Atlantic City

[Snapolit1]

If anyone is starting to make travel plans for the National in August and has questions about where to stay or other logistics, please feel free to reach out to me. I like AC a great deal, and it's not the really scary place some of you may have been led to believe. Having said that, there are a lot of cheap motels in the area that I would not stay in, never mind stay in with tens of thousands of dollars in valuable products with me. I would steer clear of motels and get in a real hotel. Many fine choices, and some of them start to get pricey.

[Snapolit1]

I'd also be happy to arrange an Italian restaurant dinner for some board members off the strip in a place that will totally blow your doors off.

[ksabet]

I am hoping to go...but I am using the convention as an excuse to the wife to play poker.

10% baseball cards
10% eating
80% losing money at poker

Actually thats 100% losing money.

[1880nonsports]

I hope I can get myself away from the casino for at least an hour a day to see the national....... St. Louis was crazy - up 6am - work the show until closing - casino until 7am the next day and back to the show to groundhog day it all over again. Last AC not so bad as my smoking and drinking got in the way. That predilection and the hookers keep me centered now. Those nights with Glenn and Jerry Spillman used to get a bit crazy.

[Head928]

I was just starting to think about the logistics last night so good timing on the thread.

I am interested to know your thoughts on getting to AC from Long Island. We are visiting family that week in LI (so I am not a local). The wife and I want to come down for a day of cards and night of dinner/gambling.

Should I just plan on driving down from LI or are there other convenient ways to get there such as train?

Also a dinner recommendation would be cool. thanks-

[x2drich2000]

Leon, I know it is early still, but any word on if there will be a net54 dinner again on the Friday night?

DJ

[obcbobd]

Recommendations on hotels or areas within walking distance would be appreciated as I will likely fly in.

thanks!

Bob

[Snapolit1]

No train convenient from LI. I grew up there know it well. Have to drive unless you want to endure a casino bus.
Chef Vola. Best Italian. Good places in Tropicana. Like the Cuban place. Fun. Also the White House sub shop cannot be missed on any trip to AC. Trust me. Cannot be missed. Also highly recommend the Knife and Fork Inn. If you were a fan of Boardwalk Empire cannot be missed.

[Snapolit1]

Nothing walking distance to Sheraton. It's on the middle of nowhere. But a quick cab ride from the borgata, golden nugget, Chelsea, Tropicana. I real.y like the Chelsea. Small classy boutique on Boardwalk. Doesn't have a casino.

[Donscards]

Thanks for the info on Hotels and Chef Vola---I need the early hotel for Monday---Quite sure it is very hard to fly into AC---I will also check out the White House Sub shop---We have Italian sandwiches here in Maine--and the old fashion Hoagie in Penna. (Were I was born)

[Snapolit1]

Fly into Philly if you can. Must better than NEWARK or any NY airport.

[4815162342]

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[AGuinness]

I thought this might be a discussion on how The Band's version of "Atlantic City" is much better than Springsteen's...

I won't be attending, but hope everyone who does has a blast!

[Head928]

Those places to eat look great....thanks for the info

[sago]

I was just starting to think about the logistics last night so good timing on the thread.

I am interested to know your thoughts on getting to AC from Long Island. We are visiting family that week in LI (so I am not a local). The wife and I want to come down for a day of cards and night of dinner/gambling.

Should I just plan on driving down from LI or are there other convenient ways to get there such as train?

Also a dinner recommendation would be cool. thanks-

Long Island Railroad to Penn Station. Amtrak to AC. Probably 1-1.5 hours longer than driving, depending on where on Long Island you will be. With unknown traffic conditions, taking the train could be better.

[Snapolit1]

No Amtrak from NYC to AC. Discontinued about 2 years ago. The Aces train. I loved it. No more. You could take Amtrak to Philly and get a regional connection to AC. Not a bad way to go. But you may be hanging out in Philly a while waiting for next AC train.

[icollectDCsports]

No train convenient from LI. I grew up there know it well. Have to drive unless you want to endure a casino bus.
Chef Vola. Best Italian. Good places in Tropicana. Like the Cuban place. Fun. Also the White House sub shop cannot be missed on any trip to AC. Trust me. Cannot be missed. Also highly recommend the Knife and Fork Inn. If you were a fan of Boardwalk Empire cannot be missed.

How is the walk to White House Subs from boardwalk area?

[Leon]

There won't be a Net54baseball dinner this year. I am not setting up this year and still am not sure I am going.

Leon, I know it is early still, but any word on if there will be a net54 dinner again on the Friday night?

DJ

[Head928]

No Amtrak from NYC to AC. Discontinued about 2 years ago. The Aces train. I loved it. No more. You could take Amtrak to Philly and get a regional connection to AC. Not a bad way to go. But you may be hanging out in Philly a while waiting for next AC train.

Driving in the NY area is by far my least favorite thing to do so I am keep the train route in mind...thanks for the info

[ullmandds]

this jersey boy will not be going!

[begsu1013]

so fix your hair up nice,
and fix yourself up pretty...

[sago]

No Amtrak from NYC to AC. Discontinued about 2 years ago. The Aces train. I loved it. No more. You could take Amtrak to Philly and get a regional connection to AC. Not a bad way to go. But you may be hanging out in Philly a while waiting for next AC train.

I left NYC 9 years ago. Had not heard that. I did go to the Amtrak website, and it still shows you can go from Penn to AC; takes less than 2 hours and is about $65 one way.

[Donscards]

Since we are talking about the AC National. I am staying at the Sheraton which is right next store. But I need a hotel/motel for Monday since I am driving to the show. But with this thread, looks like I found a place to stay and good food spots. I think I will bring in some subs from White House sub shop instead of convention food. Thanks for the advice. Don

[moeson]

Do you still need "an in" to get a reservation at Chef Vola? I had the pleasure of dining there twice over a decade ago and the food and overall experience was top notch!

[judsonhamlin]

I will be going for the day on Friday, most likely, I second Knofe & Fork and the down market charm of the Irish Pub

[Huck]

For those who would be setting up at the National, would you prefer Baltimore over AC? Just curious.

[Donscards]

I set up at both Baltimore Nationals. They were outstanding. Great hotels, restaurants, good parking, easy set up and collectors came in droves. Time will tell on Atlantic City. I know most dealers would love to see another Baltimoe National, but it will be a few years due to logistics. But I am looking forward to AC.

[Yoda]

Leon, please say it ain't so - no dinner, no set up, no you? Please reconsider. The National needs your face. John

[Huck]

I set up at both Baltimore Nationals. They were outstanding. Great hotels, restaurants, good parking, easy set up and collectors came in droves. Time will tell on Atlantic City. I know most dealers would love to see another Baltimoe National, but it will be a few years due to logistics. But I am looking forward to AC.

I had heard from many dealers that business was good in Baltimore. I had heard that one issue as to why the national has not returned to Baltimore is that the convention center will not book a date over a year out. I hope the national returns as well because it is closer to home.

[parker1b2]

Do you still need "an in" to get a reservation at Chef Vola? I had the pleasure of dining there twice over a decade ago and the food and overall experience was top notch!

Pretty much the same. Or you can try to call now for a reservation in August, but your phone call might not get returned. Very difficult to get in there for dinner.

If you never been, I agree you have to go to the White House Sub Shop.

[parker1b2]

Also, if anyone is going to be there for a few days with children, you should check out Ocean City NJ, about 10 miles south or so of AC . Best family boardwalk in NJ.

[Snapolit1]

Agreed. But not super convenient, as those 10 miles could take a lot longer than you'd figure in the summer.

[1952boyntoncollector]

go see Lucy the elephant in Margate..

[LuckyLarry]

I've never been to AC, but I'll agree with Daryl, the logistics seem like a nightmare. Last year I flew into ORD and took the free shuttle to my hotel. Took the free shuttle each day from my hotel to the convention. Took the free shuttle from my hotel to ORD for my return flight. It appears it would have been easier to fly from my home in Florida to the west coast. I'm leaning to just sitting this one out.
Larry
The ridiculous logistics are exactly the reason I won't make it this year. See you in Chicago!

[mrvster]

we will see you there............you will love it! :)

[brookdodger55]

I was just starting to think about the logistics last night so good timing on the thread.

I am interested to know your thoughts on getting to AC from Long Island. We are visiting family that week in LI (so I am not a local). The wife and I want to come down for a day of cards and night of dinner/gambling.

Should I just plan on driving down from LI or are there other convenient ways to get there such as train?

Also a dinner recommendation would be cool. thanks-

I would recommend the Tropicana, newly remodeled sports bars, shopping and dining mall, Carmine's Italian Family Style. Cuban Resturant, Mexican, Chinese, Starbucks, small gourmet shops, nice music bars all in a separate corridor. Gaming is excellent wide variety, very large poker room with daily poker tournaments.
I would drive down parking is $10 for the day with a free transfers.
Since the national is there they might have a shuttle bus to the show. I happen to be staying there on the Thrusday night. They have a great sports bar $8 bottles of barefoot wines cheap food but very good and $5 40 ounce bottles of beer. Check out the website.

[brookdodger55]

Driving in the NY area is by far my least favorite thing to do so I am keep the train route in mind...thanks for the info

I am leaving from Queens/Nassau boarder, 1 hour 15 minutes to get to Garden state parkway 1 hour 20 minutes from there 3 hours normal trip from Long Island. Leaving early in the morning 7-8 am on weekends gets you through the city in 40 minutes through the holland tunnel. Or leave at night. During the week in the morning unless leaving at 5am your looking at 2 hours to get through holland tunnel the key is no traffic is leave early on the right day or at night.

[Jewish-collector]

What's a good restaurant/bar within walking distance from the convention center ?

[EldoEsq]

I am leaving from Queens/Nassau boarder, 1 hour 15 minutes to get to Garden state parkway 1 hour 20 minutes from there 3 hours normal trip from Long Island. Leaving early in the morning 7-8 am on weekends gets you through the city in 40 minutes through the holland tunnel. Or leave at night. During the week in the morning unless leaving at 5am your looking at 2 hours to get through holland tunnel the key is no traffic is leave early on the right day or at night.

I live on the Nassau/Suffolk border...takes me about 2hrs 40 mins. Why on earth don't you take the Belt? Saturday morning there is no traffic...it is definitely quicker.

[Snapolit1]

Tropicana is a very good choice. Nice inside mall area with some nice restaurants. The Shereaton is a nice hotel but nothing there but a hotel. All by itself. Might be perfect for some people; others may find it a bit sterile. The Borgata and its attached Water Club are the gold standard in this area. Golden Nugget very nice too. None of the last 3 are on the boardwalk however.

[tedzan]

For you long distance out-of-state guys, your most convenient trip to the National this Summer is to fly into Philly Airport.

Then take the SEPTA train to the 30th Street Station and connect to the NJ Transit train to A/C.


Incidentally, the two Baltimore Nationals and Chicago (as usual) are my best shows in recent years.


TED Z

[KingFisk]

No train convenient from LI. I grew up there know it well. Have to drive unless you want to endure a casino bus.
Chef Vola. Best Italian. Good places in Tropicana. Like the Cuban place. Fun. Also the White House sub shop cannot be missed on any trip to AC. Trust me. Cannot be missed. Also highly recommend the Knife and Fork Inn. If you were a fan of Boardwalk Empire cannot be missed.

+1 on Chef Vola. Went there years ago for a bachelor party...as I recall you had to know a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy to get a table there. Food was unreal...

[buymycards]

Hard to believe the National is scheduled in a city without a decent airport. It will be an 18 hour drive each way for me, or I can drive 3 hours to Milwaukee for a flight, then to PA, then a couple of trains. I don't need this kind of hassle to go to a card show.

I'm thinking seriously about skipping the National this year and waiting for Chicago. Like one of the previous posters said, it is so easy in Chicago. I can save a couple of thousand bucks by skipping the AC national and spend it in Chicago next year.

Rick

[Snapolit1]

Drive is simple from Philly and not awful from Newark. Beats an 18 hour drive.

[iowadoc77]

I will save a TON of money this year by not going. Will wait until it gets back to Chi town. Have fun everyone.

[frankbmd]

Google Maps has recommended that I travel by kayak from the west coast. I have to leave next Wednesday though. Looking forward to the Panama Canal.;)

[iowadoc77]

Godspeed Frank. Safe travels.

[kmac32]

Google Maps has recommended that I travel by kayak from the west coast. I have to leave next Wednesday though. Looking forward to the Panama Canal.;)

Actually Frank, I was considering renting a covered wagon and doing a reverse Donner family trip. You want to go in on half?

[Vintagecatcher]

I'm hoping to be able to go the the National this year.

Curious about the Sneak Peak Night on Wednesday, August 3rd.

I know they have a general admission from 4pm-8pm.

Are you able to purchase cards/memorabilia during this Sneak Peak or is it simply a "peak" at what you can purchase on Thursday the 4th etc.?

Patrick

[Donscards]

I'm hoping to be able to go the the National this year.

Curious about the Sneak Peak Night on Wednesday, August 3rd.

I know they have a general admission from 4pm-8pm.

Are you able to purchase cards/memorabilia during this Sneak Peak or is it simply a "peak" at what you can purchase on Thursday the 4th etc.?

Patrick

Pat. Yes you can buy cards during the sneak peak night. I guess they call it sneak peak but it really is the show opening. Hope to see you there. Don

[byrone]

Actually Frank, I was considering renting a covered wagon and doing a reverse Donner family trip. You want to go in on half?

The Donner's would be accustomed to better food than that which is usually available on-site at the National

[Vintagecatcher]

Thanks Don.

Hope to make it there this year.

Patrick

[Head928]

This is a great thread already very helpful. Not sure on what to bring to the sell/trade bait. What will you dealers be looking for?

Do you as dealers buy more on Thursday/Friday in hopes to turn it during the weekend?

[herbc]

Got my admission pass, and my hotel reservation through the conference website last week. I'll be staying at Bally's. It's not too far from the convention center. There was nothing available at the Sheraton. I'll probably take a casino bus in from NYC.

[Jewish-collector]

I missed last year's National in Chicago. I hope to be in Atlantic City.

[Leon]

Actually Frank, I was considering renting a covered wagon and doing a reverse Donner family trip. You want to go in on half?

I am in. A wagon train sounds about right. However, I am still on the fence about going. It definitely won't be the same without Mike Berkus (RIP)......He was always so helpful to the board and myself, I am eternally grateful. I am also glad we got him to speak at the last 5? Net54baseball dinners.

But AC doesn't sound like good logistics overall so we shall see...

[CurtisFlood]

For you long distance out-of-state guys, your most convenient trip to the National this Summer is to fly into Philly Airport.

Then take the SEPTA train to the 30th Street Station and connect to the NJ Transit train to A/C.


Incidentally, the two Baltimore Nationals and Chicago (as usual) are my best shows in recent years.


TED Z

Baltimore was great. I've had both my best and worst National Show in Cleveland. The last one was great. Chicago is usually fairly steady, and doing the March and November shows there means I know more collectors in that venue. I would love to see the show in St. Louis or Kansas City one time, but if that isn't to be keep it in Cleveland or Chicago.

[iowadoc77]

Chicago!!!! But I am biased as it is just 5 hours away for me

[Snapolit1]

I've never been to a National before . . .the sneak peek preview for the public. . . . (think it may be Wednesday or Thursday night), can you buy then or is it just to look and plan your strategy?

[kailes2872]

The kids wanted to do NYC for a family vacation this year. So, we are doing NYC Sunday-Wednesday. Then, driving down to AC Wednesday night and staying at the courtyard. Walk the show Thursday and Friday during the day. Play cards at the Borgata Wednesday and Thursday night. Drive back home and make the 2 hour journey to Canton to see Marvin & Tony inducted on Saturday and then watch Colts & Packers battle in the HOF game Sunday night. I think I somehow won with this trip

[Snapolit1]

Yes, that's winning my friend. Well done!

Atlantic City has seen better days no doubt, but there is a lot of history there and some cool spots to have dinner. And play cards.

[iowadoc77]

We did the preview last year and it was great. Not so crowded and yes you can purchase. Many good deals to be had right away. Have fun!

[x2drich2000]

For anyone going, have you booked your room and, if so, where?

DJ

[Snapolit1]

I've told folks before, stay away from any place with Motel in the title. I wouldn't feel safe in many of them. Some real dicey places. Nice places:

Top of the line, best in class:
Borgata
Water Club
Golden Nugget

Perfectly nice:
Chelsea (no casino, boutique, half block from boardwalk)
Tropicana
Golden Nugget
Harrahs
Shereton (generic, nice, near nothing other that train station and I think walkable to National. But you will need a cab to anywhere. And not a casino hotel, which could be a plus or minus depending on your interests.)

OK:
Trump places
Marriot Courtyard
Caesars

[tschock]

Here's a thought, and something I've already done. Got a time-share exchange in Brigantine for a week from Sun-Sun for probably the cost of 1-2 nights at a hotel. We'll have a few days on the beach before the show and my better half can do her thing during the show days. Neither of us really gamble (though one could say she did on me), so it's wins all around.

[glynparson]

I never need to go back to Cleveland again and will be skipping any future nationals in that town.

[GaryPassamonte]

What about Bally"s?

[Snapolit1]

Sorry, Ballys is fine. Never stayed but seems to be a very nice property. Right on Boardwalk. Solid choice.

[Rich Klein]

if the train from downtown still goes directly to the IX Center, I think the best way to be in Cleveland is to stay downtown and commute to the show. That is as a collector

As a dealer, if you drive, any of the hotels nearby are fine since you can drive to the center OR drive to where you need to go. It's about 20 minutes to downtown from the IX Center.

As for AC -- its not impossible but just hard to get there from here. Spirit Airlines is fine if you can carry your stuff in a back pack and otherwise fly into Philly and figure out how to get to AC from there

And if coming into Philly -- I'd rent a car and stay in Absecon and commute in.

Now Chicago and Baltimore as a collector is easy. Fly in and take cabs

[Jewish-collector]

According to some earlier posts, they say it's easy from Philly to get to AC. Try to get there Rich !!! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink004.gif

[Snapolit1]

I did the train from Philly to AC once or twice. My recollection is that when you are at the train station in Philly 30th Street Station they call out trains to AC pretty often. My guess is at least once every hour. I recall a lot of people in their dealer and server outfits heading to work, sleeping, looked wiped out. It's also not expensive and is a lot easier than dealing with a rental car, directions, traffic, a safe parking lot, etc.

[Prince Hal]

If you go to Knife and Fork I highly recommend the Lobster Thermidor. I also recommend Girasole and in particular their carpaccio. the Sheraton is a nice, clean hotel and obviously well located for the convention center. The Tun Tavern there is a good spot for pub food and has great craft beers. The White House subs is fun but don't even bother to get a whole one. A bit outside the downtown area in Margate is a place called Tomatoes which is excellent.

[Jewish-collector]

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[T205 GB]

Baltimore was great. I've had both my best and worst National Show in Cleveland. The last one was great. Chicago is usually fairly steady, and doing the March and November shows there means I know more collectors in that venue. I would love to see the show in St. Louis or Kansas City one time, but if that isn't to be keep it in Cleveland or Chicago.

+1 on the KC show. So much to do and places to stay in KC now. A great town for sure

[kmac32]

How about a west coast national. Somewhere like San Diego or Long Beach. Great conference centers at each place and plenty to do outside the conference centers. Maybe catch a game at Petco or Anaheim

[Rich Klein]

Is that the preponderance of dealers would be coming from east of the Mississippi and don't want to travel that far.

Now, I get it that the National should move (including to DFW) but there are so many limitations as to where the show will be held.

Rich

[Mdmtx]

I was looking into booking flight, rental car and hotel and I decided it's not worth the expense. One reason, I'm 6'8" and 330 pounds. Airline seats aren't made for me unless I upgrade my upgraded upgrade. So being in 1500 if I eat and sleep cheap and near 2k if I eat princely and sleep on a bed of roses has turned me off.

Then I had an idea. Post on net54 and see if anyone that is driving and departing from Dallas/Fort Worth area, or near, or passing through and wants assistance driving. I would throw in a little gas too, 100 bucks or so. I know 100 is far less than half, that is why I'm seeking someone already going but needing driving help. I am a good long distance driver with a large bladder. Relatively witty, though my wit can't match frankmd judging by his posts. Anyway, if this interests anyone shoot me a pm and I will tell you more about me and see if the schedule will work.

Thanks,
Mark

[Snapolit1]

6' 8'' 330!!! Holy shite. That's WWE potential. I'm 6 feet tall and 230 and people call me a big guy! LOL. Hope it works out man. Would love to see you in AC.

[Mdmtx]

Lol. Never pursued wwe. Played defensive end at Kansas state until they felt my company would be better suited else where. I did mma in the alleys long before mma existed. Lol.

[Snapolit1]

God bless man. If I see some huge guy in AC towering over me I'm saying hello and buying you a drink.

[Scott L.]

I did mma in the alleys long before mma existed. Lol.

This made me laugh........and then think who the hell was dumb enough to head into that alley with you.

[sb1]

Lol. Never pursued wwe. Played defensive end at Kansas state until they felt my company would be better suited else where. I did mma in the alleys long before mma existed. Lol.

I'm guessing some Aggieville action. Spent a great deal of time there in the late 70's early 80's. And there was also quite a bit of action downtown at Cowboy Palace.

[Mdmtx]

Aggieville was a blast. Brothers was a favorite. Good times...

[4815162342]

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[Bobsbats]

Getting from Philly to AC might be the easiest ride you will have. Its more difficult to get out of the Philly airport, then once on the road getting to AC. Literally, going over the Walt Whitman bridge from Philly......you stay straight for 50+ miles straight to AC....LOL.

An easy commute for me, so I'll be there for sure.

Bob

[Stonepony]

Aggieville was a blast. Brothers was a favorite. Good times...

I lived above Kites in Aggieville while attending Kstate 1980-84

[sb1]

I frequented Dark Horse, Rockin K and Cowboy Palace downtown after hours during those years.

[Stonepony]

Kites, Mother's Worry, Dark Horse

[Jewish-collector]

Getting from Philly to AC might be the easiest ride you will have. Its more difficult to get out of the Philly airport, then once on the road getting to AC. Literally, going over the Walt Whitman bridge from Philly......you stay straight for 50+ miles straight to AC....LOL.

An easy commute for me, so I'll be there for sure.

Bob

Agree.

[Mdmtx]

Fun memories resurrected from the aggieville comments. Getting old isn't much fun.

[th38larg]

AC to NYC is a relatively easy drive also. Its a rough commute to do every day of the con, but you have the advantage of one of the best city in the world at your disposal. Easy to fly into as well.

As was mentioned by another poster, I'll probably take Casino buses back and forth between AC and Brooklyn. For those that don't know, these are buses run by the Casinos to bring in NYC patrons. Super cheap, sometimes free and some will even give you like a $20 voucher for whatever casino is running the bus.

[Rich Klein]

According to some earlier posts, they say it's easy from Philly to get to AC. Try to get there Rich !!! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink004.gif

My show partner's primary client is actually in DFW that weekend to play the Rangers and there is a good possibility we will be dong a private signing/small card show that weekend. If so, that would be a blast for me and I'm ready for 2017 in Chicago.

[Leon]

That is understandable.
I am still not decided completely but am leaning towards going. It's the one show I really like to make. And without setting up or having a Dinner to tend to, it might even be enjoyable again.

My show partner's primary client is actually in DFW that weekend to play the Rangers and there is a good possibility we will be dong a private signing/small card show that weekend. If so, that would be a blast for me and I'm ready for 2017 in Chicago.

[biggsdaddycool]

Anyone have an opinion on the Tropicana as far as being a good middle ground for proximity to family type activities vs the show.

Taking the wife and kids but last time we all went wasn't very appealing to the to be at the show so much. She was thinking they could go to a beach or places on the boardwalk to entertain while I was at the show, then they could go to the show in smaller doses.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks :)


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[Snapolit1]

I think the Trop is probably the single best hotel in AC to take a wife and kids who aren't into the show. There is a large indoor mall area ("The Quarter") that has some nice stores and great places to eat. There is an IMAX theater there kids are welcome at. And they are on the boardwalk/beach. As a footnote, also has a totally awesome fitness center if you are into working out. I'd totally recommend for families.

[Leon]

It's kind of an ebb and flow with me as to going or not :). Today I am not really "feeling" it. AC might be a good year to pass.....And with Mike Berkus's passing it won't be the same even if I do go. He was certainly a great hobbyist (to me) and did more for the hobby than most.


Getting to Atlantic City is so easy that the National had to send an email to tell us just how easy.

http://editor.des08.com/vo/?FileID=664c9fe7-293a-4c12-818a-b6990220bed6&m=e802d4e8-2878-4af1-a8a0-16b58f754c45&MailID=31773057&listid=9400

[jerrys]

The last NSCC in AC was in 2003. Here are a few snap shots from that event:

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[4815162342]

Wow, there were ones and ones of people there!

[kailes2872]

I spoke with Uncle Dick at the Robert Morris show on Friday. He said that this will be the first one that he misses in 33 years. He said that 2003 was the only one that he ever lost money at. He said that it was very light on Thursdsy Friday and they kept waiting for the traffic to pick up over the weekend but it never did - hotel rates doubled over the weekend and traffic getting out was a nightmare so folks stayed away. I'll be there so hopefully folks will be ready to deal to generate some volume.

[Bored5000]

Anyone have an opinion on the Tropicana as far as being a good middle ground for proximity to family type activities vs the show.

Taking the wife and kids but last time we all went wasn't very appealing to the to be at the show so much. She was thinking they could go to a beach or places on the boardwalk to entertain while I was at the show, then they could go to the show in smaller doses.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks :)


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I am not saying this to be dismissive or rude, but A.C. never really seems like much of a family destination, IMO. I am a huge fan of low limit poker, so I have probably been to Atlantic City 50-60 times in my life. Most of the shops on the boardwalk are very cheesy/tourist trap type of places and the city itself is a ghetto a few blocks off the boardwalk.

The Borgata is far, far and away the nicest casino in town, but it is in the marina district and not located on the boardwalk. Most of the casinos on the boardwalk have a tired, worn-out vibe to them.

Again, I am not trying to hate on the show. I hope it is hugely successful. But Atlantic City never really seems like much of a destination unless a person is going there to gamble or for a specific reason like a show or a concert. I say that just as a word of caution that your wife and kids may not enjoy A.C. as much as you hope they will. Atlantic City is a very grimy, adult-oriented city with many pawn shops, bars and adult themed venues.

On the whole, A.C. is dying. Four of the 12 casinos in town have closed since 2013 -- and more closings are expected. Legalized casino gaming in other states, especially Pennsylvania and Maryland, has just gutted A.C. in recent years. Personally, I have gone from going to A.C. 5-6 times a year to 1-2 times a year now that poker is legal in PA. As someone that has been going to Atlantic City only since the early 2000s, I can visibly see what a downturn the city has experienced just over the past five years.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/01/news/companies/atlantic-city-casinos-moodys/

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/atlantic-city-is-dying-112057

[Jewish-collector]

I completely agree with Eddie. It actually was a family destination BEFORE the casinos were built, but it is not now. If you are deciding to take the family, I would strongly recommend not to and go by yourself.

There was a vote for the 2016 National between Anaheim and Atlantic City. Many of the dealers voted Atlantic City (which won the vote) since the dealers didn't want the west coast site. The reason Atlantic City was even considered in this last vote was because basically the National show promoters will pay next to nothing for the Atlantic City convention center for this summers National. The 2003 National was horrible for dealers, but they were willing to try it again.

I personally think the Atlantic City show will be a total disaster, for a variety of reasons, many logistical as mentioned in earlier posts. Most west coast collectors will not attend, so that will eliminate a lot of those collectors. Most New Yorkers and Philly collectors who went to the Baltimore shows by car or train, will definately drive or take a train to this national. So, the show will look very similar to the Baltimore National in terms of attendees.

[Huck]

I had heard that dealers were really happy with the National being held in Baltimore. I surely enjoyed the short drive to attend the show. Is there any truth to the rumor that the problem with the Baltimore Convention center is events can't be booked more than a year out?

[Snapolit1]

I couldn't disagree more with people who say keep your family away from Atlantic City. Yes, the outer fringes are pretty gritty, but there is no reason to go there. If you stay on the Boardwalk I am sure your spouse and children will find plenty to keep themselves busy. Hotels have pools, there is a beach, is a great old time amusement part on the Boardwalk. Many sows, an Imax theater at the Tropicana. Many fun restaurants. Yes, it has an urban city vibe, and yes there's a chance to might see some seriously wacky people wandering down the boardwalk, but if you limit your walking around to the populated areas and don't stagger around like a drunken sailor you'll be fine.

Sort of reminds me of when I moved to NJ and my well meaning friends would tell me not to go see the Newark Bears. Yes, Newark NJ has a scary murder rate. But that had nothing to do with the Bears stadium, which was about 2 minutes off the highway. And no one went to the Bears and an amazing franchise disappeared.

[sb1]

I am still trying to find a reasonable mode of transport from Phil. Airport to the convention center(without going the train route). There seem to be several car/limo/ride share options but all that I seem to find are $200++ each way. What else is there? I see reference to some just over $100 online but can never find that price offered.

[LuckyLarry]

I've attended six Nationals: 1991 Anaheim, 1999 Atlanta, and the last four Baltimore, Chicago, Cleveland, Chicago.

I'm probably not going to attend this year in AC. Flying into CLE BWI and ORD has been a breeze, with easy to catch free or low cost shuttles from the airport to my hotel. In Baltimore I walked to the venue. In Chicago, the hotel provided a free shuttle to/from the show. Atlantic City just sounds like a pain.

From the National Sports Collectors Convention website http://nsccshow.com "About the National"

"Seeking to involve collectors from around the country, founders of the National stipulated that the event should move around the country to insure all collectors and exhibitors could participate."

Dealers need to vote to move the location around the country some, but Atlantic City wasn't the correct vote for me. I would have rather flown out to Anaheim.

Larry

[AddieJoss]

Spirit air does fly direct into AC from several cities. You need to check thier site as they aren't on most of the others.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

This should be a very active show given how heated the card market is currently. I'm betting even this less than optimal host city won't dampen the amount of $ thrown at dealers.

[tschock]

This should be a very active show given how heated the card market is currently. I'm betting even this less than optimal host city won't dampen the amount of $ thrown at dealers.

I think most of the dealers who will be there will do well. I also think that it will be a buyer's market. The dealers who might hurt are those with the high ticket items, IF the high ticket buyers don't show. But for the more average Joes (buyers and sellers), I think it will be a good show. Gut feel or wishful thinking, we'll see.

Not directed to AJ...

Y'all need to get a little more creative with your planning. In my case, this is the first year the wife will be able to come along. Will she go to the show? Maybe on one day for an hour or two. But since we got a time share exchange for a week on the beach in Brigantine for the price of one night's stay in an AC hotel, she'll be able to relax on the beach as much as she wants while I make the 15-20 minute drive to the convention center everyday. It's one way to keep her in a good mood while I probably spend more than I should at the show. :D

[icollectDCsports]

Any concerns walking directly to and from boardwalk and the convention center during daylight hours?

[Snapolit1]

I wouldn't have any concerns.

Taxis are plentiful in AC. And not particularly expensive. Definately the way to move around after dark.

[thetruthisoutthere]

This will be my first National and have a few questions.

I am only 90 minutes from AC, so getting there is not a problem.

I'm an autograph guy, so do I bring my own items to be signed or do I have to purchase them at the show?

Second, should I bring something to carry my stuff in?

Thanks guys.

[biggsdaddycool]

I have been to quite a few Nationals and I do some autographs, too.

Yes, you can bring your own items or buy things at the show. I've done both depending on who it is. The VIP bag will usually give you access to all of the freebie autos. Some people trade tickets to get extras of their favorites for ones they won't use.

And most definitely bring something to carry your stuff! I recommend a stand up rolling case, usually available in the suitcase sections of most stores. You can get one on the cheap, doesn't have to be expensive. I like those because you can carry everything from wax to balls to cases and binders to 8x10's!

I usually take some time before the show to organize my case for maximum viability.

Some regulars I can't wait to see, and new friends to meet!

You'll love it!


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[thetruthisoutthere]

Thank you, Mike.

I am looking forward to going there and meeting some fellow autograph collectors.

[Jewish-collector]

Chris - They have a fantastic selection of autograph guests !!!

[thetruthisoutthere]

Chris - They have a fantastic selection of autograph guests. See you in Atlantic City !!!

Absolutely.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Thanks guys.

One more question:

Do I bring my own items for the players to sign?

[biggsdaddycool]

Thanks guys.



One more question:



Do I bring my own items for the players to sign?



Like I said before, you can bring your own or you can purchase things there. I've done both depending on what I had or what I was looking to collect. Most prices are very fair.

You'll have a great time! :)


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[thetruthisoutthere]

Like I said before, you can bring your own or you can purchase things there. I've done both depending on what I had or what I was looking to collect. Most prices are very fair.

You'll have a great time! :)


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Thank you, Mike, you did reply to my question. Sorry.

I am looking forward to being there.

[biggsdaddycool]

Thank you, Mike, you did reply to my question. Sorry.



I am looking forward to being there.



That's cool. It was kinda long winded so I understand how it was missed.

We might only get there for the first 3 days this year. We'll see the closer it gets.

Either way, I hope to meet up with more than a few net54'ers.


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[thetruthisoutthere]

That's cool. It was kinda long winded so I understand how it was missed.

We might only get there for the first 3 days this year. We'll see the closer it gets.

Either way, I hope to meet up with more than a few net54'ers.


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I'll be there Friday and leave Saturday morning.

[thetruthisoutthere]

I'll be purchasing one of the VIP packages.

Does everything get mailed to me?

Thank you again.

[Gmrson]

I'll be purchasing one of the VIP packages.

Does everything get mailed to me?

Thank you again.

No, bring your printed ticket and they will scan it at will call and give you the VIP package.

[Steve_NY]

I keep hearing the same thing about Atlantic City. Some are coming and some are not. It is really getting to be boring.

It is still the best place to see 'most' of the best dealers in the country.

Who are you really hurting by not figuring out a way to get to A.C.? Just yourself -- if history repeats itself, there will still be plenty of people in attendance, and it appears that pre-sales are enough to predict that attendance should be in the 40,000 - 50,000 range.
Maybe that is true, maybe not, we will see.

What I do know for sure is that I have set up at every National except for the first 4, and my display will be the best I have ever put together in all of those years. I really don't do many other shows anymore, so this is your only chance to buy from me, and many other small business owners just like me who are set up every year.

Now you can wait until Chicago to see what I have to offer, but why wait another 12 months?

Your decision. Either way, I look forward to greeting anyone who does come to A.C.
If you don't come, it is still your loss.

Have a great summer!!!

Steve Sabow

[moeson]

For those attending, please be careful if you are staying at the Taj Mahal, Resorts or the Courtyard Marriott. My son just returned from a big Anime convention and described a mini-horror show, even on the Boardwalk sections away from the casino hotels. Characters abound and one unfortunately robbed his friend who had foolishly exposed his wallet when having a smoke by the Courtyard's rear entrance. I just canceled my Marriott reservation and booked into Bally's since it's so much closer to the Convention Center and Outlet Stores.

[Snapolit1]

I don't get it. If something happened at one hotel why are you naming three hotels???

[moeson]

It's not an attack on those properties. FWIW that section of the boardwalk gets a bit rougher, especially at night.

[wazoo]

How's this place?
Flagship All-Suites, a fantaSea Resort

[Snapolit1]

Never stayed; large tower. Assume it's ok but not a full service hotel I don't think. Probably more of a time share place.

[wazoo]

Never stayed; large tower. Assume it's ok but not a full service hotel I don't think. Probably more of a time share place.

Thanks for the info! Any cheaper or better alternatives if possible? It's booked on stand by.

[Snapolit1]

I called Chef Vola and easily got a res a few months ago. Summer might be more difficult. Angelo's Fairmont is off the strip and packs a lot of good local flavor. Is not Chef Vola's though. There is also Carmines near the Trop, in the attached mall ("The Quarter"). A chain but good, especially for large groups.

As far as hotels, I'd be careful with anything that looks like a cheap motel. Under $300 a night I'd say the Tropicana, Ballys and The Chelsea (not the annex part, that's gotten a little run down) are all solid choices.

If money is no object and you want the wife to be thrilled all weekend sporing for the Borgata or attached Water Club. Spas, outside pools with drinks, the whole 9 yards. Or the Golden Nugget.

Do not miss the White House sub shop. And do not order a whole sandwich. As long as your arm. Not kidding.

[Snapolit1]

Shereaton is in the middle of nowhere but is closest to the convention center and no casino, which means its quiet at night.

[packs]

To all the first timers: Atlantic City is not meant for you to walk around in. You go there to gamble. When you get to the place you're going, stay inside. I'm not surprised to hear about people being robbed who walk around at night. It's not a walking city, it's not a place you need to explore, it's attractions are clear cut: money. It doesn't matter if you won anything or even if you're not gambling at all, anyone who sees you walking around at night is going assume you've got a pocket full of house money. So be smart and you'll be fine.

[Stonepony]

To all the first timers: Atlantic City is not meant for you to walk around in. You go there to gamble. When you get to the place you're going, stay inside. I'm not surprised to hear about people being robbed who walk around at night. It's not a walking city, it's not a place you need to explore, it's attractions are clear cut: money. It doesn't matter if you won anything or even if you're not gambling at all, anyone who sees you walking around at night is going assume you've got a pocket full of house money. So be smart and you'll be fine.

yeaahh. Ill be staying home this year.

[packs]

That wasn't meant as an indictment against going. Atlantic City is fine so long as you don't make bad decisions. It's not a nice place by any means, but it's very easy to have a good time. Just stay where you are at night and do your walking in the day time. My point is to know where you're going.

[Snapolit1]

I treat AC the same as I would Miami, New Orleans, Houston, Atlanta and about 100 other cities: if you don't know your way around don't be walking around at night after dark. Taxis everywhere.
First time I went to Seattle 20 years ago someone tried to roll me. Grew up in NYC and never had an issue in my life. Things happen everywhere.

[Republicaninmass]

It's the same advice as anywhere

Don't whip your wallet out in a strange place
Don't drink too much, know your surroundings
Don't look like a tourist, walk with a 'porpoise'
To
Yes of fear pull out your phone and pretend like you are meeting someone close by


I'm sure I'm forgetting a few, but it isn't just Atlantic city

[tschock]

It's the same advice as anywhere
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Don't look like a tourist, walk with a 'porpoise'

Hmmm... wouldn't that actually be more like to draw attention your way? :D

[MikeGarcia]

There was a time when you could be arrested for crossing a state line for immoral porpoises.

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[Jewish-collector]

To all the first timers: Atlantic City is not meant for you to walk around in. You go there to gamble. When you get to the place you're going, stay inside. I'm not surprised to hear about people being robbed who walk around at night. It's not a walking city, it's not a place you need to explore, it's attractions are clear cut: money. It doesn't matter if you won anything or even if you're not gambling at all, anyone who sees you walking around at night is going assume you've got a pocket full of house money. So be smart and you'll be fine.

Don't walk around the area unless you're with a trained military swat team. :D

[4815162342]

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[x2drich2000]

Let's not forget, if you're flying into Philly, you'll first have to skirt by Camden before you even get to AC. So make sure you don't make the wrong turn :rolleyes:

DJ

[Leon]

Someone should create a detailed flowchart of both how to get to AC and how to live to tell about it.

LOL, whomever goes will have to give detailed accounts. I haven't heard it's real easy to fly in and out of, with long taxi rides etc.....I am sure it will be fun for those that go as I skip this one for the first time in about 15 yrs. I will be in ChiTown next year, God willing.

[ls7plus]

LOL, whomever goes will have to give detailed accounts. I haven't heard it's real easy to fly in and out of, with long taxi rides etc.....I am sure it will be fun for those that go as I skip this one for the first time in about 15 yrs. I will be in ChiTown next year, God willing.

Ditto!

Regards,

Larry

[Rich Klein]

And if you are worried about AC at night, you can stay in Absecon and drive in every day.

[Snapolit1]

Plenty of options, but what would be the point of the Internet if people didn't have things to complain about or to feign outrage over. Whole system could come crashing down in a matter of moments. And none of us wants that.

[yanks12025]

And if you are worried about AC at night, you can stay in Absecon and drive in every day.



That's where I'm gonna stay. Is it a safe part? Didn't really research but hotel was a lot cheaper then near the convention center.

[moeson]

Absecon is fine. I would just check some online motel/hotel reviews re:quality of facility.

[biggsdaddycool]

How far is Absecon from any beaches?


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[Snapolit1]

Longport Beach is located at the southern tip of Absecon Island, just south of Margate and Ventnor. The beach is small and quiet, clean and serene, with sunbathing, kayaking and surfing. Beach badges are required for all beach patrons over the age of 12. Regular beach tags are $15 and tags for senior citizens are $5.

Guarded beaches are open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. For information about ocean water conditions, lifeguards place “Beach Warning Flags” atop their lifeguard stands: green means safe, yellow means caution, red is hazardous and red flags with the no swimming sign indicate that no swimming is allowed.

[moeson]

Brigantine is about 15 minutes away. Be aware that most NJ beaches are not free and require badges during the day.

[MGHPro]

Atlantic city hotels are fine .. Yes there are bad parts of town but I would be comfortable staying in any of the regular casino hotels.

[moeson]

FWIW, the Casino workers Union just voted to strike at 5 of the remaining 8 casinos starting July 4th weekend.

[bcornell]

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[Jewish-collector]

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[Snapolit1]

Love some of the posts about how I am not going to Atlantic City because its unsafe at night. Wow. Didn't realize how many folks like to walk around urban cities in the middle of the night with a bankroll or rare cards falling out of their back pocket. Who knew?

Inconvenient? Is Philadelphia or NYC inconvenient to? If you fly into Philly (a major US airport last time I checked) you can rent a car or take one of the many short train rides (less than 40 minutes I think) that deposits you within spitting distance of the convention center. Sounds like every business trip I've ever taken.

Realize of course if you live across the country it sucks. I wouldn't be flying out to Aneheim for a card show. Or probably even Chicago. But lucky year for me as I drive to AC all the time.

[sb1]

It's really not that easy. Getting to Philly is easy. Getting to AC from there not so much.

Most of the rental cars are already taken and the prices were already well above normal($300 for 4 days) and then you get to pay the hotel to park it there.

The train is not real feasible if you have much stuff to tote around.

So far the cheapest direct limo/car service I have found is $135 each way, might be some shuttles with multiple stops a bit cheaper, but would take 2 hours plus to get to the center. Still checking though, going to check with RapidRover today.

[Donscards]

Thank God that we have a ton of East Coast Collectors!,! I still think this show will be a Blockbuster. There are a lot of collectors that don't like to fly to Chicago so this will be a chance to drive to the National.

[Jewish-collector]

Scott is right. It gets complicated. Another option is to fly into Newark airport & rent a car from there and drive to Atlantic City. There are several car rental shops at the Newark airport and driving to Atlantic City will take about 2 hours via the Garden State Parkway.

[AddieJoss]

Uber from philly, better than a rental car as you don't have to drive and cheaper.

[sb1]

So........after many emails and searches and phone calls, I believe i have found the cheapest and quickest transport co. Tropiano runs a shared ride from Phil Airport to the Sheraton direct(since it's their first stop) for $55 per person each way. They also pick up at most of the AC hotels for the trip back to Phil Airport.

[rgpete]

@ 2.5 to 3 hrs depending on traffic from Newark Airport to AC plus tolls, and AC is not a great place to visit

[4815162342]

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[rgpete]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160617/0c09baac2646b29a273a67d2f881e0ac.jpg

That BlockBuster must be in AC

[BengoughingForAwhile]

I'm starting to think Franks' idea of kayaking from CA through the Panama Canal to AC isn't such a bad idea after all. :cool:

A man a plan a canal panama

[Snapolit1]

Just thought in case it matters to anyone and is still available - the Shereaton is pet friendly. Think your dog has the be under 70 pounds.

[sb1]

The Sheraton has been sold out since the first of the year.

[herbc]

Thank God that we have a ton of East Coast Collectors!,! I still think this show will be a Blockbuster. There are a lot of collectors that don't like to fly to Chicago so this will be a chance to drive to the National.

Hey Don, I'll be looking for you in AC. I'll have my list with me. I don't understand all the negativity. AC is like any other tourist/casino area. We're all adults; I don't think anyone will be kidnapped. Just bring your common sense and all will be fine. :o.
Herb

[Mike (18colt)]

One could fly into Salisbury, MD, rent a car there, drive to Lewes, DE, take the Cape May-Lewes Ferry, and drive north from Cape May to AC.

If you're Air Force, hitch a flight into Dover AFB, get a car, go to Lewes, proceed as above. Or, hitch a flight into Maguire AFB, rent a car, drive south to AC.

Or, fly into Wilmington, DE, rent a car there, drive to AC, or take a variety of buses/trains to AC.

If I go? I'll have the wife, so probably Borgata for me. It had recently opened last AC national, and it was great then. And I'll take the ferry from Delaware. It's a relaxing ride.

[Snapolit1]

Borgata still very nice. Vegas quality joint.

[timzcardz]

Planning on doing a day trip myself, from Long Island, on that Saturday.

Coffee, Drive, Spend (leaving enough for return trip coffee), Coffee, Drive. :)

[Exhibitman]

Flying in from Los Angeles
Carrying cards for SGC
Don't rob me, please
Mr. AC Man

[ksabet]

Anyone staying at the Taj Mahal?..it was pretty cheap but I hear its become a poophole. Just wondering

[Snapolit1]

Its run down but for a weekend I think you'll be fine.

Definitely a little long in the tooth.

[CurtisFlood]

See you there. I'll be set up at Booth 153, not my first rodeo either. At my age it might be my last though.

Every show is a new adventure, I've been in a lot of big cities at night, and the folks talking about walking around at night make me cringe. You don't even want to do that in certain areas of San Diego. That goes back at least 100 years, so I can't see how anyone would expect AC to be completely crime free.

[brightair]

I haven't seen this covered before but apologize if it is a repeat.
I will be staying at a cheap motel some 7 miles out of town and am looking for inexpensive yet safe parking options within a few blocks of the convention center. (Uber will cost $35 each way from my motel in Absecon!!)
I can't find definite info on convention center parking but have heard stories that it is very limited and expensive. Don't mind walking a few blocks as long as it is safe around 9am and 5pm. Anyone have definite info/suggestions? garages? casinos? I'll be staying for the week and helping one of the dealers - Sam Majors.
Richard D
I've been to Nationals before in Baltimore, Cleveland and Chicago and am surprised at how difficult the logistics are in AC, unless you are willing to fully open your wallet (which I am not).

[MGHPro]

There's parking under the convention center and across the street. There is valet about 2 blocks away and then all of the hotels have parking. If you have to walk from the boardwalk hotels to the convention center you can do it.. its a little walk but I've done it many times. I think most people will be able to find parking at the convention center though.
Matt

[thetruthisoutthere]

This will be my first National.

I will be there Friday.

I am looking forward to meeting some of the members in person.

[Vintagecatcher]

Here is the link with regards to the Atlantic City Convention Center Parking:

http://meetac.com/meet/ac/parking-and-transportation

Parking is $15.00 per day.


Patrick

[brightair]

Patrick,
Thanks for the convention parking link.
Next question, since apparently there is other parking around, and I don't mind walking, is $15 / day reasonable in AC, or is there much cheaper and just as safe elsewhere within walking distance?
I've heard that perhaps the convention parking may be the best deal, what do people think?
And do you need to reserve a spot?
Thanks again!
Richard

[Snapolit1]

I'd stick with convention parking or if you are a large hotel maybe there. $15 for a day is about as good as you will find.

[mrvster]

like to thank steve for being a great guide on behalf of the Garden State! Thanks Steve!!!


I will be chasing Wagner at the show;).......I am looking for a table to set up at with "The Circus".....

possibly be at table where "Rare Sports Films " sets up......I will be there Saturday ....and maybe Sunday set up....:confused:??? more details as we get close.....as I live in Jersey and will drive each day...


if you have a 206 Wagner or the means to trade for "The Circus"....I'm am there to display and listen to offers:)

this will be my first national and I'm stoked to meet board members and see what's out there!!!


more to come...............

[WillBBC]

This will be my first National since Baltimore in '12 or whenever that was and I am very much looking forward to it. Growing up in Jersey and visiting Atlantic City about 730893 times has me even more excited. No, it's not the cleanest looking city in the country, nor is it the most interesting if you don't like gambling, but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Use common sense, stay on or near the boardwalk/Marina, avoid back alleys at 2:00 a.m. and you'll be just fine.

I'll probably spend more money at a blackjack table than I will on the show floor but it's all in good fun!

[polakoff]

I'll be sharing booth 2220 with a friend. Will have nothing but 50s-70s vintage at budget prices. .25, .50, $1, $2, $3, $5 boxes with other low-mid end cards priced cheaply. I will not have bulk, but will have great deals. Mainly hoping to make enough money that I can buy some stuff for my PC.

Will be my first National. Looking forward to meeting some of you all.

[Jewish-collector]

I'll be sharing booth 2220 with a friend. Will have nothing but 50s-70s vintage at budget prices. .25, .50, $1, $2, $3, $5 boxes with other low-mid end cards priced cheaply. I will not have bulk, but will have great deals. Mainly hoping to make enough money that I can buy some stuff for my PC.

Will be my first National. Looking forward to meeting some of you all.

Budget prices ? Oh hell yeah.

[buymycards]

I am curious about something. The emails that I have been receiving from the National all say "limited dealer tables still available". Is it unusual that all of the table space is not filled when we are only a month away from the start?

Rick

[polakoff]

Budget prices ? Oh hell yeah. See you there, David !!!

Very much so! Look forward to meeting you. I don't know many other Jewish collectors besides me!

[Leon]

I am curious about something. The emails that I have been receiving from the National all say "limited dealer tables still available". Is it unusual that all of the table space is not filled when we are only a month away from the start?

Rick

My experiences, from what I remember :), have always been that there is always more room for another table, especially at $1k and up......

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[polakoff]

My experiences, from what I remember :), have always been that there is always more room for another table, especially at $1k and up......

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Don't think this is the case as they have to submit a floor plan ahead of time for fire department reasons, etc

When my buddy and I picked our tables a few months back there were 4 booths left.

[Snapolit1]

I know this topic was debated a bit a few months back . . . but do most vendors at the National take credit cards for high ticket items? Put another way, if you are buying a pricey card are you expected to be toting a big roll of $20s? I don't mind the cash aspect, but the ATM fees piss me off. Yes, charge me $5.99 to access my money. And there is a $200 limit.

[CurtisFlood]

I know this topic was debated a bit a few months back . . . but do most vendors at the National take credit cards for high ticket items? Put another way, if you are buying a pricey card are you expected to be toting a big roll of $20s? I don't mind the cash aspect, but the ATM fees piss me off. Yes, charge me $5.99 to access my money. And there is a $200 limit.

Just take a big roll of 100 dollar bills and a small roll of fifties. Cash is the preferred medium of exchange at most all big shows.

ATM fees that high should be illegal.

[peterose4hof]

Just take a big roll of 100 dollar bills and a small roll of fifties. Cash is the preferred medium of exchange at most all big shows.

ATM fees that high should be illegal.

You should see what the ATM fees are at the strip club. Er, uh, so I've heard. ;)

[tschock]

You should see what the ATM fees are at the strip club. Er, uh, so I've heard. ;)

Yeah, but no one wants to carry around that big of a stack of ones at the National. ... or so I've heard. :cool:

[CurtisFlood]

You should see what the ATM fees are at the strip club. Er, uh, so I've heard. ;)

I was once enlisted to escort a former professional running back to numerous strip clubs. I did not tip, don't drink, but can appreciate a fine figure. The big problem is you have a hard time seeing them through the smoke haze.

The running back had a fine time I am happy to report.

[Stonepony]

I was once enlisted to escort a former professional running back to numerous strip clubs. I did not tip, don't drink, but can appreciate a fine figure. The big problem is you have a hard time seeing them through the smoke haze.

The running back had a fine time I am happy to report.

I'd keep " male escort" off your resume'...just sayin'

[Rich Klein]

Better question

Did he make it rain?

[Snapolit1]

On a more serious but no less inappropriate note, there are a slew of gentleman type clubs off the strip in AC. I have never partook in any of them. Putting aside that all such establishments draw a dicey crowd, I would imagine AC could run a little too seedy for comfort. If anyone is heading to AC and would like to do their part in supporting unwed mothers and other nice ladies, I'd stick to the large Scores out post on the strip at the Taj Mahal. I hear its a nice place.

[Jewish-collector]

In the past, I would attend a sports card show during the day & then go to a strip club at night. Seriously. No joking. Because, sometimes you gotta say, 'WTF" :D:D:D:D:D

[CurtisFlood]

I'd keep " male escort" off your resume'...just sayin'

Poorly worded. Should have used drive instead of escort I suppose.

[CurtisFlood]

Better question

Did he make it rain?

Amazingly enough, yes he did! Ladies played it well and were well rewarded.

[Jantz]

For all the board members attending the National, booth #329 should be your first stop. Unless you're too old to handle the NOIZZZE!!!!

Marshall B. in da hizzle!

[mrvster]

Everyone Is GOING to have a BLAST!!!




:)


AC is AWESOME:D


bring your wagners to trade with me:D

[mrvster]

trying to set up Saturday With "RARE SPORTS FILMS" booth.....not sure of the # yet.......still working on details........

[vintagewhitesox]

Just booked flight and hotel for Thursday-Saturday. Can't do it for a whole week with a 2 1/2 yr old and 6 month old at home. Settting up at booth 440 with MSB sports/BST auctions.
Will have plenty of T206s and some vintage hockey:eek:


Looking forward to seeing everyone

[e107collector]

I'm planning on attending Saturday. Hopefully, I will get to put a face to some of the fellow board members. This will be my first National.

I live in NE PA, and most of the local bus co.'s have day trips to AC everyday. For $50.00, I can go round trip to AC, and don't have to worry about gas, tolls, aggravation, etc.

Can't wait!!

Tony

[CurtisFlood]

trying to set up Saturday With "RARE SPORTS FILMS" booth.....not sure of the # yet.......still working on details........

I know that guy. Has some interesting stuff.

[hangman62]

Marshall in da ho !..Im there !

[baker85]

This will be my first national. Pretty excited.

[packs]

Are they ever going to put the autograph prices on the website?

[CurtisFlood]

Are they ever going to put the autograph prices on the website?

They might be ashamed.

[Head928]

Are they ever going to put the autograph prices on the website?

The autograph prices are listed by clicking on the person you want.

http://tristarproductions.com/National/

[bnorth]

They might be ashamed.

Holy BLEEP, I looked and they should be ashamed.:eek:

[Paul S]

Holy BLEEP, I looked and they should be ashamed.:eek:

I was ashamed to look...but I did. Can't wait for my photo op w/ Sheffield.

[Snapolit1]

Might go for the combo Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair photo. That could be a life changing event as well as a wonderful holiday card.

[packs]

The autograph prices are listed by clicking on the person you want.

http://tristarproductions.com/National/


Ah didn't realize you had to go to TriStar's site to get the list.

[Head928]

Getting a Joe Namath jersey or helmet signed with "Broadway" will only run you $500.....more power to Tristar as they obviously have the demand for those prices.

[Snapolit1]

Why should anyone be ashamed to charge a price for something that people line up around the block for with smiles on their face? No one's arm is being twisted as far as I can tell.

[packs]

You should be ashamed because there are probably countless young fans who can't afford your autograph because you'd rather make an extra buck than a new friend. You should also be ashamed to charge anyone a price to take a photo with you.

[Snapolit1]

C'mon . . . I'm sure most of these guys have signed 10,000s of autographs no charge. For some of these people it might be their only retirement income or only hope of contributing to their grand kids college costs or paying for a family members medical bills. I don't begrudge them the right to have people line up and tell them how important they were in their lives. If people want to pay for it they can pay for it.

[4815162342]

You should be ashamed because there are probably countless young fans who can't afford your autograph because you'd rather make an extra buck than a new friend. You should also be ashamed to charge anyone a price to take a photo with you.


That's a little harsh.

[packs]

Is it? Donovan McNabb is charging $100 for you to take a photo with him. That price does not include an autograph. Mariano River is charging $250 to take a photo with him. Make your money, more power to you, but I still think the way you make your money says something about you.

[4815162342]

Is it? Donovan McNabb is charging $100 for you to take a photo with him. That price does not include an autograph. You think that's reasonable? That doesn't seem grimey to you? Mariano River is charging $250 to take a photo with him. How many kids do you think have $250 to spend on taking a photo with someone?


I wouldn't pay it, but if that's what the market demands, who am I to judge?

[packs]

It's not what the market demands. It's a set fee that the player or his representatives establish. It's taking advantage of people. No one is bidding to take a photo with McNabb or Rivera. That's where the shameful aspects of it come in.

[PM770]

Is it? Donovan McNabb is charging $100 for you to take a photo with him. That price does not include an autograph. Mariano River is charging $250 to take a photo with him. Make your money, more power to you, but I still think the way you make your money says something about you.

I'm not sure the bolded is exactly true. The show pays McNabb and Rivera a flat rate to show up, which they wouldn't do otherwise. The show organizers then decide how much to charge for a pic, autograph, whatever.

[PM770]

It's not what the market demands. It's a set fee that the player or his representatives establish. It's taking advantage of people. No one is bidding to take a photo with McNabb or Rivera. That's where the shameful aspects of it come in.

Of course its a market transaction. The fee is set by the show and people decide whether to pay or not. It is a market transaction.

And its not "taking advantage" of anyone. You are getting exactly what is advertised - a pic with McNabb for a $100. If that price is too steep don't pay it. I won't. That's the market working.

[packs]

Well when I went to shows when I was younger taking a photo was an expectation with your autograph fee. It wasn't a separate price. There are separate tickets for photos and autographs because one doesn't include the other. My overall point is that just because a dollar can be made doesn't mean it should be made.

[Snapolit1]

Mariano Rivera gives millions to a church he built from a dirt pile. I'm not spending his or anyone else's money. You have no idea what their needs are or what they are doing with the money.

[packs]

I don't see what that has to do with charging people $250 to take a photo with you. Can't you take a photo with a person who pays you to write your name?

[Snapolit1]

He's getting an appearance fee to attend.

People pay $750,000 to have breakfast with Warren Buffett. It takes all types.

[jeromebelasco]

We are flying in from England for my first National, would love to get together with anyone else who might be stopping at Harrah's Resort or indeed anywhere else in AC!

[MGHPro]

Any dealers have an extra badge with Tuesday set up they want to sell ?
Pm me
Thanks
Matt

[Huck]

I plan to drive up from Virginia, early Sunday morning. Traffic wise, what can I expect? Beach traffic heading to MD or DE beaches is unbearable. The plan is to leave around 6 am, which would put me in AC before 10 am. I figure the 1000 parking spots at the convention center will be gone by that hour.

Thoughts?

[hangman62]

Yes ..don't worry

[vintagesportscollector]

I plan to drive up from Virginia, early Sunday morning. Traffic wise, what can I expect? Beach traffic heading to MD or DE beaches is unbearable. The plan is to leave around 6 am, which would put me in AC before 10 am. I figure the 1000 parking spots at the convention center will be gone by that hour.

Thoughts?

NJ shore traffic can be a bear too. Leave yourself plenty of time.

[MikeGarcia]

I plan to drive up from Virginia, early Sunday morning. Traffic wise, what can I expect? Beach traffic heading to MD or DE beaches is unbearable. The plan is to leave around 6 am, which would put me in AC before 10 am. I figure the 1000 parking spots at the convention center will be gone by that hour.

Thoughts?




...if you are coming from Eastern Coastal Virginia , you might want to look at a map and plot a drive to Lewes , Delaware----the ferry from there to Cape May puts you in Southern NJ quickly and with a relaxed demeanor.....if you are coming from the I-95 areas of the DC suburbs , then all bets are off and Vaya Con Dios.

..

[Huck]

...if you are coming from Eastern Coastal Virginia , you might want to look at a map and plot a drive to Lewes , Delaware----the ferry from there to Cape May puts you in Southern NJ quickly and with a relaxed demeanor.....if you are coming from the I-95 areas of the DC suburbs , then all bets are off and Vaya Con Dios.

..

I am coming from the DC area. So, traffic to AC is going to problematic?

[MikeGarcia]

I am coming from the DC area. So, traffic to AC is going to problematic?



...Problematic ..I like that.....Problematic----


...yeah , that's the ticket...

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[Huck]

...Problematic ..I like that.....Problematic----


...yeah , that's the ticket...

.

Oh, I so don't want to sit in non-moving traffic for hours to get to AC. Now I am thinking about not attending the show.

[bigfanNY]

I unfortunately have traveled the I95 route many times and find it works out MUCH better if I can avoid rush hours. My advice is to leave later say 930 10am you will have an hour and a half drive that wont be bad and will enjoy the rest of the day. Looking forward to NATIONAL...

[Huck]

I unfortunately have traveled the I95 route many times and find it works out MUCH better if I can avoid rush hours. My advice is to leave later say 930 10am you will have an hour and a half drive that wont be bad and will enjoy the rest of the day. Looking forward to NATIONAL...

Unfortunately, I collect autographs and some of the guests are signing at 11 am, so I can't leave later.

[Huck]

...if you are coming from Eastern Coastal Virginia , you might want to look at a map and plot a drive to Lewes , Delaware----the ferry from there to Cape May puts you in Southern NJ quickly and with a relaxed demeanor.....if you are coming from the I-95 areas of the DC suburbs , then all bets are off and Vaya Con Dios.

..

Mike,

The Lewes ferry might be less problematic. What is the traffic situation from Cape May to AC, on a Sunday morning? How long is the ferry ride from Lewes to Cape May?

Thanks!

[rgpete]

Mike,

The Lewes ferry might be less problematic. What is the traffic situation from Cape May to AC, on a Sunday morning? How long is the ferry ride from Lewes to Cape May?

Thanks!

You might need a reservation, just from my past experience summertime vacations

[rgpete]

The Garden State Parkway sucks during the summer all beach traffic and the tolls, North and South especially going south starting at Sayreville, NJ through Toms River

[Huck]

You might need a reservation, just from my past experience summertime vacations

Thanks. While checking the Lewes to Cape May route, I found the ferry information and reservation system. The ferry ride is 80 minutes and then AC is another hour up the road from the Cape.

[maddux311]

I have yet to make any reservations for the National as I just worked it out so I can attend. I know reservations anywhere in AC will be tough, ideas on where else would be feasible? I am coming up from NC early in the week. Also, what would be the best avenue to get VIP tickets? Thanks for the suggestions.

[Rich Klein]

I would imagine the NSCC web site still has MVP tickets available. Once ordered, you can pick up at the door in case you are worried about receiving them in the mail in advance.

And I know many people are staying in Absecon. I heartily recommend doing that and driving in each day if you can't find a place in AC

Rich

[bigfanNY]

I see on Ticket website they ask for a promo code to get a discount on admission If anyone has one they could share please pm or post.

[Kco]

I don't see what that has to do with charging people $250 to take a photo with you. Can't you take a photo with a person who pays you to write your name?

A little late here, but I feel the need to chime in on this question from the other side of the table as I've done several signings during my nearly decade in the industry.

If Mariano were to stop and take a photo with every single fan, and the line is 300-400 people long, maybe even bigger, it would literally add 2-3 hours of time to his signing session which would substantially reduce the amount of time visitors could spend at booths, getting other signatures or otherwise use during the day to spend money elsewhere. This, inevitably, would cost everyone involved a lot of money, which, whether you would like to admit it or not, is what the National is all about from every angle.

Additionally there are literally dozens upon dozens of signings each day at all times. Then, what if the first photo isn't great, then you want another, or more than one, its a slippery slope. If you don't like the cost of signers, don't buy/pay for it. That simple.

If you don't like the prices don't buy the auto/photo op, I've passed on plenty of players because their prices were just a bit to high for my liking. I regret only once not buying into a signing. If enough people don't buy it two things will happen:

A. That athlete will substantially drop their price or
b. They wont be doing future signing because no one will want them at their ridiculous prices.

[Huck]

If Mariano were to stop and take a photo with every single fan, and the line is 300-400 people long, maybe even bigger, it would literally add 2-3 hours of time to his signing session which would substantially reduce the amount of time visitors could spend at booths, getting other signatures or otherwise use during the day to spend money elsewhere. This, inevitably, would cost everyone involved a lot of money, which, whether you would like to admit it or not, is what the National is all about from every angle.



Funny, but Cal Ripken manages to take pictures with anyone who pays for an autograph ticket. Which makes sense because, he is the iron man. Cal KNOWS he is going to be there for a substantial amount of time. Cal signs 15-20 items, gets up and someone from his organization takes a picture with your camera. I just checked the Tristar site and the autograph ticket entitles the ticket holder to a photo with Cal with your camera. His autograph is not cheap at $159, but at least he is not doubling up and charging for the photo op as well.

Cal gets it.

[BigSix]

I will be attending the convention in Atlantic City this year and appreciate all the insight provided by Snapolit1 and others. I will definitely visit the Knife and Fork Inn and the White House Sub Shop. In regard to lodging, I’m staying at the Tropicana. I was just advised by a co-worker to check out the bed bug registry website and noted that all the host hotels have numerous complaints of bed bug sightings. I assumed this is the exception rather than the norm but wanted to ask others on the board who have lodge in AC to comment on their experiences. I appreciate anyone sharing their experiences and hopefully all positive.

[Snapolit1]

Never once had an issue anywhere in AC, including the Trop.