Beware dealing with njdunkin1 on the board.

[chaddurbin]

Just wasted an hour with this guy:

1. I lowered a card on a sales post to XXX. Guy pm'ed me to say he "thinks he'll take it" but can't get the funds 'til tonight and if I can hold it. I said sure send when you're ready.

2. then he wants to see a back scan, i complied and he says looks great he'll talk to his "business partner". then he says he'll only pay in regular paypal that's how he operates and if i will send the card priority mail...

3. i said reg pp is fine if he wants priority it's $5 extra. he comes back with he talked with his partner the card looks great if i'd take $20 less for it now (????). i told him no if he doesn't want it i'll just relist it.

4. next he says well he's buying for a friend the card again looks great but he really can only pay $10 less than what he originally agreed to buy it for....!!! suffice to say the card is back up for sale.

I expected this kind of behavior on Ebay or other kiddie forums but I guess these types are moving onto this board also. I'm gonna block him to be safe but ymmv with this guy, proceed with caution and expect after a deal to be struck he'll come back with 5 other conditions and lowball offers...

[njdunkin1]

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[Luke]

What about #2, #3, and #4? And why would you have him hold it if you weren't sure you could afford it? That doesn't sound very good.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bad form to try to lowball someone after agreeing to a price subject to being able to afford it especially after he already agreed to eat the PP fee unnecessarily and to ship priority. The court rules in Quan's favor.

Hey Quan, would you take $30 less? :)

[pokerplyr80]

Why ask someone to hold a card if you weren't sure you could pay for it? If 10 bucks creates an affordability issue perhaps you should save the money for necessities and shouldn't be buying cards at this time.

[quinnsryche]

Whoa whoa whoa, this is way outta bounds. In my initial message I said, as follows: "i think i will take it, may I just have a little bit to get my funds together? i should be ready by tonight." I checked and didn't have as much as I had thought to spend. I was straightforward but used a gentle tone, I thought we had resolved the situation. You could have just PM'ed me and let me know you weren't happy, no need to go and rant to the boards. Gosh, dude. Not cool.

Not a rant on his part, just letting everyone know how you do business. No one is going to have a problem with how he handled it, many will have a problem with how you did. You don't agree to a price and then try to make another deal for a discount. That's not cool. Quan is well respected here, you are unknown to most. Be very careful how you continue with this line of posting. Just a fair warning.
Tony

[Snapolit1]

Once you say hold it you've agreed to the price. If money is an issue don't ask someone to take a card off the table. Simple. This is a straightforward transaction, not a home or car purchase.

[D.P.Johnson]

"Talk with my business partner" = "Get permission from my wife".

"Can only pay you $10 less than we agreed upon" = "Wife said no."

[gnaz01]

not a rant on his part, just letting everyone know how you do business. No one is going to have a problem with how he handled it, many will have a problem with how you did. You don't agree to a price and then try to make another deal for a discount. That's not cool. Quan is well respected here, you are unknown to most. Be very careful how you continue with this line of posting. Just a fair warning.
Tony

+100

[bnorth]

"Talk with my business partner" = "Get permission from my wife".

"Can only pay you $10 less than we agreed upon" = "Wife said no."

His sig. line says: "I like chocolate milk, Andre the Giant, and HISTORY CLASS". So you might want to change Wife to MOM.;)

[gabrinus]

Agree with Tony and Greg...Jerry

[chaddurbin]

i would've been completely cool if he told me he couldn't come up with the fund and back out of the deal. i've had a board member back out of a 6k deal after weeks of waiting back in the day. this is totally different after a deal was struck this guy came back and tried to haggle some more, this is not a monetary issue. that's what i want to warn the board about..

[njdunkin1]

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[bcornell]

Gosh, dude. Not cool.

You mess with Quan, you'll wish you hadn't. We all know that.

[4815162342]

His sig. line says: "I like chocolate milk, Andre the Giant, and HISTORY CLASS". So you might want to change Wife to MOM.;)



Yeah, I'm guessing he's just a kid.

[njdunkin1]

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[njdunkin1]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Yeah, I'm guessing he's just a kid.

Yeah same here. Not that that is an excuse, but he's young and his apology sounded sincere and hopefully he learned a lesson.

[Sean1125]

Sorry for not showing my sorry face here earlier, got caught up in work. I had not realized the gravity of the mistake I made here, definitely was bigger than I had thought at the time. I apologize to everyone here on this forum, it was not my initial intention to back out of a deal (heck I didn't think I had to agreed to one in the first place. Boy was I wrong.) I will personally send OP an apology message. Please forgive my defensiveness, I don't want this to tarnish my possibility for future deals with anyone here. I will try to work things out with the OP so that amends can be made. And yes, my "business associate" is my little brother :) He and I are in cards together and we like to discuss major purchases before purchase with one another. I tip my hat to the Sherlocks in this thread :D
Best,
NJ

Mean what you say when you say it.

[njdunkin1]

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[Bruinsfan94]

Yeah same here. Not that that is an excuse, but he's young and his apology sounded sincere and hopefully he learned a lesson.

Yea I agree, seems like an honest mistake/apology.

[ullmandds]

Mean what you say when you say it.

its ok...you can recover just like sean did...just be a good person and be honest.

[xplainer]

I'll take the highroad too. Get right with the OP and learn from this.

Also, since you had to talk to your brother about this (you partner), both of you should consider how you did the OP. What if you two were selling the card, and someone did that to you? How would you two respond?

You are young. Lose, learn and move on. Grow from it.

[pokerplyr80]

I'm sure we've all made worst mistakes when we were young. I know I did. But just remember this is a relatively small hobby and an even smaller board. If you want to do business here or elsewhere in this hobby in the future you will want to protect your reputation and be honest at all times. It doesn't take much for word to get out that someone is not to be trusted.

[jlehma13]

Did a deal with NJ this afternoon and hope to do another in the future. Thanks NJ and enjoy the cards!

[ullmandds]

Did a deal with NJ this afternoon and hope to do another in the future. Thanks NJ and enjoy the cards!

it wasnt for a ben macdonald rookie was it?

[iwantitiwinit]

I didn't read this entire thread but starting out the dialogue with ..."I think i'll take it", really should be a warning sign right there.

[Bruinsfan94]

it wasnt for a ben macdonald rookie was it?

I have a few EX/MI if you need them. He's all the rage.

[ullmandds]

I have a few EX/MI if you need them. He's all the rage.

will you take a few dozen bernie williams rookies in tade?

[Jewish-collector]

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[frankbmd]

NJ,

From your handle I was thinking that donuts are your thing. I'll trade any day for an apple fritter. ;)

[Bruinsfan94]

will you take a few dozen bernie williams rookies in tade?

Nah this McDonald kid is 1000% can't miss gold.

[ullmandds]

Nah this McDonald kid is 1000% can't miss gold.

How about some near mint mint Phil plantiers?

[bnorth]

will you take a few dozen bernie williams rookies in tade?

I have a few dozen 89 Topps Mark Lewis cards I would trade for those Bernie Williams.:)

[ullmandds]

I have a few dozen 89 Topps Mark Lewis cards I would trade for those Bernie Williams.:)

sooooo tempting!!!!!

[iowadoc77]

Andre the Giant was the best.

What about Gregg Jeffries?
What about Pete Incaviglia?
What about Steve Avery?

You are doing the right thing by making this right, but you likely won't get another chance. Think of this as a gift because it is and learn from it.

[iowadoc77]

How about some near mint mint Phil plantiers?

I remember pack-searching for Phil Plantier with my little brother at Toys-R-Us. Great memories!

[gnaz01]

sooooo tempting!!!!!

I've got some Gem Mint 10's Todd Van Poppel and Brien Taylor rookies I can throw in..........:D

[njdunkin1]

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[Leon]

Every now and then some good bagel, cream cheese and lox can't be beat either.

Not far off! I actually roll with bagels. Can't beat a niiiice, toasted, salt bagel. Mmmmmmm.

Indubitably, Andre was the best. I appreciate that note of encouragement as well, thank you. Also, Andre meme! http://s10.postimg.org/nwl6ek2ud/andrew.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/nwl6ek2ud/)

[Bruinsfan94]

sooooo tempting!!!!!

Now that we got Planters in play maybe we can work out a three collector
trade here.

[kevinlenane]

Ill take the Plantier and the Mcdonald in a trade for a 91 Ultra Pat Listach, a 92 Topps GOLD FOIL Juan Guzman and 1987 FLEEEEER FACTORY SETTT. All in GEM. MINT. TEN.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Cal Eldred.
Carlos Baerga.

[bobfreedman]

Kevin Maas
John Olerud

[njdunkin1]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Kevin Maas
John Olerud

Olerud had a pretty good career actually.

[ullmandds]

I've got some Gem Mint 10's Todd Van Poppel and Brien Taylor rookies I can throw in..........:D

ya...who doesnt!!!!!!!

[Dewey]

Well this thread ended up alright. Now I'm hungry.

[SyrNy1960]

Well this thread ended up alright.

Yeah, I actually really enjoyed this thread (except until the end, where I am now pretty full after eating a whole pack of bagels and cream cheese, while looking an my Ben McDonald, Mark Lewis, Gregg Jeffries, Pete Incaviglia, and Steve Avery collection).

Everyone handled this nicely, from the potential buyer apologizing and not getting nasty and defensive; to the seller and others being forgiving; and all who gave good advice to the potential buyer to do the right thing in the future. Great site!

I wish I collected vintage cards like most of you, so I could be more actively involved. However, I do enjoy seeing all of your cards and do enjoy a lot of the posts!

[7nohitter]

Joe Nuxhall anyone?

[xplainer]

Ill take the Plantier and the Mcdonald in a trade for a 91 Ultra Pat Listach, a 92 Topps GOLD FOIL Juan Guzman and 1987 FLEEEEER FACTORY SETTT. All in GEM. MINT. TEN.

Kenny, is this price right? Incredible. Folks, don't try to figure this out. Get on the phone and ORRRDER MOOOORE THAN ONNNEEEE. ORRDER MOOOORE THAN ONNNEEE!

[wolf441]

Kenny, is this price right? Incredible. Folks, don't try to figure this out. Get on the phone and ORRRDER MOOOORE THAN ONNNEEEE. ORRDER MOOOORE THAN ONNNEEE!

Thanks Jimmy...Now I'm going to have this stuck in my head all day:

"YOUR GUNNA GET THE MCGWIRE ROOKIE!!!! YOUR GUNNA GET THE GRIFFEY JUNIOR ROOKIE!!!...."

:D

[T206Collector]

I thought I was the only one who liked a nice salt bagel. It's like having the best part of a giant pretzel with a little more substance. Damn, now I want one!

:D

[Bpm0014]

Gregg Jefferies actually had a pretty good career as well.....

[bnorth]

Seriously guys I do have some of those super rare 89 Topps Mark Lewis cards. He is such an amazing prospect the card back shows his High School batting record. He hit .545 and is the real deal.:)

Ok on a serious note he is the only player that I remember that had his complete High School batting record on the back of a card. Anybody know of any others?

[chaddurbin]

i collected pre-war when i was a kid also, persian gulf war. any chance to show off some gems in my collection...another positive from this thread.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo147/quannimir/IMG_20131221_191325_zps2f2ce3ab.jpg

[Joshwesley]

and there it is....
Jim Abbot... Signed...


WOW!

:eek::eek::eek::D

[JoeKerr]

May I know the asking price of the card? May I also know if the card would have been bought by someone else in that time that is was reserved?

I am curious to know if 10 dollars was a large percentage of the price.

I understand the principal of not being wishy washy about your decisions and I abide by that myself, but at the same time I am the type of person that probably would never call someone out for not being able to afford something(large or small) or changing their mind about a deal before money changes hands.

I just recently sold a truck and I had lots of people(10 to 15) tell me they wanted the truck sight unseen and they would come on Saturday to pick it up. I simply replied "First come first serve. It will be for sale until it is sold". Needless to say none of them showed up, except 1 guy who did buy it(without starting it none the less). I wasn't mad or upset at any one of those people that didn't come.

Doesn't that eliminate any downside to having someone "reserve" a card on good faith? Not to bash any seller that does this, but if you change your selling practice, doesn't that eliminate any agnst from your end of a botched deal?

You simply haven't sold it yet, no matter what anyone says and you have no reason to turn anyone else away from a potential sale.

Joe

[JoeKerr]

Also, am I the only one who noticed that both of those Steve Avery signatures look very different from each other?

Joe

[D. Bergin]

Seriously guys I do have some of those super rare 89 Topps Mark Lewis cards. He is such an amazing prospect the card back shows his High School batting record. He hit .545 and is the real deal.:)

Ok on a serious note he is the only player that I remember that had his complete High School batting record on the back of a card. Anybody know of any others?


I remember being similarly enthralled by the college stats on the back of the Monty Farriss card from the same series.

I think I had a couple 100 count lots that eventually made the dumpster during one move or another.

30 HR's and 114 RBI's in 242 AB's at Oklahoma State his junior season. :eek:

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[kevinlenane]

Gang this is a FACTORY set! For those of you who bought in quantity - you are gonna want to buy more. 13000 cards! The book on that is thirteen THOUSAND dollars! Minimum! Kenny, are these guaranteed to go up like the Jordan Mr. June?!

[begsu1013]

and there it is....
Jim Abbot... Signed...


WOW!

:eek::eek::eek::D

gotta hand it to you!

[irv]

Olerud had a pretty good career actually.

I agree, and he was known for that sweet swing.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/olerujo01.shtml

[Wite3]

I will raise you...Joe Charboneau, Gorman Thomas, and Mike Greenwell

(oh, and dont forget Joe Shlabotnik)

Joshua

[ullmandds]

guys guys guys...I HAVE...MINT...I MEAN PACK FRESH 91' Stadium Club Scott Ericksons...I mean they are sharp!

[Luke]

Back when I was getting autographs, Scott Erickson turned us down in the funniest way I ever saw. He walked out of the Kingdome toward the team bus holding a Snapple in one hand and the cap of the Snapple in the other hand. "Sorry guy, my hands are full."

[KingFisk]

This has been one of the most entertaining threads I have read in my two years hanging around Net54. A kid learns a real lesson, baked goods are bandied about, Don West impersonations thrown in, late 20th century busts remembered. Thanks to all for the laughs.

[gnaz01]

guys guys guys...I HAVE...MINT...I MEAN PACK FRESH 91' Stadium Club Scott Ericksons...I mean they are sharp!

Don't we all? :D

[begsu1013]

still hoping these guys pan out:

http://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/26029/10292575/cc canseco walton.jpg

[ullmandds]

Don't we all? :D

Ya...but mine are 11's!

[bobfreedman]

I agree, and he was known for that sweet swing.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/olerujo01.shtml

Agreed, and I was a big fan of his but my only point was that his cards are worthless today. I remember opening packs of 1991(?) leaf searching for Olerud, Thomas, Sosa etc..

[irv]

Agreed, and I was a big fan of his but my only point was that his cards are worthless today. I remember opening packs of 1991(?) leaf searching for Olerud, Thomas, Sosa etc..

Me too, and I understood what you were talking about. I purchased many 90-91 UD cards back then just for the sake of collecting and hoping that maybe someday the cards would be valuable, but like you, most are practically worthless nowadays.

[Republicaninmass]

It really hit home when my entire childhood collection drove away in the back of a pickup truck, and I was starting at $800 thinking "this is my retirement?".

[iowadoc77]

I have 50,000 plus cards in my basement from my childhood and I don't think there is much hope of realizing $800 for them. But there is literally no price to be put on how much fun I had with those cards.

[4815162342]

I thought I was the only one who liked a nice salt bagel. It's like having the best part of a giant pretzel with a little more substance. Damn, now I want one!



:D



What's a bagel?

- Sincerely, The South

[TheNightmanCometh]

I threw away the vast majority, and I'm talking north of 95%, of my collection of baseball cards ranging from '87 to '93. I hope my decision to do this makes all of you money when you one day decide to retire and sell off your collection. :D

[Pilot172000]

I run into crates of late eighties and early nineties cards on sale at flea markets on a regular basis. It amazes me that Topps, Donruss, Fleer, Upper Deck and Score were able to flood the market so completely that an entire generation of baseball cards are worth so little.

[pokerplyr80]

I run into crates of late eighties and early nineties cards on sale at flea markets on a regular basis. It amazes me that Topps, Donruss, Fleer, Upper Deck and Score were able to flood the market so completely that an entire generation of baseball cards are worth so little.

The fact that everyone's mom knew not to throw these cards away didn't help either. If we toss 95% of them in a landfill the other 5% might have some vslue.

[unamuzd1]

The fact that everyone's mom knew not to throw these cards away didn't help either. If we toss 95% of them in a landfill the other 5% might have some vslue.
Every time I visit my parents, I put 2-5k cards in their recycling bin.

The dent is barely noticeable.

[Pilot172000]

Every time I visit my parents, I put 2-5k cards in their recycling bin.

The dent is barely noticeable.

I think the previous generation spoiled us. I mean they had The Mick, Say Hey Willie, Hammerin Hank, Ernie Banks and more!! The cards that those guys graced were paper gold and they stuck them in their bicycle fenders to make cool noises! We all thought we were gonna get rich buying Todd Stottelmyer's rookie card and putting it away for a decade or so. Little did we know that everybody else was doing it too!!

[steve B]

What's a bagel?

- Sincerely, The South

It's a thing sort of like a stale donut, but you have to add your own frosting or filling. Unless you get one from a really good shop where it's a donut shaped loaf of bread that you can split in half flatwise, toast it, and add a whole bunch of tasty stuff. There's actually fewer options for stuff to put on it if the shop is REALLY for real. (Do NOT order a roast beef and cheese or it's the street without a bagel for you! )


:D

Steve B

[irv]

I think the previous generation spoiled us. I mean they had The Mick, Say Hey Willie, Hammerin Hank, Ernie Banks and more!! The cards that those guys graced were paper gold and they stuck them in their bicycle fenders to make cool noises! We all thought we were gonna get rich buying Todd Stottelmyer's rookie card and putting it away for a decade or so. Little did we know that everybody else was doing it too!!

Just talked to my neighbor the other day and asked her if her son collected baseball cards when he was young. (He is 48)
She handed me a binder full of 90-91 UD hockey cards and she said these were the only cards he ever collected, and the only reason he did, was because a couple of his buddies told him to.

I think that mass buying happened more in those years than any other year if I am not mistaken?

[Pilot172000]

That was right about the time I took interest. I want to say 1989 Score was the set. Bo Jackson, Orel Hersheiser, Nolan Ryan and Jose Canseco were my guys and so was Mike Scott. It was all down hill from there. I think that's why my e obsession with T206 set has remained strong. Because it is original and will never be truly duplicated. One card at a time. No holograms just the folklore.

[Rookiemonster]

Back at it again

[KingFisk]

Back at it again

How so?

[FourStrikes]

Every now and then some good bagel, cream cheese and lox can't be beat either.

late to the thread, but *good* bagels and lox are FOTG (food of the gods!)

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