What happened here - "headless" t222 Oldring

[shammus]

Top card pictured is mine, bottom one is how the card normally looks. Not entirely sure how this photo came to exist without the player's head so I thought I'd get some opinions. Could the missing head be due to a flaw in the original print run? I don't think the photo itself that was used could be flawed could it? It would be that way on all the t222 Oldrings... If you look close, you'll see that the left border is also faded out a bit yet aside from that, the bottom half of the card is completely intact and still possesses a sharp photo.

Are t222s subject to fading over time at all? I've never really seen that before on t222s or t200s. I've never seen any printing flubs on either of those sets though in general, however.

Looking forward to reading some of your thoughts...

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[mrvster]

Ichabod OIdring???:D

[Jobu]

It looks to me like it came into contact with a liquid that erased the ink. It is a top secret process called "gone with the image" that is the result of years of tinkering and perfecting the formula. Seriously though, it looks like there are some texture differences on the top that might suggest liquid.

[steve B]

Looks to me like the image either didn't get enough light, or enough developing fluid. No ink usually involved in photos, and true B+W doesn't usually fade if it's been developed properly.

Steve B

[swarmee]

Looks to me like the image either didn't get enough light, or enough developing fluid.

That's what I figured as well. Looks like a photograph that was not fully exposed during the photography process.

[shammus]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback :). If it was indeed the photo that didn't get enough ink, exposure, etc... During the photography process, wouldn't other Oldrings have this same issue?

Bryan, that's certainly a solid point as well. However, the texture of the card is actually perfectly smooth. The swirling you see that appears to be texture is actually a crummy plastic toploader that the card is loaded in. There's no change in texture at all throughout the entire card except for that top right corner.

I'll try to post a better scan of the card later on....one of the card outside the top-loader.

Btw....there isn't any way that there could be this much ink loss if someone tried to soak a t222 could there?

[jlehma13]

His head's gone. It's like its been erased. Erased from existance!

[swarmee]

His head's gone. It's like its been erased. Erased from existance!

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[steve B]

There might be others. Since they're photographs I don't know if T222s were done as sheets or individually. There's a few places in the photo process this could have happened, most would be a one time only sort of thing. If they used multiple negatives and one got some light exposure that would also cause the same problem, but it would be odd for it to get all the way into production. If they were done as contact prints- Negative and paper placed under glass and exposed - the effect seen would be almost impossible. If done with an enlarger type apparatus something could have blocked the light during the exposure. Or for any, the tray of developer could have been low and/or the paper curled causing a section to not get developed. I think that's the most likely since it's done on the dark and whoever was doing it was probably doing a bunch of them so they'd have had multiple cards/sheets in different developing trays and could have missed a mistake like this.

Steve B



Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback :). If it was indeed the photo that didn't get enough ink, exposure, etc... During the photography process, wouldn't other Oldrings have this same issue?

Bryan, that's certainly a solid point as well. However, the texture of the card is actually perfectly smooth. The swirling you see that appears to be texture is actually a crummy plastic toploader that the card is loaded in. There's no change in texture at all throughout the entire card except for that top right corner.

I'll try to post a better scan of the card later on....one of the card outside the top-loader.

Btw....there isn't any way that there could be this much ink loss if someone tried to soak a t222 could there?

[Leon]

My first thought was chemicals. But poor developing is possible too.

[PM770]

We must go back! Back to the Future! (Oct 22, 2015)

Who is in the World Series?

Have the Cleveland Browns won a game yet?

[Jobu]

I came across this and it made me think of your Oldring.

[shammus]

That does remind me of the oldring funny enough. I did a quick look though on google images and it seems that Konetchy is supposed to look like that at least :)

[bcornell]

Brian - I remember Headless Rube from a long time ago on eBay, circa 2003. Based on the appearance of the backs, this card and several others were burned; the heat caused the weirdness with the pictures.

http://thetraderspeaks.com/images/t222/bad/oldring.jpg http://thetraderspeaks.com/images/t222/bad/brown.jpg http://thetraderspeaks.com/images/t222/bad/maisel.jpg http://thetraderspeaks.com/images/t222/bad/murray.jpg http://thetraderspeaks.com/images/t222/bad/brown_back.jpg http://thetraderspeaks.com/images/t222/bad/maisel_back.jpg http://thetraderspeaks.com/images/t222/bad/murray_back.jpg

[shammus]

Hey Bill - thanks for writing and taking the time to dig up those scans. Yep, looks like my Oldring was in with those others you have there. It does have a tiny bit of browning at the top center as well that's consistent with the other back scans you showed. That's too bad. Burned eh? Well, that's not nearly as cool as being able to say "I have a card that has a neat flaw in the photo...". "damaged in a fire..." just doesn't have the same ring to it :)

But, I appreciate your insight and it's neat that you can remember that group from such a long time ago. Hope all is well with you!

[Joshchisox08]

Ichabod OIdring???:D

Ahhh MRVSTER, I'm not sure the group is ready for the tale of the Headless Oldring.