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The Nasty Nati
02-10-2016, 06:22 PM
Anyone have a list of all of the players from the T212 set that went on to play in the major leagues?

trdcrdkid
02-10-2016, 07:08 PM
Lew Lipset says in The Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards that 40% of the players in T212 played in the major leagues, but he doesn't provide a full list, and I can't seem to find one. Lipset does indicate in his checklists which players in T209-2 and T210 played in the majors, but not T212 for some reason. In the text of his article he mentions Chet Chadbourne, Paul Strand, Chick Gandil, Buck Weaver, Ping Bodie, Duffy Lewis, Roger Peckinpaugh, Ossie Vitt, and Jacques Fournier, but that's a very partial list.

brianp-beme
02-10-2016, 11:08 PM
This is most likely an incomplete listing of players pictured in the three Obak issues that played in the Major Leagues, as I was cross-referencing lists that are likely not complete, and also did not want to include players I wasn't sure about. Perhaps someone on here (hi Rhett?) has the most accurate database for this.

The 1909 issue only pictures players from the Pacific Coast League, whereas the 1910 and 1911 sets also picture players from Northwest League teams. The Pacific Coast League definitely produced quite a few major leaguers, whereas the Northwest League, being not quite at the same level of play as the PCL, has considerably less representatives on this list.

One point of potential interest. Many players are pictured in more than one year. The 1909 set has completely different artwork than the 1910 and 1911 set. The 1910 and 1911 sets share artwork when a player, included in both issues, remained on the same team (for example George Cutshaw of Oakland). The artwork for players who changed team designations in the 1911 set will be different than what is seen in the 1910 set (like Tom Seaton with Seattle NWL in 1910 and Portland PCL in 1911).

Hope this helps, and others feel free to put me to shame.

Brian


1909

Los Angeles PCL - Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Walter Nagle

Oakland PCL - Duffy Lewis, Don Ragan, Bill Reidy, Jimmy Wiggs

Portland PCL - Albert Carson, Gus Fisher, Walt McCreedie, Bud Ryan

Sacramento PCL - Jim Byrnes, Chick Gandil

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Browning, Kid Mohler, Thomas Tennant, Rollie Zeider

Vernon PCL - Drummond Brown, Roy Hitt


1910

Los Angeles PCL - Roy Castleton, Thomas Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Walter Nagle, Bill Tozer,

Oakland PCL - George Cutshaw, Henry Lively, Chester Thomas, Clyde Wares, Harry Wolverton

Portland PCL - Gus Fisher, Vean Gregg, Gus Hettling, Gene Krapp, Walt McCreedie, Tom Seaton, Bill Steen

Sacramento PCL - Bill Steen, Harold Danzig, Jacques Fournier, Chet Nourse, Ed Van Buren

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Bodie, Frank Browning, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt

Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, Roy Hitt, William Lindsay

Seattle NWL - George Pennington, Tom Seaton

Spokane NWL - Jesse Baker, Jack Killilay

Tacoma NWL - Cliff Blankenship

Vancouver NWL - Drummond Brown


1911

Los Angeles PCL - Fred Abbott, Curtis Bernard, Tom Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Charley Moore, Bill Tozer

Oakland PCL - Harry Ables, George Cutshaw, John Flater, Gus Hetling, Izzy Hoffman, Harl Maggert, William Pearce, Henry Pernoll, Clyde Wares, Harry Wolverton, Elmer Zacher

Portland PCL - Shad Barry, Chet Chadbourne, Elmer Koestner, Art Krueger, Walt Kuhn, Walt McCreedie, Roger Peckinpaugh, Wilbur Rodgers, Bud Ryan, Tom Seaton, Tommy Sheehan, Bill Steen

Sacramento PCL - Frank Arrelanes, Harold Danzig, Bert Lerchen, Chris Mahoney, Chet Nourse, Patsy O'Rourke, Chester Thomas, Ed Van Buren

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Frank Browning, Thomas Madden, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Doc Moskiman, Walter Schmidt, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt, Buck Weaver, Carl Zamloch

Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, Roy Castleton, Roy Hitt, John Kane, Ham Patterson, John Raleigh

Portland NWL - Ed Mensor

Seattle NWL - Bill Leard

Spokane NWL - Paul Strand

Victoria NWL - Jack Roche

Leon
02-11-2016, 07:33 AM
Your edit reason is my normal MO.....great info, thanks for sharing, my friend.... We should show a T212 major-leaguer...... This T212 is my only one ...

This is most likely an incomplete listing of players pictured in the three Obak issues that played in the Major Leagues, as I was cross-referencing lists that are likely not complete, and also did not want to include players I wasn't sure about. Perhaps someone on here (hi Rhett?) has the most accurate database for this.

The 1909 issue only pictures players from the Pacific Coast League, whereas the 1910 and 1911 sets also picture players from Northwest League teams. The Pacific Coast League definitely produced quite a few major leaguers, whereas the Northwest League, being not quite at the same level of play as the PCL, has considerably less representatives on this list.

One point of potential interest. Many players are pictured in more than one year. The 1909 set has completely different artwork than the 1910 and 1911 set. The 1910 and 1911 sets share artwork when a player, included in both issues, remained on the same team (for example George Cutshaw of Oakland). The artwork for players who changed team designations in the 1911 set will be different than what is seen in the 1910 set (like Tom Seaton with Seattle NWL in 1910 and Portland PCL in 1911).

Hope this helps, and others feel free to put me to shame.

Brian


1909

Los Angeles PCL - Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Walter Nagle

Oakland PCL - Duffy Lewis, Don Ragan, Bill Reidy

Portland PCL - Albert Carson, Gus Fisher, Walt McCreedie, Bud Ryan

Sacramento PCL - Jim Byrnes, Chick Gandil

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Browning, Kid Mohler, Thomas Tennant, Rollie Zeider

Vernon PCL - Drummond Brown, Roy Hitt


1910

Los Angeles PCL - Roy Castleton, Thomas Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Walter Nagle, Bill Tozer,

Oakland PCL - George Cutshaw, Henry Lively, Chester Thomas, Clyde Wares, Harry Wolverton

Portland PCL - Gus Fisher, Vean Gregg, Gus Hettling, Gene Krapp, Walt McCreedie, Tom Seaton, Bill Steen

Sacramento PCL - Bill Steen, Harold Danzig, Jacques Fournier, Chet Nourse, Ed Van Buren

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Bodie, Frank Browning, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt

Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, Roy Hitt, William Lindsay

Seattle NWL - George Pennington, Tom Seaton

Spokane NWL - Jesse Baker, Jack Killilay

Tacoma NWL - Cliff Blankenship

Vancouver NWL - Drummond Brown


1911

Los Angeles PCL - Fred Abbott, Curtis Bernard, Tom Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Charley Moore, Bill Tozer

Oakland PCL - Harry Ables, George Cutshaw, John Flater, Gus Hetling, Izzy Hoffman, Harl Maggert, William Pearce, Henry Pernoll, Clyde Wares, Harry Wolverton, Elmer Zacher

Portland PCL - Shad Barry, Chet Chadbourne, Elmer Koestner, Art Krueger, Walt Kuhn, Walt McCreedie, Roger Peckinpaugh, Wilbur Rodgers, Bud Ryan, Tom Seaton, Tommy Sheehan, Bill Steen

Sacramento PCL - Frank Arrelanes, Harold Danzig, Bert Lerchen, Chris Mahoney, Chet Nourse, Patsy O'Rourke, Chester Thomas, Ed Van Buren

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Frank Browning, Thomas Madden, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Doc Moskiman, Walter Schmidt, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt, Buck Weaver, Carl Zamloch

Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, Roy Castleton, Roy Hitt, John Kane, Ham Patterson, John Raleigh

Portland NWL - Ed Mensor

Seattle NWL - Bill Leard

Spokane NWL - Paul Strand

Victoria NWL - Jack Roche

whaler
02-11-2016, 04:00 PM
Here's another:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v739/millerbr/bullet/t212psa8_zpsg3eoq9yb.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/millerbr/media/bullet/t212psa8_zpsg3eoq9yb.jpg.html)

judsonhamlin
02-11-2016, 04:24 PM
I think Jimmy Wiggs (of E 107) should be on there as well

brianp-beme
02-11-2016, 04:46 PM
Thanks Judson. I was utilizing a list created for Zeenut major leaguers, and only listed ones I was pretty positive crossed over to the Obak set as well. Cases where a player with a common name that was possibly in
much later Zeenut issues I left off, just in case there was another similarly named fellow who was active later on. Also I am probably missing ones that did not have any Zeenut cards issued.

I will add Wiggs, and would appreciate any other (major league) contributions.

Brian

The Nasty Nati
02-11-2016, 05:32 PM
Thanks Brian! Just the list I was looking for. And great idea Leon, let's see some T212s major leaguers.

Thanks Judson. I was utilizing a list created for Zeenut major leaguers, and only listed ones I was pretty positive crossed over to the Obak set as well. Cases where a player with a common name that was possibly in
much later Zeenut issues I left off, just in case there was another similarly named fellow who was active later on. Also I am probably missing ones that did not have any Zeenut cards issued.

I will add Wiggs, and would appreciate any other (major league) contributions.

Brian

mybuddyinc
02-12-2016, 01:56 PM
I think Jimmy Wiggs (of E 107) should be on there as well


Yup .............. :)


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