We just purchased a "FRESH" T206 Eddie Plank and are BUYING Vintage Cards! ***

[JustCollectVP]

Just Collect is aggressively buying and paying top dollar for your PSA & SGC graded vintage cards and complete sets. We are paying 70% of the current market value for your vintage graded singles, graded sets, and collections. We do not subtract commissions, we do not subtract eBay fees, and we don’t even subtract buyer or seller premiums. We just pay 70% of what your cards are worth in today’s market and we pay right away!

To receive our offer on your cards, please provide us with a spreadsheet listing the cards, the grading service, and the grade (please note any qualifiers). We will have an offer to you within 1-2 business days in most cases (if you have a price in mind, just tell us and we’ll let you know if we can meet it). Please contact me via PM or direct email with respect to any card(s) or collections that you are looking to sell or wish to receive our purchase offer.

We are also buying ungraded complete and partial vintage sets, vintage collections, vintage ungraded singles (and bulk vintage commons) in quantity and even modern junk wax cases.

Speaking of buying ungraded collections, I just returned this past Wednesday from New England after purchasing an ungraded and fresh to the hobby partial set of T206’s. I realize that a partial T206 Set isn’t something all that unusual, especially on the N54 Boards. However, when I note that the collection includes a new to the marketplace T206 Eddie Plank there will probably be a few raised eyebrows. YES, the collection contains a T206 Eddie Plank that has never before appeared in the hobby as it has resided in a family collection for several generations! We will be releasing more details about this great collection and the T206 Plank (it is not high grade, unfortunately) as well as several of our recent 1948-1970’s set run purchases on our blog in the upcoming days and weeks. As we process the T206 collection, we will post to our blog additional details about the T206 Eddie Plank as well as how and when we will be offering the card for public sale.

***This is a paid advertorial

[HobokenJon]

Hi there. I would like to buy your dollar bills for 70 cents. And I'll pay it in hard currency, upfront! Contact me for details.

[Joshwesley]

Hi there. I would like to buy your dollar bills for 70 cents. And I'll pay it in hard currency, upfront! Contact me for details.



I laughed.

[mintonlyplz]

Ok...what goes around...comes around! I will pay you 70% of what you just paid for the T206 Eddie Plank. Call it...paying it forward. Seems fair enough...

[bnorth]

I laughed.

A big +1. That was funny.

Now to be fair this is was better than the pawn shop people we had on here for a while. Unlike most of the other buyers on here at least this guy put a solid price he was paying and not the "highest prices paid" BS.

[Mdmtx]

You guys are definitely right. 70% does seem off. Would be much better to put it in an auction. Wait 45 days or more for it to sell. Pay the consignment fee. Risk what the item will actually sell for. Wait a couple weeks to 6 weeks to be paid from the auction house. Then wait to see if there is any refund requested. So you guys are definitely correct, 70% does seem off.

Mark Medlin

[Stonepony]

You guys are definitely right. 70% does seem off. Would be much better to put it in an auction. Wait 45 days or more for it to sell. Pay the consignment fee. Risk what the item will actually sell for. Wait a couple weeks to 6 weeks to be paid from the auction house. Then wait to see if there is any refund requested. So you guys are definitely correct, 70% does seem off.

Mark Medlin

I agree in that if buyers premium not subtracted- they are giving you 90% of recent AH prices

[edhans]

Seems like this should be in the B/S/T section.

[Leon]

Seems like this should be in the B/S/T section.

Hey Ed
Hope all is well over there.....They passed it by me first and this is a paid advertisement, otherwise you would be 100% correct.

[buymycards]

Hi Mark, I totally agree with you. Plus, someone could spend countless hours scanning, listing, and shipping to sell on eBay. Then, eBay and PayPal will take 15-20%, some of your items won't sell, you will receive ridiculously low ball offers, items could be lost or damaged in shipping, and someone may decide that they don't like the item and you will have to issue a refund. And don't forget, the market price is an accumulation of high prices, medium prices, and low prices, to come up with an average. There is a good chance that you wouldn't come close to VCP average on many items. It may take months to get your cards sold.

If I was ready to sell, 70% of market would sound great. Just ship my cards to Just Collect and wait for a check.

Rick

[JustCollectVP]

Leon:

Thank you for clarifying for the board. Yes, this is an advertorial...

I'll gladly take my lumps for those that wish to joke or tease about the buy prices, but they are legitimate and they are real and when you look at things, they are stronger than some of the sophomoric responses may suggest. If anyone is offended by such an offer, my apologies, but I'll stand by it.

First, the gross value that we pay is based upon the current market. If you think that you'll get top dollar and wish to drop them on eBay, then go ahead. If everything goes perfectly and you max out on the auction, you'll get 87% with the risk of a return or a charge-back for another month or two after the sale.

You can consign to one of the big eBay sellers and hope to get the "going" rate and if everything goes perfectly, in a month or so, you'll get 80-84%.

Or you can contact us, send a spreadsheet and have 70% of the current value within a day or two. No risks, no shilling, no excuses, no returns...

I never said that we're paying as much as you can get selling it on your own, but if you want the money now, we're paying REAL dollars and we're paying QUICKLY and we're not low balling or baiting and switching.

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Now, what really strikes me odd is that is that we securexd a NEW, FRESH TO THE HOBBY T206 Plank and the predominance of the responses aren't about one of the rarer cards in the hobby, but about the buy prices and the one response about the Plank is an offer of 70% of what we paid for it.

I wouldn't want to be so sour that I'd focus on being negative part of the message and miss out on being able to discuss something so scarce and that we almost all have a similar passion for. Maybe no one cares about T206 Planks anymore.

[edhans]

Apologies to all.

[aelefson]

Scott-
Your thread title implied you were excited to have recently purchased a T206 Plank and wanted to share this with the collecting community. However, you buried that information in an advertisement for your services. If you had stuck with the details on the fresh T206 find and the Plank, you would not get these type of responses. I for one was wondering why you led with three paragraphs describing your business before even mentioning the Plank find. It left a sour taste in my mouth as you do not appear to be eager to share the Plank but instead to entice more board members to sell you their cards. Please note, this is just my opinion and I do believe your 70% offer is good for motivated sellers. This method of advertising on the main page of the board (I understand it was approved by Leon) leaves you open to the comments you received.

Alan Elefson

[JustCollectVP]

Scott-
Your thread title implied you were excited to have recently purchased a T206 Plank and wanted to share this with the collecting community. However, you buried that information in an advertisement for your services. If you had stuck with the details on the fresh T206 find and the Plank, you would not get these type of responses. I for one was wondering why you led with three paragraphs describing your business before even mentioning the Plank find. It left a sour taste in my mouth as you do not appear to be eager to share the Plank but instead to entice more board members to sell you their cards. Please note, this is just my opinion and I do believe your 70% offer is good for motivated sellers. This method of advertising on the main page of the board (I understand it was approved by Leon) leaves you open to the comments you received.

Alan Elefson

Alan:

Thanks for the reply and I understand how the "blast" of content can leave a "sour taste" and I appreciate that you do see that the offer is good for motivated sellers. I also understand that it provided a mixed message and many may not have understood the advertorial aspect of the post and for that, I'm sorry, but it is what it is.

Despite that, there is a new T206 Plank that will be coming into the marketplace, soon.

[Joshwesley]

Tell us more about the plank.

Did someone find it? Has it just been in a collection forever? What's the grade etc etc
Thanks!

[Hankphenom]

This shouldn't be here, just my opinion.

[aelefson]

Thanks for the reply Scott. Hank, I agree with you and do not understand the need for advertisements like this on the main board when there are already other avenues for advertisement such as the banner ads and the emails blasts. At the least, this should be labeled as an advertisement in the thread title in my opinion.

Alan

[gnaz01]

Just Collect is aggressively buying and paying top dollar for your PSA & SGC graded vintage cards and complete sets. We are paying 70% of the current market value for your vintage graded singles, graded sets, and collections. We do not subtract commissions, we do not subtract eBay fees, and we don’t even subtract buyer or seller premiums. We just pay 70% of what your cards are worth in today’s market and we pay right away!

Scott, "HOW" are you determining "today's market value"?? VCP average? High VCP?? Low VCP?? Ebay?? Private Sales?? Market value can be all over the place and is VERY subjective IMHO......

[HRBAKER]

Standing by for the infomercial.
Congrats on the Plank.

[HobokenJon]

Wow. Not just dollars, but REAL dollars. My offer to buy your REAL dollars for 70 cents stands.

[HobokenJon]

I will pay QUICKLY, too.

[4815162342]

Guys, advertisers like this are why we are able to have this board. I see nothing wrong with this thread whatsoever, and congrats on the Plank.

[Thromdog]

Guys, advertisers like this are why we are able to have this board. I see nothing wrong with this thread whatsoever, and congrats on the Plank.

+1

Looking forward to seeing Mr Plank. Good luck Scott!

[JustCollectVP]

Wow. Not just dollars, but REAL dollars. My offer to buy your REAL dollars for 70 cents stands.

Thank you, I'll pass on your "offer." Your point had been made and noted. Thrice...

[swarmee]

I am thrilled there is a new Plank. How many are known now? I think if you started the thread off with a picture, more people would have focused on the card.

[bigfish]

Scott, "HOW" are you determining "today's market value"?? VCP average? High VCP?? Low VCP?? Ebay?? Private Sales?? Market value can be all over the place and is VERY subjective IMHO......


Great question. Looking forward to seeing a response to this. Also, are you paying more than 70 percent for centered cards?

[HobokenJon]

I'm raising my offer for dollar bills to 80 cents.

[ValKehl]

Thanks for the reply Scott. Hank, I agree with you and do not understand the need for advertisements like this on the main board when there are already other avenues for advertisement such as the banner ads and the emails blasts. At the least, this should be labeled as an advertisement in the thread title in my opinion.

Alan

+1

[frankbmd]

You can't expect a good outcome when you walk the Plank.:eek::eek::eek:

[Leon]

This thread should have been labeled as a paid ad and that was my mistake. Otherwise, They will continue just the way they have been. My apologies if they offend anyone but I don't think they are that big of a deal. It's not like there are a lot of them. But of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thanks for the comments and thanks to JustCollect for not only being good hobby friends of 15yrs + but also part of the community as an advertiser and participant. I hope it continues for multiples of the next 15 yrs.

[JustCollectVP]

I'll amend the thread title for the sake of complete and full disclosure.

I'm not looking to ruffle anyone's feathers. This also isn't out of the blue. We are a paying banner advertiser, received Leon's approval and posted accordingly with the advertorial.

With regard to those that wish to bait or engage, I will take pass. We have too much respect for the community to clutter the boards with such banter.

Accordingly, I will try to answer serious questions that are posed. Also, please forgive the lack of complete details with respect to the Plank, but we are building a nice presentation and we will gladly share it with you when it is ready.

The card has been held privately for several generations and was one of the lowest condition cards in the collection.

[JustCollectVP]

Scott, "HOW" are you determining "today's market value"?? VCP average? High VCP?? Low VCP?? Ebay?? Private Sales?? Market value can be all over the place and is VERY subjective IMHO......
[QUOTE=bigfish;1549336]Great question. Looking forward to seeing a response to this. Also, are you paying more than 70 percent for centered cards?

Values are determined by utilizing VCP, market trends and stability of pricing for the item(s) within the marketplace (some items are very stable and others have a quite thinly traded history). VCP has good and bad points, so it is not a concrete guide and I would be hard pressed to apply a blanket statement or policy with respect to valuations. However, centering and eye appeal of select cards may garner a premium with respect to market value and/or our eventual offer.

[gnaz01]

[QUOTE=gnaz01]Scott, "HOW" are you determining "today's market value"?? VCP average? High VCP?? Low VCP?? Ebay?? Private Sales?? Market value can be all over the place and is VERY subjective IMHO......


Values are determined by utilizing VCP, market trends and stability of pricing for the item(s) within the marketplace (some items are very stable and others have a quite thinly traded history). VCP has good and bad points, so it is not a concrete guide and I would be hard pressed to apply a blanket statement or policy with respect to valuations. However, centering and eye appeal of select cards may garner a premium with respect to market value and/or our eventual offer.

Fair answer Scott, and this will be my last post on the subject. The way I am interpreting your reply is "the company will look at VCP, see when the last time the card in question sold (if available on VCP) and offer 70% of that" or something along that range.

Am I in the ballpark??

[JustCollectVP]

[QUOTE=JustCollectVP;1549389]

Fair answer Scott, and this will be my last post on the subject. The way I am interpreting your reply is "the company will look at VCP, see when the last time the card in question sold (if available on VCP) and offer 70% of that" or something along that range.

Am I in the ballpark??

Actually, we utilize the trending VCP (Olympic-style scoring mode), taking into consideration market direction and weighing the demand in the marketplace -- there really isn't a concrete answer that can be applied to ALL cards, but this is pretty much the crux. In some cases, offers will exceed 70% of total retail expectation.

[Hankphenom]

This thread should have been labeled as a paid ad and that was my mistake. Otherwise, They will continue just the way they have been. My apologies if they offend anyone but I don't think they are that big of a deal. It's not like there are a lot of them. But of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thanks for the comments and thanks to JustCollect for not only being good hobby friends of 15yrs + but also part of the community as an advertiser and participant. I hope it continues for multiples of the next 15 yrs.

You know how much I love the forum, Leon, and I'm all for ads to support it. I hope it makes a lot of money, I'm a capitalist all the way. But why isn't this post under the B/S/T section? Even if you label them, I think mixing paid posts in with the heart of the forum itself is a big mistake, and will diminish both.

[cardcountry]

I have sold quite a few cards to Scott and Leighton at the past few nationals. Every year I enjoy chatting with them- they are very knowledgable and have a great eye for cards. In my experience they have always paid very fairly, and high quality cards for the grade were treated as such. I'd be happy to sell more cards to them or refer customers to them, as I know they would treat them fairly.

Jeff

[Leon]

You know how much I love the forum, Leon, and I'm all for ads to support it. I hope it makes a lot of money, I'm a capitalist all the way. But why isn't this post under the B/S/T section? Even if you label them, I think mixing paid posts in with the heart of the forum itself is a big mistake, and will diminish both.

They have been going on for years, Hank. If they were in the BST section then they wouldn't get the traffic to justify the cost to advertise them. There won't be too many as there have been so few (and they have been going on for approximately 3-4 yrs) you haven't even noticed them :). Take care....and yes, you and I have had some very good discussions concerning the forum and you were a true friend at the last National.....I appreciated that. take care..

[bobbyw8469]

I have sold quite a few cards to Scott and Leighton at the past few nationals. Every year I enjoy chatting with them- they are very knowledgable and have a great eye for cards. In my experience they have always paid very fairly, and high quality cards for the grade were treated as such. I'd be happy to sell more cards to them or refer customers to them, as I know they would treat them fairly.

Jeff

I'm glad you have good dealings with them. My dealings with Scott has been the exact polar opposite - very UNPROFESSIONAL. For those who choose to deal with them, more power to you. I can only give my personal experience with him.

[JustCollectVP]

I'm glad you have good dealings with them. My dealings with Scott has been the exact polar opposite - very UNPROFESSIONAL. For those who choose to deal with them, more power to you. I can only give my personal experience with him.

Bobby:

Our difference were on the CU boards and had NOTHING to do with business and had nothing to do with Just Collect. I called you out for several foolish and outlandish statements that you made and the facts demonstrated you were inaccurate. You were upset by that and complained to CU moderators. It is part of life and one that I didn't bother with anymore. Just because we didn't agree doesn't give you the right to make such a bold and outlandish statement challenging both my credibility and that of the company that I work for.

On the business side, I have never done a single business transaction with you personally and I highly doubt that you have had any negative dealings with Just Collect. I challenge you to provide one shred of evidence to suggest that I or Just Collect have EVER been unprofessional with you in ANY business transaction.

In the absence of any evidence, I would expect you to amend or retract your statement.

[bbcemporium]

I've had many transactions with Just Collect, and have nothing but good to say about Scott and Leighton. The hobby would be well served to have more dealers like this.

[RCMcKenzie]

I've bought cards from Just Collect on eBay and have always been happy with the deals I've had with them. I do get a lot of emails from them, which is annoying, but okay. I don't see how calling customers "sophomoric", and using words I have to look up like "advertorial", and going tete a tete with the usual suspects on here helps promote the cause. I can say I liked this thread more than the Ali thread...Rob

[bobbyw8469]

I've had many transactions with Just Collect, and have nothing but good to say about Scott and Leighton. The hobby would be well served to have more dealers like this.

I guess you don't know the whole story then and the truth behind how they operate "behind the scenes". I am not alone in this, as I have received a PM from someone who was similarly abused by him.

And I wasn't referring to CU boards. The CU boards was like the Wild West. I get that. I was referring to postings on another board which I was not a member of and had no opportunity to defend myself. Posting people's personal information is NEVER cool! EVER! I don't know what made you think it was, but it isn't. Myself and my family did not appreciate it. That is where I have to draw the line.

[JustCollectVP]

I guess you don't know the whole story then and the truth behind how they operate "behind the scenes". I am not alone in this, as I have received a PM from someone who was similarly abused by him.

And I wasn't referring to CU boards. The CU boards was like the Wild West. I get that. I was referring to postings on another board which I was not a member of and had no opportunity to defend myself. Posting people's personal information is NEVER cool! EVER! I don't know what made you think it was, but it isn't. Myself and my family did not appreciate it. That is where I have to draw the line.

Bobby, I'm going to make this simple. Please provide one shred of evidence. A screenshot, an email, a PM a thread to substantiate one word of your allegations and hearsay. I have no personal information of yours nor have I ever shared it. The fact that someone posted something that you posted publicly to your Facebook account (not me, by the way), isn't a violation of your personal information. Making up stories about it and blaming others not involved is juvenile.

Just because I called you out on CU and made you look foolish by citing FACTS and TRUTH doesn't allow you the right to LIE and DEFAME me or my character. Even worse is suggesting publicly that Just Collect is also complicit.

I have been in this hobby for more than 30 years and I've busted my ass to be above board and have gone beyond normal means to make things right.

However, I have also pissed off a few people by pointing out the silliness or idiocy of their opinions about the hobby when they spew inaccuracies, lies and false information. If this was a damning characteristic, many on this board would be Hell-bound.

I don't need to make this a pissing contest. I don't have any interest in challenging you other than making certain that your personal dislike for me doesn't supersede the fact that you are lying about me to satisfy some inner issues from having lost a few battles over hobby related discussions.

So, again, rather than provide lip service and hearsay, be specific. Prove your lies or they should be erased and an apology put up in their place.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Bobby, I'm going to make this simple. Please provide one shred of evidence. A screenshot, an email, a PM a thread to substantiate one word of your allegations and hearsay. I have no personal information of yours nor have I ever shared it. The fact that someone posted something that you posted publicly to your Facebook account (not me, by the way), isn't a violation of your personal information. Making up stories about it and blaming others not involved is juvenile.

Just because I called you out on CU and made you look foolish by citing FACTS and TRUTH doesn't allow you the right to LIE and DEFAME me or my character. Even worse is suggesting publicly that Just Collect is also complicit.

I have been in this hobby for more than 30 years and I've busted my ass to be above board and have gone beyond normal means to make things right.

However, I have also pissed off a few people by pointing out the silliness or idiocy of their opinions about the hobby when they spew inaccuracies, lies and false information. If this was a damning characteristic, many on this board would be Hell-bound.

I don't need to make this a pissing contest. I don't have any interest in challenging you other than making certain that your personal dislike for me doesn't supersede the fact that you are lying about me to satisfy some inner issues from having lost a few battles over hobby related discussions.

So, again, rather than provide lip service and hearsay, be specific. Prove your lies or they should be erased and an apology put up in their place.

Not sure any of this matters..Bobby has said he is getting out of the hobby.....

[botn]

I guess you don't know the whole story then and the truth behind how they operate "behind the scenes". I am not alone in this, as I have received a PM from someone who was similarly abused by him.

And I wasn't referring to CU boards. The CU boards was like the Wild West. I get that. I was referring to postings on another board which I was not a member of and had no opportunity to defend myself. Posting people's personal information is NEVER cool! EVER! I don't know what made you think it was, but it isn't. Myself and my family did not appreciate it. That is where I have to draw the line.

Scott did the same thing to me, Robert. I did not even know him and out of the blue he attacked me on the CU board making unfounded and inaccurate allegations when he knew I could not defend myself because I was not on the board.

For a guy with his background of being the head graded for SGC for Joe Merkel during a time when SGC graded more altered cards than legit cards, he has a lot of nerve acting like a bully. By the way, for those who don't know those are the old label SGC graded cards which SGC will not honor their guaranty.

[JustCollectVP]

Greg, I believe that the post that you are referring to many years ago was were someone called you out about an eBay auction - I believe a card that was graded and you slammed PSA over their grade and the listing was a tirade because PSA didn't agree with your assessment of the material.

I recall that I noted that "the seller" played the bump game and that the bitter text in the auctions was probably more sour grapes than fact. I didn't know whether you were on CU or not, nor did I think that it mattered. If my facts are inaccurate, then I apologize. If they are correct, then I will stand by them.

With respect to SGC, I was a Senior Grader (1998-2000) and I was there during the end of the Merkle run. I was not the "Head Grader" as that responsibility fell upon Merkle and to a lesser extent, Grady, but I had no final say at what went out the door in a holder. Suffice it to say that there were cards that were put on the market that I would not have allowed in a holder.

[bobbyw8469]

Not sure any of this matters..Bobby has said he is getting out of the hobby.....

Internet bullying is never cool. And for you to belittle it by making a statement such as you did shows what an idiot you are. Does that excuse a rapists of rape because the girl is leaving town?? You are a dolt.

[bobbyw8469]

Scott did the same thing to me, Robert. I did not even know him and out of the blue he attacked me on the CU board making unfounded and inaccurate allegations when he knew I could not defend myself because I was not on the board.

For a guy with his background of being the head graded for SGC for Joe Merkel during a time when SGC graded more altered cards than legit cards, he has a lot of nerve acting like a bully. By the way, for those who don't know those are the old label SGC graded cards which SGC will not honor their guaranty.

+1 Greg. For someone in that high of a position to act that way is baffling to me. Unethical and unprofessional. No excuse for that kind of behavior.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Internet bullying is never cool. And for you to belittle it by making a statement such as you did shows what an idiot you are. Does that excuse a rapists of rape because the girl is leaving town?? You are a dolt.

You said you are getting out of the hobby (or at least taking a break, that has not occured yet, did you not? I am not sure why that is bullying to you or the other person...comparing what i said to rape isnt cool.....

i think you even have a thread about selling your cards because you are getting out of the hobby, or at least taking a break..which hasnt happened yet..(inferring that you are giving good deals as everything has to go')..i just pointed out that who cares about some hobby dispute when you are getting out .. i not on anyone's side... Justcollect could be very guilty of everything negative people are saying, who knows......and yes internet bullying is never cool... being not truthful isnt cool either as a general matter

In addition, if bullying isnt cool it also isnt cool on b/s/t to comment negatively on cards for sale...such as commenting negatively on the corners of a card on b/s/t/..im sure you wouldnt like it if i commented on alleged faults, true or not on any particular card you have for sale...especially one thats $1000+ on b/s/t.. .. just say the word and ill be sure to comment....so to summarize..internet bullying is bad, not being truthful is bad and providing negative comments on b/s/t is bad.......and you compare what i said to rape..... great post...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Suffice it to say that there were cards that were put on the market that I would not have allowed in a holder.

And how did that happen? Incompetence? Favoritism?

And if you knew bad cards were making their way into the hobby, did you do anything to try to stop it?

[Stonepony]

You said you are getting out of the hobby (or at least taking a break, that has not occured yet, did you not? I am not sure why that is bullying to you or the other person...comparing what i said to rape isnt cool.....

i think you even have a thread about selling your cards because you are getting out of the hobby, or at least taking a break..which hasnt happened yet..(inferring that you are giving good deals as everything has to go')..i just pointed out that who cares about some hobby dispute when you are getting out .. i not on anyone's side... Justcollect could be very guilty of everything negative people are saying, who knows......and yes internet bullying is never cool... being not truthful isnt cool either as a general matter

In addition, if bullying isnt cool it also isnt cool on b/s/t to comment negatively on cards for sale...such as commenting negatively on the corners of a card on b/s/t/..im sure you wouldnt like it if i commented on alleged faults, true or not on any particular card you have for sale...especially one thats $1000+ on b/s/t.. .. just say the word and ill be sure to comment....so to summarize..internet bullying is bad, not being truthful is bad and providing negative comments on b/s/t is bad.......and you compare what i said to rape..... great post...

Using the word " cool" 5 times within a single post is, well...cool !!

[egbeachley]

Internet bullying is never cool. And for you to belittle it by making a statement such as you did shows what an idiot you are. Does that excuse a rapists of rape because the girl is leaving town?? You are a dolt.

Wow. Post #47.

I see a quote and a response. Only 1 would I consider internet bullying.

[JustCollectVP]

And how did that happen? Incompetence? Favoritism?

And if you knew bad cards were making their way into the hobby, did you do anything to try to stop it?

I have my opinion with respect to Merkle's performance. I voiced my concerns when I felt there was an issue, however I did not have much say during Merkle's tour of duty.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have my opinion with respect to Merkle's performance. I voiced my concerns when I felt there was an issue, however I did not have much say during Merkle's tour of duty.

So to my question, is it your opinion that he was just incompetent, or that he was knowingly grading bad cards? The result may be the same but the implications are different. Certainly Derek Grady was/is not incompetent based on everything I know.

Did you consider blowing the whistle on it instead of just going along?

[botn]

Greg, I believe that the post that you are referring to many years ago was were someone called you out about an eBay auction - I believe a card that was graded and you slammed PSA over their grade and the listing was a tirade because PSA didn't agree with your assessment of the material.

I recall that I noted that "the seller" played the bump game and that the bitter text in the auctions was probably more sour grapes than fact. I didn't know whether you were on CU or not, nor did I think that it mattered. If my facts are inaccurate, then I apologize. If they are correct, then I will stand by them.

With respect to SGC, I was a Senior Grader (1998-2000) and I was there during the end of the Merkle run. I was not the "Head Grader" as that responsibility fell upon Merkle and to a lesser extent, Grady, but I had no final say at what went out the door in a holder. Suffice it to say that there were cards that were put on the market that I would not have allowed in a holder.

You wrote far more than I was a seller who played the bump game and you knew I could not post there because it was mentioned on the very short thread more than once. I also reached out to you via email once I was made aware of your irresponsible post about me also reiterating that I could not post and you not only did not reply but you went out of your way to again post on the thread that you were not going to reply to me and you stood by everything you wrote.

Those are some big eggs, dude. For a guy who now claims to have looked the other way while his boss shoved bad cards into holders I would say you might want to spend a bit more time checking yourself rather than attacking someone who you do not know in the slightest. My guess is that anyone who stays at that job for that long did more than look the other way. So if you were not the one who gave the green light to bad cards you at least lacked enough ethics to stay employed there and did nothing to stop it and nothing to inform the public.

You might have others fooled about what a great hobby guy you are but you do not fool me in the least.

[JustCollectVP]

You wrote far more than I was a seller who played the bump game and you knew I could not post there because it was mentioned on the very short thread more than once. I also reached out to you via email once I was made aware of your irresponsible post about me also reiterating that I could not post and you not only did not reply but you went out of your way to again post on the thread that you were not going to reply to me and you stood by everything you wrote.

Those are some big eggs, dude. For a guy who now claims to have looked the other way while his boss shoved bad cards into holders I would say you might want to spend a bit more time checking yourself rather than attacking someone who you do not know in the slightest. My guess is that anyone who stays at that job for that long did more than look the other way. So if you were not the one who gave the green light to bad cards you at least lacked enough ethics to stay employed there and did nothing to stop it and nothing to inform the public.

You might have others fooled about what a great hobby guy you are but you do not fool me in the least.

Greg, I'm going to make this quite clear. You are WRONG! Your assumptions and your allegations are WRONG! Point a finger all you want, but count how many point back at you.

[bobbyw8469]

You might have others fooled about what a great hobby guy you are but you do not fool me in the least.

Nor I. I am sure others feel the same way, but just don't wish to get involved or speak out, lest they get attacked as well.

[Joshwesley]

This escalated quickly

Insert Ron Burgundy gif

Lol

[JustCollectVP]

Actually, I found the thread and I also mentioned that you altered cards (which was second hand information - and if incorrect, my apologies as I certainly should've vetted such before posting it).

It was actually blasting SGC, not PSA.

Here is the thread: https://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=11&threadid=774262

Again, I'm not trying to hide and I'll take ownership of my words.

[botn]

Actually, I found the thread and I also mentioned that you altered cards (which was second hand information - and if incorrect, my apologies as I certainly should've vetted such before posting it).

It was actually blasting SGC, not PSA.

Here is the thread: https://forums.collectors.com/messageview.aspx?catid=11&threadid=774262

Again, I'm not trying to hide and I'll take ownership of my words.

Yes you should have vetted your source before making the post. Your post indicates you have first hand info. No clue who your source was but it was entirely irresponsible to post that I personally alter cards lacking evidence which neither you nor your source could possibly have.

Getting bumps and playing that game which virtually everyone does, does not mean someone is altering cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Before this deteriorates any further can we stick for a second to the big story line here at least from my perspective? An SGC grader comes on the board and tells us that for a period of time, in his opinion, SGC was putting bad cards into the marketplace. That to me is a big deal, and I would like to know more about it and in particular the OP's perspective on how this happened and why.

[botn]

I didn't know whether you were on CU or not, nor did I think that it mattered.

Now that you have posted the CU thread are you lying now when you say you did not know whether or not I was on CU? Course you knew...If you read the thread enough to post about me then you should have read that I was tossed off the board a few posts before your first post. Obviously you wanted to play bully and beat up on someone who could not defend themselves which is why you were too much of a coward to reply to my email.

But enough about me. I am not the one coming on the board trying to convince people to trust them. Seems you have a past, maybe a present, which you need to explain. You come off as not very genuine now and clearly have at least a past which demonstrated a real lack of ethics and you seem to be avoiding discussing that. Typing WRONG! in response to my statements and ignoring Peter's questions may be insufficient.

[Beastmode]

Hey Ed
Hope all is well over there.....They passed it by me first and this is a paid advertisement, otherwise you would be 100% correct.


Doesn't bother me this is here, but should disclose this is a "paid" advertisement. Feels snake-oily without disclosure.

[Beastmode]

Wow. Not just dollars, but REAL dollars. My offer to buy your REAL dollars for 70 cents stands.

+1 It was funny the first time; and it's funny again.:D:D:D

[JustCollectVP]

Now that you have posted the CU thread are you lying now when you say you did not know whether or not I was on CU? Course you knew...If you read the thread enough to post about me then you should have read that I was tossed off the board a few posts before your first post. Obviously you wanted to play bully and beat up on someone who could not defend themselves which is why you were too much of a coward to reply to my email.

But enough about me. I am not the one coming on the board trying to convince people to trust them. Seems you have a past, maybe a present, which you need to explain. You come off as not very genuine now and clearly have at least a past which demonstrated a real lack of ethics and you seem to be avoiding discussing that. Typing WRONG! in response to my statements and ignoring Peter's questions may be insufficient.

Since I assumed that you were "litigator" on the CU, I assumed that you had an avenue to reply. Again, perhaps that was incorrect. I really don't care anymore and since it was more than six years ago, I really would've though you'd have let it go. Obviously not. Regardless, my apologies if I was out of line or off base.

I have no desire to rehash or speak about SGC or my time there. Despite you, Peter, or anyone else wanting an explanation, I am neither obligated nor inclined to provide you with any details of what happened during a regime long gone (both the head grader and the ownership).

Bad cards and erroneous cards have been holdered by ALL of the major TPG's before and after my time as a grader. Some despite warnings from others on staff. Any declaration, speculation or insight provided on my part will only add fuel for the flames that some wish to ignite and I feel no need or responsibility to add fodder to that quest.

Cast whatever stones you wish. Question me all you want, but just because a few have issues with me calling them out over the past decade and want to continue to grind that axe, it is a far cry to question my ethics or integrity. And even more so to try to therefore translate this bitterness to the company that I work for that has been nothing but standup and transparent.

[Beastmode]

This thread should have been labeled as a paid ad and that was my mistake. Otherwise, They will continue just the way they have been. My apologies if they offend anyone but I don't think they are that big of a deal. It's not like there are a lot of them. But of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thanks for the comments and thanks to JustCollect for not only being good hobby friends of 15yrs + but also part of the community as an advertiser and participant. I hope it continues for multiples of the next 15 yrs.

Awesome; I didn't see this before my last post:o

[Peter_Spaeth]

Since I assumed that you were "litigator" on the CU, I assumed that you had an avenue to reply. Again, perhaps that was incorrect. I really don't care anymore and since it was more than six years ago, I really would've though you'd have let it go. Obviously not. Regardless, my apologies if I was out of line or off base.

I have no desire to rehash or speak about SGC or my time there. Despite you, Peter, or anyone else wanting an explanation, I am neither obligated nor inclined to provide you with any details of what happened during a regime long gone (both the head grader and the ownership).

Bad cards and erroneous cards have been holdered by ALL of the major TPG's before and after my time as a grader. Some despite warnings from others on staff. Any declaration, speculation or insight provided on my part will only add fuel for the flames that some wish to ignite and I feel no need or responsibility to add fodder to that quest.

Cast whatever stones you wish. Question me all you want, but just because a few have issues with me calling them out over the past decade and want to continue to grind that axe, it is a far cry to question my ethics or integrity. And even more so to try to therefore translate this bitterness to the company that I work for that has been nothing but standup and transparent.

Scott, YOU volunteered the information about SGC, and offered a Nuremberg type defense in response to Greg, and I merely asked follow up factual questions hoping to elicit more information. I have not said a word against you to this point. Obviously if you don't want to answer I can't make you, and we can form our own judgments. To me, coming as it did from an SGC grader, it was a big deal, the first such direct admission of its kind I am aware of, and more concrete than the shop talk and speculation with which we are all too familiar.

[botn]

Since I assumed that you were "litigator" on the CU, I assumed that you had an avenue to reply. Again, perhaps that was incorrect. I really don't care anymore and since it was more than six years ago, I really would've though you'd have let it go. Obviously not. Regardless, my apologies if I was out of line or off base.

I have no desire to rehash or speak about SGC or my time there. Despite you, Peter, or anyone else wanting an explanation, I am neither obligated nor inclined to provide you with any details of what happened during a regime long gone (both the head grader and the ownership).

Bad cards and erroneous cards have been holdered by ALL of the major TPG's before and after my time as a grader. Some despite warnings from others on staff. Any declaration, speculation or insight provided on my part will only add fuel for the flames that some wish to ignite and I feel no need or responsibility to add fodder to that quest.

Cast whatever stones you wish. Question me all you want, but just because a few have issues with me calling them out over the past decade and want to continue to grind that axe, it is a far cry to question my ethics or integrity. And even more so to try to therefore translate this bitterness to the company that I work for that has been nothing but standup and transparent.

I emailed you after your first post and told you I was not "litigator". Why would I email you directly to address your very disparaging post about me if I were able to defend myself there? You are full of it. And 6 years ago or not, you were incredibly reckless.

I have not said anything about the company who employs you now but your refusal to speak about the fraud which took place while you were a senior grader at SGC for several years other than to absolve yourself of any wrong doing or responsibility speaks volumes to the person you are today.

[JustCollectVP]

I emailed you after your first post and told you I was not "litigator". Why would I email you directly to address your very disparaging post about me if I were able to defend myself there? You are full of it. And 6 years ago or not, you were incredibly reckless.

I have not said anything about the company who employs you now but your refusal to speak about the fraud which took place while you were a senior grader at SGC for several years other than to absolve yourself of any wrong doing or responsibility speaks volumes to the person you are today.

Fraud is a word that you have used, not I.

I am through with this area of discussion.

[botn]

Fraud is a word that you have used, not I.

I am through with this area of discussion.

SGC will not honor their guaranty for cards graded during a time in which you were a senior grader-- a time where by your own admission, SGC holdered bad cards. If it is not fraud then what is it? You continued to work there knowing bad cards were being holdered. You did nothing with this information and continue to dismiss yourself from what took place. Of course that seems to be ok with you because bad cards from all grading services get holdered. You have a convenient explanation for everything.

[Peter_Spaeth]

When people volunteer a little information, then refuse to answer questions and act indignant, that often doesn't work out too well. Just an observation.
adver
Anyhow, back to the advertisement, as apparently no more information is forthcoming.

[begsu1013]

scott,

as primarily a psa guy and considering a recent sgc purchase was made, can i get just one piece of vital information that shouldn't cause a stir or implicate anyone...

this merkle tenure and guarantee reneging is news to me.

is there a certain set of flip numbers or perhaps a certain looking flip style that we should be on the look out for to protect ourselves?

or simply what are the determining signs of one of these suspicious or questionable cards?

if you can shed any insight on this for me i would certainly appreciate it....


congrats on the plank find and despite the detours would call this thread a success.

(and no one is perfect here, guys. myself included)

[begsu1013]

and this reminds me of the tommy boy scene:

if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, i will. ive got plenty of time. (https://youtu.be/a5dpBpaFiMo?t=6)

[1952boyntoncollector]

When people volunteer a little information, then refuse to answer questions and act indignant, that often doesn't work out too well. Just an observation.
adver
Anyhow, back to the advertisement, as apparently no more information is forthcoming.

Where are all those pro sgc posters now that talk about and show PSA graded cards that were overgraded etc....

[Peter_Spaeth]

scott,

as primarily a psa guy and considering a recent sgc purchase was made, can i get just one piece of vital information that shouldn't cause a stir or implicate anyone...

this merkle tenure and guarantee reneging is news to me.

is there a certain set of flip numbers or perhaps a certain looking flip style that we should be on the look out for to protect ourselves?

or simply what are the determining signs of one of these suspicious or questionable cards?

if you can shed any insight on this for me i would certainly appreciate it....


congrats on the plank find and despite the detours would call this thread a success.

(and no one is perfect here, guys. myself included)

Deleted, apparently posted information was wrong.

[JustCollectVP]

(1) SG on the front(1998)
(2) SGC on the front, but no 1-10 grade(99-04)
(3) SGC on the front with 1-10 grade + gold label on the back(05-08)
(4) SGC on the front with 1-10 grade + SGC pressed into the back(09-current)

This was posted pre the most recent flip obviously. Merkel pretty sure was through 04.

Actually, Merkle was gone in 1999.

The SG logo was used until late '98/early '99. The change to the SGC logo was near the very end of Joe's tenure and the dual grade at the end of '99 was after he was gone.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Actually, Merkle was gone in 1999.

The SG logo was used until late '98/early '99. The change to the SGC logo was near the very end of Joe's tenure and the dual grade at the end of '99 was after he was gone.

OK.

[begsu1013]

so basically any of'em w/o a numerical grade?

[frankbmd]

so basically any of'em w/o a numerical grade?

To be clear any without a 1-10 grade.

I would consider 50 and 84 to be numerical grades.

[Peter_Spaeth]

To be clear any without a 1-10 grade.

I would consider 50 and 84 to be numerical grades.

I hope you were that precise when you did surgery.

[begsu1013]

that is how i perceived it as well and he might as well been there thru 04 in my mind.


thanks for the glimpse of sunshine and moments of fresh air. heading back down to the dungeon now...

:D

[slipk1068]

Where are all those pro sgc posters now that talk about and show PSA graded cards that were overgraded etc....

PSA 8 Honus Wagner. Nuff Ced.

[DeanH3]

PSA 8 Honus Wagner. Nuff Ced.

+1. Let's not mention WWAG either.

[Peter_Spaeth]

PSA 8 Honus Wagner. Nuff Ced.

http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_5.html

[glynparson]

To just scream Wagner about Psa people can scream Doyle about sgc because just like sgc has a totally different regime so does Psa from the days of the Wagner. It was also a calculated business decision in my opinion and it would be hard to argue that it was not a successful decision. In fact an owner of a chief Psa competitor once told me before he owned the company he now does that he would have slabbed it at the time because of all the press it got them. I can remeber a tony galovich article where he talked about how it only got an 8 but was sold to Gretzky McNall as mint and how they should have asked for some money back. Yell about current issues but talking about something from 24 years ago at a company with entirely different graders a different president and changed from a privately owned company to a publicly owned doesn't really hold any water anymore.

[Peter_Spaeth]

To just scream Wagner about Psa people can scream Doyle about sgc because just like sgc has a totally different regime so does Psa from the days of the Wagner. It was also a calculated business decision in my opinion and it would be hard to argue that it was not a successful decision. In fact an owner of a chief Psa competitor once told me before he owned the company he now does that he would have slabbed it at the time because of all the press it got them. I can remeber a tony galovich article where he talked about how it only got an 8 but was sold to Gretzky McNally as mint and how they should have asked for some money back. Yell about current issues but talking about something from 24 years ago at a company with entirely different graders a different president and changed from a privately owned company to a publicly owned doesn't really hold any water anymore.

I am sure there are many more recent examples at both companies one could talk about as well. To an extent it goes with the territory I suppose, as you mostly are paying for a quick opinion not a crime lab.

[slipk1068]

The questions is, which one is a mistake, and which one is turning a blind eye to a card you know is bad.

[glynparson]

all I have to say about the plank is I personally would advise one use a sniping service if planning on bidding from my personal experiences.

[Sean]

I can remeber a tony galovich article where he talked about how it only got an 8 but was sold to Gretzky McNally as mint and how they should have asked for some money back.

I'm curious, if Gretzky and McNall asked for some money from PSA, wouldn't they also have to surrender the card to PSA?

[Stampsfan]

I don't think this thread is gonna do much to attract advertisers who want to purchase collections. :confused:

[glynparson]

Tony was referring to the auction house that called the card mint not Psa who graded it nm mt.

[Gradedcardman]

Would love to see a picture of the Plank when possible.