PSA 7 Koufax now a 3K card??

[Peter_Spaeth]

I am speechless, truly. I couldn't give one away for 1750 a few months ago.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-Sandy-Koufax-ROOKIE-RC-123-PSA-7-NRMT-PWCC-/351721570183?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=ux4ltM50N8xgcXbzXTQRXBrSeoI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

[Leon]

Several bidders above the current threshold for 7s...

I am speechless, truly. I couldn't give one away for 1750 a few months ago.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-Sandy-Koufax-ROOKIE-RC-123-PSA-7-NRMT-PWCC-/351721570183?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=ux4ltM50N8xgcXbzXTQRXBrSeoI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

[begsu1013]

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[pokerplyr80]

I think the threshold is actually closer to 4k now. That one probably stayed "low" due to centering.

[Peter_Spaeth]

There are 760 7s according to the pop report.

[begsu1013]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

answer the question peter!

What question? Oh I see. No, I did end up selling and centering was decent but not perfect.

[begsu1013]

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[Exhibitman]

There are 760 7s according to the pop report.

Whoa, that is a lot of them. I don't think I will pony up with that many out there.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Correction. Now a 6K card. Damn that competition.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-123-Sandy-Koufax-RC-PSA-7-Centered-Blazer-/121994896703?hash=item1c6776653f:g:aNoAAOSw7ehXQoT W

[KCRfan1]

Any thoughts on a trickle down theory to a price increase for additional years of Koufax?

[pokerplyr80]

Any thoughts on a trickle down theory to a price increase for additional years of Koufax?

If these new price levels hold my guess is it will but not to the same degree. The type of collectors or investors pushing these high grade cards don't seem to have much interest in low grade stuff. But as some get price out of one grade competition for the next grade will go up.

[KCRfan1]

But is this only applicable to rookie cards, or are these " investors " looking at other years as well?

It seems to me they are only buying a GRADE, and not the card. Most of us know that not all 9's are created equal. And 8's certainly aren't.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't see it affecting other years much, it's about rookie cards, except maybe for Mantle and marquee isecond year issues such as 52 Topps Mays. But who knows.

[bobsbbcards]

I have a buddy that's been pestering me to upgrade my Koufax 7 to an 8 for the last couple of years. Maybe the price increases will shut him up:

http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1955/1955topps/55Topps123Koufax.jpg

[KCRfan1]

Nothing wrong with that 7.

Just buying a grade after that.....

[bobsbbcards]

Just buying a grade after that.....
Amen, brother. :)

[jmb]

I don't see it affecting other years much, it's about rookie cards, except maybe for Mantle and marquee isecond year issues such as 52 Topps Mays. But who knows.

Just checked ebay and maybe this is interesting and maybe it isn't, but EIGHT high grade Mantle's were binned in the span of 15 minutes this afternoon. I don't know how to check the winning ID on a bin though.

[begsu1013]

definitely interesting.

[pokerplyr80]

Just checked ebay and maybe this is interesting and maybe it isn't, but EIGHT high grade Mantle's were binned in the span of 15 minutes this afternoon. I don't know how to check the winning ID on a bin though.

What years?

[jmb]

1969 psa8 $1750 @13:27
1960 psa8 $3195 @13:29
1961 psa8 $2995 @13:30
1959 psa8 $5500 @13:31
1966 psa8 $1750 @13:37
1964 psa8 $2250 @13:39
1966 psa8.5 $5500 @13:42
1959 psa7.5 $2595 @13:46

[begsu1013]

so what's the consensus on these?

[pokerplyr80]

so what's the consensus on these?

My thought is it was only a matter of time before the nice Mantles started jumping given the activity in the rookie card market. Probably the same guy buying them all. Whether he just believed they were under valued, or the alleged buying group is about to pump up the Mantles and they're stocking up first (hi peter) could be up for debate. Either way I take it as a sign that Mantles will be going up soon.

[begsu1013]

still baffles me how someone was able to spot this!


great job.




edit:


im gonna go out on a limb and say they were all legit purchases though.

and doubt it's a buying group.

[Exhibitman]

I already see the trickle down effect. Those mantle prices put guys like me out of the market for higher end holders so we downshift to nice midgrade cards. Or even lower grade cards. Prices on these have gone up. Someone posted an ask for a psa 6 Kaline RC in the $500 thread. Six months ago maybe. But most of the recent sales on that have been in the $600-$700 range. That's a substantial increase and the trend is up.

[Jdoggs]

Mantle is the king of post war and I'm not surprised that many of his high grade cards in many of his years are being bought up.

[begsu1013]

mantle cards have always been popular and will remain in demand.

i personally don't think it's weird that someone bought up a bunch of nice ones and that there's absolutely no conspiracy here.

and still not convinced of some buying group out there. the prices that have gone up are completely across the board, on every level and cover every faucet of the sports cards arena. not just ryan, rose, clemente, koufax, etc.

it's bond/mcgwire tiff rcs, 86-90ish fleer basketball cards and boxes, key rcs and short prints, just about any centered card, cards that break the grade (leon's robinson, the 52 mays), football and hockey cards, don't know about much modern but from briefly pursuing those sections the same explosive growth is happening there as well.

maybe people are noticing and crediting that it's a viable platform to park some money while having fun doing it. or maybe the hobby is simply just healthy. and of course if someone sells something and makes a bunch of extra $X....what's he probably gonna do w. a lot of that $X? hopefully save some of it but probably dump it right back into something else...

[Neal]

High grade Mantles have always been in demand. Interest rates are low, and people are scooping them up.

No conspiracy. No BS. No shenanigans. Collectors want Mantles. Has that ever NOT been the case?

[irv]

mantle cards have always been popular and will remain in demand.

i personally don't think it's weird that someone bought up a bunch of nice ones and that there's absolutely no conspiracy here.

and still not convinced of some buying group out there. the prices that have gone up are completely across the board, on every level and cover every faucet of the sports cards arena. not just ryan, rose, clemente, koufax, etc.

it's bond/mcgwire tiff rcs, 86-90ish fleer basketball cards and boxes, key rcs and short prints, just about any centered card, cards that break the grade (leon's robinson, the 52 mays), football and hockey cards, don't know about much modern but from briefly pursuing those sections the same explosive growth is happening there as well.

maybe people are noticing and crediting that it's a viable platform to park some money while having fun doing it. or maybe the hobby is simply just healthy. and of course if someone sells something and makes a bunch of extra $X....what's he probably gonna do w. a lot of that $X? hopefully save some of it but probably dump it right back into something else...

I've seen real high selling modern card rookies like patches etc come tumbling down.

Just notice a McKinnon patch, 1 of 5, that was sold for $4500 come tumbling down to below $400 recently on E-Bay.

I am not sure about vintage hockey, but I believe they have also, for the most part, seen some increases but not to the extent of baseball.

Forgot to keep watch, but how did you make out with you Gretzky RC?
See a PSA 10 is now, or is coming available, on Goldin.
It will be interesting to see how it pans out but I personally don't see that card being a 10.

[irv]

1969 psa8 $1750 @13:27
1960 psa8 $3195 @13:29
1961 psa8 $2995 @13:30
1959 psa8 $5500 @13:31
1966 psa8 $1750 @13:37
1964 psa8 $2250 @13:39
1966 psa8.5 $5500 @13:42
1959 psa7.5 $2595 @13:46

$25,500 in the span of 15 minutes! :eek:

[begsu1013]

yea, not too dialed in on modern/shiny stuff but have heard a ton of blurbs about the curry cards. maybe not so much on patches, but actual cards like refractors and chrome. even the base curry 10 shot up astronomically in a very short span of time and we aren't talking chrome or even shiny stuff. the base card.

i never saw how any of those patch cards seemed worth $4500 to begin w/ but to each their own. certainly cant knock what another collects. we all got our quirks.

and key hockey and football cards have taken off. the gretzky/orr rcs and look at what the bradshaw 9 did this past weekend! completely shocked on that one.

[Exhibitman]

What is new here is the breadth of postwar cards it has affected. Not just the Mantle-Mays-Aaron but lots of other players. I'm chasing after hockey and basketball cards I want now because I have a feeling they won't be relatively cheap for much longer, percentage-wise.

[jb217676]

These 3 cards are going for quite a bit these days, glad I grabbed these before the "BOOM"!

Recent sales in USD:
Orr $9000+
Gretzky $6000+
Lemieux $1000+

Classic rookie cards in all sports are really taking off!

[irv]

These 3 cards are going for quite a bit these days, glad I grabbed these before the "BOOM"!

Recent sales in USD:
Orr $9000+
Gretzky $6000+
Lemieux $1000+

Classic rookie cards in all sports are really taking off!

Great cards!

[begsu1013]

Classic rookie cards in all sports are really taking off!

almost like spitting venom these days. :D

and +1 on great cards!

[pokerplyr80]

These 3 cards are going for quite a bit these days, glad I grabbed these before the "BOOM"!

Recent sales in USD:
Orr $9000+
Gretzky $6000+
Lemieux $1000+

Classic rookie cards in all sports are really taking off!

I don't own any hockey cards, although I am getting one soon. Those are the only three I would be interested in. Awesome cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Very nice Orr.

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-123-Sandy-Koufax-Dodgers-RC-Rookie-HOF-PSA-7-SUPER-HOT-CARD-/361569351890?hash=item542f3678d2%3Ag%3Aj1QAAOSwQaJ XRLRQ&nma=true&si=ux4ltM50N8xgcXbzXTQRXBrSeoI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[pokerplyr80]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-123-Sandy-Koufax-Dodgers-RC-Rookie-HOF-PSA-7-SUPER-HOT-CARD-/361569351890?hash=item542f3678d2%3Ag%3Aj1QAAOSwQaJ XRLRQ&nma=true&si=ux4ltM50N8xgcXbzXTQRXBrSeoI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Definitely not a case of someone stepping up for a nice example. So does this mean a centered 7 is an 8-10k card?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Definitely not a case of someone stepping up for a nice example. So does this mean a centered 7 is an 8-10k card?

Sure, why not, which would be a 5-fold increase in about three months.

[Dpeck100]

The first 14 seconds sums it up in my book.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjCRWbvM4c

[begsu1013]

i love'em but leave it to old pessi pete! :D

[gomaz]

I am speechless, truly. I couldn't give one away for 1750 a few months ago.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-Sandy-Koufax-ROOKIE-RC-123-PSA-7-NRMT-PWCC-/351721570183?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=ux4ltM50N8xgcXbzXTQRXBrSeoI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

That was me. I bought that beauty. I felt at the time that I was overpaying but I needed (you know, the way we collectors "need" cards) to add a fairly nice copy to my HOF RC collection. To be honest I just didn't want to get outpriced on the 7's after seeing what's been happening to special cards over the last several months.

While I live by "buy the card, not the holder", in this case I was perhaps swayed slightly and just wanted to make sure I locked up a card worthy of a PSA 7 before it was too late.

Now a few weeks later it looks like I got in just in the nick of time so I am thankful for that as I was a month away from being priced out (assuming these new levels are permanent)

Here it is in my collection now :D

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/ebaygomaz/1%20-%20Personal%20Collection/6%20-%20Non-Hockey/Baseball/IMG_20160520_0002.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/user/ebaygomaz/media/1%20-%20Personal%20Collection/6%20-%20Non-Hockey/Baseball/IMG_20160520_0002.jpg.html)

[WillBBC]

Dang, I sold my PSA 6 about six weeks too soon! Such is life, it was worth it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182149812640?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[dzolot]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/182149812640?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


Is that a real price on the mays? If the mays is $15k, what's the mantle worth?!!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[pokerplyr80]

Is that a real price on the mays? If the mays is $15k, what's the mantle worth?!!!

I think its real, although more that I was prepared to go. An off centered 7 went for 18k recently on Heritage I believe. That was a close to dead centered as you'll probably find on that card in a 6.

A Mantle with rare centering like that went for over 19k in a 5 a while back. 6 centered? Who knows. 30k perhaps. I'd like to see one come up.

[ashes13]

1968 Bench PSA 8 is now in demand at $750 a card per the last two BINs on EBAY if they were legitimate sales.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Topps-247-COR-Johnny-Bench-Ron-impressed-the-Reds-PSA-8-Y3599-/401122855364?hash=item5d64c909c4:g:PucAAOSwboVXPGy b

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-TOPPS-247-JOHNNY-BENCH-ROOKIE-CARD-REDS-HOF-CENTERED-PERFECT-PSA-8-NM-MINT-/401129180820?hash=item5d65298e94:g:ah0AAOSw3ihXTMR A

[begsu1013]

one was listed by 4sc and scooped off their site directly as well.

was watching it and gone in less than an hour.

[KingFisk]

All right, I just upgraded my Drysdale rookie to a PSA 7. And....go! (hoping some of Sandy's magic rubs off on his old rotation mate).

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[ls7plus]

Whoa, that is a lot of them. I don't think I will pony up with that many out there.

Mark my words, Adam. These types of items will be cyclical over the long term for exactly the reason you have stated. They are at the price level they are simply because the hobby is growing by leaps and bounds re the number of collectors and the focus is on the key cards of the '50's and '60's. That focus will change over time, just as it has with coins and collectible cars. The number of examples in existence, once the focus does shift, will prevent linear appreciation, since demand will shift with it. When demand diminishes, so does the price with items that are not that difficult to find. Like coin cycles involving truly desirable items, while the value will trend downwards, it will likely remain above the level it was when this cycle began. Buy rare and significant in an area where the market is presently quiet, as coin collector John J. Pittman did. Pittman could never afford the true "trophy" type coins, but ended up with a collection that sold for between $30 and $40 million in the course of several auctions after his death in the '90's.

Happy collecting,

Larry

[Exhibitman]

Duly noted and logged.

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/collectorshowcase/large/Star%20Trek%20TOS%20Shatner.jpg

[begsu1013]

mantle cards have always been popular and will remain in demand.

i personally don't think it's weird that someone bought up a bunch of nice ones and that there's absolutely no conspiracy here.

and still not convinced of some buying group out there. the prices that have gone up are completely across the board, on every level and cover every faucet of the sports cards arena. not just ryan, rose, clemente, koufax, etc.

it's bond/mcgwire tiff rcs, 86-90ish fleer basketball cards and boxes, key rcs and short prints, just about any centered card, cards that break the grade (leon's robinson, the 52 mays), football and hockey cards, don't know about much modern but from briefly pursuing those sections the same explosive growth is happening there as well.

maybe people are noticing and crediting that it's a viable platform to park some money while having fun doing it. or maybe the hobby is simply just healthy. and of course if someone sells something and makes a bunch of extra $X....what's he probably gonna do w. a lot of that $X? hopefully save some of it but probably dump it right back into something else...

now go back and reread this thread pete. bread crumbs were certainly left everywhere and in every thread.

nothing but the truth was stated. i can assure you these cards wont be back up for sale anytime soon.

no one else bought them and they all were 100% legit sales...here they all are along w/ some that didn't get spotted:

****IMAGE POOF****


TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Nice cards Bob!!

[begsu1013]

cant believe the men on the grassy knoll shot princess di like that.

then had the audacity to fake their own moon landing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

cant believe the men on the grassy knoll shot princess di like that.

then had the audacity to fake their own moon landing.

Ignorance is bliss, but at least you're having fun. :D Carry on.

[begsu1013]

shocker.

more vague statements backed w/ zero proof or evidence of the malarkey he's spitting...

"the apple doesn't fall far from the tree"

"a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"

these make your claims completely true, right?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Neither a borrower nor a lender be.
Fourscore and seven years ago.
Able was I ere I saw Elba.

[begsu1013]

free beer tomorrow!