trdcrdkid
02-10-2016, 06:08 PM
Lew Lipset says in The Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards that 40% of the players in T212 played in the major leagues, but he doesn't provide a full list, and I can't seem to find one. Lipset does indicate in his checklists which players in T209-2 and T210 played in the majors, but not T212 for some reason. In the text of his article he mentions Chet Chadbourne, Paul Strand, Chick Gandil, Buck Weaver, Ping Bodie, Duffy Lewis, Roger Peckinpaugh, Ossie Vitt, and Jacques Fournier, but that's a very partial list.
brianp-beme
02-10-2016, 10:08 PM
This is most likely an incomplete (Now with 2018 editing more likely complete) listing of players pictured in the three Obak issues that played in the Major Leagues, as I was cross-referencing lists that are likely not complete, and also did not want to include players I wasn't sure about. Perhaps someone on here (hi Rhett?) has the most accurate database for this.
The 1909 issue only pictures players from the Pacific Coast League, whereas the 1910 and 1911 sets also picture players from Northwest League teams. The Pacific Coast League definitely produced quite a few major leaguers, whereas the Northwest League, being not quite at the same level of play as the PCL, has considerably less representatives on this list.
One point of potential interest. Many players are pictured in more than one year. The 1909 set has completely different artwork than the 1910 and 1911 set. The 1910 and 1911 sets share artwork when a player, included in both issues, remained on the same team (for example George Cutshaw of Oakland). The artwork for players who changed team designations in the 1911 set will be different than what is seen in the 1910 set (like Tom Seaton with Seattle NWL in 1910 and Portland PCL in 1911).
Hope this helps, and others feel free to put me to shame. I have capitalized all the 2018 additions to this list.
Brian
1909
Los Angeles PCL - JOHN BEALL, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Walter Nagle, JESSE ORNSDORFF, JUD SMITH, GEORGE WHEELER
Oakland PCL - Duffy Lewis, HOWARD MURPHY, Don Ragan, Bill Reidy, Jimmy Wiggs
Portland PCL - Albert Carson, Gus Fisher, JACK GRANEY, Walt McCreedie, IVY OLSON, Bud Ryan
Sacramento PCL - FRED BROWN, Jim Byrnes, Chick Gandil, CHARLIE GRAHAM, FRED RAYMER
San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Browning, Kid Mohler, Thomas Tennant, Rollie Zeider
Vernon PCL - CURTIS BERNARD, JOHN BRACKENRIDGE, Drummond Brown, CHARLES EAGAN, Roy Hitt, JESSE STOVALL
1910
Los Angeles PCL - CURTIS BERNARD, Roy Castleton, Thomas Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, HOWARD MURPHY, JESSE ORNSDORFF, Walter Nagle, JUD SMITH, Bill Tozer
Oakland PCL - George Cutshaw, WILLIAM HOGAN, Henry Lively, WALT MOSER, EDWARD SWANDER, Chester Thomas, Clyde Wares, Harry Wolverton
Portland PCL - CHARLEY ARMBRUSTER, Gus Fisher, Vean Gregg, Gus Hettling, Gene Krapp, Walt McCreedie, MILO NETZEL, IVY OLSON, JOHN PERRINE, BUD RYAN, Tom Seaton, Bill Steen
Sacramento PCL - FRED BROWN, Bill Steen, Harold Danzig, CLIFF DARINGER, Jacques Fournier, BENJAMIN HOWARD, Chet Nourse, HANK PERRY, FRED RAYMER, Ed Van Buren
San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Bodie, Frank Browning, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt
Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, NORMAN BRASHEAR, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, GUS FISHER, Roy Hitt, William Lindsay, JOHN RALEIGH, JESSE STOVALL
Seattle NWL - JUSTIN BENNETT, JOHN FRISK, BERT HALL, JAMES JOHNSTON, MIKE LYNCH, George Pennington, Tom Seaton, GUS THOMPSON, GEORGE ZACKERT
Spokane NWL - Jesse Baker, PHIL COONEY, JOHN HICKEY, Jack Killilay, ED KIPPERT, LOUIS NORDYKE, HENRY OSTDIEK
Tacoma NWL - Cliff Blankenship, JIM BYRNES, CURTIS COLEMAN, ISSAC ROCKENFIELD, CHARLIE SCHMUTZ, CONRAD STARKEL
Vancouver NWL - BILL BRINKER, Drummond Brown, HARRY GARDNER, ED KUSEL, JOE SUDGEN
1911
Los Angeles PCL - Fred Abbott, Curtis Bernard, Tom Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Charley Moore, Bill Tozer
Oakland PCL - Harry Ables, George Cutshaw, John Flater, Gus Hetling, Izzy Hoffman, Harl Maggert, William Pearce, Henry Pernoll, MONTE PYFL, Clyde Wares, JIMMY WIGGS, Harry Wolverton, Elmer Zacher
Portland PCL - Shad Barry, Chet Chadbourne, Elmer Koestner, Art Krueger, Walt Kuhn, Walt McCreedie, Roger Peckinpaugh, Wilbur Rodgers, Bud Ryan, Tom Seaton, Tommy Sheehan, Bill Steen
Sacramento PCL - Frank Arrellanes, Harold Danzig, BENJAMIN HUNT, Bert Lerchen, Chris Mahoney, Chet Nourse, Patsy O'Rourke, Chester Thomas, Ed Van Buren
San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Frank Browning, Thomas Madden, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Doc Moskiman, JOSEPH O'ROURKE, Walter Schmidt, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt, Buck Weaver, Carl Zamloch
Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, ALBERT CARSON, Roy Castleton, Roy Hitt, John Kane, Ham Patterson, John Raleigh
Portland NWL - FRED LAMLINE, Ed Mensor, JESSE STOVALL
Seattle NWL - ART BUES, JOHN KADING, Bill Leard, DAVID SKEELS, GEORGE ZACKERT
Spokane NWL - PHIL COONEY, JOHN FRISK, ED KIPPERT, MILO NETZEL, LOUIS NORDYKE, HENRY OSTDIEK, Paul Strand
Tacoma NWL - CURTIS COLEMAN, EDDIE HIGGINS, PETER MORSE, ISSAC ROCKENFIELD, CHARLIE SCHMUTZ
Vancouver NWL - JUSTIN BENNETT, NORMAN BRASHEAR, BILL BRINKER
Victoria NWL - ED HOUSEHOLDER, FRED RAYMER, Jack Roche, CONRAD STARKEL, BLAINE THOMAS
Your edit reason is my normal MO.....great info, thanks for sharing, my friend.... We should show a T212 major-leaguer...... This T212 is my only one ...
This is most likely an incomplete listing of players pictured in the three Obak issues that played in the Major Leagues, as I was cross-referencing lists that are likely not complete, and also did not want to include players I wasn't sure about. Perhaps someone on here (hi Rhett?) has the most accurate database for this.
The 1909 issue only pictures players from the Pacific Coast League, whereas the 1910 and 1911 sets also picture players from Northwest League teams. The Pacific Coast League definitely produced quite a few major leaguers, whereas the Northwest League, being not quite at the same level of play as the PCL, has considerably less representatives on this list.
One point of potential interest. Many players are pictured in more than one year. The 1909 set has completely different artwork than the 1910 and 1911 set. The 1910 and 1911 sets share artwork when a player, included in both issues, remained on the same team (for example George Cutshaw of Oakland). The artwork for players who changed team designations in the 1911 set will be different than what is seen in the 1910 set (like Tom Seaton with Seattle NWL in 1910 and Portland PCL in 1911).
Hope this helps, and others feel free to put me to shame.
Brian
1909
Los Angeles PCL - Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Walter Nagle
Oakland PCL - Duffy Lewis, Don Ragan, Bill Reidy
Portland PCL - Albert Carson, Gus Fisher, Walt McCreedie, Bud Ryan
Sacramento PCL - Jim Byrnes, Chick Gandil
San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Browning, Kid Mohler, Thomas Tennant, Rollie Zeider
Vernon PCL - Drummond Brown, Roy Hitt
1910
Los Angeles PCL - Roy Castleton, Thomas Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Walter Nagle, Bill Tozer,
Oakland PCL - George Cutshaw, Henry Lively, Chester Thomas, Clyde Wares, Harry Wolverton
Portland PCL - Gus Fisher, Vean Gregg, Gus Hettling, Gene Krapp, Walt McCreedie, Tom Seaton, Bill Steen
Sacramento PCL - Bill Steen, Harold Danzig, Jacques Fournier, Chet Nourse, Ed Van Buren
San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Bodie, Frank Browning, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt
Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, Roy Hitt, William Lindsay
Seattle NWL - George Pennington, Tom Seaton
Spokane NWL - Jesse Baker, Jack Killilay
Tacoma NWL - Cliff Blankenship
Vancouver NWL - Drummond Brown
1911
Los Angeles PCL - Fred Abbott, Curtis Bernard, Tom Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Charley Moore, Bill Tozer
Oakland PCL - Harry Ables, George Cutshaw, John Flater, Gus Hetling, Izzy Hoffman, Harl Maggert, William Pearce, Henry Pernoll, Clyde Wares, Harry Wolverton, Elmer Zacher
Portland PCL - Shad Barry, Chet Chadbourne, Elmer Koestner, Art Krueger, Walt Kuhn, Walt McCreedie, Roger Peckinpaugh, Wilbur Rodgers, Bud Ryan, Tom Seaton, Tommy Sheehan, Bill Steen
Sacramento PCL - Frank Arrelanes, Harold Danzig, Bert Lerchen, Chris Mahoney, Chet Nourse, Patsy O'Rourke, Chester Thomas, Ed Van Buren
San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Frank Browning, Thomas Madden, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Doc Moskiman, Walter Schmidt, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt, Buck Weaver, Carl Zamloch
Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, Roy Castleton, Roy Hitt, John Kane, Ham Patterson, John Raleigh
Portland NWL - Ed Mensor
Seattle NWL - Bill Leard
Spokane NWL - Paul Strand
Victoria NWL - Jack Roche