PWCC Plank currently on eBay PSA 2

[Topps206]

It's a Sweet Cap and the auction ends in two days. It's currently at $30,101.

I wish I had the funds for this.

[iwantitiwinit]

It's a Sweet Cap and the auction ends in two days. It's currently at $30,101.

I wish I had the funds for this.

My guess is 67,543.000.

[Topps206]

I don't know what it'll go for, but I know I'd love to have it.

Part of me would rather own a Plank than a Wagner.

[Sean]

They call it the 4th most important card. What do they consider the top three?

T206 Wagner
Baltimore News Ruth
T206 Cobb w/ Cobb back

Just my guesses. :)

[Topps206]

The Goudey Lajoie is up there, too.

[FourStrikes]

The Goudey Lajoie is up there, too.

agreed.

[ullmandds]

The Goudey Lajoie is up there, too.

as is the e90-1 jackson...these have gone through the roof!

[Leon]

Plank is a great card but this one isn't even that pleasing to the eye, imo. I guess any Plank is a good Plank though. :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206-Eddie-Plank-PSA-2-GOOD-PWCC-/142099853109?hash=item2115cfaf35:g:7IQAAOSwMtxXwi9 a


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[Topps206]

Plank is a great card but this one isn't even that pleasing to the eye, imo. I guess any Plank is a good Plank though. :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206-Eddie-Plank-PSA-2-GOOD-PWCC-/142099853109?hash=item2115cfaf35:g:7IQAAOSwMtxXwi9 a


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I could do without whatever stain that is, but the last one of theirs had creases where you couldn't see his eyes.

[Sean]

This Plank is from the 350 Series. The blue color on this later series always seems to be a bit washed-out compared to the 150 series Planks.

But yeah, any Plank is a special card.

[Jeffrompa]

I don't think that I would mortgage the house for that one .

[Joshchisox08]

That is a very gracious 2 handed out by PSA there. Perhaps it didn't get a 1 because it's a Plank.

Any other card that would NEVER get a 2.

[Topps206]

It might go for less because of that, but I know if I had the cash I'd put the bid in.

[iwantitiwinit]

That is a very gracious 2 handed out by PSA there. Perhaps it didn't get a 1 because it's a Plank.

Any other card that would NEVER get a 2.


Totally agree there.

[pokerplyr80]

They call it the 4th most important card. What do they consider the top three?

T206 Wagner
Baltimore News Ruth
T206 Cobb w/ Cobb back

Just my guesses. :)

Wagner
52 Mantle
Ruth

Also just my guess

[Topps206]

As valuable and prestigious as a 52 Mantle is, I've seen some in poor or even better shape go less than what Plank is going for right now.

[jmb]

Looks like a rubber band stain.

[pokerplyr80]

As valuable and prestigious as a 52 Mantle is, I've seen some in poor or even better shape go less than what Plank is going for right now.

Im not suggesting the 52 Mantle is the second most expensive card in low grade. Clearly cards like the cobb back and t210 jackson sell for much more. But it is the second most important card in the hobby. By a long shot.

[Sean]

Im not suggesting the 52 Mantle is the second most expensive card in low grade. Clearly cards like the cobb back and t210 jackson sell for much more. But it is the second most important card in the hobby. By a long shot.

Good point:there is a difference between most valuable and most important.

[pokerplyr80]

I was curious so I asked Brent if Plank is 4 what are the top 3. He confirmed Wagner, 52 Mantle, 15 Ruth.

[Sean]

I was curious so I asked Brent if Plank is 4 what are the top 3. He confirmed Wagner, 52 Mantle, 15 Ruth.

"15 Ruth". I suggested the 1914 Baltimore News Ruth, but he's saying the 1915 Ruth rookie card with Boston. Maybe he thinks the BN Ruth is too scarce 9 I think that there are only 10 of them known).

[pokerplyr80]

Yea my understanding is the 15 is considered his RC and the Baltimore News is more of an XRC. While obviously much less valuable his RC a more important card in the hobby.

It's too bad they didn't include Ruth in either cracker jack set. If they had gotten him in the 14 set in a Red Sox uniform that just might be #1.

[Sean]

And we say the same thing about Joe Jackson and the T206 set.

Maybe that could be the fantasy card for next year's National.

[Bored5000]

That is a very gracious 2 handed out by PSA there. Perhaps it didn't get a 1 because it's a Plank.

Any other card that would NEVER get a 2.

I was kinda surprised to see one of the 1915 Matty Cracker Jacks currently at auction with PWCC get a "2MK." Yes, it does it have an "MK" designation, but in addition to the writing on the card, there is a huge crase that runs the entire width of the card. I think a "2" was pretty generous on this Matty.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351822309677?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[MVSNYC]

What was the intention of the OP mentioning this card? Thought it was against rules talking about a card that is in a current auction.

[Topps206]

What was the intention of the OP mentioning this card? Thought it was against rules talking about a card that is in a current auction.

If there is a rule, I'm not aware. It was merely to point out the availability of a rare and valuable card.

[Mark17]

I was curious so I asked Brent if Plank is 4 what are the top 3. He confirmed Wagner, 52 Mantle, 15 Ruth.

Thanks for clarifying. When I first saw that I was thinking within the T206 set:

Wagner
Doyle error
Cobb/Cobb
Plank

[FourStrikes]

What was the intention of the OP mentioning this card? Thought it was against rules talking about a card that is in a current auction.

in a gentleman's agreement way, YES...it's basically to keep sh!t that MAY fly under the radar unseen, but...I'm guessing a T206 Plank on ebay - where there's bajillions of peeps w/T206 searches - it ain't exactly a secret...

while "outing" an auction is frowned upon, there's NO absolute rule that I'm aware of on Net54...unwritten rule ??? perhaps, but while discouraged/considered taboo, there's nothing concrete that I know of - and YES, while I've personally been scolded/motherf**ked in the past for such a transgression, I've voluntarily elected to avoid any backlash/bullsh!t and NOT post such things, yet NOT because it was expressly forbidden...

p.s. - it's a freakin' T206 Plank - those lookin' are unlikely to miss/overlook a T206 Plank...

JMO.

DS

[Topps206]

I've only seen a Plank once before.

[irv]

What was the intention of the OP mentioning this card? Thought it was against rules talking about a card that is in a current auction.

in a gentleman's agreement way, YES...it's basically to keep sh!t that MAY fly under the radar unseen, but...I'm guessing a T206 Plank on ebay - where there's bajillions of peeps w/T206 searches - it ain't exactly a secret...

while "outing" an auction is frowned upon, there's NO absolute rule that I'm aware of on Net54...unwritten rule ??? perhaps, but while discouraged/considered taboo, there's nothing concrete that I know of - and YES, while I've personally been scolded/motherf**ked in the past for such a transgression, I've voluntarily elected to avoid any backlash/bullsh!t and NOT post such things, yet NOT because it was expressly forbidden...

p.s. - it's a freakin' T206 Plank - those lookin' are unlikely to miss/overlook a T206 Plank...

JMO.

DS

I could be mistaken, but I believe those rules apply to our own BST sections, not E-Bay listings?

When members here post in BST, these discussions are not suppose to take place other than PM's.

From what I gather, E-Bay is fair game to discuss issues such as these.

[swarmee]

Paraphrasing the Bible: I try not to point out specks in another's eye, lest I have a Plank in my own.

[FourStrikes]

Paraphrasing the Bible: I try not to point out specks in another's eye, lest I have a Plank in my own.

well-played, sir...:)

[Topps206]

The mere intention of this thread was to elicit discussion. That's all.

[pokerplyr80]

DS is right, no rule about outing any auction. I have seen Leon confirm this on a few occasions. There are those who don't like auctions being outed so they don't lose out on a card they're bidding. Anyone looking for a Plank isn't going to miss one at PWCC though.

As for the 15 CJ Matty, it looks like a 2 to me.

[rats60]

I was curious so I asked Brent if Plank is 4 what are the top 3. He confirmed Wagner, 52 Mantle, 15 Ruth.

I would put the t206 Plank and 33 Goudey Lajoie ahead of the 52 Topps Mantle.

[Topps206]

Well the Goudey Lajoie and T206 Plank are certainly more scarce, but it seems the 52 Mantle is second only to Wagner as the most famous.

[CMIZ5290]

I would put the t206 Plank and 33 Goudey Lajoie ahead of the 52 Topps Mantle.

What?? Also, it's all about the grade....

[Leon]

Never was a rule, and seriously doubt there will ever be a rule, about outing auctions. We have debated it many times over the years. Personally, as a collector, I would prefer them not to be outed but that is just me. For a variety of reasons there isn't a rule about it.

DS is right, no rule about outing any auction. I have seen Leon confirm this on a few occasions. There are those who don't like auctions being outed so they don't lose out on a card they're bidding. Anyone looking for a Plank isn't going to miss one at PWCC though.

As for the 15 CJ Matty, it looks like a 2 to me.

[swarmee]

If this card was tucked into a mixed lot of vintage/modern and listed for $100, it would have been a party foul to out it before the end of the auction (and even before it got delivered to you) because some dudes on this board would email the seller and offer them off-eBay transactions for them to cancel your auction.

[FourStrikes]

The mere intention of this thread was to elicit discussion. That's all.

Topps206:

understood - and some of us greatly appreciate your doing so (and I'm not even a "card guy" as my first love, hobby-wise) but I certainly appreciate the rare and better stuff, and ANY constructive discussions - it's a significant card, and worthy of forum discussion.

thank you for starting the thread.

DS

[Topps206]

If this card was tucked into a mixed lot of vintage/modern and listed for $100, it would have been a party foul to out it before the end of the auction (and even before it got delivered to you) because some dudes on this board would email the seller and offer them off-eBay transactions for them to cancel your auction.

If such a scenario happened where a Plank was in a $100.00 lot, it'd be the best $100.00 I'd ever spent.

[pokerplyr80]

I could be mistaken, but I believe those rules apply to our own BST sections, not E-Bay listings?

When members here post in BST, these discussions are not suppose to take place other than PM's.

From what I gather, E-Bay is fair game to discuss issues such as these.

Thats a whole different issue Irv. We should not be spamming BST listings with opinions or discussions, unless it's to ask a question about the card, or perhaps just to say nice card. I even saw a guy make an offer on one of Peter's listings right in the thread. Proper etiquette would be to PM an offer less than list price.

[Powell]

Lots of inexpensive psa 7 cards T 206 in PWCC auction

[Yoda]

I would walk the Plank for one of Gettysburg Eddie's cards.

[Paul S]

To echo a few posts from above (^)...No, Not Yours!:): Yes, outing ebay listings was :( upon, and then naturally subsided. However, several years back there was a newer-ish member who posted a card on our BST with a low price...IIRC, a T206 Piedmont common with a Factory 42 back. Some board members went public on that thread and let the seller know of his monetary mistake. Some other members got angry, also public, that they weren't getting a steal.

[rats60]

In general you shouldn't be outing auctions. However, this is a Plank. It is not going cheap. It has been well publicised by PWCC and most people aren't even going to be bidding on this or can afford to buy it. I don't see a problem discussing big auction houses selling of cards.

[1952boyntoncollector]

in a gentleman's agreement way, YES...it's basically to keep sh!t that MAY fly under the radar unseen, but...I'm guessing a T206 Plank on ebay - where there's bajillions of peeps w/T206 searches - it ain't exactly a secret...

while "outing" an auction is frowned upon, there's NO absolute rule that I'm aware of on Net54...unwritten rule ??? perhaps, but while discouraged/considered taboo, there's nothing concrete that I know of - and YES, while I've personally been scolded/motherf**ked in the past for such a transgression, I've voluntarily elected to avoid any backlash/bullsh!t and NOT post such things, yet NOT because it was expressly forbidden...

p.s. - it's a freakin' T206 Plank - those lookin' are unlikely to miss/overlook a T206 Plank...

JMO.

DS

already had this long discussion when i 'outed' a psa 5 Mantle Topps 1952 on ebay or something like that...its pretty much agreed that for these types of cards its no big deal to out these..

[1952boyntoncollector]

in a gentleman's agreement way, YES...it's basically to keep sh!t that MAY fly under the radar unseen, but...I'm guessing a T206 Plank on ebay - where there's bajillions of peeps w/T206 searches - it ain't exactly a secret...

while "outing" an auction is frowned upon, there's NO absolute rule that I'm aware of on Net54...unwritten rule ??? perhaps, but while discouraged/considered taboo, there's nothing concrete that I know of - and YES, while I've personally been scolded/motherf**ked in the past for such a transgression, I've voluntarily elected to avoid any backlash/bullsh!t and NOT post such things, yet NOT because it was expressly forbidden...

p.s. - it's a freakin' T206 Plank - those lookin' are unlikely to miss/overlook a T206 Plank...

JMO.

DS

already had this long discussion when i 'outed' a psa 5 Mantle Topps 1952 on ebay or something like that..and i had the standard posters criticize me on that .its pretty much agreed that for these types of cards its no big deal to out these..

[Rookiemonster]

The paper loss on the right boarder looks like whiteout.
I really don't get how this is a two . I'm not sure if the price changes much from a one or a two I feel like a authentic slab would be just as good . You know this is excaly what the issue with graded cards is. It's one point but it's a completely what everyone was saying with the 1953 topps mays psa 10 . That card was given a 10 just because it is a condition sensitive set .

[vintagerookies51]

What are everyone's thoughts on the final price? Really low for a 2 IMO but perhaps closer to what it would get if it was in a "1" holder like it should be

[rats60]

What are everyone's thoughts on the final price? Really low for a 2 IMO but perhaps closer to what it would get if it was in a "1" holder like it should be

I thought it was a little high. PWCC sold a PSA 2 Plank last year that was nicer for 33K which had sold for 31K 2 years earlier. REA sold one for 41K in 2012 that is the nicest of the three. Plank isn't really one of those cards that is being bought up by speculators.

[jchcollins]

You know this is excaly what the issue with graded cards is.

Agreed. Funny how we continue to see regular grading discrepancies like this even with big name cards. Although the birth of grading with PSA and Bill Mastro's trimmed Wagner ushered in the initial controversy more than 25 years ago. PSA in particular seems to be wildly inconsistent on how they change standards over time. At the end of the day I suppose it just goes to show that excellence (or NM or VG or G or P...) is in the eye of the beholder, even among professional graders. I'll stick with how I learned to grade from hobby publications in the 1980's. I don't at all get how a card with paper loss like that (or whiteout or whatever it is...) would be a 2; any other T-206 common like that probably would have been a 1 all day long.

[Billy5858]

I would have bought it if it wasn't
for the whiteout stains. J/K
Just didn't look like a clean 2 to me
Are there any ripped, pinholed, paper losses PSA Auth
out there for around 5k to get me up
Higher on the Net54 Monster list?

[RedsFan1941]

That is a very gracious 2 handed out by PSA there. Perhaps it didn't get a 1 because it's a Plank.

Any other card that would NEVER get a 2.

I wondered about this but wanted to wait until the aucion was over until I asked a question. Did anyone see this LaJoie and wander how a card with staple holes could not be graded a 1?

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1933-goudey-napoleon-lajoie-106-psa-good-2/a/7160-80160.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

[Topps206]

I guess I need to save up for many years and then cash in when the time is right.

[jchcollins]

I wondered about this but wanted to wait until the aucion was over until I asked a question. Did anyone see this LaJoie and wander how a card with staple holes could not be graded a 1?

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1933-goudey-napoleon-lajoie-106-psa-good-2/a/7160-80160.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

If I'm remembering correctly, that's how Goudey mailed out the Lajoie cards to collectors that requested them by mail in 1934 and later (stapled to the letter), so all that were sent that way supposedly have the staple holes. I would not agree that makes them anything more than PSA 1's at most either, but I'm sure that if a justification for a higher grade was ever needed, that's probably what it was.

[ullmandds]

If I'm remembering correctly, that's how Goudey mailed out the Lajoie cards to collectors that requested them by mail in 1934 and later (stapled to the letter), so all that were sent that way supposedly have the staple holes. I would not agree that makes them anything more than PSA 1's at most either, but I'm sure that if a justification for a higher grade was ever needed, that's probably what it was.

the story I've always heard was mailing goudey was the only way to acquire this card...it seems that there are many high grade lajoies. I have never heard that these cards were stapled?

[RedsFan1941]

If I'm remembering correctly, that's how Goudey mailed out the Lajoie cards to collectors that requested them by mail in 1934 and later (stapled to the letter), so all that were sent that way supposedly have the staple holes. I would not agree that makes them anything more than PSA 1's at most either, but I'm sure that if a justification for a higher grade was ever needed, that's probably what it was.

I have see far more goudey LaJoies with no staple holes than ones with them, fwiw.

[ullmandds]

I have see far more goudey LaJoies with no staple holes than ones with them, fwiw.

agree

[CW]

If I'm remembering correctly, that's how Goudey mailed out the Lajoie cards to collectors that requested them by mail in 1934 and later (stapled to the letter), so all that were sent that way supposedly have the staple holes. I would not agree that makes them anything more than PSA 1's at most either, but I'm sure that if a justification for a higher grade was ever needed, that's probably what it was.

Nope, that's incorrect. :) What you are thinking of is the belief that many of the Lajoie cards were sent to collectors paperclipped to a letter, so many of the '33 Goudey Lajoie cards will exhibit a paperclip indentation.

[Leon]

35k seems about right....nice card

Plank is a great card but this one isn't even that pleasing to the eye, imo. I guess any Plank is a good Plank though. :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206-Eddie-Plank-PSA-2-GOOD-PWCC-/142099853109?hash=item2115cfaf35:g:7IQAAOSwMtxXwi9 a


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[FourStrikes]

wouldn't exactly call this card "fugly" - I'm not a high-end card guy w/deep pockets, but IF I was, I'd be happy to add this example to my collection rather than one with heavy creasing, etc.

JMO.

DS