the crazy price thread...

[begsu1013]

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[mintonlyplz]

'63 rose 8.5 $42000
'68 ryan 8.5 $21000

[begsu1013]

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[pokerplyr80]

With all of the craziness of late, two that stood out to me were:

55 Koufax 8.5 89k
60 Aaron 9 42k

[Jdoggs]

1) 1916 M101 Sporting News Babe Ruth PSA 4 sold for $155k, about triple SMR of $55k
2) 1916 M101 Sporting News Babe Ruth PSA 5 sold for $195k, about double SMR of $100k

[Jdoggs]

'63 rose 8.5 $42000
'68 ryan 8.5 $21000
Since the 63 Rose 8.5 sold for $42k, is a 63 Rose PSA 9 a $100k+ card now?

[begsu1013]

Since the 63 Rose 8.5 sold for $42k, is a 63 Rose PSA 9 a $100k+ card now?

sure hope so. might be time to unload the other one.

[Leon]

I understand acquiring the best card you can with the resources you have but it just seems crazy to pay 100x more than what this card cost, for the same card with just a little less wear.

[begsu1013]

agreed. gorgeous card!

edit: but then we'll be eating these words next month/year?!?!

[Leon]

agreed. gorgeous card!

edit: but then we'll be eating these words next month/year?!?!

Thanks, if I am going to dabble in post war I want to at least have decent looking cards. And Next month it will be 125x as much. :)

[begsu1013]

i like the way you use the word dabble w/ that rose and mantle! ; )

cant wait to see what happens if/when you decide to dive in head first....

[Leon]

...
cant wait to see what happens if/when you decide to dive in head first....

I will be divorced after 21 yrs if that happens. Wifey only knows about the '51 Mantle :). There is a strategy to my collecting..... I always love the hunt.

[begsu1013]

what does a tornado and a collector's divorce have in common?

someone's gonna lose a mantle.

[Jdoggs]

Amazing the rose rookie PSA 8.5 sale of $41k.
From eBay completed sales a rose rookie PSA 9 sold for $28.9k on May 7 this year and I recall a rose rookie PSA 9 sold for $34.9k a few months ago on eBay completed sales.

[Republicaninmass]

The same thing has happened over and over again in every Artsy Farty collecting community, in so far as investment vehicles I can only speculate.

It gets saturated by people who care about the price tag, and not the item itself. Once they move on, the dead cat bounce is left to the true lovers of the art.

How far down does it go? Who cares unless you need the money tomorrow to pay your mortgage! At some point people will jump in to pick up the pieces.

[mintonlyplz]

Since the 63 Rose 8.5 sold for $42k, is a 63 Rose PSA 9 a $100k+ card now?

This same Pete Rose RC sold during February 2016 in a Probstein Auction for $11000+. A $30k ramp up in 3 months!

[Jdoggs]

This same Pete Rose RC sold during February 2016 in a Probstein Auction for $11000+. A $30k ramp up in 3 months!

+1

[1952boyntoncollector]

I understand acquiring the best card you can with the resources you have but it just seems crazy to pay 100x more than what this card cost, for the same card with just a little less wear.

It woud suck if you were a ken mcmullen relative or big fan...as it would be really hard to get a high grade rookie card of your great relative..

[pokerplyr80]

A 51 Mays PSA 6 just went for over 15k. Nice centering though.

[begsu1013]

the guy just bought the card on 5/23 as well.

was chasing it, but ended up finding a nicely centered one here on the board.

:D

[pokerplyr80]

Wow that's a pretty nice profit it a week. I'm sorry I missed it the first time. I was out of the running for this one but 6,500 would have been an instant buy.

[GasHouseGang]

This really has the feel of a price bubble that is driven by speculation. I don't see how this can continue. I'm afraid someone is going to end up feeling foolish.

[begsu1013]

i wasn't chasing it anywhere near that price either.

i knew it was purchased last week @ $6500, topped out before the final hour and the high bidder while it was stuck on $8100 had 100% bidding activity w the seller.

i have zero facts but i didn't like the feeling of rewarding the guy after he had already cleared nearly $2k in a week on the card already.

so i wasn't gonna chase it any further, but hot d@mn if that thing didn't skyrocket in the last 20 seconds and blew away my expectations as i thought the guy was gonna end up getting stuck w/ it by being greedy....

shows you what i know.

regardless, it was a beautiful card.

kudos to the seller on that one.

[TheNightmanCometh]

This really has the feel of a price bubble that is driven by speculation. I don't see how this can continue. I'm afraid someone is going to end up feeling foolish.

From a purely selfish point of view I hope it collapses because as it stands there is no way I'm ever going to be able to afford any of these cards, nor if I could would I ever pay that much.

[Republicaninmass]

This really has the feel of a price bubble that is driven by speculation. I don't see how this can continue. I'm afraid someone is going to end up feeling foolish.


The greater fool theory

[sixpointone]

I'm unsure if it counts, because the card itself has not yet sold, but there is a PSA 10 Johnny Bench rookie on eBay, asking for 75k. It is my understanding that would be far and away a record price, should the card indeed sell at that price point.

[Republicaninmass]

I received an offer for my sgc 7 clemente of 8,000. I believe this was a real offer. Since I bought it in 2007 for 2500, this would be a huge profit, but not earth shattering.

[glynparson]

The 10 and some of the 9s (and even 8s on a few cards) pricing doesn't shock me but pricing on 7 Rose ND RYAN AND 5-6 CLEMENTE ROOKIES is what is amazing to me and can't last. The high grade market can honestly stay at these levels but the mid grade stuff can't in my honest opinion.

[pokerplyr80]

I'm unsure if it counts, because the card itself has not yet sold, but there is a PSA 10 Johnny Bench rookie on eBay, asking for 75k. It is my understanding that would be far and away a record price, should the card indeed sell at that price point.

He could ask 1.2 mil for it but no it doesn't count unless it's actually sold for that amount.

Edit: if you meant just to point out crazy prices then yes that could count, as would many other ebay listings.

[sixpointone]

He could ask 1.2 mil for it but no it doesn't count unless it's actually sold for that amount.

Edit: if you meant just to point out crazy prices then yes that could count, as would many other ebay listings.

Hi pokerply,

I agree with you completely. And yes, I was hoping to illustrate the various jumps in increase in eBay asking prices.

Best always,
John

[GasHouseGang]

The 10 and some of the 9s (and even 8s on a few cards) pricing doesn't shock me but pricing on 7 Rose ND RYAN AND 5-6 CLEMENTE ROOKIES is what is amazing to me and can't last. The high grade market can honestly stay at these levels but the mid grade stuff can't in my honest opinion.

I agree. The 10's and 9's have always drawn sometimes insane money. But for everyone out there just trying to complete a set, if the 5's and 6's start going crazy, it's going to be hard to afford to be a set collector.

[begsu1013]

says the 51 willie mays 6 that just hit $15k...

truth is no one in this room knows whats gonna happen.

each and every card is independent.

even from itself.

even in a comparable grade.

yes, not even all 6s are created the same.

"even beutiful 2s command respect", says the 52 mays thread.

[Rookiemonster]

eBay mays rookie is about to end psa 3 is at 2550 ! I don't know if this is a record but it seems high for a psa 3 .

[pawpawdiv9]

eBay mays rookie is about to end psa is at 2550 ! I don't know if this is a record but it seems high for a psa 3 .

Apparently you missed the B/S/T thread here on Net54:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=223252&highlight=mays
Leon was selling his PSA 2.5 for north of 3k.
I had been looking at this specimen on Ebay, and not totally shocked to see the price, thus it could of went for more.
Its not rocket science here, rookie cards are going thru the roofs.
Just don't look at the grade folks, look at the card!!!!

[bobsbbcards]

Previous high price for a PSA 3 is $1,862.75.

[Rookiemonster]

It just sold for 2800 . Yeah I totally missed the b/s/t mays wow.

[irv]

Never seen a price jump like this before!

It was $8,800 with 5 seconds or so left and jumped to over $15,000 at the end:eek:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-Eddie-Mathews-ROOKIE-RC-407-PSA-6-EXMT-PWCC-/401130672057?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&autorefresh=true&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=KG1BeMYzCOgog6N1uHr8uacqrDo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

[pokerplyr80]

Maybe not crazy, but a 51 Mantle PSA 4 just went over 11k and a 6 for over 24k. Neither well centered. An altered SGC 52 went for 21k. That was a nice looking card though.

[irv]

Maybe not crazy, but a 51 Mantle PSA 4 just went over 11k and a 6 for over 24k. Neither well centered. An altered SGC 52 went for 21k. That was a nice looking card though.

It was, and a big price jump at the end as well!

[jmb]

Maybe not crazy, but a 51 Mantle PSA 4 just went over 11k and a 6 for over 24k. Neither well centered. An altered SGC 52 went for 21k. That was a nice looking card though.

I thought I was crazy paying $7700 for the 4.5 less than 2 months ago. Guess that was a good decision. The back of the 4 wasn't very nice either. I was more surprised the 52 in 2.5 being well centered went for under $17k.

[pokerplyr80]

I thought I was crazy paying $7700 for the 4.5 less than 2 months ago. Guess that was a good decision. The back of the 4 wasn't very nice either. I was more surprised the 52 in 2.5 being well centered went for under $17k.

Yea you did fine if it's the dead centered one I think I remember. That 52 was off top to bottom and had some surface issues so I wasn't too surprised by the price. Still a great card but I wouldn't have gone much more were I looking.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Never seen a price jump like this before!

It was $8,800 with 5 seconds or so left and jumped to over $15,000 at the end:eek:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-Eddie-Mathews-ROOKIE-RC-407-PSA-6-EXMT-PWCC-/401130672057?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&autorefresh=true&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=KG1BeMYzCOgog6N1uHr8uacqrDo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

That was a damn nice Mathews. A genuinely tough card in that grade especially with that centering as opposed to Rose Koufax etc.

[irv]

That was a damn nice Mathews. A genuinely tough card in that grade especially with that centering as opposed to Rose Koufax etc.

I agree, it was damn nice, but at $8,800, I believe that was the most expensive one I have seen to date, and I thought it'd stay around that or slightly higher until the end.

What really surprised/shocked me, (and of course it's not uncommon but the norm to see price jumps at the very end) is the fact it went from $8,800 to over $15,000 in 5 seconds! :eek:

I was expecting a few hundred, maybe another $1000 or so, but to see it almost double was a shock for me.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Yea you did fine if it's the dead centered one I think I remember. That 52 was off top to bottom and had some surface issues so I wasn't too surprised by the price. Still a great card but I wouldn't have gone much more were I looking.

17k around is what the 2.5s go for i have seen for the past few months..

[Peter_Spaeth]

55 Koufax not even centered 6 for 4000+
LOL
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-Sandy-Koufax-ROOKIE-RC-123-PSA-6-EXMT-PWCC-/142012598929?hash=item21109c4a91%3Ag%3AkWwAAOSwbYZ XUIPe&nma=true&si=ux4ltM50N8xgcXbzXTQRXBrSeoI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[Leon]

I thought I was crazy paying $7700 for the 4.5 less than 2 months ago. Guess that was a good decision. The back of the 4 wasn't very nice either. I was more surprised the 52 in 2.5 being well centered went for under $17k.

The 52 Mantle was a very nice card for the price but the eye appeal is all the difference ... It is o/c a little bit top to bottom....and I think that kept the price on this one down.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-Mickey-Mantle-311-PSA-2-5-GD-PWCC-/351749041635?hash=item51e5e06de3:g:pgoAAOSwQupXUH7 d

[1952boyntoncollector]

The 52 Mantle was a very nice card for the price but the eye appeal is all the difference ... It is o/c a little bit top to bottom....and I think that kept the price on this one down.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-Mickey-Mantle-311-PSA-2-5-GD-PWCC-/351749041635?hash=item51e5e06de3:g:pgoAAOSwQupXUH7 d

it was still a pretty nice card for a 2.5..it looked better than many 3s....

[pokerplyr80]

55 Koufax not even centered 6 for 4000+
LOL
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-Sandy-Koufax-ROOKIE-RC-123-PSA-6-EXMT-PWCC-/142012598929?hash=item21109c4a91%3Ag%3AkWwAAOSwbYZ XUIPe&nma=true&si=ux4ltM50N8xgcXbzXTQRXBrSeoI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

That one really was crazy considering two other 6s were available for BINs of 2200 (now sold) and 3k (still up). A 7 in the same auction with similar centering sold for 4,900. I think that buyer got a much better deal, obviously.

[Leon]

it was still a pretty nice card for a 2.5..it looked better than many 3s....

I agree 100%. Heck it's better looking than some cards in higher than 3 holders I have seen. As has been the case, the best looking cards for their grade will command prices of cards technically graded higher. If that 2.5 would have looked like this I would have bought it in a heartbeat.

[jmb]

Hi Leon,

Our Mantle's are quite similar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/SW3packs/1952T%20MM2.5_zpswvftu8va.jpg

[Leon]

Hi Leon,

Our Mantle's are quite similar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/SW3packs/1952T%20MM2.5_zpswvftu8va.jpg

Very nice.

[pokerplyr80]

Those are some nice Mantles. The 53 Topps 7 at over 26k was also a new record, impressive since it did not have premium centering either.

On the RC side I'm sure that 57 Frank 8.5 shattered the previous high, among several others. Great looking card though.

[Peter_Spaeth]

18K (and counting) for a Fisk rookie???? :confused:
That you Bob? :D

[KCRfan1]

Fisk? Really?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Fisk? Really?

Yep. PWCC, ends tonight.

[Paul S]

PSA 8.5 RC closed at 10.5K a few days ago (PWCC).

[begsu1013]

18K (and counting) for a Fisk rookie???? :confused:
That you Bob? :D

nope.

did you see one fisk card in that pile?

i only own 1 fisk card and it's a signed one.

[Peter_Spaeth]

nope.

did you see one fisk card in that pile?

i only own 1 fisk card and it's a signed one.

Excellent.

[botn]

nope.

did you see one fisk card in that pile?

i only own 1 fisk card and it's a signed one.

There still might be time, no? Cecil Cooper was no slouch.

[begsu1013]

nope, i was focusing on centered, pre-70 hof rookies

and purposley steered clear from the yaz card as well

how did they turn out?

[Steve D]

$72,100 for a PSA 9 Nolan Ryan 1968 Topps last night.

Steve

[Peter_Spaeth]

Willie Stargell is having a very good year, though perhaps not as good as Roberto Pete or Nolan.


6/13/16 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions b***1 13 $1,724.00
6/8/16 eBay Auction | Image investinbaseball y***o 28 $1,275.00
6/6/16 eBay Listing | Image scorpion478 a***a BIN $1,300.00
5/29/16 eBay Listing | Image marino2mcduffe b***1 BIN $1,799.00
5/17/16 eBay Auction | Image consignmints y***o 35 $961.01
5/15/16 eBay Listing | Image mass35nyc c***b BIN $649.99
5/15/16 eBay Listing | Image vintageinvestments1 c***b BIN $675.00
5/8/16 Memory Lane Auction | Image 13 $684.00
5/6/16 eBay Listing | Image mace01 n***e Best Offer $525.00
4/19/16 eBay Listing | Image kjam6885 s***t BIN $425.00
2/10/16 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions m***m 32 $456.00
2/10/16 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions s***b 30 $455.00

[begsu1013]

i rest my case.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And Yaz!!
As Bobby says, woo hoo!!
For the first time in memory Levi may have left money on the table. :)

6/16/16 eBay Auction | Image lawmanrick c***c 17 $611.00
6/15/16 eBay Auction | Image scorpion478 y***o 26 $947.00
6/13/16 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions a***t 12 $710.00
6/7/16 eBay Auction | Image probstein123 a***t 31 $805.00
6/2/16 eBay Auction | Image prewarjohnny 0***0 35 $575.00
5/30/16 eBay Listing | Image www.707sportscards.com s***1 Best Offer $195.00
5/26/16 eBay Listing | Image wilkiescards n***o BIN $289.00
5/26/16 eBay Listing | Image vintagerookies n***o BIN $289.99
5/21/16 eBay Listing | Image ericthayer5011 n***o BIN $299.99
5/21/16 eBay Listing | Image vintagerookies n***o Best Offer $265.00
5/20/16 eBay Listing | Image fscards1 n***o BIN $294.85
5/19/16 eBay Listing | Image duncan300 n***o BIN $275.00
5/19/16 eBay Listing | Image www.707sportscards.com n***o Best Offer $270.00
5/18/16 eBay Auction | Image scarrillo3574 g***u 18 $230.01
5/15/16 eBay Listing | Image red-zone o***g BIN $275.00
5/15/16 eBay Listing | Image mass35nyc o***g BIN $359.99
5/15/16 eBay Listing | Image mace01 s***n BIN $399.99
5/15/16 eBay Listing | Image laforge_79 o***g BIN $399.99
5/12/16 eBay Auction | Image canadiancardman2016 k***b 26 $191.38
5/8/16 eBay Auction | Image tc.8787 t***s 18 $228.05
5/8/16 eBay Listing | Image bkarr-2012 o***9 Best Offer $175.00
5/8/16 eBay Auction | Image dominikhasek39 e***e 20 $281.00
5/2/16 eBay Auction | Image gregmorriscards 2***1 24 $231.00
5/1/16 eBay Listing | Image thecardboardinvestment e***t Best Offer $260.00

[Peter_Spaeth]

Let us not leave out Sandy in good old 6.
What a month we are having!!



6/12/16 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions i***t 57 $4,250.00
6/9/16 eBay Listing | Image vintagescards i***i BIN $2,295.00
6/8/16 eBay Listing | Image sltnofswatcolecter i***i BIN $3,995.00
6/8/16 eBay Listing | Image aviatorl1049 i***t BIN $3,395.00
5/29/16 eBay Listing | Image lbauthentics b***1 BIN $1,650.00
5/23/16 eBay Listing | Image vintagescards t***l BIN $1,995.00
5/22/16 eBay Listing | Image earhart47 9***8 BIN $695.00
5/20/16 eBay Listing | Image drc0860 d***o BIN $900.00
5/19/16 eBay Listing | Image deans_cards g***d BIN $1,280.00
5/15/16 eBay Auction | Image billp2005321 c***1 2 $1,026.02
5/15/16 eBay Auction | Image just_collect d***o 39 $1,001.01
5/14/16 Heritage Auction | Image 18 $3,651.00
5/14/16 eBay Listing | Image tmdcards y***s BIN $1,200.00
5/10/16 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions n***l 30 $1,600.00
5/10/16 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions c***8 24 $705.00
5/2/16 eBay Listing | Image champssportcards i***n Best Offer $780.00

[begsu1013]

my only yaz card:

http://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/26029/24669277/60yaz4psadna.jpg



but resorting to these depths?

you're better than this, pete.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The half grade makes the difference. The PWCC-HE does too. In an 8, mid 1s maybe these days?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Topps-Frank-Robinson-ROOKIE-RC-35-PSA-8-5-NM-MT-PWCC-HE-/142012606684?hash=item21109c68dc%3Ag%3AJSIAAOSwMNx XUIWU&nma=true&si=ux4ltM50N8xgcXbzXTQRXBrSeoI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Topps-Frank-Robinson-ROOKIE-RC-35-PSA-8-5-NM-MT-PWCC-/141978382780?hash=item210e9231bc%3Ag%3A4aYAAOSwE6V XJkrw&nma=true&si=ux4ltM50N8xgcXbzXTQRXBrSeoI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[Peter_Spaeth]

Spinning wheel, got to go round. Sure miss those crazy days of a week ago. Probstein's Rose at 2850 was real nice too.

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA 7 - Average Price: $3,367.00


6/16/16 eBay Auction | Image probstein123 n***m 28 $2,850.00
6/15/16 eBay Auction | Image psalegends n***s 34 $3,383.00
6/15/16 eBay Auction | Image scorpion478 s***0 22 $2,936.00
6/14/16 eBay Auction | Image f1element d***d 15 $2,152.00
6/13/16 eBay Auction | Image pwcc_auctions s***o 26 $3,450.00
6/13/16 eBay Auction | Image slacksstore i***i 38 $4,417.00
6/12/16 eBay Auction | Image cardstocash1818 e***e 13 $4,938.00
6/8/16 eBay Auction | Image probstein123 o***h 36 $3,075.00
6/8/16 eBay Auction | Image investinbaseball o***h 40 $3,075.00
6/8/16 eBay Listing | Image muckamire i***i BIN $3,750.00
6/7/16 eBay Auction | Image probstein123 n***m 59 $3,605.55
6/6/16 eBay Auction | Image psalegends z***z 27 $2,725.00
6/5/16 eBay Auction | Image psalegends c***o 23 $3,383.33
6/5/16 eBay Auction | Image 71c10 t***g 33 $4,352.00
6/4/16 eBay Auction | Image rjohnson_eb y***o 2 $3,949.00
5/31/16 eBay Auction | Image long3263 s***n 24 $4,740.00

[Peter_Spaeth]

Not baseball but here's a "crazy price" -- was a less than 1K card in April.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-Basketball-Lew-Alcindor-ROOKIE-RC-25-PSA-7-NRMT-PWCC-/401134565454?hash=item5d657bb84e:g:V0wAAOSwqBJXWgL E

[begsu1013]

definitely up there, even for pwcc.

of course, I have always thought vintage basketball/football should get more play considering the considerably less print runs...

[begsu1013]

68 ryan 5 @ $1565!?!?! (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Topps-Nolan-Ryan-ROOKIE-RC-177-PSA-5-EX-PWCC-/401131149416?rmvSB=true&nma=true&si=Rr0ARTWzaZwPZtPebQ%252BmIVZSFgw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

considering it's a 5. good looking card, but slightest crease and it's zero chance of bumping.

consignor had to be thrilled at that price!

[Leon]

68 ryan 5 @ $1565!?!?! (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Topps-Nolan-Ryan-ROOKIE-RC-177-PSA-5-EX-PWCC-/401131149416?rmvSB=true&nma=true&si=Rr0ARTWzaZwPZtPebQ%252BmIVZSFgw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

considering it's a 5. good looking card, but slightest crease and it's zero chance of bumping.

consignor had to be thrilled at that price!

wow. I wouldn't doubt there are literally 1 million of those cards. That is a an astronomical price to me.

[pawpawdiv9]

That's it! I am consigning ALL my stuff to PWCC from now on.:eek:

[Republicaninmass]

68 topps are notoriously easy to find in HIGH grade, so maybe a million people want a Ryan rc? Wait make that one million and one.

[begsu1013]

vcp sales for past month just for depth perception at that price:

6/20/16 eBay Auction $430.99
6/16/16 eBay Listing $499.95
6/14/16 eBay Auction $1,559.54
6/10/16 eBay Auction $367.07
5/27/16 eBay Listing $349.00
5/22/16 eBay Auction $369.99
5/21/16 eBay Listing $499.99
5/20/16 eBay Listing $379.00

[Rookiemonster]

Mays psa 7 sold for 27,000 on eBay it just ended.

I was shocked by the 1977 Topps Walter Payton psa 10 . It sold for 8,100! Idk if this is a record but WOW.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Mays psa 7 sold for 27,000 on eBay it just ended.

I was shocked by the 1977 Topps Walter Payton psa 10 . It sold for 8,100! Idk if this is a record but WOW.


CMIZE wants to know what SMR is for those 2 cards as one of the many tools to value cards..


Whats also funny is that when a card goes crazy..its like the once 'crazy' BIN price thats been sitting there is the only thing stopping the bidding...there is another psa 7 1951 Bowman Mays listed for 29k...im sure a day ago, that guy would of taken 25k.......if the BIN was for 35k...maybe the bidding on the one that sold today goes to 30k is my point...

im guessing that BIN one for 29k will be sold very soon

[pokerplyr80]

That Ryan 5 doesn't make any sense. Hard to imagine two people mis-typed their snipes but you never know.

The Mays has been over due. It's been under-rated for a while in my opinion.

[Rookiemonster]

CMIZE wants to know what SMR is for those 2 cards as one of the many tools to value cards..


Whats also funny is that when a card goes crazy..its like the once 'crazy' BIN price thats been sitting there is the only thing stopping the bidding...there is another psa 7 1951 Bowman Mays listed for 29k...im sure a day ago, that guy would of taken 25k.......if the BIN was for 35k...maybe the bidding on the one that sold today goes to 30k is my point...

im guessing that BIN one for 29k will be sold very soon

Idk what the SMR is but your right on with your assessment. When things really started to pick up . I noticed all the low grade mays rookie were bought up on eBay.

[begsu1013]

crazy "asking" price. looks like even 4sc's trying to get in and asking triple:

koufax 5 @ $1800 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-TOPPS-123-SANDY-KOUFAX-RC-HOF-CENTERED-PSA-5-B2301577-004-/361619048189?hash=item54322cc6fd:g:u2wAAOSwEjFXcYp 6)

vcp avg = $625

6/12/16 eBay Auction $765.00
6/9/16 eBay Listing $1,095.00
5/29/16 eBay Auction $706.00
5/26/16 eBay Auction $710.00
5/25/16 eBay Listing $650.00
5/17/16 eBay Auction $580.00
5/13/16 eBay Auction $482.00
5/12/16 eBay Auction $521.00
5/11/16 eBay Listing $550.00
5/10/16 eBay Listing $524.99
5/8/16 eBay Auction $494.99
5/6/16 eBay Auction $759.00

[pokerplyr80]

For a crazy ask how about the SGC 6 51 Mantle up for 45k. I didn't bother to check VCP but I'm pretty sure that's 3 times the average as well, if not 3 times the all time high.

Edit: VCP AVG: 7157.25

[55koufax]

I bet the dude who got $28,900 on 5/7/16 is feelin' a wee bit queasy right now

1963 Topps #537 Rookie Stars Pete Rose RC PSA 9 MINT
Buying Large Collections Call Today
$148,954.00
14 bids
5d 9h left (Sunday, 4PM)
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[begsu1013]

interesting, alt. :)

[MetsBaseball1973]

For a crazy ask how about the SGC 6 51 Mantle up for 45k. I didn't bother to check VCP but I'm pretty sure that's 3 times the average as well, if not 3 times the all time high.

I don't think that price is that crazy at all. That SGC 6 is a pretty great example of that card, and in a grade that does not surface too often. Better than average centering with very sharp registration. I follow Mantle prices and the 7s are now $100,000 cards. A 6 for less than half the 7s seems reasonable.

[pokerplyr80]

I don't think that price is that crazy at all. That SGC 6 is a pretty great example of that card, and in a grade that does not surface too often. Better than average centering with very sharp registration. I follow Mantle prices and the 7s are now $100,000 cards. A 6 for less than half the 7s seems reasonable.

That seems unlikely. Two 8s sold recently in the 150-160 range and historically there is a big jump from 7 to 8. About 3x. That would put a 7 in the 50-60 range. Unless you're aware of some private sales I haven't heard about.

And even if you're right, that's for PSA, not SGC. In November last year an SGC 6 Mantle went for 7.7k. A PSA 6 Mantle closed a few days ago for 24k, I believe in a PWCC auction. 45k for an SGC seems like a stretch, even with the nice centering. That would be a 500% increase in 6 months.

[begsu1013]

has there been any credible psa 7 sales recently?

[pokerplyr80]

Not since the Nov. Heritage. 22k.

[begsu1013]

doesn't look like anything on a sgc 7 either.

i do think a private 8 was just done around 197.


still wonder what an avg psa 7 would fetch these days....

any thoughts?

[pokerplyr80]

It appears I was mistaken, 7s are being offered for 100k. Hard to keep up these days. My appologies.

[begsu1013]

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[pokerplyr80]

4sc again (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-TOPPS-177-NOLAN-RYAN-RC-HOF-CENTERED-PSA-8-B2301741-981-/361620331501?hash=item5432405bed:g:-iAAAOSwuzRXc9Pi)

Their prices are usually very reasonable. Can't blame them for trying to cash in on the craze.

[begsu1013]

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[mintonlyplz]

i think the 58 brown that they sold for $5k but just went for $17k a week later really sharpened thier corners!
You have to know when to hold 'em..

[pokerplyr80]

Anyone watching goodwin? Clemente and Koufax are about to shatter some records. Koufax especially.

[begsu1013]

link(s) please.


don't follow auction houses too much.

[pokerplyr80]

https://www.goodwinandco.com/mobile/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=33087

Thats the one everyone will be talking about tomorrow.

[begsu1013]

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[begsu1013]

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[pokerplyr80]

Yea after this one it will start attracting some more attention. Kaline probably will too.

And yea I'm sure the consignor is going nuts. I'm assuming that was a special auction just for that set. He probably had less into the whole lot than what the Koufax alone went for, if he had it for a while.

[Leon]

Yea after this one it will start attracting some more attention. Kaline probably will too.

And yea I'm sure the consignor is going nuts. I'm assuming that was a special auction just for that set. He probably had less into the whole lot than what the Koufax alone went for, if he had it for a while.

The Koufax went for many multiples of a what a nice vg '55 set would go for.

[irv]

https://www.goodwinandco.com/mobile/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=33087

Thats the one everyone will be talking about tomorrow.


Wow! Over $80,000! :eek:

[1952boyntoncollector]

The Koufax went for many multiples of a what a nice vg '55 set would go for.

what was SMR on the Koufax

[begsu1013]

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[irv]

https://www.goodwinandco.com/mobile/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=33087

Thats the one everyone will be talking about tomorrow.

Just trying to gauge here. If this 8 sold for just over $80,000 what would, assuming all things being equal, a 9 then a 10 go for?

[ullmandds]

Goodwin typically brings very strong prices. No evidence of Shilling im aware of...but I have always been skeptical(surprise surprse)!

QUOTE=begsu1013;1556897]i don't know much about goodwin auctions*,

but what is the consensus on his reputability?

things like shilling, are they trustworthy, dubious past or anything?

trying to gauge the validity of this one...






* i bought my 51b signed mantle in an auction a while back. first and last time i ever logged on to his site. i never follow/bid in private auction houses.[/QUOTE]

[Eric72]

$80,000 for an 8. The "new normal" is insane.

[pawpawdiv9]

Hot potato!!
Someone hurry up and buy that 7 in the BST for 7k, its nice!!!
I cant believe the insanity.

[irv]

Hot potato!!
Someone hurry up and buy that 7 in the BST for 7k, its nice!!!
I cant believe the insanity.

Considering what the 8 got, I'd say it's a deal as well.

[pokerplyr80]

i don't know much about goodwin auctions*,

but what is the consensus on his reputability?

things like shilling, are they trustworthy, dubious past or anything?

trying to gauge the validity of this one...






* i bought my 51b signed mantle in an auction a while back. first and last time i ever logged on to his site. i never follow/bid in private auction houses.

Bill is a member here and has discussed a couple of other auctions that ended with what seemed like crazy prices at the time. I've had a couple of conversations with him but don't know him personally. I have no reason to doubt his credibility or the validity of his auctions.

Whether or not 80k will be the new standard for a centered 8 Koufax remains to be seen, but that's a lot more than I would have guessed even in today's market.

[botn]

I don't think that price is that crazy at all. That SGC 6 is a pretty great example of that card, and in a grade that does not surface too often. Better than average centering with very sharp registration. I follow Mantle prices and the 7s are now $100,000 cards. A 6 for less than half the 7s seems reasonable.

Looks like 6s came down a touch. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-Mickey-Mantle-ROOKIE-RC-253-PSA-6-EXMT-PWCC-/401158462891?hash=item5d66e85dab%3Ag%3A-WAAAOSwhMFXkqDO&nma=true&si=lkBJIp8jy%252B%252BniIHCVcXXr0Cbgks%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Not sure the winner of the SGC 6 is feeling the price he paid was too reasonable, now. Can you say MARKET CORRECTION?

[MetsBaseball1973]

I dunno. That was a pretty lo-end 6. Had a stain on back and very poor focus and centering. The NY symbol on the cap is so blurry. The 7 PWCC has up is even uglier IMHO. If these were prettier cards I think the prices would be very different.

[begsu1013]

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[1952boyntoncollector]

agreed on that 7. oc and horrible registration.

i think $48k was a pretty decent price for it actually.

plus historically, prices tend to dip before the national

let alone week of.

edit: and looks like it more than doubled the last vcp price.


Not sure why prices would dip before the National...the prices at the National are usually not competitive with comparable cards on ebay...no reason to wait to go the National to pay more (assuming same looking card etc is on ebay)

[rats60]

https://www.goodwinandco.com/mobile/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=33087

Thats the one everyone will be talking about tomorrow.

PSA 8 Koufax rookie sold for 18k last night on Ebay/PWCC. Is the hype dying down or have we been seeing false sales?

[ullmandds]

PSA 8 Koufax rookie sold for 18k last night on Ebay/PWCC. Is the hype dying down or have we been seeing false sales?

hype? for overproduced 50's-60's HOF'ers??????????

it appears quite obvious what has been going on here...open your eyes folks!

[botn]

PSA 8 Koufax rookie sold for 18k last night on Ebay/PWCC. Is the hype dying down or have we been seeing false sales?

Some might tell you this 8 was not centered well or was a low end example but I will stick to my conclusion, which is a market correction and let the dreamers dream and the spinners spin. Very clear what is taking place. It was clear when this game began where things would end up.

[Neal]

hype? for overproduced 50's-60's HOF'ers??????????

it appears quite obvious what has been going on here...open your eyes folks!

disagree on "overproduced" .....

kinda sorta agree on the other part

[ullmandds]

disagree on "overproduced" .....

kinda sorta agree on the other part

fair enough...i retract the "overproduced" comment...how about common?

[1961 Fleer Guy]

Last night PWCC auctioned off a 1969 Lew Alcinder (R) in PSA 9. The population for this card in PSA 9 is 18. The price guide says the card is worth $17,500. The card sold for over $73,000. Does this qualify for crazy price?

[irv]

PSA 8 Koufax rookie sold for 18k last night on Ebay/PWCC. Is the hype dying down or have we been seeing false sales?

I posted one that sold for $80,600 then another 8 that sold for $23,000, and now this one sells for $18,000. Hard to say with 100% certainty, but I'd say things are either bursting or we're in a correction period at the moment?

I have also been watching some Mantles, (and others) as of late and it could just be me, but I also believe they are not fetching what they once were just a short time ago?

Last night PWCC auctioned off a 1969 Lew Alcinder (R) in PSA 9. The population for this card in PSA 9 is 18. The price guide says the card is worth $17,500. The card sold for over $73,000. Does this qualify for crazy price?

Just a guess, but this may have to do with the fact that Basketball cards are far more scarce/rare than what baseball cards are?

With most collectibles such as coins, art, stamps, comic books, etc, etc, their prices are based on rarity rather than popularity imo. Maybe this is what is now happening in the card market too? :confused:

[MetsBaseball1973]

I posted one that sold for $80,600 then another 8 that sold for $23,000, and now this one sells for $18,000. Hard to say with 100% certainty, but I'd say things are either bursting or we're in a correction period at the moment?

I have also been watching some Mantles, (and others) as of late and it could just be me, but I also believe they are not fetching what they once were just a short time ago?



Just a guess, but this may have to do with the fact that Basketball cards are far more scarce/rare than what baseball cards are?

With most collectibles such as coins, art, stamps, comic books, etc, etc, their prices are based on rarity rather than popularity imo. Maybe this is what is now happening in the card market too? :confused:

Three Mantles I was watching (just checked to be sure, a PSA 7 '56, a PSA 7 '59, and a PSA 9 '69) all sold the other day in line with the highs. All were really nice looking cards. I had a little war chest to spend but lost on the first two. Congrats to whoever won them.

[irv]

Several PWCC Mantles (just checked to be sure, the PSA 7 '56, the PSA 7 '59, and the PSA 9 '69) all sold the other day in line with the highs. All were really nice looking cards. I had a little war chest to spent but lost on the first two. Congrats to whoever won them.

I was watching the PWCC ones, and although the final prices were decent, I suspected, considering the current price craze we are/were all experiencing, that they would sell for a lot more, or at least be on pace with what we have been seeing as of late?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-Mickey-Mantle-311-PSA-1-PR-PWCC-/401158462995?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=nj1NZDrrTI7LiNFH0%252BPMeU2iHPo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-Mickey-Mantle-311-PSA-4-VGEX-PWCC-/401158462996?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=nj1NZDrrTI7LiNFH0%252BPMeU2iHPo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

[MetsBaseball1973]

That PSA 1 of that 311 was on target with expectation, I thought nine to ten thousand, a little over the average on VCP.

That PSA 4 actually is a record high on VCP, about 10,000 smackers over the prior sale. Strong I think with the card being accurate to grade but not like anything special.

[irv]

That PSA 1 of that 311 was on target with expectation, I thought nine to ten thousand, a little over the average on VCP.

That PSA 4 actually is a record high on VCP, about 10,000 smackers over the prior sale. Strong I think with the card being accurate to grade but not like anything special.

I just thought, based on what we have seen lately with the current, (or maybe now corrected?) price craze, it would have sold for a lot higher?
This one sold over a year ago for not a lot less.
http://www.goodwinandco.com/1952_topps_mickey_mantle__311_psa_4_vg_ex-lot30283.aspx

I have noticed PSA 1's stay fairly consistent or with relatively small increases from time to time.

[MetsBaseball1973]

I guess it all depends on each person's expectations. For me, I see great cards for the grade ticking up steady with random spikes here and there, and so-so cards leveling off.

Forgot that Goodwin has a 4.5 SGC of the 311 that is already at 50,000. And there was the PSA 4 dead center that sold for 67,000. Month ago maybe?
Agree the ones have remained kinda steady as of late. I hope to get a one at 8500 cash maybe soon.

[begsu1013]

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[1952boyntoncollector]

do your research. they always drop...

the only better buying opportunity that i have noticed is for auctions scheduled to close on superbowl sunday.

but i doubt the fact that koufax and clemente prices are not tripling anymore (how could they), that the entire rc hof bubble is bursting. as stated, a weak mantle 7 more than doubled.

i do anxiously await the day that the entire buying group/bubble bursting run is over though.

It appears the prices havent dipped though with the Mantles and other cards cited above at least nothing noticeable...sgc 4.5 mantle already at 50k etc...wheres the dip on the cards that shape the market..

[bobbyw8469]

I posted one that sold for $80,600 then another 8 that sold for $23,000, and now this one sells for $18,000. Hard to say with 100% certainty, but I'd say things are either bursting or we're in a correction period at the moment?


LOL....is this a correction period, or just a simple case of one month of sales from a small group of buyers trying to "pump up" the market that had no legs? I mean, $80,000 for a PSA 8 when, just this past February, this was an $8,000 card???

[1952boyntoncollector]

LOL....is this a correction period, or just a simple case of one month of sales from a small group of buyers trying to "pump up" the market that had no legs? I mean, $80,000 for a PSA 8 when, just this past February, this was an $8,000 card???

i have a feeling that 80k never changed hands on that card.

[begsu1013]

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[1952boyntoncollector]

i would have to concur that as well.

but again on the price dips, do your own research.

if you dont think prices dip w all the dealers traveling, folks saving coupled w several other factors....well then, ok.

just looking at the last pwcc auction i see zero dip compared to the auction a month earlier when looking at the 50s rookie cards etc...auctions usually go for more than the 3-5 days than the National takes place so i really dont see it impacting AHs like Golden, Heritage, mile high, which i doubt have auctions that close exactly on the weekend of the National but who knows...

[irv]

LOL....is this a correction period, or just a simple case of one month of sales from a small group of buyers trying to "pump up" the market that had no legs? I mean, $80,000 for a PSA 8 when, just this past February, this was an $8,000 card???

Good question, and I certainly don't know the answer as this is still all fairly new to me, as it turns out. :confused:

i have a feeling that 80k never changed hands on that card.

How is this so? Not doubting you at all, I just don't understand, especially since it was sold through an A/H, how money was not exchanged when they list it as sold on their website?? :confused:

i would have to concur that as well.

but again on the price dips, do your own research.

if you dont think prices dip w all the dealers traveling, folks saving coupled w several other factors....well then, ok.

Not sure I understand what you are saying?

Since joining this site back in January, I have done my best to try and understand the hobby, learn as much as I can, but I see I still have a long ways to go! :eek:

From reading about PSA and how they got started (Trimmed Wagner) to Maestro, battlefield on E-Bay and lots of other shenanigans in the hobby, I will say I am somewhat disheartened by what I am finding out on a regular, almost daily basis.

When I got back into this hobby (was never into like most on here to begin with) I was like a big kid again filled with excitement and enthusiasm to try and get caught back up but the more I find out about the hobby, (the ugly side of it I guess?) the less enthused I become. :(

[MattyC]

but the more I find out about the hobby, (the ugly side of it I guess?) the less enthused I become. :(

I say the same to myself about the human race, from time to time.

It is all in what we choose to hang the lantern on, so to speak.

To a collector, a baseball card is intrinsically a happy, positive thing. So if you're a collector at heart and keep it all about the cards, and tune out the superfluous and the toxic, you'll find the cards make you very happy.

[irv]

I say the same to myself about the human race, from time to time.

It is all in what we choose to hang the lantern on, so to speak.

To a collector, a baseball card is intrinsically a happy, positive thing. So if you're a collector at heart and keep it all about the cards, and tune out the superfluous and the toxic, you'll find the cards make you very happy.

I do too, and far to often, sadly!

I guess I was naive thinking that with baseball cards there would be some sort of childhood innocence/honesty with regards to the hobby, but when money is involved, especially big money, I should have known better and not been so blind with my thinking.

Thanks for the advice! :)

[1952boyntoncollector]

I do too, and far to often, sadly!

I guess I was naive thinking that with baseball cards there would be some sort of childhood innocence/honesty with regards to the hobby, but when money is involved, especially big money, I should have known better and not been so blind with my thinking.

Thanks for the advice! :)

not sure how you would think there is innocence/honest when it comes to big money for cards. I not sure what other experiences you have had where there was innocence when it comes to big money, ie. politics, drug companies, etc..

[begsu1013]

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[irv]

I know it's a 9 but considering the plummet the 8 did recently, is anyone surprised by this?
http://sports.ha.com/itm/1955-topps-sandy-koufax-rookie-123-psa-mint-9/a/7160-80016.s?ic3=ViewItem-Auction-Open-BrowseSearchResults-120115&lotPosition=18

[glynparson]

No, I am not surprised a 9 is far tougher than 8. Do i think its high yes. But i am not surprised. When a correction occurs i expect most items to fall but still be considerably higher to higher than pre boom levels.

[irv]

No, I am not surprised a 9 is far tougher than 8. Do i think its high yes. But i am not surprised. When a correction occurs i expect most items to fall but still be considerably higher to higher than pre boom levels.

I know my experience in this game is not even in the same league as most on here, but in all honesty, I thought that was quite high, even for a 9, considering what the recent 8's settled for.

It sounds like there are 3 graded 10 PSA's out there, (at time of article) any idea how many 9's? (I don't know how to find the info?)
http://www.justcollect.com/blog/sandy-koufax-rookie-card-graded-psa-10/

[1952boyntoncollector]

I know my experience in this game is not even in the same league as most on here, but in all honesty, I thought that was quite high, even for a 9, considering what the recent 8's settled for.

It sounds like there are 3 graded 10 PSA's out there, (at time of article) any idea how many 9's? (I don't know how to find the info?)
http://www.justcollect.com/blog/sandy-koufax-rookie-card-graded-psa-10/

i dont think you can compare 8s with 9s......its not like comparing 3s with 4s or 4's with 5s...........really nothing to compare as the value grows exponentially from 8 to 9..

[irv]

I don't think you can compare 8s with 9s......its not like comparing 3s with 4s or 4's with 5s...........really nothing to compare as the value grows exponentially from 8 to 9..

I am finding that out! :eek:

[MattyC]

"Nothing to compare," except if you're a picky buyer, and the 8 is a better card than the 9.

[1952boyntoncollector]

"Nothing to compare," except if you're a picky buyer, and the 8 is a better card than the 9.

Until that picky buyer pays for an 8 within 30k or whatever is remotely close of what that worse 9 goes for from this date on, yes there is nothing to compare......talk is cheap, when people have to put money where their mouth suddenly they dont pony up..

[MattyC]

I've done it on multiple occasions. And you sadly miss the point entirely.

It may shock an apparent grade whore like you, who myopically focuses only on price tag and sticker, but some of us collectors will actually see a card that we wouldn't spend a penny on-- despite the fact that someone else will spend a ton on that very same card.

I have passed on PSA 9s, choosing not to spend a penny on them, and instead chose to shatter VCP history for PSA 8s of the same card-- because, to my eye, the PSA 9 had major eye appeal flaws, and the PSA 8 struck my eye as the better card. I have nothing against a high grade card; in fact, I like them-- when the card itself merits the grade.

If you do not understand that, as a buyer, you can compare 8s and 9s, or 9s and 10s, or a 5 and a 9, then you don't collect cards.

[1952boyntoncollector]

I've done it on multiple occasions. And you sadly miss the point entirely.

It may shock an apparent grade whore like you, who myopically focuses only on price tag and sticker, but some of us collectors will actually see a card that we wouldn't spend a penny on-- despite the fact that someone else will spend a ton on that very same card.

I have passed on PSA 9s, choosing not to spend a penny on them, and instead chose to shatter VCP history for PSA 8s of the same card-- because, to my eye, the PSA 9 had major eye appeal flaws, and the PSA 8 struck my eye as the better card. I have nothing against a high grade card; in fact, I like them-- when the card itself merits the grade.

If you do not understand that, as a buyer, you can compare 8s and 9s, or 9s and 10s, or a 5 and a 9, then you don't collect cards.


we have gone through this grade argument before.. and i know your philosophy and you have terrific cards.....

let me see you pay 125k for a psa 8 koufax than we can talk...this thread is about the koufax....i dont care how great looking the card is..if its an 8 you, MattyC arent going to pay 125k..until you do, theres really nothing to argue about...talk is very cheap....

its one thing when its a few k..even tens of k difference..but thats not the case with this koufax

people sell the holder not the card..... someday we may see in a auction listing 'bad example for the grade' let me know when that happens too

[pokerplyr80]

I don't think Matt is suggesting a nice 8 Koufax will outsell a flawed 9. Just that you can compare an 8 to a 9 and decide the 8 is the better card. I agree that I would rather step up and break a VCP record for a dead centered lower grade card with nice eye appeal than find a bargain priced card a grade or two higher with centering or tilt issues, or another flaw like a print defect or registration issue.

[1952boyntoncollector]

I don't think Matt is suggesting a nice 8 Koufax will outsell a flawed 9. Just that you can compare an 8 to a 9 and decide the 8 is the better card. I agree that I would rather step up and break a VCP record for a dead centered lower grade card with nice eye appeal than find a bargain priced card a grade or two higher with centering or tilt issues, or another flaw like a print defect or registration issue.

Well than i dont know his point...my point is that a 9 will destroy an 8 in price and you cant compare what a 8 sells for versus a 9 because thats a grand canyon with exponential difference unlike 5s versus 6s. This thread was about given what 8s sell for versus a 9 and if the prices are related.. My point was it makes no sense to compare the two when someone wont pay for an 8 even remotely close to what a current 9 Koufax will sell for

The best 8 ever in the world (never attempted to be bumped) wont come remotely close to price at the current time as the 9 for sale at Heritage. No mater what faults you have with that 9. If people truly buy the card and are not buying the holder than that would not be the case.. Yes i have paid a PSA 4 price for a PSA 3 card if it involves 200 bucks etc. Nobody going to do that involving 100k etc.

[Stonepony]

Grade whore?:eek::eek:LOL

[Mdmtx]

I used to know a great whore. Long time ago. :D:D

[ls7plus]

I understand acquiring the best card you can with the resources you have but it just seems crazy to pay 100x more than what this card cost, for the same card with just a little less wear.

+1 there--buy the card, not the holder! These new investor types seem to know just enough to be dangerous.

Best to all,

Larry

[ls7plus]

This really has the feel of a price bubble that is driven by speculation. I don't see how this can continue. I'm afraid someone is going to end up feeling foolish.

It won't continue. Prices don't advance in the manner we've been seeing in a true collector's market. The investors will by and large eventually pick up and leave, with the smartest of them selling for a nice profit, and the others scrambling to break even or worse. The market for the limited focus items they drove up will then descend to what a legitimate collector, in the hobby for the long run, would pay for the items. Same thing has happened repeatedly in coins, and within the last decade or so, in the field of classic car collecting. The good thing is that some of them will indeed like what they've bought, weather their losses, and stay and learn more about this wonderful hobby. On the plus side, it is a good time for knowledgeable collectors to sell what the investor types are buying!

Best wishes,

Larry

[botn]

I don't think that price is that crazy at all. That SGC 6 is a pretty great example of that card, and in a grade that does not surface too often. Better than average centering with very sharp registration. I follow Mantle prices and the 7s are now $100,000 cards. A 6 for less than half the 7s seems reasonable.

If 45K is not a crazy price than what does that make this one? https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-cards/singles-1950-1959-/1951-bowman-mickey-mantle-rookie-253-sgc-84-nm-7/a/7160-80165.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013

[Canofcorn]

As the owner of a centered SGC 4 #311, I'm estatic to see this one at $42k...$50k with the buyers premium. Pretty nuts.
Admittedly that one is nicer but still happy to see that

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-cards/singles-1950-1959-/1952-topps-mickey-mantle-311-sgc-50-vg-ex-4/a/7160-80167.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013

[pokerplyr80]

The heritage Mantle has great color and top 5% or so centering. I am not surprised at all at the price and wouldn't be surprised to see it go up another bid or two. As for the 51, between the SGC 7 on heritage and the psa 6 and 7 coming up at pwcc we will have a good idea where those are at.