Mystery's of the 1933 Goudey set....and, show us your Goudey's

[tedzan]

Imagine you are in a Time Machine that transports you back to the Spring of 1933. Kids and older collectors were very excited with the new Goudey Gum cards.
You could get colorful cards of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jimmy Foxx, Dizzy Dean, etc. But, trying to put together a set of these cards became quite frustrating
because certain lower numbered cards were not available. By the end of the Summer of 1933 you diligently put together a set of 191 different subjects. Plus,
tons of duplicates as the result of spending lots of pennies trying to acquire the missing lower # cards (precisely 22 cards). In September Goudey issued their
9th sheet of cards (#s 214 - 231, and 97, 98, 99, 128, 129, 142). Finally, six of the mysterious lower numbered cards were available. So, 16 more to go.

That brings us to the World Series sheet. The 10th sheet was printed in mid October, the cards were issued in November 1933. The bios on the backs of them
reflect the 1933 World Series between the NY Giants and Washington. From my set, I have arranged these cards to exactly simulate this 24-card sheet..........


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx107x108x109xx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx110x111x112xx13.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx113x114x121xx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx122x123x124xx12.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx125x126x127xx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx232x233x234xx13.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx235x236x237xx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx238x239x240xx12.jpg


This diagram of the 10th sheet tells the story when the remaining 15 (of the 16) mysterious lower numbered cards where finally issued.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1933Gsheet10arrange75x.jpg


And, of course #106 (Lajoie) was issued in the Summer of 1934 to finally complete this 240-card set.

T'was a clever marketing trick that Goudey played in order to sell a lot of cards in 1933......but, it was also a "mean" trick on the collectors.

This Show-n-Tell will hopefully spark some interesting discussion regarding this great Goudey set. Show us some your "oldies-but-goodies" Goudey's.


TED Z
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[Mountaineer1999]

This is great Ted! Fun read and a nice little Goudey history lesson for me.

[tedzan]

1934 GOUDEY Hi #s (#73 - 96) sheet which includes the #106 Lajoie card.....printed and issued circa Summer 1934.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1934Goudey25cardsheet25x.jpg


TED Z
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[brianp-beme]

Imagine you are in a Time Machine that transports you back to the Spring of 1933. Kids (and older) collectors were very excited with the Goudey Gum cards.
You could get colorful cards of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jimmy Foxx, Dizzy Dean, etc. But, trying to put together a set of these cards became quite frustrating
because certain lower numbered cards were not available. By the end of the Summer of 1933 you diligently put together a set of 191 different subjects. Plus,
tons of duplicates as the result of spending lots of pennies trying to acquire the missing lower # cards (precisely 22 cards). In September Goudey issued their
9th sheet of cards (#s 214 - 231, and 97, 98, 99, 128, 129, 142). Finally, six of the mysterious lower numbered cards were available. So, 16 more to go.

That brings us to the World Series sheet. The 10th sheet was printed in mid October, the cards were issued in November 1933. The bios on the backs of them
reflect the 1933 World Series between the NY Giants and Washington. From my set, I have arranged these cards to exactly simulate this 24-card sheet..........


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx107x108x109xx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx110x111x112xx13.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx113x114x121xx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx122x123x124xx12.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx125x126x127xx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx232x233x234xx13.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx235x236x237xx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx238x239x240xx12.jpg


This diagram of the sheet tells the story when the remaining 15 (of the 16) mysterious lower numbered cards where finally issued.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1933Gsheet10arrange.jpg


And, of course #106 (Lajoie) was issued in the Summer of 1934 to finally complete this 240-card set.

T'was a clever marketing trick that Goudey played in order to sell a lot of cards in 1933......but, it was also a "mean" trick on the collectors.

This Show-n-Tell will hopefully spark some interesting discussion regarding this great Goudey set. Show us some your "oldies-but-goodies" Goudey's.


TED Z
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I always liked the look of most of the artwork of the 1933 Goudey cards without the red advertising bar at the bottom, like the cards in the re-creation of the World Series sheet shown by Ted. For such a large set the 1933 Goudey were surprisingly error-free (the only change to the set that I know occurred with card #6 Dykes, which has his age corrected on the back bio write-up).

But they did make a change which makes the set not quite as consistent stylistically as, for example, the Cracker Jack sets. I always wondered what the reason was to drop the red bar, which occurred prior to the issuance of the World Series cards. I personally like both versions, but I can see where some collectors might wince at the difference.

Brian

[tedzan]

This pose of Rogers Hornsby is one of my favorite cards in this Goudey set.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1933ghornsby.jpg
Gee guys, am I the only one on this forum with 1933 Goudeys ?

I don't think so, so let us see some of your favorite cards.


TED Z
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[clydepepper]

More Great Stuff, Ted!

Very Much Appreciated!


Here's the Goudeys I have scans of:

248554

248555

248556

248557

248558

248559

248560

[buymycards]

Hi Ted, I love the 33's. It is difficult to pick a favorite because they are all so interesting. I have about 20 lower grade commons. At one time I was putting the set together and I was up to 108. I sold them and I wish I still had them.

Thank you for the interesting history lesson.

Rick

[Leon]

I need more Goudeys....

http://luckeycards.com/pr319ruth2a.jpg

[brianp-beme]

A picture is worth a thousand (divided by approximately 8) cards. Slice and Dice 'em, which gets rid of that red advertising bar at bottom, then Rack and Stack 'em for a little artistic flair. A few 1934 cards thrown in as ballast.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Examples of my least favorite 1933 Goudey cards are the ones that include heavy, dark outlining around the player's image. Examples of this would be the Walberg, Farrell and to a lesser degree Mahaffey as seen in Rick's scan of his Goudey cards. They have always thrown my eye off. I guess not all cards within the set can be perfect.

Brian

[tiger8mush]

Thanks for the timeline info, Ted. Neat to read!

I pick up a cheap Goudey every so often ...

[tedzan]

I always liked the look of most of the artwork of the 1933 Goudey cards without the red advertising bar at the bottom, like the cards in the re-creation of the World Series sheet shown by Ted. For such a large set the 1933 Goudey were surprisingly error-free (the only change to the set that I know occurred with card #6 Dykes, which has his age corrected on the back bio write-up).

But they did make a change which makes the set not quite as consistent stylistically as, for example, the Cracker Jack sets. I always wondered what the reason was to drop the red bar, which occurred prior to the issuance of the World Series cards. I personally like both versions, but I can see where some collectors might wince at the difference.

Brian


Hey Brian

Have you ever come across any of the cards from this set's first 7 sheets that have the Big League strip cut off ?

I had a bunch of them [including Ruth (#144)]. I sold most of these cut cards, but I may still have one (or two)
hidden in my archives box. If I find them, I will post them.


TED Z
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[wolf441]

Here's a few that I've owned:

[brianp-beme]

Ted...I sold most of the stack as seen in my previous post, but did keep these 9 cards. The first four would have had the red advertising bar on the bottom, while the second group of five were issued without that bar. Evidently the original collector of these cut them all to be a consistent size.

Note the outline around Durocher's noggin, the Ott with green background, and the Berg...examples (in my opinion) of the detracting artwork choices seen in some of the 33 Goudey cards. I always liked, however, that dynamic Berg background.

Brian

[Shoebox]

Gee guys, am I the only one on this forum with 1933 Goudeys ?

I don't think so, so let us see some of your favorite cards.


TED Z
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Only have a handful and none better than VG but I have an affinity for this one that apparently some kid used as a tally sheet for something.

http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj594/Drinkmorebeer/EPSON2442_zpsc7hx4b2o.jpg (http://s1269.photobucket.com/user/Drinkmorebeer/media/EPSON2442_zpsc7hx4b2o.jpg.html)

I have always wondered if perhaps the success of Goudey's tricks with skip numbering and no card #106 at all didn't perhaps poison the well for them with collectors going forward. Did selling lots of cards in 33 come at the expense of kids/collectors with a sour taste in their mouth towards them in later years?

[Billy5858]

I need more Goudeys....

http://luckeycards.com/pr319ruth2a.jpg

This card would surely be a PWCC (HE) and sell for double the SMR like they have recently been doing.

[LuckyLarry]

I'm about 80% complete with my set needing 46 cards. Here are a couple of my favorites:
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w185/larrytipton/Scan%201_18.jpeg (http://s176.photobucket.com/user/larrytipton/media/Scan%201_18.jpeg.html)

[Kawika]

Very interesting post, Ted, and great thread. Thanks for the education. Didn't realize that they distributed cards as late as November. By then baseball would have been in hibernation for at least a month. The '33 Goudeys were one of the first sets I threw together when I took up vintage card collecting a few years back. The cards appealed to me because they depicted many of the players who by the time I was a kid in the 'fifties were the coaches and managers of the day and many others were still household names. I can even lay claim to having seen several of them play if only as "old-timers" at a game in 1959.
I assembled "collector grade" sets of both the '33s and '34s, cracked some slabs and put them into nifty Roop binders. Because I am a bit OC I wasn't going to have a puka in the 106 slot so I found myself a beaterish-verging-on-roadkill Lajoie to get the job done. It's a joy to lay a book of Goudeys on my lap and peruse the pages. The '33s can be seen, quick'n'dirty style, at this link: http://tinyurl.com/jogydhy

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/sportscardsetc/baseball/1933goudey/websize/33G%20Lajoie.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/sportscardsetc/baseball/1933goudey/websize/33G035.jpg

I'm so old I saw Wally Pipp play. No lie.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/sportscardsetc/baseball/1933goudey/NYT%20Aug%209_1959%20Old%20Timers%20Game%20Boxscor e2.jpg

[leaflover]

No need to turn the card over to see what number it is. Too bad.
I wonder if this collector did the same to his other Goudeys.

[clydepepper]

Aside from that mark, that card is in amazing shape for the first card in the set, noting the extensive wear first cards normally are subjected to.

[Mark]

Very interesting post, Ted, and great thread. Thanks for the education. Didn't realize that they distributed cards as late as November. By then baseball would have been in hibernation for at least a month. The '33 Goudeys were one of the first sets I threw together when I took up vintage card collecting a few years back. The cards appealed to me because they depicted many of the players who by the time I was a kid in the 'fifties were the coaches and managers of the day and many others were still household names. I can even lay claim to having seen several of them play if only as "old-timers" at a game in 1959.
I assembled "collector grade" sets of both the '33s and '34s, cracked some slabs and put them into nifty Roop binders. Because I am a bit OC I wasn't going to have a puka in the 106 slot so I found myself a beaterish-verging-on-roadkill Lajoie to get the job done. It's a joy to lay a book of Goudeys on my lap and peruse the pages. The '33s can be seen, quick'n'dirty style, at this link: http://tinyurl.com/jogydhy

]

Great cards, guys. Kawika, having seen Pipp play does date you a little. But at least you never saw Home Run Baker in the field!

[hangman62]

Great info Ted

I always wondered why it took show long to find those #s' in finishing my beat up set

[Kawika]

Great cards, guys. Kawika, having seen Pipp play does date you a little. But at least you never saw Home Run Baker in the field!
Baker was in the line-up that day. Can't remember with absolute certainty if he played or not. It was 59 years ago and my memory has a lot of mileage on it. I was more excited by the Rifleman playing than anyone else.

[tedzan]

Hey Guys

Shown here is my real life connection with this Goudey set.

Frank O'Rourke coached our High School BB team (Elizabeth, NJ) during the 1950's.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1933GoudeyFrankORourkeX.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1933GoudeyFrankORourkeB.jpg


I was a Left Fielder (or Right Fielder) because I had a great glove, and had a strong and accurate arm. My hitting, at best, was intermittent.


TED Z
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[jcc6252]

At 5'6", I always thought it would be fun to watch Hack Wilson play.

[leaflover]

Ted, In 1947 the Oakland Oaks of the Pacific Coast League spring trained in San Fernando, Ca.. Casey Stengal was their manager and Babe Herman was probably the hitting coach. I will always remember shaking hands with Herman because his hand was bigger than my 1st Baseman's glove.

Ray, When I bought Bengough it was in a SGC holder with no grade just "authentic". I sent it to PSA they graded it and applied the qualifier.

[rgpete]

Works of Art

[tedzan]

Very interesting post, Ted, and great thread. Thanks for the education. Didn't realize that they distributed cards as late as November. By then baseball would have been in hibernation for at least a month.

Thanks, David

The final game of the 1933 WS was Oct 7th. It's my understanding that Goudey designed and printed these 24 cards in two weeks.
So, they may have initially issued these cards as early as late October. But, Goudey did continue issuing them well into November.

Consider the following....in the post-WWII era, we are accustomed to seeing BB cards disappearing by late September and gone by
October because the Gum Co. are issuing their Football cards. This certainly was not the case with Goudey Gum in 1933.


TED Z
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[BBB]

I've always wondered what the 106 Leo Durocher was all about. Haven't even seen a picture of it in years. Heard theory is it was a proof of what was supposed to go to market before the Lajoie scheme was cooked up. Any other theories or awareness if this thing is circulated or in a vault ?


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[hangman62]

ted

how about Eliz bb - lenny green

[tedzan]

I've always wondered what the 106 Leo Durocher was all about. Haven't even seen a picture of it in years. Heard theory is it was a proof of what was supposed to go to market before the Lajoie scheme was cooked up. Any other theories or awareness if this thing is circulated or in a vault ?

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The Leo Durocher #106 card is not a "proof" card.

I closely examined this card in 1981, while visiting with George Moll at his home in Holland, PA. He handed me two Durocher cards from his 1933 Goudey
set (George Moll's favorite set). One card had #147 on it, and the other card had #106 on it.

1st for some history...... the George Moll Advertising Agency (Philadelphia) was the force behind all the Play Ball and Bowman Sports & Non-Sports cards
issued by the Bowman Gum Co. (1938 - 1955). Moll employed 12 professional artists who designed all the cards.

In 1938, George Moll convinced Warren Bowman that he should market his popular Bubble Gum product with trading cards. And that led to "the start of a
beautiful friendship".

If I recall correctly, it's my understanding that his Agency produced this Durocher card as a space-filler for Goudey collectors who didn't have a #106 card.


TED Z
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[brianp-beme]

Great info Ted. That Durocher card has always been a huge mystery within the hobby, and it is surprising that its notoriety pales in comparison to the Lajoie card.

One of the aspects of the 1933 Goudey issue that I think is worth noting is that quality control (or perhaps it can be attributed to more restricted access to production errors) seems to have been much tighter compared to the T206 set. Almost all the cards available are reasonably in register, not missing color passes and not miscut. Cards with printing issues are really hard to come by. Below is one of the few that I have noticed. I imagine there are plenty of others out there, but certainly nowhere near the percentage level of the T206 set.

Brian

[tedzan]

Great info Ted. That Durocher card has always been a huge mystery within the hobby, and it is surprising that its notoriety pales in comparison to the Lajoie card.

One of the aspects of the 1933 Goudey issue that I think is worth noting is that quality control (or perhaps it can be attributed to more restricted access to production errors) seems to have been much tighter compared to the T206 set. Almost all the cards available are reasonably in register, not missing color passes and not miscut. Cards with printing issues are really hard to come by. Below is one of the few that I have noticed. I imagine there are plenty of others out there, but certainly nowhere near the percentage level of the T206 set.

Brian


Brian....thanks for posting your Lefty O'Doul card.

I completely agree with your observation here. Since 1982, I have completed two 1933 Goudey sets; and, I seldom have come across flawed printing in these cards.

Lefty O'Doul is another one of my favorite 1933 Goudey cards. First series card as a Dodger, and his World Series card (post #1) depicts him as a NY Giants player.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/DeLong1933GoudeyODoulx50.jpg



TED Z
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[tedzan]

1933 Goudey BB wrapper

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/a1933gleftygrove.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/aw1933goudey.jpg

TED Z
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[mrmopar]

I don't have it yet, but I was finally able to add a Ruth #181 to my collection in a nice, displayable condition, for a budget minded collector. It has a pin hole in it but is otherwise quite nice. It will go well with my pin-holed 34 Goudey Gehrig! Probably the only way I'd be willing to afford either.

I have always been fascinated by this card since I was first introduced to it, probably by a TCMA, Pacific Trading Cards or Renata Galasso catlog.

[clydepepper]

The Leo Durocher #106 card is not a "proof" card.

I closely examined this card in 1981, while visiting with George Moll at his home in Holland, PA. He handed me two Durocher cards from his 1933 Goudey
set (George Moll's favorite set). One card had #147 on it, and the other card had #106 on it.

1st for some history...... the George Moll Advertising Agency (Philadelphia) was the force behind all the Play Ball and Bowman Sports & Non-Sports cards
issued by the Bowman Gum Co. (1938 - 1955). Moll employed 12 professional artists who designed all the cards.

In 1938, George Moll convinced Warren Bowman that he should market his popular Bubble Gum product with trading cards. And that led to "the start of a
beautiful friendship".

If I recall correctly, it's my understanding that his Agency produced this Durocher card as a space-filler for Goudey collectors who didn't have a #106 card.


TED Z
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Ted -

You are constantly amazing me with your vast knowledge and experience.

What great stories!!

I consider myself lucky as heck to be here to enjoy it all.

Thank You, Sir - for sharing!

-Raymond

[tedzan]

Hey Raymond

I'll try to continue amazing you....so, stay tuned to my future posts :)

Anyway, I really appreciate your very complimentary words.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Ruth vs Root

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/33GbabeRuthxRootx.jpg


October 1, 1932....Wrigley Field was the setting of one of the most talked about scenarios in the history of Baseball......Ruth's called HR.

He drove the ball approx. 470 feet into the centerfield seats. It was his 15th (and last) World Series HR.

Other notable events occurred in this 3rd game between the Yankees and the Cubs.....I'll leave it up to you guys to chime in with them ?


TED Z
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[Matt O'Halloran]

Some of the finest condition signed 1933 Goudeys ever offered are now available on the Heritage auction that just opened.

[tedzan]

What is the unique connection between this Jack Quinn Goudey card and his T206 card ?
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/at206quinn33g.jpg
TED Z
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[nat]

I don't have scans of my Goudeys on hand, but let me come out in favor of the ones with the red bar at the bottom. I like cards that reflect their time period, and for whatever reason the advertising on the Goudeys seems very appropriate for the 1930s to me.

Out of curiosity, does anybody know what happened to the original art for the Goudeys? That would be something.

[tedzan]

Ruth vs Root

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/33GbabeRuthxRootx.jpg

October 1, 1932....Wrigley Field was the setting of one of the most talked about scenarios in the history of Baseball......Ruth's called HR.

He drove the ball approx. 470 feet into the centerfield seats. It was his 15th (and last) World Series HR.

Other notable events occurred in this 3rd game between the Yankees and the Cubs.....I'll leave it up to you guys to chime in with them ?


TED Z
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Well, since no one has chimed in with responses to my questions here, I will.......

Ruth's dramatic called HR overshadowed his earlier HR (good for 3 RBI's), and....

Lou Gehrig, also hit 2 HR's in this game, the 2nd of which was hit on Root's next pitch following Ruth's tremendous HR.

As famed sportscaster, Mel Allen, would enthusiastically say...." How about that ! "


TED Z
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[Steve D]

What is the unique connection between this Jack Quinn Goudey card and his T206 card ?
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/at206quinn33g.jpg
TED Z
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That Quinn is the only player appearing in both sets, who was active when both sets were issued?

I also want to express my thanks to you Ted, for continuing to share your knowledge with us. It's one of the big reasons I love this site!

Steve

[mrmopar]

Only guy to appear in both sets?

What is the unique connection between this Jack Quinn Goudey card and his T206 card ?
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/at206quinn33g.jpg
TED Z
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[Beatles Guy]

Two of my favorites from the set...

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/jalbregts/1933%20Goudey%20127%20%20Mel%20Ott_zpsudclqfdi.jpg (http://s606.photobucket.com/user/jalbregts/media/1933%20Goudey%20127%20%20Mel%20Ott_zpsudclqfdi.jpg .html)http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/jalbregts/1933%20Goudey%20222%20Charley%20Gehringer_zps4phmo 0qc.jpg (http://s606.photobucket.com/user/jalbregts/media/1933%20Goudey%20222%20Charley%20Gehringer_zps4phmo 0qc.jpg.html)

[SAllen2556]

The Gehringer card is an absolute work of art! But is there any particular reason why so many of the cards have no team emblem on either the cap or the uniform? I never understood why the Gehringer, for example, depicts him in a plain white uniform. It's not like he was just traded or anything. While with others, like the Quinn, there seems to have been great effort to get the "Brooklyn" lettering just right.

[leaflover]

Did Norman Rockwell do the art work on this one? One of my favorites.

[tedzan]

That Quinn is the only player appearing in both sets, who was active when both sets were issued?

I also want to express my thanks to you Ted, for continuing to share your knowledge with us. It's one of the big reasons I love this site!

Steve


Hi Steve

Correcto !

Jack Quinn enjoyed a long pitching career.... 1909 - 1933 (W-L 247-218).


Thanks for the kind words.

TED Z
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[tedzan]

Incidentally, the other 3 subjects that were in the T206 set and the 1933 Goudey set are......

Eddie Collins
Napoleon Lajoie
Tris Speaker


Their Major League careers were ended prior to their appearance in this Goudey set.


TED Z
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[Hot Springs Bathers]

Mike I sat through a wonderful SABR presentation in August by Jim Yeager on Dib Williams and his father who taught a baseball school in Greenbriar, Arkansas.

Jim handed out replicas of the Williams card and showed a wonderful photo from which the card image was taken. Williams was actually a nice looking fellow and this is very much a caricature of the facial expression by Dib with a large chaw in his mouth.

It will always be one of my favorites.

[brob28]

I just started working on this set this year have always loved it.

[leaflover]

Thanks Mike for the insight on Dib and his father.

[BBB]

The Leo Durocher #106 card is not a "proof" card.



I closely examined this card in 1981, while visiting with George Moll at his home in Holland, PA. He handed me two Durocher cards from his 1933 Goudey

set (George Moll's favorite set). One card had #147 on it, and the other card had #106 on it.



1st for some history...... the George Moll Advertising Agency (Philadelphia) was the force behind all the Play Ball and Bowman Sports & Non-Sports cards

issued by the Bowman Gum Co. (1938 - 1955). Moll employed 12 professional artists who designed all the cards.



In 1938, George Moll convinced Warren Bowman that he should market his popular Bubble Gum product with trading cards. And that led to "the start of a

beautiful friendship".



If I recall correctly, it's my understanding that his Agency produced this Durocher card as a space-filler for Goudey collectors who didn't have a #106 card.





TED Z

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Fascinating stuff! Can barely fathom what it should be worth if one actually hit the market again. I bet it would still be undervalued if compared to Lajoie for rareness. Which is a bit of a bummer as it's part of the same legend as the Lajoie. Thanks for Intel.


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[tedzan]

Fascinating stuff! Can barely fathom what it should be worth if one actually hit the market again. I bet it would still be undervalued if compared to Lajoie for rareness. Which is a bit of a bummer as it's part of the same legend as the Lajoie. Thanks for Intel.


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Hi Bryan

There appears to be less Durocher (#106) cards available than there are Lajoie (#106) cards. However, the Lajoie card's story has been "hyped" for decades.
Therefore, this Durocher card's value (plus lower demand) will never approach any considerably high $$$$ value.

Glad to share my Durocher story with you....and, the members of this great forum.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

The Jablonowski card in my set has the official Copyright stamp on the back of this card.
Does anyone else on this forum have Goudey's with the Copyright stamp on them ?

If so, how's about posting them here.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/ajablonbengoughcritz.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/bjablonowski.jpg
TED Z
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[brob28]

Interesting Ted, not sure I would have recognized the markings for what they are if I had seen one in the past. So, based on the copyright date, the card would have been released in a series after the date correct? May be an overly simple question, but not being familiar with the process just looking for confirmation as it seems late in the year to be getting the cards copyrighted.

[ZachS]

Besides a signed raw Paul Richards card this is my only other 33 Goudey:

http://zwsmith.weebly.com/uploads/2/7/0/3/27039045/5019718.jpg


If anyone comes across a lower, left corner let me know.

[tedzan]

Interesting Ted, not sure I would have recognized the markings for what they are if I had seen one in the past. So, based on the copyright date, the card would have been released in a series after the date correct? May be an overly simple question, but not being familiar with the process just looking for confirmation as it seems late in the year to be getting the cards copyrighted.


Hi Bill

The Jablonowski card was printed on the 4th sheet of the 1933 Goudey set. The cards were issued circa Spring/early Summer 1933.

Most likely that is when these cards were also submitted to the Copyright department. It's my understanding that typically 2 months
transpired until the Copyright registration occurred.

Hopefully, more of these Goudey cards with the Copyright info will be posted here, so we can get a better idea regarding this subject.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

There was a large group that sold in a REA lot.

Here's six from that lot.
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And an informative thread that King started about them.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=81615

[Pat R]

Here's a scan of one of the cards with a patent registration card.
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And a really neat article that was in SMR about the guy who assembled a
large collection of these.
http://www.psacard.com/Articles/ArticleView/6564/robert-edward-auctions-discovery-hoard-goudey-gum-patent-cards-hits-auction-block

[tedzan]

Thanks Pat for posting these 6 cards having the Copyright stamp on their backs.


Copyright dates on these 6 cards appear to confirm the 2-month period (noted in Post #58)
between when these cards were issued and the Copyright registration date.

Dickey printed on the 1st sheet, issued in Mar 1933.

Collins printed on the 3rd sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Cronin printed on the 3rd sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Maranville printed on the 5th sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Gehringer printed on the 9th sheet, issued in Aug 1933.

Ott printed on the 10th sheet, issued in Nov 1933.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

Thanks Pat for posting these 6 cards having the Copyright stamp on their backs.


Copyright dates on these 6 cards appear to confirm the 2-month period (noted in Post #58)
between when these cards were issued and the Copyright registration date.

Dickey printed on the 1st sheet, issued in Mar 1933.

Collins printed on the 3rd sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Cronin printed on the 3rd sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Maranville printed on the 5th sheet, issued in Apr 1933.

Gehringer printed on the 9th sheet, issued in Aug 1933.

Ott printed on the 10th sheet, issued in Nov 1933.


TED Z
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Ted,
As king pointed out in the archive thread wouldn't the "date of publication"
be when the cards were issued?
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[tedzan]

Ted,
As king pointed out in the archive thread wouldn't the "date of publication"
be when the cards were issued?
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With all due respect, I have to disagree with cmoking. King and I go back 10+ years ago when we did some nice cash/trade deals.

1st......the source(s) of my information regarding issue dates of the 10 (24-card sheets) 1933Goudey series are George Moll (ref. post #31); and,
Bob K (a neighbor who was avid collector of Goudey's). They collected these cards in their younger days, and we talked about this subject in 1981
when I visited with them.

2nd.....For example, check out the Mel Ott card you posted. It's Copyright date is Jan 23, 1934. No way, that the 10th sheet (World Series) cards
were issued that late.
As I stated in the 2nd paragraph (post #1) these cards were issued Nov 1933. This is a well known and confirmed fact.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

With all due respect, I have to disagree with cmoking. King and I go back 10+ years ago when we did some nice cash/trade deals.

1st......the source(s) of my information regarding issue dates of the 10 (24-card sheets) 1933Goudey series are George Moll (ref. post #31); and,
Bob K (a neighbor who was avid collector of Goudey's). They collected these cards in their younger days, and we talked about this subject in 1981
when I visited with them.

2nd.....For example, check out the Mel Ott card you posted. It's Copyright date is Jan 23, 1934. No way, that the 10th sheet (World Series) cards
were issued that late.As I stated in the 2nd paragraph (post #1) these cards were issued Nov 1933. This is a well known and confirmed fact.


TED Z
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Ted,
It's my understanding that the dates stamped on the backs of the card(s)
is when the Library of congress received them.
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and the "date of publication" is the date that Goudey gave as the issue date
when they sent them for the copyrights.
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[tedzan]

Ted,
It's my understanding that the dates stamped on the backs of the card(s)
is when the Library of congress received them.
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249631

and the date of publication is the date that Goudey gave as the issue date
when they sent them for the copyrights.
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Pat

...... "the date that Goudey gave as the issue date when they sent them for the copyrights"......

doesn't in any way coincide with the actual date when these cards were printed and issued to the public market.
For whatever reasons, there was a delay by Goudey in submitted these cards to the Copyright Office.

As I have already stated.....the actual dates of the various series in this set is well known and a confirmed fact.
This has been documented by several long-time hobbyist (including Lew Lipset).

So, I really don't understand why you are missing this point ?


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Cards on the 6th sheet of the 1933 Goudey set were issued circa Summer of '33. This fabulous sheet includes double-printed cards of Babe Ruth (#144).
Plus....Babe Ruth (card #149), Lou Gehrig (card #160), Jimmy Foxx (card #154), Leo Durocher (card #147), and the mysterious Moe Berg (card #158).

Does a series of vintage BB cards printed on one sheet get any better than this ?

I DON"T THINK SO !



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1933goudeyRUTHx2sheet50x.jpg



TED Z
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[tedzan]

Some more of my favorites from this great set. Show us your favorites.


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/



TED Z
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[BBB]

Hi Bryan



There appears to be less Durocher (#106) cards available than there are Lajoie (#106) cards. However, the Lajoie card's story has been "hyped" for decades.

Therefore, this Durocher card's value (plus lower demand) will never approach any considerably high $$$$ value.



Glad to share my Durocher story with you....and, the members of this great forum.





TED Z

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Absolutely agree on logic, but would still guess a Durocher 106 might go for 5-10k. Although it's way south of Lajoie , it should still surpass the yellow Ruth . I could be far off base , but that's my wild guess.



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[flyingdutchman09]

Beautiful card, Leon.

[tedzan]

Baseball records "come-n-go......but, one still standing is Hack Wilson's single-season RBI record.

The 1930 season was magical for him...... BA= .356....HR= 56....RBI= 191


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1933GoudeyHackWilson.jpg



TED Z
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[tedzan]

Tough finding in reasonably nice condition...... #1 and #240.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1933GBengoughSchumacher.jpg



Hey guys, let us see some more of your Goudey's.


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[tedzan]

Jack Quinn was a Major League pitcher for 23 continuous seasons (1909 - 1933). He owns several longevity records. For example,
Jack is the oldest pitcher to ever start a World Series game at age 46 in 1929 for the A's.

Furthermore, Jack Quinn is the only active Major Leaguer featured in the T206 set and the 1933 Goudey set (check-out post #40).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1933GoudeyQuinnCrosetti.jpg


Frank Crosetti was involved in 23 - World Series as a Player and a Coach with the NY Yankees (37 - Major League seasons).
Crosetti's amazing record of 17 - World Series Championship Rings will probably never be surpassed.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Two Texans who could hit for high averages.


Tris Speaker's career BA = .345

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1933GSpeakerHornsby.jpg

Rogers Hornsby's career BA = .358

Plus, his BA = .424 for the 1924 season may never be surpassed.


TED Z
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[brob28]

I've always liked Schumachers card, looks like he has a lot on his mind. And why not throw one in of the Mickey before Mickey.

[jmb]

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[Yoda]

I completely agree with your observation here. Since 1982, I have completed two 1933 Goudey sets; and, I seldom have come across flawed printing in these cards.

Lefty O'Doul is another one of my favorite 1933 Goudey cards. First series card as a Dodger, and his World Series card (post #1) depicts him as a NY Giants player.
There is a very interesting Goudey Ruth #181 misprint in the current LOTG auction. Surprized it made it out of quality control, given the tough standards Goudey imposed. Perhaps considering who the player was somebody in the sheet cutting room pocketed it before the card could be given a final rejection.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/DeLong1933GoudeyODoulx50.jpg



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[brob28]

I have not seen another Goudey with print issues like the Ruth, anyone else seen any?

[tedzan]

I've always liked Schumachers card, looks like he has a lot on his mind. And why not throw one in of the Mickey before Mickey.


Hey Bill

As I'm sure you know, (but for those who don't)....Mickey Mantle was named after Mickey Cochrane, who was the favorite ballplayer of Mantle's Dad.


TED Z
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[Yoda]

There is a very interesting #181 SGC 20 Ruth in the For Love of the Game current auction; it is clearly misprinted and must have somehow been missed by the hawk-eyed quality control inspectors at the Goudey print plant. As others have clearly stated, the quality control standards at Goudey were vastly superior to early 20th century tobacco issuers. I have handled a lot of Goudeys over the years and have never seen one exactly like it, let alone on a Ruth specimen.

[tedzan]

Two very interesting ballplayers. One whose fame was on the playing field and another whose fame was off the playing field.

Charles Gehringer is rated as one of the all-around greatest 2nd Baseman.

Moe Berg had an unbelievable life. I highly recommend reading his SABR bio...... http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/e1e65b3b



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1933GoudeyGehringerBerg.jpg



Hey guys,
Are there any more Goudey's out there to be displayed here ?


TED Z
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[smellthegum]

Here's my meager contribution (and first post). These are the only three I have. Always loved the artwork and the look and quality of the lithography on the Goudey sets but never tried to build them as so many are beyond my means in high grade, even raw.

http://www.vintagecans.com/baseballcards/1933-34G-lo.jpg

[brob28]

Here's a few more Ted, I don't know much about Crowder, but he must have been a popular player to warrant two cards in the set. Nice ones Dave.

[tedzan]

Hi Dave Waugh

Very sharp looking Goudey's....thanks for posting them.


Here's a few more Ted, I don't know much about Crowder, but he must have been a popular player to warrant two cards in the set. Nice ones Dave.

Hi Bill

Your Alvin Crowder (pitching) is really sharp. Crowder is repeated (like a number of guys in this set) because he was included in the "World Series" sheet.



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http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx113x114x121xx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/33Gx122x123x124xx12.jpg
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TED Z
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[brob28]

Ahh yes right! It always throws me since they did not number the cards sequentially by "print sheet/series date". I'm always expecting the higher # cards to be from that last sheet.

[tedzan]

I dug deep into my archive stacks and came across this Manush color error. It's missing blue ink.

So, although we have said that flawed 1933 Goudey cards are seldom found, I found one.
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/a33goudeymanush.jpg
TED Z
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[tedzan]

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1933SportKingsHubbell33G.jpg

Circa Nov/Dec 1933, Goudey issued their Sport Kings set. Only Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and Carl Hubbell are the BB subjects in this 48-card set.
Included in the Sport Kings set are athletes in Basketball, Bicycling, Billiards, Hockey, Jockey, Ice-skating, Speed-boating, Swimming, Tennis,
Track, Wrestling. Also Bob-sled & Dog-sled racing, and Aviators.

How's about showing some of them if you got them.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Dave W

Your three Goudey's are really sharp-looking cards. Keep collecting them, and over time you'll have a nice set.

Thanks for posting them.

TED Z
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[brob28]

I dug deep into my archive stacks and came across this Manush color error. It's missing blue ink.

So, although we have said that flawed 1933 Goudey cards are seldom found, I found one.
http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/a33goudeymanush.jpg
TED Z
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Ted, does that card measure equal to other Goudey's? Any chance it's hand cut? I'd post some more cards, but I'm at work. :D

[tedzan]

Ted, does that card measure equal to other Goudey's? Any chance it's hand cut? I'd post some more cards, but I'm at work. :D

Hi Bill

The Manush is factory cut. It has what is referred to as a "diamond cut".


TED Z
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[tedzan]

In 1933, the GOUDEY GUM Company started a revolution in the trade card market when they introduced their Indian Gum series and their Big League
series of cards packaged with Bubble gum in colorfully designed Waxpacks.

In 1941, Goudey issued their last series of Indian Gum cards and Baseball cards. During these 9 years of production, Goudey designed & printed some
really classic sets of cards that were and still are very popular.


1933 Goudey Indian Gum wrapper & cards

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/1933IndianGumWrapper.jpg

.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1933IndianGumCusterPeacePipe.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1933IndianGumCusterPeacePipeB.jpg





1941 Goudey Indian and Pioneer card & wrapper

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/IndianGumCard25x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/GoudeyIndianGumW25.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/1941GoudeyIndianGumCd25b.jpg




Hey guys,

Let's continue this Show....show off your Goudey's from any years (1933 - 1941).



TED Z
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[Shoebox]

Hey guys,

Let's continue this Show....show off your Goudey's from any years (1933 - 1941).



TED Z
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The 33 and 34 sets get all the love but the Wide Pen Premiums of 36-37 are some great images and very under appreciated IMO.

http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj594/Drinkmorebeer/Cards/PhotoGrid_1481044506621_zpsgfwsk0lb.png (http://s1269.photobucket.com/user/Drinkmorebeer/media/Cards/PhotoGrid_1481044506621_zpsgfwsk0lb.png.html)

http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj594/Drinkmorebeer/Cards/PhotoGrid_1481044721686_zps1k62lfgy.png (http://s1269.photobucket.com/user/Drinkmorebeer/media/Cards/PhotoGrid_1481044721686_zps1k62lfgy.png.html)

http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj594/Drinkmorebeer/Cards/PhotoGrid_1481044837327-1_zpsiax4o7co.png (http://s1269.photobucket.com/user/Drinkmorebeer/media/Cards/PhotoGrid_1481044837327-1_zpsiax4o7co.png.html)

[prestigecollectibles]

I had a complete set minus the Lajoie card back in the late 1980s. This thread motivated me to start collecting the set again. Just picked this one up on Ebay along with 11 ungraded cards.

[tombocombo]

Ted,
Thank you for all the research.

[brob28]

This has always been one of my favorites.

[obcbobd]

Great thread about my favorite set. Sorry I am posting so late. It seems Goudey registered cards from the 33 set with the US Patent office. The attached Lyn Lary was once of those (note the stamps and hand cut). There are description cards (like an index card I think) that go with each card giving a description. Don't have one of those though.

The yellow on the card is not as strong as on the scan. My scanner is acting up.

[Forever Young]

Here is my goudey

[jason.1969]

What a great thread for learning about Goudey cards and seeing some nice ones. Here is my favorite Goudey pickup from 2016.

Ted, is it possible the ones missing the red bar had originally been planned for the 1934 set but were perhaps repurposed into the 1933 set? I suppose my conjecture dies if any cards from prior series were bar-less as well.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161219/7654367ee17ec46b6e384a605a9654ea.jpg

[prestigecollectibles]

I've picked up almost 40 cards to add to my set. I can't understand why so many sellers on eBay and elsewhere only show scans of the fronts. It is so frustrating trying to buy cards with no back scans.

[Leon]

Great Goudey info, guys.
As for no back scans, It is sellers just being lazy. Many times I pass over auctions with no back scans. It's usually not worth the hassle....

I've picked up almost 40 cards to add to my set. I can't understand why so many sellers on eBay and elsewhere only show scans of the fronts. It is so frustrating trying to buy cards with no back scans.

[C-mack]

Hello guys ! Been lurking for a few months but started a 33 goudey set in PSA 4 this month and after seeing this thread figure this would be a great time to finally post and share my progress so far I'm at 34 but 3 of them won't be in my hands till after Christmas

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/notreallyedge/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20161222_223953662.jpg (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/notreallyedge/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20161222_223953662.jpg.html)
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[tedzan]

Welcome aboard......

And thanks for posting your Goudey's....it's a great start.


TED Z
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[C-mack]

Welcome aboard......

And thanks for posting your Goudey's....it's a great start.


TED Z
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Thanks I've enjoyed reading figure I'd join the fun lol

[canjond]

Ted - I always thought the #106 Durocher came from a few early print runs where all of the cards were "misnumbered" - or maybe more accurately - numbered differently before the final sequence was established. In fact, I recall Woody Gelman owned a partial sheet with the misnumbered cards.

[canjond]

Just found an old REA auction description - this may be where I recall reading about the sheet:

"...A small number of similarly misnumbered 1933 Goudey cards have been seen over the years. These cards were never actually issued in packs. All were handcut from the very same early Goudey proof sheet as the famous 1933 Goudey #106 Durocher card. This sheet (actually, partial sheet, as the entire sheet of 24 cards did not survive) was part of the collection of legendary hobby pioneer Woody Gelman. All cards from this sheet had numbers which were different than those actually issued. The one card that was especially noteworthy was the Leo Durocher card, because by chance that card shared the same card number as the famous 1933 Goudey #106 Lajoie, and this one card is very well known...".

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2008/spring/529/unique-1933-r319-goudey-misnumbered-printers-proof-card-121-jack-russell/

[tedzan]

Hi Jon

I have to call Rob regarding that description. It is quite different from my understanding of the source of the #106 Durocher card.


TED Z
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[canjond]

No worries, Ted. I'm fairly sure that's where I remembered reading/hearing about the "theory". I'm curious what the history may be - both sound plausible.

[Leon]

First hand knowledge is always best but I am thinking these were about 15 yrs before you started? :)Hi Jon

I have to call Rob regarding that description. It is quite different from my understanding of the source of the #106 Durocher card.


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[Spike]

Finished the 33G set awhile back (minus #106) and its "tools of ignorance" catcher cards remain my favorites, plus the artwork on Joe Judge would stand out in any set.

Great to learn about that 24-card World Series sheet and its missing red stripe! Given that it was their last series of the year, maybe enough people had complained about the stripe taking up valuable photo space earlier in the year and Goudey decided to make the change. Also possible it was a money-saving move? Could've saved them ink or design cost.

[C-mack]

I like the Paul Richards card soo much ! Just a great image

[Spike]

Compare that to his 1951 Bowman and Richards has arguably the biggest gap between his best / worst cards in the vintage era.

I like the Paul Richards card soo much ! Just a great image

[SMPEP]

I probably should have posted this a long time ago - but this set has a subset that is my own personal "Howe McCormick" type challenge. You can see from the photos below that someone (probably a T206 collector who liked the size better) trimmed these down and then added some nice graphics (including black borders that really make these pop in my eyes).

Honestly, people talk about their favorite and most valuable cards and show 1952 Topps Mantles in PSA 7+ condition - but I think these are the best cards in my entire collection. The love that went into making them is just unreal. I love the 4 different Alvin Crowder variations for example.

I've never posted these before because I "think" I have the entire collection. IT is missing major HOFers though - so I wonder if there are a few that have eluded me.

IF you ever see any of these, please let me know! I am actively looking to recreate this original collection - much as our friend is trying to recreare Mr. McCormick's collection.

Cheers,
Patrick

[Jerry G]

Patrick,

I can't believe I am attracted to these altered cards. They go against everything that I have ever believed about cards, but they are creepily creative and cool. Wow! Someone really had a vision and followed through. Thanks for sharing. Hey, I have a few doubles. Hmmm.

[brob28]

I agree with, those have some nice eye appeal. Are they trimmed to the size of T206's? Thank you for sharing, if I run into any I'll be sure to let you know.

[brob28]

Finished the 33G set awhile back (minus #106) and its "tools of ignorance" catcher cards remain my favorites, plus the artwork on Joe Judge would stand out in any set.

Great to learn about that 24-card World Series sheet and its missing red stripe! Given that it was their last series of the year, maybe enough people had complained about the stripe taking up valuable photo space earlier in the year and Goudey decided to make the change. Also possible it was a money-saving move? Could've saved them ink or design cost.

Matthew, I agree the catcher cards are some of the best in the set. The Joe Judger has always reminded me of Joe Jackson.

[SMPEP]

Thanks! Honestly, my photography sucks. In person, the cards POP as the colors are more vibrant than my photos suggest. Whoever did this is a very good artist - and I think they used a fountain pen to do it. I can't even believe the skill it took.

All I can say is I think that they found a good home - because I like these cards better than I would a PSA 10 1952 Mantle (although at this point I might be tempted by a 1952 Reiser Grey back!).

Cheers,
Patrick

[Jerry G]

Thanks! Honestly, my photography sucks. In person, the cards POP as the colors are more vibrant than my photos suggest. Whoever did this is a very good artist - and I think they used a fountain pen to do it. I can't even believe the skill it took.

All I can say is I think that they found a good home - because I like these cards better than I would a PSA 10 1952 Mantle (although at this point I might be tempted by a 1952 Reiser Grey back!).

Cheers,
Patrick

Your guy puts the Topps airbrush artists to shame!

[Jerry G]

The 1933 Goudey is my All Time #1 favorite set. Love everything about it except- why would they issue the same card with two different numbers!? Lou Gehrig is certainly worthy of multiple cards, but the same picture and back? Gimme a break.

[C-mack]

The 1933 Goudey is my All Time #1 favorite set. Love everything about it except- why would they issue the same card with two different numbers!? Lou Gehrig is certainly worthy of multiple cards, but the same picture and back? Gimme a break.

Agreed I'm not sure if I'm going to buy the 2nd one for my set wish they would of changed the pose some

[sb1]

This pair of proof cards will be in my next auction, pretty scarce cards and documentation of the printing process for these cards.

[nat]

Those altered cards are beyond amazing. And I think it's great that you're trying to recreate the original collection. I'll definitely let you know if I run into any.

[jerrys]

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[C-mack]

257915

Pretty!! Congrats

[hcv123]

I was the under bidder on this card in 2009 when it sold as part of Charles Conlon's personal collection. Any information or current owner would be appreciated.

[SMPEP]

That's awesome Howard. Missing a yellow run on back = printer's scrap?

Just a guess.

Cheers,
Patrick

[GoudeyJim]

I absolutely love the 33 Goudeys and they have always been my favorite set since I was a kid. I have always dreamed of finding a box of unopened packs in some old house. I know wrappers are very common but I have never seen an unopened pack. I'm sure they are very rare but has anyone ever seen one offered?

[C-mack]

Figure it's time to bring this thread back!

Started my set last December ( which I posted maybe a few pages back) after picking up a few off eBay the last couple days I hit my half way mark so I figured I'd share my updated progress

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[Leon]

Very nice. Here is one I couldn't resist recently.

Figure it's time to bring this thread back!

Started my set last December ( which I posted maybe a few pages back) after picking up a few off eBay the last couple days I hit my half way mark so I figured I'd share my updated progress

[Rich Falvo]

Very cool thread. Don't know if I'd ever attempt the set, but I may have to pick up a '33 to have one as a type example.

[C-mack]

Very cool thread. Don't know if I'd ever attempt the set, but I may have to pick up a '33 to have one as a type example.

Definitely didn't start that way for me. Picked up the Ruth and Gehrig 1st and had no plans for the set but once I had then laying next to I was sold

[pingman59]

I was compelled to make this ersatz 33 Goudey card of Si Johnson because I felt he deserved to be in the set. And, he's from my home town too (for full disclosure). :D

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p247/pingman59/Miscellaneous/33SiJohnson_zpsgtfulegd.jpg

Color pencil, taken from a black and white newspaper photo.

[jason.1969]

...By the end of the Summer of 1933 you diligently put together a set of 191 different subjects...

I have seen in a couple places that the first 7-8 sheets were released by early July. However, four cards from Sheet 7 demonstrate that this sheet could not have been out before August.

The most notable of these cards is the Rogers Hornsby, depicting him as the Browns manager (rather than a Cardinals player), a move that took place on July 26. The latest of the four was Bob Smith, who moved from the Reds to the Braves on July 31.

I am not contradicting Ted's story, since the "end of summer" may just depend on where a person lives. However, the Nov 1970 issue of the Ballcard Collector also included a firsthand account of the set that had Sheet 8 (!) appearing by early July.

Depending how much time we allow for printing, cutting, packaging, distributing, etc., Sheet 7 would not have appeared until mid-August.

[Pat R]

I have seen in a couple places that the first 7-8 sheets were released by early July. However, four cards from Sheet 7 demonstrate that this sheet could not have been out before August.

The most notable of these cards is the Rogers Hornsby, depicting him as the Browns manager (rather than a Cardinals player), a move that took place on July 26. The latest of the four was Bob Smith, who moved from the Reds to the Braves on July 31.

I am not contradicting Ted's story, since the "end of summer" may just depend on where a person lives. However, the Nov 1970 issue of the Ballcard Collector also included a firsthand account of the set that had Sheet 8 (!) appearing by early July.

Depending how much time we allow for printing, cutting, packaging, distributing, etc., Sheet 7 would not have appeared until mid-August.

Jason, I enjoyed the write up you did on these. Your research on sheet
7 is in line with the dates King came up with using the copyright
stamps and patent registration cards.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=81615

[PhillyFan1883]

Hi David,

I hope all is well. Would you ever consider selling your Lajoie? Tried to message but no luck. If anyone knows how to reach David “Kawika” from page 2 of this thread please let me know. Happy collecting.

[Kawika]

Hello Connor: No intention of breaking up my '33 Goudey set just yet. As I mentioned in my post from 2016 I'm a bit on the OC side so calling the set "complete" at 239 cards wasn't going to work for me. [Same reason I never undertook the T206 Monster - four mega-expensive holes in the set was a deal-killer]. But there is hope. I'm getting along and one of these years I'll probably cash out of the hobby. The plan is for Al C to drive a U-Haul up to Vancouver Island and auction off the works. There'll be a killer Love of the Game catalog - The Kawika Collection has a nice ring to it - then look for me in the obituaries.

I took the pm function private a couple of years ago due to the persistence of some of the ranks here in trying to separate me from my cards. I like to think of myself as a cordial fellow - I have always enjoyed friendly communications about cardboard but a couple of guys were real dicks and I just got tired of dealing with it.

[ALBB]

HaHa dicks

[GoudeyJim]

Hello.
Has anyone ever seen an unopened 33 Goudey pack at any point in the past? I know the wrappers are very common but have never heard of a pack surviving. i've also never seen the box that held the packs.
Just curious as this is my favorite set of all time.
Thanks.
Jim

[conor912]

We need a crate for all these Goudeys.

[conor912]

Hello Connor: No intention of breaking up my '33 Goudey set just yet. As I mentioned in my post from 2016 I'm a bit on the OC side so calling the set "complete" at 239 cards wasn't going to work for me. [Same reason I never undertook the T206 Monster - four mega-expensive holes in the set was a deal-killer]. But there is hope. I'm getting along and one of these years I'll probably cash out of the hobby. The plan is for Al C to drive a U-Haul up to Vancouver Island and auction off the works. There'll be a killer Love of the Game catalog - The Kawika Collection has a nice ring to it - then look for me in the obituaries.

I took the pm function private a couple of years ago due to the persistence of some of the ranks here in trying to separate me from my cards. I like to think of myself as a cordial fellow - I have always enjoyed friendly communications about cardboard but a couple of guys were real dicks and I just got tired of dealing with it.

David, I always enjoy seeing your collection. Consider two Conors interested in your Lajoie! :)

Hoping to pick one up to "complete" my set before the centennial!

[tedzan]

It is great seeing this GOUDEY thread again on the front page.

A 1933 Goudey uncut sheet, which includes cards #143 - 165.

Note the Babe Ruth double-print (card #144) and Ruth (#149).
Plus Leo Durocher (#147), Jimmy Foxx (#154), Lou Gehrig (#160), Moe Berg (#158), and Joe Sewell (#165).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1933goudeyRUTHx2sheet50x.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference (http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
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[hcv123]

It is great seeing this GOUDEY thread again on the front page.

A 1933 Goudey uncut sheet, which includes cards #143 - 165.

Note the Babe Ruth double-print (card #144) and Ruth (#149).
Plus Leo Durocher (#147), Jimmy Foxx (#154), Lou Gehrig (#160), Moe Berg (#158), and Joe Sewell (#165).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1933goudeyRUTHx2sheet50x.jpg


TED Z



T206 Reference (http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
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That is a stacked sheet if I ever saw one.

Ted - Any info or thoughts on the blue back Ruth I posted earlier in the thread (a few years ago)?

[GoudeyJim]

Hi Ted.
I always enjoy reading your posts on the Goudey cards. This is my favorite set of all time but I still have a lot to learn about it. Do you ever remember seeing or hearing of any unopened packs at any point in the past?

Jim

[tedzan]

That is a stacked sheet if I ever saw one.

Ted - Any info or thoughts on the blue back Ruth I posted earlier in the thread (a few years ago)?


Howard

I've seen a one (or 2) "blue bios" many years ago. I don't recall which subjects they were. It wasn't a Ruth card, though, for I would not have forgotten that card.

The Blue lettering is simply the result of not applying the Yellow ink in the printing process of the backs.



TED Z

T206 Reference (http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
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[icurnmedic]

1933 Goudey BB wrapper

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TED Z
.

Anyone know What the RUTH that was promised at the top of the wrapper is? I can’t seen to find it.

[tedzan]

Hi Ted.
I always enjoy reading your posts on the Goudey cards. This is my favorite set of all time but I still have a lot to learn about it. Do you ever remember seeing or hearing of any unopened packs at any point in the past?

Jim


Jim

No such luck....and, I have been collecting GOUDEY cards since 1981. I don't mean to be boasting here, but I have completed two 1933 GOUDEY sets (239 cards each).
Really nice ones. So, I have a lot of experience collecting these "gems" all these years. However, never seen any un-opened packs


TED Z

T206 Reference (http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=237816)
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[conor912]

I remember reading something about a pack having one card and a “sheet” of gum the same size as the card, perforated into 3 sticks? Though I’m not sure which was on top. I can’t say I’ve ever seen a Goudey with undeniable gum stains on either side....

[GoudeyJim]

Thanks everyone. I figured it was a long shot but it has always been a dream to find one. Maybe some day....


Jim