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Iron_man
07-24-2015, 09:38 AM
Hey guys,
Quick question what is the current thoughts on the 2001 Albert Pujols bowman chrome? So I've mainly been focusing in on buying more vintage cards than anything else but this is one of the modern cards that has always had interest in.
I'm just curious how you think the value of this card will go (up or down) as he is winding down his career and where he maybe end up on the all time HR list.
Just curious b/c it's still an expensive card and wanted some thoughts before dropping the money on one.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
sbfinley
07-27-2015, 04:30 PM
Personally I feel it's a relatively safe card. Prices held relatively strong as he struggled last year and I assume (as I don't particularly follow the card) that it has risen a bit with his strong 2015. Chrome is king, there is a 0% chance of pulling this card from a pack, and he'll likely retire top 5 in homers and rbi's so it has that going for it. The future of HoF chrome auto RC's is a great unknown of the hobby and Albert will likely to be the first litmus.
dzolot
08-11-2015, 08:15 PM
My understanding is that the early 2001 bowman chrome boxes have the card as a redemption, but the boxes issued later in the year have the card in packs. Can anyone confirm if this is the case?
packs
08-12-2015, 11:35 AM
I think it will go down as a premier card of the time. Like the 89 UD Griffey is for the era before him. For a base card the UD Griffey still sells for a high premium compared to all other cards of its time.
yanksfan09
08-14-2015, 11:55 AM
I think it should hold its value. The only thing that would give me hesitation is the possibility of a PED scandal with his name attached to it at some point in the future. Guess that comes with the territory of any player playing today though. I know Jack Clark accused Pujols of using but I've never seen any evidence of it and am not saying I think he used, I have no idea. There's so many players from this era that we just will never know for sure on. I would think the Pujols RC's should be safe as long as no evidence ever came out against him. Just my opinion. Obviously Mcgwire, Bonds, and ARod cards got hammered when evidence came out.
ls7plus
10-02-2015, 04:26 PM
I think it should hold its value. The only thing that would give me hesitation is the possibility of a PED scandal with his name attached to it at some point in the future. Guess that comes with the territory of any player playing today though. I know Jack Clark accused Pujols of using but I've never seen any evidence of it and am not saying I think he used, I have no idea. There's so many players from this era that we just will never know for sure on. I would think the Pujols RC's should be safe as long as no evidence ever came out against him. Just my opinion. Obviously Mcgwire, Bonds, and ARod cards got hammered when evidence came out.
Jack Clark's accusation was allegedly based upon what Pujols' trainer told him--why would the trainer or Clark lie in this respect? Clark only backed down when Pujols threatened a law suit, which surely would have been ill-advised from Albert's standpoint, since the trainer could be compelled to testify, and if he took the 5th, granted immunity (I hardly think that he would be willing to go to jail a la Bonds' guy). Also, Pujols is a public figure, which from a legal standpoint means a showing of malice on Clark's part would have to have been made. Pujols was bluffing, and Clark should have called him on it. Plus, I've seen Albert in a tight-fitting T-shirt, and he's as big as Canseco ever was.
Just my 2 cents,
Larry A. Smith
I think it should hold its value. The only thing that would give me hesitation is the possibility of a PED scandal with his name attached to it at some point in the future. Guess that comes with the territory of any player playing today though. I know Jack Clark accused Pujols of using but I've never seen any evidence of it and am not saying I think he used, I have no idea. There's so many players from this era that we just will never know for sure on. I would think the Pujols RC's should be safe as long as no evidence ever came out against him. Just my opinion. Obviously Mcgwire, Bonds, and ARod cards got hammered when evidence came out.
being a cardinals fan, I always suspected pujols of PED's. He was built a lot like the guys who were caught, and the numbers were just really high.
but who knows
ALR-bishop
10-03-2015, 11:14 AM
I have no idea if Pujols used or uses PEDs, but I would not have gone public with allegations that he did based on what someone else told me, especially if that person had not gone public with the allegation. Clark may have been advised not to call Pujol's bluff without some available corroboration
Ryan1125
10-05-2015, 02:36 PM
Every time I see one for sale, it's expensive! From what I understand it pretty much started the whole "Bowman Chrome Rookie Auto" craze that is still around today... The player's 1st Bowman Chrome autograph is their most prized card for collectors. I'm also pretty sure there were only /499 available...
I also think Pujols did steroids IMHO but he appears to have slipped by unscathed with little to no effect on his card values! ;)
Coninefan
10-07-2015, 11:41 AM
There are only 350 or so in circulation. Not all of them were redeemed.
It's an iconic card. A lot of them have been altered, either by trimming (it was notoriously off-centered) or by wiping the auto clean and resigning it. There are also six 5/500 autos out there. Who knows which one is actually real.
If you ever decide to buy, do some research first. Look up "2001 Pujols autograph" on ebay. See how nearly all of them signed in '01 are slanted heavily to the right? Fakes are very loopy. Most were signed years later around 2005, either by Pujols or Kevin Burge.
http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/showthread.php/33212-MUST-READ-2001-Albert-Pujols-Bowman-Chrome-Rc-MUST-READ
ls7plus
10-08-2015, 04:26 PM
"Only" is a very relative term, I suppose. Either 350 or 499 would not even be considered scarce in the context of prewar. From the standpoint of all-time icons, it is grossly overpriced. Examples: 1939 V351 Worldwide Gum Ted Williams rookie, with a total of just 3 graded by both PSA and SGC--recent sale of one example in SGC Ex (to me) at $4,050; 1907 Dietsche Fielding Pose Cobb rookie--with I believe a total of 8 graded by both PSA and SGC (its been some months since I last checked)--recent sale of one in PSA Ex, according to one dealer with a lesser-graded example at the National for $8,000. IMHO, this card is either likely to be static or fall in value in the long run, while examples similar to and including the above are likely to appreciate at a significant to substantial rate.
Just my two cents worth, and happy collecting,
Larry
yanksfan09
10-08-2015, 06:12 PM
"Only" is a very relative term, I suppose. Either 350 or 499 would not even be considered scarce in the context of prewar. From the standpoint of all-time icons, it is grossly overpriced. Examples: 1939 V351 Worldwide Gum Ted Williams rookie, with a total of just 3 graded by both PSA and SGC--recent sale of one example in SGC Ex (to me) at $4,050; 1907 Dietsche Fielding Pose Cobb rookie--with I believe a total of 8 graded by both PSA and SGC (its been some months since I last checked)--recent sale of one in PSA Ex, according to one dealer with a lesser-graded example at the National for $8,000. IMHO, this card is either likely to be static or fall in value in the long run, while examples similar to and including the above are likely to appreciate at a significant to substantial rate.
Just my two cents worth, and happy collecting,
Larry
Sound logic there Larry! However your assumption presumes collectors will act logically;)
Sometimes, things are too rare for their own good. I agree with your sentiment and value the true rarities a great deal myself!
yanksfan09
10-08-2015, 06:14 PM
There are only 350 or so in circulation. Not all of them were redeemed.
It's an iconic card. A lot of them have been altered, either by trimming (it was notoriously off-centered) or by wiping the auto clean and resigning it. There are also six 5/500 autos out there. Who knows which one is actually real.
If you ever decide to buy, do some research first. Look up "2001 Pujols autograph" on ebay. See how nearly all of them signed in '01 are slanted heavily to the right? Fakes are very loopy. Most were signed years later around 2005, either by Pujols or Kevin Burge.
http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/showthread.php/33212-MUST-READ-2001-Albert-Pujols-Bowman-Chrome-Rc-MUST-READ
Hadn't heard about all these rumors. I don't see myself ever pursuing the card, but it sounds like people really need to do their homework on it if considering one...
ls7plus
10-09-2015, 02:32 PM
Sound logic there Larry! However your assumption presumes collectors will act logically;)
Sometimes, things are too rare for their own good. I agree with your sentiment and value the true rarities a great deal myself!
You have a point, Erick, but it's more long-term economics than anything else. Value will always be proportional to demand over supply, and objectively, there's little to suggest Albert will retain the kind of demand it takes to get a card available in that quantity to maintain that price. Certainly he's no Cobb or Williams in that respect, in the long run.
May collecting bring you mostly joy, with a minimum of sorrow or frustration,
Larry
yanksfan09
10-09-2015, 03:24 PM
Thanks, I agree Larry, that over a long enough time line logic should win out and the true rarities should appreciate more.
It just really baffles me and I shake my head when I see some of the new trends on what goes for big $. Such as 1986 Johnny Moore Fleer PSA 10's... ( think it was over 10 or 12k?)
The prices for certain grade 9's and 10's and prices on modern RC's that have artificial rarity just astonishes me. I feel that the prices a lot of these command is likely not sustainable, nor should it be.