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Snapolit1
03-07-2017, 03:07 PM
See a bunch of these popping up for sale lately. Realize there are a lot of fakes and that SGC won't even grade them anymore. Would anyone have qualms about buying a Beckett graded one? Prices almost seem too low on what I've seen.

orly57
03-07-2017, 03:37 PM
Fro Joys have been on my "do not buy" list for some time. I read an article once that alleged that there are actually more fakes out there than authentics. Turned me off completely.
As for trusting Beckett, I stopped trusting them after they assured 13 year-old me that Todd Van Popple would be the next Nolan Ryan. I probably have 100 Van Popple rookies in my parent's house somewhere. Beckett is not to be trusted.

ullmandds
03-07-2017, 03:48 PM
thats funny Orlando! personally I find fro joys to be some of the least expensive period ruths available...and with some practice you should be able to tell real from fake...although I def agree there are more fakes than real out there.

I'd hoard them!!!!

Leon
03-07-2017, 06:59 PM
I don't think they would holder them if they weren't sure. I am sending some to them soon to be graded.

See a bunch of these popping up for sale lately. Realize there are a lot of fakes and that SGC won't even grade them anymore. Would anyone have qualms about buying a Beckett graded one? Prices almost seem too low on what I've seen.

EvilKing00
03-07-2017, 09:48 PM
I have 2 graded by becket, both are real. Just bought another graded by becket, im hoping its real too, lol. 3 more to go for the set! :D

Snapolit1
03-07-2017, 10:08 PM
If SGC says we are no longer confident that we can determine real ones from fakes, not sure how much confidence one should have in any of the other grading companies. Maybe others see it differently.

drcy
03-07-2017, 10:23 PM
I assume the Beckett ones are fine.

mechanicalman
03-07-2017, 10:36 PM
Fro Joys have been on my "do not buy" list for some time. I read an article once that alleged that there are actually more fakes out there than authentics. Turned me off completely.
As for trusting Beckett, I stopped trusting them after they assured 13 year-old me that Todd Van Popple would be the next Nolan Ryan. I probably have 100 Van Popple rookies in my parent's house somewhere. Beckett is not to be trusted.

So funny because it's true.

Zach Wheat
03-08-2017, 08:07 AM
If SGC says we are no longer confident that we can determine real ones from fakes, not sure how much confidence one should have in any of the other grading companies. Maybe others see it differently.

I had the same concerns and sold off my Ruth Fro Joys last year. Even when I felt I knew what I was looking at I always had doubts lingering.

Z

Snapolit1
03-08-2017, 09:59 AM
When I see a graded 1928 Ruth card show up on eBay with a $99.00 BIN I have to wonder.

If anyone can point me to another graded Ruth card from the peak of his career going to less than $100 please do. I'd be interested in buying it.

Leon
03-08-2017, 10:03 AM
When I see a graded 1928 Ruth card show up on eBay with a $99.00 BIN I have to wonder.

If anyone can point me to another graded Ruth card from the peak of his career going to less than $100 please do. I'd be interested in buying it.

You are mistaking if you think those grip cards aren't real. They are but who wants a card of a hand grip? Education/experience is the key here. I almost pulled the trigger on the others but already have some and the prices aren't that low for the conditions. (no grip cards please)

Yoda
03-08-2017, 12:33 PM
One of the amusing side-bars to the set is card number #1 (I think) of Ruth sitting down in the dugout. The photographer politely asks if Ruth wouldn't mind taking his gum out during the shoot. The Babe, always obliging, parks it on top of his cap where it can be clearly seen in the photo. Great stuff.

Clutch-Hitter
03-08-2017, 12:33 PM
Don't make me get the black light out.

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Leon
03-08-2017, 12:36 PM
Those look good from the scans. Nice grip cards too!! ;)

Clutch-Hitter
03-08-2017, 12:38 PM
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These help in your learning, although they're tougher to find than Ruth (no longer own some of the Tunney's).

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Clutch-Hitter
03-08-2017, 12:40 PM
Those look good from the scans. Nice grip cards too!! ;)

Thanks, Leon :)

drcy
03-08-2017, 01:34 PM
As had been said, get a Tunney for comparison as that card hasn't been reprinted and forged as the Ruth.

ls7plus
03-08-2017, 07:14 PM
Fro Joys have been on my "do not buy" list for some time. I read an article once that alleged that there are actually more fakes out there than authentics. Turned me off completely.
As for trusting Beckett, I stopped trusting them after they assured 13 year-old me that Todd Van Popple would be the next Nolan Ryan. I probably have 100 Van Popple rookies in my parent's house somewhere. Beckett is not to be trusted.

A double +1 on the above!

Highest regards,

Larry

Exhibitman
03-09-2017, 01:07 PM
I bought a set of them years ago after I'd spent a good deal of time studying the Tunney cards. I was able to compare them side by side and I am 100% confident that I had genuine cards. BVG slabbed them for me at a National quite some time ago. I've sold them off over the years except for one I kept for my collection, the gum-hat one.

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/miscellaneous5/websize/1928%20Fro%20Joy%20Ruth%201_1.jpg

I've handled enough genuine Tunney cards that I would be fine buying a Ruth but it would have to be raw so I could make the determination myself.