-uzit-back-only-example/

Hi Ronnie

The Herzog / UZIT in REA that you are referring to was my card. I offered it to David Hall at the 2013 National.
I gave him a price, but he suggested that I consign it to REA in order to see what market value it would rise to.
He won this card; and, of course he had it graded by PSA.

I hope this information "de-confuses" you.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/UZITHerzogSGC45.jpg . http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/zanted86/herzogUZITx50b.jpg



TED Z
.

[RedsFan1941]

Hi Ronnie

The Herzog / UZIT in REA that you are referring to was my card. I offered it to David Hall at the 2013 National.
I gave him a price, but he suggested that I consign it to REA in order to see what market value it would rise to.
He won this card; and, of course he had it graded by PSA.

I hope this information "de-confuses"
.

^^^^^^^

Thanks Ted. Your explanation definitely clears my confusion. My mistake. I just didn't connect the dots that recently selling it to David Hall was the same thing as consigning it to an auction house in 2013. Makes perfect sense since David Hall was the one who bought it at auction. GREAT CARD!!!!!!!

[tedzan]

Thanks Ronnie

I have sold directly to David quite a number of rare T206's prior to (and after) this Herzog card. However,
he thought it would be mutually fair to both of us for him to bid on it in an Auction situation.

And, that was fine with me, since I knew he would win the card, anyhow.


TED Z
.

[Yoda]

Back long before grading companies broke out different T206 tobacco company reverses, and because I no longer have the card, so no scan possible, I held a PSA 7 Griffith batting with a Drum reverse, so sweet it breaks my heart to even think about it. For all I know, David Hall has it in his private vault.

[gabrinus]

Here are two I sold a couple of years ago......Jerry

[Sean]

Hey Jerry, as it turns out I grabbed your Atz. :p

And a friend of mine got your Collins.

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265341

[mrvster]

:)

[Bruinsfan94]

I only get to the 1-of-1 world through the magic of autographs. I have never seen or even heard about another one of any of these:

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8634/29461323092_d868c82e0d_o.jpg" width="475" height="763" alt="Johnson_SGC_A"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8517/29537059246_b2f7effd11_o.jpg" width="478" height="763" alt="image0-2"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8533/29571015165_2783a88716_o.jpg" width="475" height="763" alt="Murray_Batting_AUTO_SGC_AUTH"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8217/29280951180_4f3f368752_o.jpg" width="477" height="763" alt="Sullivan_Auto_SGC_A"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8153/28947596603_497dcf9555_o.jpg" width="467" height="763" alt="Tannehill_AUTO__SGC_AUTH"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8226/28947597683_189531b69f_o.jpg" width="934" height="763" alt="Fiene Portrait Auto SGC A"></a>

<img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8395/29537059316_e6112c99ae_o.jpg" width="932" height="763" alt="Fiene Throwing Auto SGC A"></a>


How many authentic signed t206's do you think exist?

[Blunder19]

Does this count as 1 T206 or 2? :)

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/double%20card%20front%20miscut_zpsr07ib5c0.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/double%20card%20front%20miscut_zpsr07ib5c0.jpg.htm l)

[gabrinus]

Sean, that's right......I remember now.......can't remember who bought the Collins exactly but I think they are a board member as well....you are in good company with those who have grabbed my Atz........Jerry

[Sean]

Does this count as 1 T206 or 2? :)

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/double%20card%20front%20miscut_zpsr07ib5c0.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/double%20card%20front%20miscut_zpsr07ib5c0.jpg.htm l)

It counts as 2/3 of a T206 Pastorius and 1/3 of a T206 Lake. :D

[T206Collector]

How many authentic signed t206's do you think exist?

You mean unique signed poses? I have 43, and I've seen 15 others that are credibly real -- that either have been or would get authenticated by JSA. I'd say between 60 and 70 is a good bet. Any more than 70 would require a ridiculous find in our lifetimes.

If you'd count dupes, well I've got another thread going here with 45 signed Marquards alone; and 52 others came from the 2007 Great Pittsburgh Find of Signed T206 Cards; Jeff Morey had another 2 or 3 dozen. I'd guess over 200 total, but not likely over 300.

[charlietheexterminator]

Does this count as 1 T206 or 2? :)

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/double%20card%20front%20miscut_zpsr07ib5c0.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/double%20card%20front%20miscut_zpsr07ib5c0.jpg.htm l)

Very nice, I like it a lot

[Joshchisox08]

This may be the best thread ever!!!

[Sean]

Well if you like oddball stuff, here's one that might be considered unique:

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[tedzan]

Here is my "cloudy sky" Lundgren. I have not seen another Lundgren missing the blue ink....has anyone on this forum seen one ?


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/alundgren4versions.jpg
.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/blundgren4versions.jpg


TED Z
.

[tedzan]

This color error is puzzling. Anyone here ever see a normally red background T206 look like this one ?


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/WrightPolarBearSovereign350x.jpg
.... Polar Bear ................................................ Sovereign 350


TED Z
.

[Sean]

Ted, I've seen so many Polar Bears where the red looks more like orange that I've lost count. But that may be the first one where the red appears to be missing.

[Blunder19]

Sean,

i love that tinker.. very cool.

[Herpolsheimer]

The most unique and least loved T206 card I have. I got it with a raw set of 175 cards and while organizing the lot I found out it is currently a onefer. Now I have a hard time getting rid of it. "Make me an offer I can't refuse." (Though I will trade for just one of those awesome T206 signatures).

[irishdenny]

I Humbly Present, Mr. Hoffman ~ Along wit a Side of Mr. Bender!

[Pat R]

I Humbly Present, Mr. Hoffman ~ Along wit a Side of Mr. Bender!

Denny, are you sure it's Bender and not Groom?
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[tedzan]

This AB 460 Jennings card was a unique T206 when I acquired it years ago. It was graded SGC A. Recently, I have seen one more.

I am displaying the 2 scans here of the same card. A couple of years ago, I cracked it open and submitted it to SGC. This time SGC
graded it an SGC 60. Check out SGC's Pop report, you will see two cards listed for this AB 460 Jennings....a SGC A and a SGC 60.
They are one-in-the-same card.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsHandx50_1.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsHand50xb.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsSGC60.jpg


TED Z
.

[irishdenny]

WeLL Pat...
Thankz fir CalliN me Out! :)

iN My Haste, I Surly Misspoke ~
Ahhh Howevar, we're Both abit off!

He's actually Mr. Myers...
And I JuST Remembered da Wrong "Chief"

"I Really meant it WHeN i felt humble..." :o

[irishdenny]

This AB 460 Jennings card was a unique T206 when I acquired it years ago. It was graded SGC A. Recently, I have seen one more.

I am displaying the 2 scans here of the same card. A couple of years ago, I cracked it open and submitted it to SGC. This time SGC
graded it an SGC 60. Check out SGC's Pop report, you will see two cards listed for this AB 460 Jennings....a SGC A and a SGC 60.
They are one-in-the-same card.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsHandx50_1.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsHand50xb.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsSGC60.jpg


TED Z.


Greetings Ted!,

Yours Looks Like a Re~Do iS iN Order!
Maybe SumDay Aye!?!? ;)

[Pat R]

Hi Ronnie

The Herzog / UZIT in REA that you are referring to was my card. I offered it to David Hall at the 2013 National.
I gave him a price, but he suggested that I consign it to REA in order to see what market value it would rise to.
He won this card; and, of course he had it graded by PSA.

I hope this information "de-confuses" you.






TED Z
.

If he did have the Herzog crossed over to PSA it should have received a MC qualifier. PSA assigns a MC to a card that has any part of the name or team
cut off.
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[tedzan]

David Hall called me after the REA auction to tell me that he had won the Herzog / UZIT graded, and that PSA graded it a 1/2 point lower than SGC.
As most of us know, David is part owner of the PSA outfit and has all his T206 cards PSA graded.

So, I'm not sure what you are implying ?

It appears as if you are questioning my statement in post #31. If so, I have no further comment.


Post #31
Hi Ronnie

The Herzog / UZIT in REA that you are referring to was my card. I offered it to David Hall at the 2013 National.
I gave him a price, but he suggested that I consign it to REA in order to see what market value it would rise to.
He won this card; and, of course he had it graded by PSA.




http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/UZITHerzogSGC45.jpg . http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/herzogUZITx50b.jpg



TED Z
.

[Gobucsmagic74]

Here's my "unique" T206 Cobb Red Portrait with severe diamond cut and WST. Not sure how rare this is but it certainly isn't run of the mill.

[Pat R]

David Hall called me after the REA auction to tell me that he had won the Herzog / UZIT graded, and that PSA graded it a 1/2 point lower than SGC.
As most of us know, David is part owner of the PSA outfit and has all his T206 cards PSA graded.

So, I'm not sure what you are implying ?

It appears as if you are questioning my statement in post #31. If so, I have no further comment.


Post #31

Ted, I wasn't questioning your statement perhaps the wording in my post
wasn't the best. I was questioning if he might have received a favorable
grade based on PSA's grading standards. The Herzog clearly has part of
the name and team cut off.
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[T206Collector]

WeLL Pat...
Thankz fir CalliN me Out! :)

iN My Haste, I Surly Misspoke ~
Ahhh Howevar, we're Both abit off!

He's actually Mr. Myers...
And I JuST Remembered da Wrong "Chief"

"I Really meant it WHeN i felt humble..." :o

Whoa... I'm not sure I've ever seen a "confirmed" strip of 3 T206 card fronts before! Blackburne, Myers, Hoffman! Whoa

[tedzan]

Ted, I wasn't questioning your statement perhaps the wording in my post
wasn't the best. I was questioning if he might have received a favorable
grade based on PSA's grading standards. The Herzog clearly has part of
the name and team cut off.



Pat

You may be correct in that observation.

I'm not much of a fan of the card grading system. I think that some times it can be quite arbitrary. For example,
I refer to the AB 460 Jennings card which I posted. First graded "Authentic", subsequently graded SGC 60.
Hey, I'm not complaining. I like the Ex grade (which, in my opinion this card should have been graded initially).



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsHandx50_1.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsHand50xb.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsSGC60.jpg



TED Z
.

[MVSNYC]

Ted- did you crack out the Jennings from its "A" slab and resubmitted raw? Nice bump.

[tedzan]

Ted- did you crack out the Jennings from its "A" slab and resubmitted raw? Nice bump.

Hi Mike

Absolutely yes !

Hey guy....how's the snow storm in NYC today ?


TED Z
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[Vegas-guy]

This AB 460 Jennings card was a unique T206 when I acquired it years ago. It was graded SGC A. Recently, I have seen one more.

I am displaying the 2 scans here of the same card. A couple of years ago, I cracked it open and submitted it to SGC. This time SGC
graded it an SGC 60. Check out SGC's Pop report, you will see two cards listed for this AB 460 Jennings....a SGC A and a SGC 60.
They are one-in-the-same card.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsHandx50_1.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsHand50xb.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/AB460JenningsSGC60.jpg


TED Z
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Here's the other SGC 60 that I used to own. Sold to a fellow board member in '14

[David R]

Back long before grading companies broke out different T206 tobacco company reverses, and because I no longer have the card, so no scan possible, I held a PSA 7 Griffith batting with a Drum reverse, so sweet it breaks my heart to even think about it. For all I know, David Hall has it in his private vault.

I have the Drum Griffith card but only a PSA 2

[tedzan]

This T206 was ungraded for a long time; and, during that period it was unique. In recent years I had it graded.
But, it's no longer 1 of 1. Now there is another Elberfeld / DRUM graded (PSA 3).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/T206ElberfeldDRUM.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/T206ElberfeldDRUMx25b.jpg


TED Z
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[tedzan]

While we are on the subject of DRUM cards, I think my Frank Delehanty DRUM may be a unique T206 card.
I'm curious if anyone else on this forum has seen (or has) another one ?


A-B-C-D connection of my favorite T206 subject in the 350-only series.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/FrankDelahantyABCDx50.jpg
.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/FrankDelahantyABCDx50b.jpg


TED Z
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[iowadoc77]

While we are on the subject of DRUM cards, I think my Frank Delehanty DRUM may be a unique T206 card.
I'm curious if anyone else on this forum has seen (or has) another one ?


A-B-C-D connection of my favorite T206 subject in the 350-only series.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/FrankDelahantyABCDx50.jpg
.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/FrankDelahantyABCDx50b.jpg


TED Z
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Outstanding ABCDs Ted!

[tedzan]

Thanks, Eric


A Net54 "reader" emailed me regarding SGC's Pop report indicating a Frank Delehanty DRUM card listed SGC A. I informed him that I think that is my card.
Circa 2007, I acquired this Delehanty. It was in an SGC A plastic. And, I cracked it out of the plastic and placed it in high quality mylar.

My experience in tracking DRUM cards indicates that quite a number of the T206 Minor Leaguers from the 350-only series appear to be 1 of 1 cards. So, it
would not surprise me if another Frank Delehanty / DRUM never shows up.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Double post.

[tedzan]

I'm not sure what I have left of 1 of 1s? But I must have had a few at one time as I had many Red Hindus,,,, my favorite one of one is the T206 Eddie Collins batting though,

My favorite of all time. I would rather have that than the Wagner any day.

Hi Scot

That's quite a statement....regarding your preference for the Collins (with bat) card over the Wagner card !

Do you have any theory's why American Litho printed him, but withheld him ?

TED Z
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[CMIZ5290]

Hi Scot

That's quite a statement....regarding your preference for the Collins (with bat) card over the Wagner card !

Do you have any theory's why American Litho printed him, but withheld him ?

TED Z
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No way over a Wagner or a Cobb/Cobb back....Please...

[PhillipAbbott79]

I suppose in theory you can always locate and purchase another Wagner if you had enough funds.

There are only a few cosmological events that could occur for you to get a shot at the Collins proof.

[sycks22]

Scraperton

[sreader3]

Hi Scot

That's quite a statement....regarding your preference for the Collins (with bat) card over the Wagner card !

Do you have any theory's why American Litho printed him, but withheld him ?

TED Z
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Hi Ted,

Your theories are as good (probably better) than mine about the great enigma Collins (With Bat) proof. I tend to think that American Tobacco didn't get his written authorization back by the deadline in winter/spring 1909 and, since he was an emerging star and a Columbia grad (i.e. a smart guy), decided to remove him from printing. Maybe he even explicitly objected or threatened them with a lawsuit -- can you imagine if he did that and someone produced the letter 108 years later? Now that would be big!

I have no strong evidence that delayed (or lack of) authorization was the reason Collins (With Bat) wasn't printed. But consider the portraits in the 350-only series. The Hall of Famers are basically Eddie Collins, minor leaguers (Beckley and Jimmy Collins) and Rube Marquard (who didn't emerge as a star until 1911). Makes no sense that Eddie Collins would be printed as a 350-only portrait unless there was some sort of unusual delay. My best guess is that Collins (With Bat) and Collins (Portrait, Philadelphia) were both supposed to be 150/350 releases, but ATC was forced to delay and mothballed the With Bat version entirely.

Scot

EDITED TO ADD: For those who are unaware, the American Tobacco Company sought written permission from the players who it wished to include in the set we now (thanks to Jefferson Burdick) call T206:

http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_96.html

[ty_cobb]

I do remember the T206 Collins Proof was found at the same time as 8 or so Southern Leaguers (also un-issued). He was the only major league player. I don't have a better explanation for it not appearing , perhaps the permission letter theory is as good as any. I believe R.L. bought the card for the princely sum of $18,, oh how the times have changed,,,

[MVSNYC]

What we have to remember, proofs were not only made to make sure colors and registration were correct, but furthermore, it was a final approval stage for production. Just a thought here, there might've been a bunch of designs that were scraped because they weren't visually appealing. Not saying the Collins is ugly, but the pose and his stance are a little awkward, IMO. Not a card I'd take over a Wagner. ;)