help with these autos

[tdellis]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/192079431228?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT




http://www.ebay.com/itm/192079435943?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


http://www.ebay.com/itm/192079441040?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

here are three links to autos
keefe
connor
rusie


can you give opinions on if they are real, I tried copying the photo but res was inadequate
thanks

[Michael B]

These listings are discussed in another thread titled 'An Interesting e bay seller'

[MooseDog]

Almost certainly Ron Dross forgeries from the 1980s.

[Scott Garner]

Rusie is certainly a blatant fake, FWIW :mad:

[tdellis]

if there are known forgers in the autograph collecting world that have proliferated the autograph market over the years with fakes I wonder if there has been anyone who has created a database of frauds and forgers so they can be tracked over the years????

[Mr. Zipper]

if there are known forgers in the autograph collecting world that have proliferated the autograph market over the years with fakes I wonder if there has been anyone who has created a database of frauds and forgers so they can be tracked over the years????

Any reputable authenticator has done this. I have a database of thousands of fakes. In many cases, for the common mass-produced fake styles, I know who the forger is or at least the primary source they came from.

The TPAs have databases of the known major fake styles of common forgeries.

[tdellis]

how do i get a database like that? as a common person who buys an autograph?

[Lordstan]

It just takes time. A good way to do it, is to copy photos that are posted here as good or bad into an appropriately marked folder. Not saying we are perfect here, but they are many posted that are universally agreed upon as one or the other. You can start with those.

[Mr. Zipper]

how do i get a database like that? as a common person who buys an autograph?

Carefully study the market. Watch auction catalogs, ebay sellers and network with other collectors for 20+ years.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Any reputable authenticator has done this. I have a database of thousands of fakes. In many cases, for the common mass-produced fake styles, I know who the forger is or at least the primary source they came from.

The TPAs have databases of the known major fake styles of common forgeries.

Like Steve has done, I, too, have a database of thousands of forgeries.

It's a necessity.