Williams and Mantle autograph help

[Dsturmjr]

I'm looking for opinions on authenticity of these Mantle and Williams autos. Any help is appreciated.

Williams on paper with black pen. Paper is indented from pen pressure. Not a facsimile.

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Williams in blue sharpie
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Mantle in blue sharpie

http:// http://rs3.pbsrc.com/albums/y69/dsturmjr/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160212_204612_387_zpsiq1ytafh.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip (http://rs3.pbsrc.com/albums/y69/dsturmjr/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160212_204612_387_zpsiq1ytafh.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)


Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

[Dsturmjr]

http:// http://rs3.pbsrc.com/albums/y69/dsturmjr/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160212_204612_387_zpsiq1ytafh.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

[Sophiedog]

Both Garbage IMO

[Scott Garner]

Unfortunately not close on Ted Williams.

[Runscott]

I'm looking for opinions on authenticity of these Mantle and Williams autos. Any help is appreciated.

Williams on paper with black pen. Paper is indented from pen pressure. Not a facsimile.

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Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Where did you find these? The Williams is especially horrible.

[RichardSimon]

The "author" of that Williams should go back to forgery school.

[Dsturmjr]

The ink auto is just on a low quality old black and white paper with one of his quotes on back that says "To the young baseball players of America, who dream as I did , may this help them on their way . Think it's a page from a book that was framed. The photo is a black and white Robert Riger photo of him hitting and it says "The Author in his Prime" under the photo. The auto is under that in a large white block. Found it at a flea market. The color photos of Mantle and Williams I've had for a while that I received from a family friend.
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Where did you find these? The Williams is especially horrible.

[shelly]

Every year since I have been on this site. I have told you when it come;s tp Williams no open a or d.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Mantle just sucks:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Kco]

They are real....ly bad forgeries

[Dsturmjr]

Thanks for the inputs. I'm no expert obviously and new to the site. Luckily I paid next to nothing for any of them. Two were given to me and the other was found in a lot I bought of sports cards and other items at a flea market

[Runscott]

I don't know later 'Williams' autographs, but this black-pen one should be obvious to anyone who has looked at even 2-3 authentic examples.

Of course, there are mitigating signing circumstances, such as alcohol or signing on a strange surface or at a strange angle. I had someone argue that a Mantle was good, but that he was just really drunk when he signed it. I guess if I were really drunk when I bought it, all would be well.

[Fuddjcal]

Thanks for the inputs. I'm no expert obviously and new to the site. Luckily I paid next to nothing for any of them. Two were given to me and the other was found in a lot I bought of sports cards and other items at a flea market

yeah , but you PAID for them!!!! LOLOL:):):)

The Mantle is a dime store phony and even this forgery is horrible one. Take into account the picture is one of least desirable mantles and you have a piece... a piece of S*** that is... that the idiot should have paid you to take them to the landfill for him.:mad:;) Better luck next time. How about studying Mantle signatures for a few days and then start out? It will be so much easier and fun and you'll weed out the putrid ones like these easily. Keep in mind that nearly ALL Mantle autographs are forgeries (they used to say 90% are forgeries-now at least 95% are forgeries, IMHO)

[Runscott]

Chuck, you are always so gentle on these guys.

:p