For the N173 Old Judge Fans

[jwciv]

came across a stash of 15 cards in an album, thought I'd share a few images. probably going up to auction with REA

[shernan30]

Were there any Columbus Solons?


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[jwciv]

Were there any Columbus Solons?


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No. Here's the list:
Kelly, Boston, with bat
Brouthers, Boston, with bat
Dwyer, Chicago, with ball
Chas Comisky, St. Louis Browns, on mound
H Duffy, Chicago, with bat
Brown, Boston, with bat
CA Farrell, Chicago, on mound
Gumbert, Chicago, with bat
C.C. King, St. Louis Browns, with ball
Ryan, Chicago, with ball
B. Nash, Boston (Dogs Head and Old Judge)
NY Mascot, with ball (Dogs Head and Old Judge)
Richardson, Boston, with bat
Radbourn, Boston, with ball
A Latham, St. Louis Browns, with bat

[trdcrdkid]

Wow!!! Those are beautiful! 😲😲😲

[ramram]

:eek: Are you sure they are originals?

Rob M

[jwciv]

:eek: Are you sure they are originals?

Rob M

Pretty sure based on source of cards. Why do you ask?

[autograf]

As they said in Seinfeld.........."they're real and they're spectacular!"

[ramram]

Pretty sure based on source of cards. Why do you ask?

Because it's such a rare find, rare condition, and has some heavy hitters in there. Also, its just a standard reaction when looking at them and drooling.

Rob M

[autograf]

no kidding

[Leon]

This thread was copied from the BST to the front page.....nice cards!!

[h2oya311]

how does one "come across a stash" in an album??

That's one heck of a find! Congrats!

[JustinD]

Whoa, nice find!

That mascot card is awesome.

Could you post them all? I would love to see the rest, especially some of those heavy hitters.

[Jeffrompa]

REA is the right place to sell . Can't wait to see them all there .

[paul]

I can't believe a Dogs Head mascot card even exists. Outstanding.

[Jason]

I really like the Mascot Cabinet and that Billy Nash is pretty amazing too. Great pickups the Spring REA auction should be a great one.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Were there any Columbus Solons?


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Nobody cares about Columbus [emoji6]

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[BeanTown]

Ok, so I'll place the over/under on 10 PMs, Since posting to the home page. Great find and the Mascot Cabinet would be my favorite one to chase!!

[Tyler]

Willie Breslin!
Awesome find, would love to see the others.

[Joe_G.]

Very nice find with some clues that this might be an original collection from 1889 (player/team combos and Dogs Head mounts date many to 1889). The collector seems to have liked Boston & Chicago with a weak spot for the NY mascot and a couple St. Louis players.

Best of luck with them and thanks for the early preview!

[JeremyW]

This might be the best find that I've seen on this forum in the last five years. I would love to hear some more details & see some more scans. I'm surprised this post hasn't caused more of a commotion.

[bnorth]

This might be the best find that I've seen on this forum in the last five years. I would love to hear some more details & see some more scans. I'm surprised this post hasn't caused more of a commotion.

I am sure it has caused quite a commotion in his PM box.:)

That mascot card is AWESOME!!!

[JeremyW]

Correct. When the OP said "probably" going to REA, he/she left the door open.

[jwciv]

Correct. When the OP said "probably" going to REA, he/she left the door open.

I went with REA, and dealing with Brian has been great. Thanks for all the PMs and offers, I decided that putting them up this way would be best for all. The cards are in the current Spring auction.

oldjudge has been especially helpful with his observations and advice, not to mention the book he co-authored which I bought in a heartbeat when I heard about it.

Here's the cards and the lot numbers.

Lot 35 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet King Kelly SGC VG 40
Lot 36 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Old Hoss Radbourn SGC VG/EX+ 55 - Highest Graded
Lot 38 1887 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Dan Brouthers SGC GOOD 30
Lot 41 1888 N173 Old Judge Dogs Head Cabinet Billy Nash SGC EX 60 - Highest Graded
Lot 48 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Arlie Latham SGC VG+ 45
Lot 33 1887 N173 Old Judge Dogs Head Cabinet New York Mascot Willie Breslin SGC VG/EX 50
Lot 40 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Charles Comiskey SGC EX 60 - Highest Graded
Lot 39 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Hugh Duffy SGC POOR 10
Lot 46 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet C. C. King SGC GOOD+ 35 - Highest Graded
Lot 49 1887 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Tom Brown SGC VG 40
Lot 42 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Jimmy Ryan SGC VG/EX 50
Lot 43 1889 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Ad Gumbert SGC EX/NM 80 - Highest Graded
Lot 44 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Hardy Richardson SGC EX 60
Lot 50 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Duke Farrell SGC VG/EX 50
Lot 55 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Frank Dwyer SGC GOOD 30

[JeremyW]

You made a smart move.

[gnaz01]

You made a smart move.

+1

[clydepepper]

As they said in Seinfeld.........."they're real and they're spectacular!"



Hey, Tom - that was something else. :eek:

[ramram]

What is the Las Vegas Over/Under on the group (pre-fee)? $100k?

Rob M

[bn2cardz]

What is the Las Vegas Over/Under on the group (pre-fee)? $100k?

Rob M

Pre fee do you mean without the Buyer's Premium?

If so I would make the O/U $70,001

[WillowGrove]

Pre fee do you mean without the Buyer's Premium?

If so I would make the O/U $70,001


That sounds pretty good. I did a quick back o' the envelope calculations and figured $67k.

[jwciv]

What is the Las Vegas Over/Under on the group (pre-fee)? $100k?

Rob M

Of course I'm hoping for more - - https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidseideman/2017/04/24/a-new-big-find-100k-trove-of-1800s-baseball-cards-kept-in-family-scrap-book/#5b61f4125c0c

Time will tell, less than 40 hours to go...

[Joe_G.]

Nice article, lots of good information, a few errors.

The correct size for these cabinet cards would be 4 1/4" x 6 1/2".

Old Judge cabinets date to 1888 & 1889 (not 1887-88), this collection appearing to be nearly all, if not all, from 1889.

These photos were not taken in Brooklyn, many would be from Gray Studio in Boston, others scattered about (many different studios are responsible for the original pictures).

One omission to the article is the rarity and desirability of the Dogs Head mounts.

Great looking cabinets, wish there were a few Detroit examples as I'd join the mix.

[jwciv]

thanks for adding your knowledge!

[bn2cardz]

That sounds pretty good. I did a quick back o' the envelope calculations and figured $67k.

You would have been closer if talking about pre BP.

Values are with BP added in:
Lot 35 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet King Kelly SGC VG 40 $7,200.00
Lot 36 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Old Hoss Radbourn SGC VG/EX+ 55 - Highest Graded $19,200.00
Lot 38 1887 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Dan Brouthers SGC GOOD 30 $3,000.00
Lot 41 1888 N173 Old Judge Dogs Head Cabinet Billy Nash SGC EX 60 - Highest Graded $4,200.00
Lot 48 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Arlie Latham SGC VG+ 45 $1,560.00
Lot 33 1887 N173 Old Judge Dogs Head Cabinet New York Mascot Willie Breslin SGC VG/EX 50 $9,600.00
Lot 40 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Charles Comiskey SGC EX 60 - Highest Graded $9,000.00
Lot 39 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Hugh Duffy SGC POOR 10 $3,900.00
Lot 46 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet C. C. King SGC GOOD+ 35 - Highest Graded $1,800.00
Lot 49 1887 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Tom Brown SGC VG 40 $1,320.00
Lot 42 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Jimmy Ryan SGC VG/EX 50 $2,400.00
Lot 43 1889 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Ad Gumbert SGC EX/NM 80 - Highest Graded $5,100.00
Lot 44 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Hardy Richardson SGC EX 60 $1,920.00
Lot 50 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Duke Farrell SGC VG/EX 50 $1,920.00
Lot 55 1888 N173 Old Judge Cabinet Frank Dwyer SGC GOOD 30 $1,560.00


$73,680.00 - After BP
$61,400.00 - Pre BP