edjs
08-24-2016, 04:48 PM
I posted this in the August pickups looking for some feedback, and also on the August pickups in the memorabilia section, but still no feedback, so I thought I would start a thread asking about it. The following is what I posted in the pickup section.
I took a chance on it, I hope it is a type 1. What do you guys think? Is it something to get authenticated? It has a 30 day return policy, I have bought from this seller before with nothing but great transactions. Circa 1913 Chattanooga Lookouts, the photographer checks out, Wiles of Nashville, Tennessee. The Tennessee State Library has a collection of 60 items from Marvin Willard Wiles, photographer, who lived from 1883-1957, Wiles Photography Studio (Nashville Tennessee). So, what do you think?
The listing said it came from the Fred Graf estate, he played for Chattanooga from 1913-1920. I think Graf is the guy back row fourth from the right, and I think Kid Elberfeld is front row second from right. I think this is the 1914 team. Does anyone recognize any of the other players? Here is a list of players for 1914:
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Clyde Barfoot
Ray Boyd
Ike Caveney
Elmer Coyle
Murphy Currie
Jewel Ens
Carl Flick
John Fox
Fred Graf
Stanley Graham
Charlie Harding
Roland Howell
Baby Doll Jacobson
Johnny Johnston
Charles Lile
Lefty Lorenzen
Moose McCormick
McFarland
W. Morgan
Pat Paige
Quarders
Bugs Reisigl
Sammy Ross
Doc Shanley
Sindler
Bill Sline
Gabby Street
Tink Turner
I know Elberfield isn't listed with the 1914 team, but he played for them in 1913 and again in 1915, so I think he was there for this photo. This might be the 1915 team, but I have been trying to compare photos from the 1913, 1914, and 1915 teams, and the 1914 photos match the best.
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(full disclosure, I lifted the e-bay image from the auction)
I took a chance on it, I hope it is a type 1. What do you guys think? Is it something to get authenticated? It has a 30 day return policy, I have bought from this seller before with nothing but great transactions. Circa 1913 Chattanooga Lookouts, the photographer checks out, Wiles of Nashville, Tennessee. The Tennessee State Library has a collection of 60 items from Marvin Willard Wiles, photographer, who lived from 1883-1957, Wiles Photography Studio (Nashville Tennessee). So, what do you think?
The listing said it came from the Fred Graf estate, he played for Chattanooga from 1913-1920. I think Graf is the guy back row fourth from the right, and I think Kid Elberfeld is front row second from right. I think this is the 1914 team. Does anyone recognize any of the other players? Here is a list of players for 1914:
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Clyde Barfoot
Ray Boyd
Ike Caveney
Elmer Coyle
Murphy Currie
Jewel Ens
Carl Flick
John Fox
Fred Graf
Stanley Graham
Charlie Harding
Roland Howell
Baby Doll Jacobson
Johnny Johnston
Charles Lile
Lefty Lorenzen
Moose McCormick
McFarland
W. Morgan
Pat Paige
Quarders
Bugs Reisigl
Sammy Ross
Doc Shanley
Sindler
Bill Sline
Gabby Street
Tink Turner
I know Elberfield isn't listed with the 1914 team, but he played for them in 1913 and again in 1915, so I think he was there for this photo. This might be the 1915 team, but I have been trying to compare photos from the 1913, 1914, and 1915 teams, and the 1914 photos match the best.
<!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0in; mso-para-margin-right:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:8.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:107%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]-->
(full disclosure, I lifted the e-bay image from the auction)