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Brian Van Horn
02-09-2016, 07:46 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T207-Brown-Background-Louis-Lowdermilk-ANONYMOUS-BACK-SGC-6-80-EXMT-PWCC-/141889667345?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=gKjRptaSTt5oquYzYonKzYgnAeQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Specifically the bottom right corner.

1880nonsports
02-09-2016, 09:07 PM
just from my opinion - no card in hand - but I think it's just an optical illusion only seen in the scan taken of the front. That corner seems to be fine when looked at from the back.
That said - the card doctors are well practiced with sophisticated tools available with which to ply their trade - and people lining up to buy their wares. Getting something altered past a TPG isn't all that tough - especially with multiple submissions going through the black hole of grading - and then they're in.
As an aside - I have returned maybe 2/3 cards over 20 years and had to accept a single return - as it turns out from the esteemed leader of this site - long before he would go on to be king :-)
Well it was around 1994 and I bought a T207 from someone who is now a friend and sometimes national table partner - early base ball collector and dealer Glenn Mechanick. I was 2 years into collecting cards and as I started to educate myself by buying books and listening to dealers. As a result I was now afraid of all the things I was reading and hearing about fakes and alterations - I saw monsters around every corner. I think it was Parsipany(?) - a table with "the old stuff" caught my eye. A quick negotiation with the guy standing smiling behind the table and the card was mine. I was excited to bring my T207 home (my first of it's type) as I was just starting an N/T type card collection of base ball cards. I sat down at my desk, put it under a table lamp and pulled out a magnifier. Oh no! There was significant crazing to the photographic surface and my mind went immediately into panic mode. I figured the surface had cracked as a result of someone cutting the card along the edge and causing something like a shattering. Argh. I've been taken! In a panic I drove back to the show (from Brooklyn) THAT DAY. I warily approached the table as I had no idea how returning the card would go. Glenn stood by quietly listening to me drone on as to my observations and suppositions (I really didn't know very much - still don't - likely it was obvious) and he took the card back without a problem - in fact he thanked me for calling it to his attention.
A few years later we started up a conversation at a show and moved onto a friendship. One of the good things about our hobby. Next time I see him I have to remember to ask if he was just placating me.
Likely there was nothing wrong with the card......

ullmandds
02-09-2016, 09:07 PM
honestly...i dont know about that one brian? it sure is a sharp card!

ullmandds
02-09-2016, 09:07 PM
i agree with the dude...optical illusion!

Brian Van Horn
02-09-2016, 09:21 PM
Not an optical illusion in my opinion.

1880nonsports
02-09-2016, 09:43 PM
Hard for anyone to make a conclusive determination from a scan of a card in a holder on the interweb - especially one which doesn't seem to have a glaring defect. That's my opinion. Maybe you'll get some other opinions. I hope they are in agreement with you................

Leon
02-10-2016, 07:53 AM
to me all of the corners look just about as pointed as the others. I vote not trimmed from the scan...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T207-Brown-Background-Louis-Lowdermilk-ANONYMOUS-BACK-SGC-6-80-EXMT-PWCC-/141889667345?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=gKjRptaSTt5oquYzYonKzYgnAeQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Specifically the bottom right corner.

ullmandds
02-14-2016, 08:26 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1914-CRACKER-JACK-36-ED-WALSH-PSA-4-VG-EX-HOF-LOW-POP-/191803173902?hash=item2ca85c2c0e:g:JjgAAOSwPcVVwro R

how about this? optical illusion?

Leon
02-14-2016, 08:44 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1914-CRACKER-JACK-36-ED-WALSH-PSA-4-VG-EX-HOF-LOW-POP-/191803173902?hash=item2ca85c2c0e:g:JjgAAOSwPcVVwro R

how about this? optical illusion?

Personally I think that one is only wrinkled. '14s are really thin and I have seen that look many times before. Grading is subjective....

3-2-count
02-14-2016, 08:49 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1914-CRACKER-JACK-36-ED-WALSH-PSA-4-VG-EX-HOF-LOW-POP-/191803173902?hash=item2ca85c2c0e:g:JjgAAOSwPcVVwro R

how about this? optical illusion?

That CJ looks fine to me. I've seen many rippled and wrinkled like this due to the extreme thin paper they're printed on.

ullmandds
02-14-2016, 08:57 PM
wavy gravy!

MW1
02-14-2016, 11:51 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-T207-Brown-Background-Louis-Lowdermilk-ANONYMOUS-BACK-SGC-6-80-EXMT-PWCC-/141889667345?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=gKjRptaSTt5oquYzYonKzYgnAeQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Specifically the bottom right corner.I've handled about 100 NM-MT T207s over the years and this one has a cut that is typical of a high-grade example, some TL corner wear notwithstanding. The CJ referenced in this thread also looks fine, just warped, which can happen with this issue.

gnaz01
02-15-2016, 05:08 AM
That CJ looks fine to me. I've seen many rippled and wrinkled like this due to the extreme thin paper they're printed on.

Agreed