Guess the grade and explain why?!

[ullmandds]

Sorry for the small scan...its the best I can do here at work.

I have consigned my T206 Phillippe "no name" card to REA for their spring blockbuster auction.

In the past I have contacted both SGC and PSA to determine if they would grade this card...and if so...how...with frustrating results!

This card is back from PSA. So what did it grade?

Any guesses?

[Sophiedog]

Authentic?

[j_cook]

If that's a surface wrinkle on the front, I'd say a 2? Assuming they deemed it authentic.

[bwbc917]

If there is no paper loss it came back at 2.5

[sycks22]

I'm going with Authentic

[Bigb13]

Looks VG to me as long as back is ok

[ullmandds]

back is fine...that IS a surface wrinkle vertically on lower front.

[packs]

Looks like a 1.5 to me with the miscut, crease, and corner wear.

[ullmandds]

Packs...I am not a student of the nuances of grading...why do you say this is miscut?

[gregr2]

Corner wear and crease, my guess is 1.

[vintagetoppsguy]

PSA 1.5 (I think I see a verticle crease in the bottom middle that goes about half way up the card).

[btcarfagno]

I would say a 2. Corners and wrinkle being the reason. I have certainly seen worse 2's, but that would be my guess.

Tom C

[packs]

Packs...I am not a student of the nuances of grading...why do you say this is miscut?

I can't tell if it's off center or miscut from the scan. The tiny top border and huge bottom border say miscut to me. It also looks like the bottom border has an angle to it.

[Jobu]

I say 2.0. My question is whether they added "No name on front" or something similar to the flip. My guess is that PSA wouldn't have done that though I have seen it on a SGC flip.

[Cozumeleno]

I'd go with 1.5 - the crease/wrinkle looks fairly large to me, centering, rounded corners. For me, that makes it 'Fair'.

[ullmandds]

keep em coming...no one is correct yet.

[asoriano]

Does the card have a qualifier of some sort?

[vintagetoppsguy]

keep em coming...no one is correct yet.

Oh, wait. You said PSA graded it. Then I'm changing my guess to a 3 thinking they missed that big crease. :D

[nolemmings]

Rejected--altered.

[ullmandds]

there will be no hints.

[iwantitiwinit]

2

[ullmandds]

Rejected--altered.

i'm shocked it's taken this long for someone to guess this!!!!

[asoriano]

Psa 2 (pd)

[ullmandds]

Psa 2 (pd)

what is pd?

[vthobby]

3.5

[iwantitiwinit]

2 (mk). Possibly because they think there is some erasure?

[frankbmd]

1

[bn2cardz]

3.5
Because I didn't see it guessed yet, and I have seen some graded this high with the same condition issues.

[4815162342]

Pete, my guess is 3 NNOF.

[freakhappy]

9


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[ullmandds]

And you guys aspire to be "professional" graders someday!!!!!!

[EvilKing00]

id grade it a 2 as long as the back is fine, but since you said its not a 2 maybe would psa really grade it 3.5?

[wolf441]

A (SCRAP) :eek:

[Leon]

3

[ullmandds]

i wish a lot of you guys "were" professional graders!!!!!!

[Leon]

i wish a lot of you guys "were" professional graders!!!!!!

ok then....they said it was COU - Counterfeit?

[Bigb13]

I give up what is it?

[freakhappy]

My initial guess was a 2, but since a few people already guessed that, I bumped it up a few grades ;)

I'm stumped too...what it be?


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[D.P.Johnson]

My guess is they didn't grade it because they were unable to determine its authenticity...

[ullmandds]

giving up is not an option...if you were a "professional" TPGrader could u just "give up?" I think not! Keep guessing dammit!

[jcmtiger]

My guess is they didn't grade it because they were unable to determine its authenticity...

Me too!!

Joe

[edhans]

Authentic-Altered? Because they couldn't determine if the caption was artificially removed.

[asoriano]

Authentic - Printing Incomplete (Front)

[freakhappy]

1(mk)


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[larrie804]

Trimmed?

[Leon]

ok I guess that they didn't know what it is and sent it to SGC.....is that it?

[slipk1068]

Does PSA label cards "missing color" the way SGC does?

PSA 3 color variation

[Sophiedog]

They returned the card saying they don't grade such cards

[wolf441]

PSA 2 Player Unidentified

[ullmandds]

ok I guess that they didn't know what it is and sent it to SGC.....is that it?

ding ding ding!!!!!!!!! good guess Leon...but NO!!!

[ullmandds]

lots of good guesses so far guys...and some not so good ones too!!!!!:D Still no winner though!


Apparently with our hundreds of years of vintage card experience...and that's just Frank...we are not qualified to be "professional" graders!

[Mikehealer]

8.5
nm/mt+

[Fred]

Authentic because PSA indicates someone altered the card by removing the name text.

2 because of the rounded corners and small surface crease.

Cool card.

[Sean]

Authentic (Altered)

[t206blogcom]

8 oc

[Leon]

My last guess because I don't see it listed (could have missed it).

PSA 2.5

ps...looks like post #4 already guessed it, I give up. :)

[freakhappy]

rejected for min size or...

you came to your senses and never sent it in to PSA :p

[ullmandds]

still no 100% correct answer yet...a few are very close! No former PSA graders here who can offer their expertise?

[ullmandds]

rejected for min size or...

you came to your senses and never sent it in to PSA :p

or rejected for maximum size????

[freakhappy]

authentic missing ink

[tiger8mush]

.5

Must've been deemed at least authentic, cuz I can't imagine REA would put a $10 card with an erased name in their auction. So it must be unaltered. And everything from 1 thru 3.5 has been guessed already

[ullmandds]

the frustration is palpable friends! the frustration many of us feel upon finding out what grades our cards received upon arrival from the graders.

[ullmandds]

thanks to everyone for keeping me entertained throughout my morning...hint hint hint...there is a qualifier.

[freakhappy]

3(mk)

[D.P.Johnson]

The flip indicates it's authentic but incorrectly names the player as Jay Leno because of his large chin???

[ullmandds]

The flip indicates it's authentic but incorrectly names the player as Jay Leno because of his large chin???

good one! A for creativity!

[Eric72]

1 (oc)

[Peter_Spaeth]

3 (pd)

[Jobu]

Staying with 2.0 but adding an OC --- 2.0 (OC).

[tiger8mush]

1 (pd)
1.5 (pd)
2 (pd)
3 (pd)

pd is the only qualifier I can imagine it getting ...

http://www.psacard.com/Services/PSAGradingStandards

[curtis-cards]

I'm going with 4 (pd). Slightly rounded corners and graded by PSA.

What do I win?

[ullmandds]

1 (pd)
1.5 (pd)
2 (pd)
3 (pd)

pd is the only qualifier I can imagine it getting ...

http://www.psacard.com/Services/PSAGradingStandards

now that's just bad etiquette...multiple guesses at once!!! Think outside the box...this is PSA after all.

[bn2cardz]

2 MC. They are assuming the name was cut off.

[dog*dirt]

Not able to grade. Altered stock?

[tiger8mush]

Think outside the box...this is PSA after all.

So it got an OF (out of focus) qualifier? Phillippe's name is actually there, its just so out of focus you can't see it

[bnorth]

2.5 (PD) my guess but wouldn't doupt the old AUTHENTIC N-O

[t206hound]

2 MC. They are assuming the name was cut off.

I'm with ÄñÐ¥. Based on the guesses thus far, they must have given it a MC qualifier (why will always remain a mystery).

[ullmandds]

you guys have suffered long enough...the grade is

PSA 1(MC)

And I agree...how is this card miscut?

[gregr2]

Yay!! I had the 1 right!

[ullmandds]

2 MC. They are assuming the name was cut off.

cut off from where? the extra fat bottom border????

[asoriano]

you guys have suffered long enough...the grade is

PSA 1(MC)

And I agree...how is this card miscut?

:confused::confused::confused:

[bobbyw8469]

I never saw the back so I cant speak for the qualifier without totally seeing the card.

[bn2cardz]

cut off from where? the extra fat bottom border????

Well you asked for a reason and that is the only reason I could come up with. I originally only thought MC because of how quickly you jumped on the first time miscut was brought up, yet never asked any one else to explain their qualifiers :D

I assume they are saying it is MC because that is the designation that has worked for every other previous "No Name" they got, it just doesn't apply this time.

[ullmandds]

Well you asked for a reason and that is the only reason I could come up with. I originally only thought MC because of how quickly you jumped on the first time miscut was brought up, yet never asked any one else to explain their qualifiers :D

I assume they are saying it is MC because that is the designation that has worked for every other previous "No Name" they got, it just doesn't apply this time.

yes Andy...after I responded to your guess I thought I was giving it away!!!!

Has nothing to do with the back...which there is a scan of in an older t206 w/no name thread.

[bn2cardz]

I never saw the back so I cant speak for the qualifier without totally seeing the card.

He posted this in the original thread http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=156132&stc=1&d=1407719632

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=191524

[mrvster]

this is a toughie....

[mrvster]

AT FIRST.....Chris asked me, I told him not to bid....

problem- nnof are not recognized anymore:confused:

[mrvster]

true "no names" have become not "politically" correct......anymore....why???:confused:

NO ONE HAS THE NUTS TO GRADE THEM!!

there....I said it!

[mrvster]

they are too hard to discern apparently......too many forgers/ erasures...

Pete.....the problem with your name is the "brown" layer associated with the caption....there is no "jump"

off the bottom....

these , I wish, were better ways to determine a true "no name"


this "could've" been a miscut with a "low" struck" caption, but there is no "brown" layer "jump"....but that doesn't explain it entirely....

I own both printer's scrap "true" no names" and a factory cut "caption" jump...

very confusing....:confused:

[mrvster]

this example is only 1 of 2 known to exist!!!!!:eek:

the other is Del Howard(which I believe Keith owns, but not sure due to losing it on Ebay many years ago).......

full caption "jump"

extremely rare.....extremely valuable.....I am dying to see another example???:confused:anyone??? I have been searching for 15 years plus!:eek:

[vthobby]

you guys have suffered long enough...the grade is

PSA 1(MC)

And I agree...how is this card miscut?

You are correct, that is graded a 1 MC but it is definitely not a 1 and it is also not MC.

Maybe we can start a grading company that can slab the slab and put the REAL grade on the outside slab......hmmmmm :eek:

I'd say its a (MG).

MG=Misgraded.

Peace, mike

[wolf441]

Best I can do!

[mrvster]

your not too far off;)

[mrvster]

great great example.....there is a warhop out there like yours....notice the brown"jump";)

[mrvster]

:D

[mrvster]

caption right shift ever known to survive!!:confused::D:)

I LOVE THIS CARD...prob one of my favorites:D......

[mrvster]

"true no names scraps":D

[asoriano]

http://goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=10826

[mrvster]

Almost buddy! the caption lies on the "border" ......I knew who owned that....if it shifted fully inside the border, you have to add another zero to the hammer at least:D;)......only 2 known examples of "full jump"....

the randall and howard....

I'm still searching tho after 15 + years!:eek:

[mrvster]

:confused::D true "no names" my favorite twins!:)

[vthobby]

Looks like Quadruplets to me! :D

Peace, Mike

[ullmandds]

jonny you thread hijacker/thief!:D

[bn2cardz]

:confused::D true "no names" my favorite twins!:)

How are they "true" "no names"? The names are at the top. I think the only "true no name" in this thread thus far is the one that started the thread (if authentic as all that have seen it in person claim it to be)

[mrvster]

sorry my friend!! my Damn ADD:D:o

getting back to your card.....

sgc used to slab them as "NNOF"....then got very "skittish" due to the alterations....pat has one on his website, the only one I have seen truly "slabbed" by sgc , and not some garbage other grader....

psa- faggetaboutit!:D.......they are still learning about "blank" backs and "errors"....they are just starting to slab the cards right....with the proper factory, ect....

sgc...they were ahead of their time, and took risks to call the cards what they were....but the true no names are very hard to slab as such....this brown layer shift tends me to believe a name shift coincides with a shift...

Erick.....chris.....tim.....jim.....are very helpful with their input always in these areas.....steve.....

:)

[mrvster]

the Kruger twins are almost on a totally different level.....they were "set " up or "concept " cards.......some rare ass scrap that is just not even understood yet....

I just had to throw those evil twinz in:D;)

[Rich Klein]

You realize since we are supposed to deduct 2 grades for a MK your PSA 1 MK translates to a -1

So you can send me the card since it is not officially not even gradable :D

[Sean]

How are they "true" "no names"? The names are at the top. I think the only "true no name" in this thread thus far is the one that started the thread (if authentic as all that have seen it in person claim it to be)

I think I have another true no-name.

It's in an early GAI holder, but if Pete says PSA will grade them, I'll cross it over.


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[4815162342]

So MC means Missing Characters? :D

[ullmandds]

So MC means Missing Characters? :D

Nice Daryl...I wish!!!!

[Sophiedog]

How is the card miscut? It's almost dead on centered

[mrvster]

its called a cop out on the part of PSA

[mrvster]

almost willing to bet a lot of money PSA will not slab it nor will SGC