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smotan_02
05-15-2016, 03:12 PM
was curious if someone could help with authenticity and value of these stubs?

I'm not sure what to offer and I get nervous about reprints of early WS stubs.

Scott Garner
05-15-2016, 08:30 PM
was curious if someone could help with authenticity and value of these stubs?

I'm not sure what to offer and I get nervous about reprints of early WS stubs.

Scotty,
Without seeing the back of these tickets, they appear to be genuine to me.

smotan_02
05-15-2016, 11:25 PM
Scott- thanks for the reply. Here is the back.

Any thoughts on value? Thanks again.

Scott Garner
05-16-2016, 03:59 AM
Scotty,
Definitely genuine now that I have seen the backs of the ticket. The larger ticket would be preferred over the smaller stub.
The stub is to game 3 of the 1921 WS as all 3 of the 1st games were played at NY that year. Nothing huge happened historically as you can see in the retrosheet.org box score below. No guess as to value as I don't collect post season tickets, per se.
New York Giants 13, New York Yankees 5
Day

World Series Game 3 Played on Friday, October 7, 1921 (D) at Polo Grounds V
NY A 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 - 5 8 0
NY N 0 0 4 0 0 0 8 1 x - 13 20 0

BATTING
New York Yankees AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Miller cf 5 1 1 1 0 2 2 0
Peckinpaugh ss 3 1 0 0 1 0 4 2
Ruth lf 3 0 1 2 1 2 1 0
Fewster pr,lf 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Meusel rf 3 0 2 0 1 1 1 0
Pipp 1b 3 0 0 1 0 0 12 0
Ward 2b 4 0 2 1 0 1 1 5
McNally 3b 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 2
Schang c 2 1 1 0 1 0 2 2
DeVormer c 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
Shawkey p 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Quinn p 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 1
Collins p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Rogers p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Baker ph 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Totals 31 5 8 5 4 8 24 13

FIELDING -
DP: 2. Ward-Pipp, Quinn-Peckinpaugh-Pipp.

BATTING -
2B: Meusel (1,off Toney).
SH: Pipp (2,off Toney).
HBP: McNally (1,by Barnes).
Team LOB: 5.

BASERUNNING -
CS: Ruth (1,2nd base by Barnes/Snyder); Meusel (1,2nd base by Barnes/Snyder).

New York Giants AB R H RBI BB SO PO A
Burns cf 6 1 4 0 0 0 1 0
Bancroft ss 5 1 1 1 0 1 3 2
Frisch 3b 2 3 2 0 3 0 1 1
Youngs rf 3 2 2 4 2 0 0 1
Kelly 1b 3 1 0 1 2 1 7 1
Meusel lf 5 2 3 3 0 0 2 0
Rawlings 2b 5 0 2 3 0 1 3 5
Snyder c 5 1 4 1 0 0 9 2
Toney p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Barnes p 5 2 2 0 0 0 1 1
Totals 39 13 20 13 7 3 27 14

BATTING -
2B: Youngs (1,off Quinn); Meusel (1,off Quinn); Burns (1,off Rogers).
3B: Burns (1,off Quinn); Youngs (1,off Collins).
SH: Bancroft (1,off Collins).
GDP: Barnes (1,off Quinn).
Team LOB: 10.

BASERUNNING -
SB: Frisch (2,2nd base off Quinn/Schang); Burns (1,2nd base off Quinn/Schang);
Meusel (1,2nd base off Rogers/DeVormer).
CS: Snyder (1,2nd base by Shawkey/Schang); Rawlings (1,2nd base by Collins/Schang).

PITCHING
New York Yankees IP H R ER BB SO HR BFP
Shawkey 2.1 5 4 4 4 0 0 14
Quinn L(0-1) 3.2 8 4 4 2 2 0 20
Collins 0.2 4 4 4 1 0 0 6
Rogers 1.1 3 1 1 0 1 0 7
Totals 8 20 13 13 7 3 0 47

Quinn faced 5 batters in the 7th inning
Inherited Runners - Scored: Quinn 3-2; Collins 1-0; Rogers 1-0.
.

New York Giants IP H R ER BB SO HR BFP
Toney 2 4 4 4 2 1 0 12
Barnes W(1-0) 7 4 1 1 2 7 0 25
Totals 9 8 5 5 4 8 0 37

Toney faced 5 batters in the 3rd inning
WP: Barnes (1).
HBP: Barnes (1,McNally).
Inherited Runners - Scored: Barnes 2-1.
.

Umpires: HP - Ernie Quigley, 1B - Ollie Chill, 2B - Cy Rigler, 3B - George Moriarty

Time of Game: 2:40 Attendance: 36509

Starting Lineups:

New York Yankees New York Giants
1. Miller cf Burns cf
2. Peckinpaugh ss Bancroft ss
3. Ruth lf Frisch 3b
4. Meusel rf Youngs rf
5. Pipp 1b Kelly 1b
6. Ward 2b Meusel lf
7. McNally 3b Rawlings 2b
8. Schang c Snyder c
9. Shawkey p Toney p

YANKEES 1ST: Miller popped to third; Peckinpaugh grounded out
(second to first); Ruth struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.
Yankees 0, Giants 0.

GIANTS 1ST: Burns flied out to right; Bancroft grounded out
(second to first); Frisch singled to right; Youngs walked
[Frisch to second]; Kelly grounded out (third to first); 0 R, 1
H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Yankees 0, Giants 0.

YANKEES 2ND: Meusel doubled; Pipp out on a sacrifice bunt
(pitcher to first) [Meusel to third]; Ward reached on a
fielder's choice [Meusel out at home (second to catcher)];
McNally forced Ward (shortstop to second); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.
Yankees 0, Giants 0.

GIANTS 2ND: Meusel singled to right; Rawlings lined into a
double play (second to first) [Meusel out at first]; Snyder
singled to left; Snyder was caught stealing second (catcher to
shortstop); 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Yankees 0, Giants 0.

YANKEES 3RD: Schang walked; Shawkey singled to right [Schang to
second]; Miller singled to right [Schang scored, Shawkey to
second]; Peckinpaugh walked [Shawkey to third, Miller to
second]; Ruth singled to center [Shawkey scored, Miller scored,
Peckinpaugh to third]; BARNES REPLACED TONEY (PITCHING); Ruth
was caught stealing second (catcher to second); Meusel walked;
Pipp grounded out (second to first) [Peckinpaugh scored, Meusel
to second]; Ward struck out; 4 R, 3 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Yankees 4,
Giants 0.

GIANTS 3RD: Barnes singled to left; Burns flied out to center;
Bancroft singled to right [Barnes to second]; Frisch walked
[Barnes to third, Bancroft to second]; Youngs walked [Barnes
scored, Bancroft to third, Frisch to second]; Kelly walked
[Bancroft scored, Frisch to third, Youngs to second]; QUINN
REPLACED SHAWKEY (PITCHING); Meusel grounded out (first
unassisted) [Frisch scored, Youngs to third, Kelly to second];
Rawlings singled to shortstop [Youngs scored, Kelly to third];
Snyder popped to first in foul territory; 4 R, 3 H, 0 E, 2 LOB.
Yankees 4, Giants 4.

YANKEES 4TH: McNally was hit by a pitch; Schang singled to right
[McNally to third, Schang out at second (right to shortstop)];
Quinn struck out; Miller struck out; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.
Yankees 4, Giants 4.

GIANTS 4TH: Barnes grounded out (second to first); Burns tripled
to right; Bancroft struck out; Frisch walked; Frisch stole
second; Youngs grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E,
2 LOB. Yankees 4, Giants 4.

YANKEES 5TH: Peckinpaugh flied out to left; Ruth struck out;
Meusel singled to left; Meusel was caught stealing second
(catcher to shortstop); 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Yankees 4, Giants
4.

GIANTS 5TH: Kelly struck out; Meusel flied out to center;
Rawlings grounded out (third to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB.
Yankees 4, Giants 4.

YANKEES 6TH: Pipp grounded out (first to pitcher); Ward singled
to right; McNally struck out; Schang popped to second; 0 R, 1 H,
0 E, 1 LOB. Yankees 4, Giants 4.

GIANTS 6TH: Snyder singled to right; Barnes grounded into a
double play (pitcher to shortstop to first) [Snyder out at
second]; Burns singled to left; Burns stole second; Bancroft
grounded out (second to first); 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Yankees
4, Giants 4.

YANKEES 7TH: Quinn flied out to center; Miller struck out;
Peckinpaugh grounded out (shortstop to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0
LOB. Yankees 4, Giants 4.

GIANTS 7TH: Frisch singled to center; Youngs doubled to right
[Frisch to third]; Kelly walked; Meusel doubled to right [Frisch
scored, Youngs scored, Kelly to third]; Rawlings singled to
center [Kelly scored, Meusel scored]; COLLINS REPLACED QUINN
(PITCHING); Rawlings was caught stealing second (catcher to
shortstop); Snyder singled to center; Barnes singled to left
[Snyder to second]; Burns singled to center [Snyder to third,
Barnes to second]; Bancroft out on a sacrifice fly (left
unassisted) [Snyder scored]; Frisch walked [Barnes to third,
Burns to second]; Youngs tripled to center [Barnes scored, Burns
scored, Frisch scored]; ROGERS REPLACED COLLINS (PITCHING);
Kelly grounded out (pitcher to first); 8 R, 8 H, 0 E, 1 LOB.
Yankees 4, Giants 12.

YANKEES 8TH: Ruth walked; FEWSTER RAN FOR RUTH; Barnes threw a
wild pitch [Fewster to second]; Meusel struck out; Pipp grounded
out (pitcher to first) [Fewster to third]; Ward singled to
center [Fewster scored]; McNally forced Ward (second to
shortstop); 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Yankees 5, Giants 12.

GIANTS 8TH: FEWSTER STAYED IN GAME (PLAYING LF); DEVORMER
REPLACED SCHANG (PLAYING C ); Meusel singled to center; Meusel
stole second; Rawlings struck out; Snyder singled to left
[Meusel scored]; Barnes popped to shortstop; Burns doubled to
left [Snyder to third]; Bancroft grounded out (second to first);
1 R, 3 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Yankees 5, Giants 13.

YANKEES 9TH: DeVormer grounded out (second to first); BAKER
BATTED FOR ROGERS; Baker flied out to left; Miller grounded out
(third to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Yankees 5, Giants 13.

Final Totals R H E LOB
Yankees 5 8 0 5
Giants 13 20 0 10

smotan_02
05-16-2016, 05:21 AM
Thanks Scott- I really do appreciate it. I'm curious how you know based on the back picture. I can usually tell through touch and smell- but haven't figured it out by picture alone yet....especially baseball.

Scott Garner
05-17-2016, 10:18 PM
Scotty,
Everything looks to be the way it should.
Front, back, expected vintage feel.
No reason to fake this ticket because it doesn't represent anything hugely historic. All common sense stuff, really...