Carl Horner Question

[CardMD]

I love to group my cards into different categories (pose / set / player / team) and I make different PPT pages with them (have another thread about them).

Recently I was making a Carl Horner portrait page with all my cards with his photos and I wanted to put a picture of him on that page but I can't find any photos of him online. Anyone have a photo of Carl Horner? Here is the start to my Horner tribute page (Johnson photo is from Horner right? I think it is the same pose as the Ramly? ) Thanks.

BTW, great piece on Horner:
http://www.thenationalpastimemuseum.com/article/carl-horners-greatest-hit-and-more


Aaron

[prewarsports]

There is a photo of Horner and his wife on page 232 of the Henry Yee book on baseball photography.

[Bicem]

That Matty image is Benjamin Falk and not Horner.

[Bicem]

Also, has the Cobb portrait been definitively attributed to Horner?

[MVSNYC]

Hi Jeff- I've always understood the Cobb portrait to be a Horner...

A quick google search produced several mentions of it, here's one:

http://www.goodwinandco.com/mobile/lotdetail.aspx?inventoryid=6687&seo=1909_11_lenox_t206_ty_cobb_portrait__red_backg roun

[Jobu]

I have never seen the actual Horner photo used for Johnson's portrait. Does anyone here have a copy? It sold at Christie's years ago. I contacted them to try to get a scan but they sent me to another company that wanted a ton of money just to send me the listing.

These do not list the photographer, but here are some T206 with the photos used to make them:

http://t206resource.com/Photos%20Gallery.html

[gnaz01]

I have never seen the actual Horner photo used for Johnson's portrait. Does anyone here have a copy? It sold at Christie's years ago. I contacted them to try to get a scan but they sent me to another company that wanted a ton of money just to send me the listing.

These do not list the photographer, but here are some T206 with the photos used to make them:

http://t206resource.com/Photos%20Gallery.html

I've looked for the Horner photo of WaJo for quite some time myself.......

[Baseball Rarities]

Here is the Horner of Johnson that sold in the 1996 Christie's sale. It sold for $3,450 against a $1,000/$1,500 estimate. I was the frustrated underbidder. It has not changed hands since the sale and currently resides in one of the top collections in the country.

[gnaz01]

Here is the Horner of Johnson that sold in the 1996 Christie's sale. It sold for $3,450 against a $1,000/$1,500 estimate. I was the frustrated underbidder.

Awesome Kevin. Is there a high res version somewhere out there??

[Baseball Rarities]

Awesome Kevin. Is there a high res version somewhere out there??

Not that I know of. All I have is the image from the catalog.

[Jobu]

Kevin! You are my hero! Thank you for posting that - what a great image. I had settled on looking at the M116.

[Bicem]

Hi Jeff- I've always understood the Cobb portrait to be a Horner...

A quick google search produced several mentions of it, here's one:

http://www.goodwinandco.com/mobile/lotdetail.aspx?inventoryid=6687&seo=1909_11_lenox_t206_ty_cobb_portrait__red_backg roun

Anything more reliable than Goodwin?

[edjs]

and currently resides in one of the top collections in the country.

That is not in my collection! Oh, sorry, I just noticed you said "one of the top," not "the" top. My bad. :D

[MVSNYC]

REA...

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2006/spring/160/1909-1911-t206-white-borders-cobb-collection/

Leland's...

https://www.pricerealized.com/#!/Item/736154/Ty-Cobb-First-Generation-T206-Pose-Vintage-Photograph-by-Carl-Horner

[gnaz01]

Weren't the W600's Horner Portraits???

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-cards/singles-pre-1930-/1902-11-w600-sporting-life-cabinet-ty-cobb-psa-authentic/a/7075-80061.s

[Baseball Rarities]

Some. Not all.

[Leon]

Some. Not all.

What great Matty cabinets!! Thanks for showing them, Kevin. Horner is still the only thing on my office walls. Just ask Al C. who got a firsthand look recently....

[GKreindler]

Bryan, out of curiosity, who was the company that Christie's sent you to? Any recollection as to what they were charging?

[Baseball Rarities]

What great Matty cabinets!! Thanks for showing them, Kevin.

I wish that they were mine. Unfortunately, all I have are images that I have collected over the years. :)

[Bicem]

REA...

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2006/spring/160/1909-1911-t206-white-borders-cobb-collection/

Leland's...

https://www.pricerealized.com/#!/Item/736154/Ty-Cobb-First-Generation-T206-Pose-Vintage-Photograph-by-Carl-Horner

Would still like to see some definitive proof. Not saying it's not Horner, but auction descriptions aren't enough to convince me.

[Bpm0014]

Here's my original Horner. Used to make the George Mullin T206 card.

[gnaz01]

Here's mine, apparently cut from the larger composite and used for his T206 card

[Jobu]

Greg, I just checked and "ton of money" was a bit of an exaggeration on my part. I had to give my country and my intended use for the image (personal). It was going to be $60 for a high res digital file. I am not sure whether that would have been just the photo or a scan of the listing. I didn't feel like spending $60 for a scan, so I passed. I was sent to:

Bridgeman Images
T: 212-828-1238 my
274 Madison Avenue, Suite 1604
New York, NY
bridgemanimages.com

The lot itself is still online, but it has no images:

http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/horner-cabinet-of-walter-johnson-1087675-details.aspx?from=salesummery&intObjectID=1087675&sid=76808ba3-18a7-43da-bebb-abb804d3bcab




Bryan, out of curiosity, who was the company that Christie's sent you to? Any recollection as to what they were charging?

[Leon]

Here's my original Horner. Used to make the George Mullin T206 card.

Nice photo. Is that a stand alone photo or was it taken from a larger piece? I don't think anyone has done portraits better than Horner.

[Bpm0014]

Thx man. Stand alone photo from 1906.

[CardMD]

There is a photo of Horner and his wife on page 232 of the Henry Yee book on baseball photography.

Thank you!!

Quick check on amazon - $618 bucks wow. Anyone with a copy can scan a quick pick of Horner?

Aaron

[pbspelly]

These Sullivans are all based on a Horner portrait, by the way. The first three are mine, but I don't own the E107 Breisch Williams. Somebody on the board actually owns an original Horner cabinet of him.

[GKreindler]

Thanks so much for the tip, Bryan. I just shot them an email.

[prewarsports]

I will post a pic of Horner for you from the book.

[Jantz]

Thank you!!

Quick check on amazon - $618 bucks wow. Anyone with a copy can scan a quick pick of Horner?

Aaron

Horner & wife, Tilly

pg.232

[MVSNYC]

That could be the first ever Selfie, as I'm sure he clicked something with his left hand to take the shot. :)

[benchod]

Courtesy of B&L

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=263257&stc=1&d=1487988927

[CardMD]

Horner & wife, Tilly

pg.232

awesome. thanks!

Aaron

[Den*nis O*Brien]

....the controversy vs. Art Kruger that used to swirl around Paul's portrait on a T206. That is until our own Frank sorted it out. I actually have that missing corner piece.

[Bicem]

Awesome Sullivan Horner!