Please show a card more rare than Wagner (T206)

[DixieBaseball]

Mike's (Freak happy) thread got me to thinking about the word rare and the T-206 Wagner and I couldn't help but think about all those posts we have read over the years about a collector's definition of the word rare. Well, I won't opine on the "rarity" of the T206 Wagner and it's value, but I would love to see a card you have that is more rare or scarce if you will. I am in a playful mood this New Year's Eve and would love to just keep this thread going into 2015 if the board thinks we can do it? It's simple. If you have a card that you know there is less than 75 examples known, please show an example. This will be fun... I will get it started :D HAPPY NEW YEAR NET 54! :

[Leon]

this should work...

[vthobby]

This is the VERY First Basketball card ever! Card #1!

25 exist in this grade with only 4 higher!

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peace, mike

[birdman42]

I know of only a baker's dozen of these, including a Cobb, Matty, and Lajoie.

Bill

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e317/birdman42/Ainsmithfelt.jpg~original

[LKeeler]

This Tinker variation has a pop of one graded by SGC, and mine is the lone example graded by PSA. Take that Hans!

[ZachS]

Jerome, that Street Coupon is a stunner. I love it.

I never really get tired of this one. On a side note, I should probably buy a better scanner...

http://www.louisianacards.com/uploads/2/7/0/3/27039045/6963269_orig.jpg

[Luke]

This must be pretty easy if I can do it, seeing as I mainly collect t206 and a couple of the easier caramel sets.

[paul]

How about these.

[Peter_Spaeth]

This is the VERY First Basketball card ever! Card #1!

25 exist in this grade with only 4 higher!

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peace, mike

So what's this?

[frohme]

Until recently, I had one that qualified - now in the hands of another board member.

Generally considered unique - authenticity a source of ongoing debate.

[sniffy5]

Here's a 1914 CJ that many feel is the best pose in the set. And while an argument can be made that each 1914 CJ may be more scarce than Honus, here is one that surely is...

[vthobby]

So what's this?

Of course.....I should have said 1st EXCLUSIVE basketball set, sorry.

On a side note, I just talked on the phone with a friend who met Nat when he was a kid, now that is pretty cool!

Nice card also!

peace, mike

[buymycards]

1920 Holsum, none graded by PSA and 3 by SGC.

[x2drich2000]

Last I checked this was 1 of only 3 graded, and by far the worst condition of the 3.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=611&pictureid=15124http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=611&pictureid=15125

DJ

[gnaz01]

Less than half a dozen of these.......

[Section103]

are quite numerous in example.

[Bicem]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/zouraspm022/t206elberfeldwash_zpsceee9f31.jpg

[GoudeyGum]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/31/669f4be60401acf353479f775ca4bbe5.jpg

[deadballfreaK]

Probably less than 20 of these.
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y520/kdmadden/plank_zps2f36e10b.jpg (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/kdmadden/media/plank_zps2f36e10b.jpg.html)

[Kenny Cole]

Pretty much all of the 1920's Cuban issues.

[edjs]

Far as I know, this would be one. Anyone know of more than 75?

[ValKehl]

Based on the PSA & SGC pop reports, these are the only known examples of these T214 cards known to exist. And, there may be fewer T214s in existence of all players than there are T206 Wagners in existence. Further, I daresay there are thousands of pre-War cards of which there are fewer than 75 examples known to exist - in other words, there is nothing "rare" about the T206 Wagner - INHO, it a stretch even consider it to be "scarce" in relation to most other pre-War cards!
Val

[DixieBaseball]

Based on the PSA & SGC pop reports, these are the only known examples of these T214 cards known to exist. And, there may be fewer T214s in existence of all players than there are T206 Wagners in existence. Further, I daresay there are thousands of pre-War cards of which there are fewer than 75 examples known to exist - in other words, there is nothing "rare" about the T206 Wagner - INHO, it a stretch even consider it to be "scarce" in relation to most other pre-War cards!
Val

Val,
You nailed it and thus what makes this thread so much fun. We could keep this thread going for 365 more days and still not run out of examples that are more scarce than Wagner. Yes, you are correct... Wagner is in fact not rare at all and I would say is not scarce in population. Just hoarded by folks with lots of money. (Gotta park it somewhere!) It's the most over rated, overhyped, over marketed card ever. Nice card, but nothing special imho. I think the Baltimore Ruth or the Cobb w/ Cobb back should be worth way more than the T-Wags. --- To keep this thread going, here is another one. This time a HOFer... There are easily less than 50 of these...

[arc2q]

Between PSA and SGC there are about 11 of the T213-2 Frank Chance Batting (New York). This is likely the ugliest of them.

[clydepepper]

The only rarer ones than this don't exist:

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[freakhappy]

Here's a 1914 CJ that many feel is the best pose in the set. And while an argument can be made that each 1914 CJ may be more scarce than Honus, here is one that surely is...

Great spinoff thread! This should be a great thread to subscribe to...go back and drool whenever you get bored or just want to look at some great cardboard.

Sniffy5...I love that cj. That may be my favorite card/pose of any cj...just fantastical!

[sporteq]

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/images_items/Item_8168_1.jpg

[Sean]

I'm speechless, and that doesn't happen often. :eek::cool::eek:

[jcmtiger]

This is rarer than the Wagner, if anyone has one let's see it. Really like to see a Cobb.

larger than a card, but I call it a card. 4 3/4 x 6 3/4.

Joe

[Mikehealer]

I'm speechless, and that doesn't happen often. :eek::cool::eek:

Well typed.

[slipk1068]

Well typed.

Need to add a few :eek::eek::eek:

[pcoz]

One of only 2 known......

[DeanH3]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m52/DHack3/BB%20Cards/E92CCWagnerSGC40_zps81335320.jpghttp://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m52/DHack3/BB%20Cards/Card%20Backs/E92CCWagnerSGC40back_zpsb2301273.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m52/DHack3/img330_zps443c222e.jpghttp://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m52/DHack3/BB%20Cards/Card%20Backs/img287_zpsad514bc8.jpg

[brianp-beme]

Only one of these variations known...

Brian

[Batter67up]

Here is one I have.

[joeadcock]

Only one known

[Leon]

Only one known

Nice. I am only aware of 3 cards known with that back.

[tedzan]

1 of only 2 (Highest graded)


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/AB460buckHerzog50x.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/AB460Herzog50b.jpg



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[kkkkandp]

Lots of Old Judges are...

[cdn_collector]

My uneducated guess is that there are fewer than 50 of each card in each of these sets.

Cheers,

Richard.

<img width="300" src="http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/georgegibson/baseball-cards/12239/1909-colgans-proof" />

<IMG width="300" src="http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/georgegibson/baseball-cards/13915/1910-orange-borders" />

<IMG width="300" src="http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/georgegibson/baseball-cards/12142/1913-voskamps-coffee" />

<IMG width="300" src="http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/georgegibson/baseball-cards/18120/1922-w501" />

[pkaufman]

The only known example.

[Epps]

My favorite card

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[Bicem]

Awesome Chase Paul! I know of at least one person who's envious.

[HRBAKER]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/PlankRosePC.jpghttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/MonarchTypChief.jpghttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/JuJu001.jpghttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/154469a-copy_lg_zps45e19fde.jpghttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/L1Baker_zpsf7daf12e.jpghttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/10e125_Davis_PSAA_A.jpg

[sniffy5]

Ditto

[frohme]

Nice Smith, Brian! Didn't know that variation existed.

Another in the "total population less than Wags". Haven't seen more than 20 or so with this back. They're on the edge of "carddom" as they're like other theatre cards, but these are on thicker stock, and may have been licensed/re-used later as advertising as they have a 12/31/1925 expiration date.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x51/frohme/10624_zps07f2471c.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x51/frohme/10626_zps12a814f0.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x51/frohme/10634_zps6792e629.jpg

All the ones I've seen are Series "D", but that sort of implies at least three other series exist ... whether or not they're baseball is a separate issue.

--
Mike

[Runscott]

It's a photo, not a card, but I wanted to play and it's my favorite one-of-one item. Back in 1913, if you had a choice of a T206 Wagner, or a photo that had hung on Honus' wall, it would have been a no-brainer...I think.

12x16 1913 Honus Wagner photo from his estate.

[kdixon]

T213 Type 3 Zach Wheat with factory overprint.

[White Borders]

N694 Risido

[pkaufman]

thanks Jeff P. !

[MVSNYC]

Scott- killer Wagner photo.

Besides mine, there's a couple more Murphy BL 460's out there (hi Wonka), so a few known examples qualifies as rarer than the T206 Wagner...but I think that it's generally accepted that there are only about 50-75 TOTAL BL 460's that exist today anyway.

[asoriano]

The only known example.

Amazing card Paul!

[Sean]

Nice BL 460 Mike. :)

[MVSNYC]

Thanks Sean! Did you post some of your gems yet?

[Sean]

Thanks Sean! Did you post some of your gems yet?

Okay, here's a Lenox Brown. Only 21 or 22 exist, and only one with Merkle.


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[Bigb13]

Only 6 or 7 of these173530

[4815162342]

This thread is full of eye candy!

http://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/9009/9274186/E105BenderWhiteHatFront.jpghttp://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/9009/9274186/E105BenderWhiteHatBack.jpg

[MVSNYC]

Sean- Wow, great Brown Lenox!...Can we also see a nice scan of your Plank scrap?

Bigb13- show the Cobb Lenox back.

[MattyC]

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/MattyC/look-ma-no-holders/23608/1911-d304-ty-cobb

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images/show/MattyC/look-ma-no-holders/23611/1925-exhibit-lou-gehrig

[William Todd]

173534

173535

The Mona Lisa of baseball cards

[joeadcock]

It's a photo, not a card, but I wanted to play and it's my favorite one-of-one item. Back in 1913, if you had a choice of a T206 Wagner, or a photo that had hung on Honus' wall, it would have been a no-brainer...I think.

12x16 1913 Honus Wagner photo from his estate.

Beautiful photo.
Great job.

[William Todd]

173536

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[William Todd]

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[William Todd]

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173542

Sorry for all the T207's, they are rare

[Runscott]

Beautiful photo.
Great job.

Thanks, guys. I love this thread when it pops up from time to time, although I have to admit I get a little sick at my stomach when I see the BL460's - I had two very nice ones. Also had a Mino Wagner that was considerably tougher than a T206. My first super-rare cards was a pair of Allegheny's.

[tedzan]

I realize that you really cannot rely on Pop Reports, however there are less than 8 these Cobb's graded by SGC....None by PSA....and, I know of one ungraded AB 460 Cobb.


http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/AB460Cobbx75xx_zpsbd913b5a.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/AB460Cobbx75bb_zps0801c051.jpg


TED Z

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[William Todd]

173545173543

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Brown ink back Walter Johnson, they used different inks on occasion

[tedzan]

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/1910CouponChance_zpsab007d4f.jpg..http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/1910CouponChanceBx_zps4fc0101d.jpg


TED Z

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[sycks22]

Tougher Cobby

[atx840]

Awesome cards guys. Eye candy.

[tedzan]

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1910couponcobb50x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/1910COUPONredCobb75xb.jpg


TED Z
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[pete zouras]

<a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/user/zouraspm/media/my%20collection/t215f.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/my%20collection/t215f.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo t215f.jpg"/></a>

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponmattyeverschase.jpg
....http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponmattyeverschase25xb.jpg


TED Z
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[Sean]

Sean- Wow, great Brown Lenox!...Can we also see a nice scan of your Plank scrap?

Okay, here goes:


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[tedzan]

OK, you guys....just stirring up a little bit of late night controversy. :)

1910 COUPON cards....or whatever ?


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponhuggins.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponhugginsb.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1910CouponMcIntyre.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1910CouponMcIntyreb.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1910CouponWillett50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/1910COUPONWillett29b.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponrossmanbreiten.jpghttp://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponrossmanbreitenb.jpg


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/couponsummers.jpg..http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/couponsummersb.jpg



And for laughs, I'll throw in a rare 1915 COUPON Silent Screen star card.

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/1915CouponGeorgeBeban.jpghttp://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/1915CouponGeorgeBebanb.jpg



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[MVSNYC]

Sean- Awesome!!

Your scans are a bit fuzzy? Can you adjust that on your scanner?

[freakhappy]

Sick cards Sean....I'd be looking at those every day



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[yanksfan09]

Any from this set would fit the bill....

[HRBAKER]

......here's their weak sister HOFers (xc Tristan of course)

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/3975a_lg_zps10b4df13.jpeghttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/D381Bancrost_zps825065b6.jpghttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/FergSpoke.jpg

[Mikehealer]

I can't imagine there being 50+ of any T214, although I guess it's possible.
http://photos.imageevent.com/mhgt/hoft206/louisiana/websize/T214%20Tinker.jpg

[tedzan]

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh622/tedzan77/T206PuttmanPROOFbb_zps3a4c9fba.jpg




TED Z

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[itjclarke]

Not sure how many of these are really out there, but pretty sure there are fewer than it's T206 look alike

[freakhappy]

Ian and Ted...those are gems! Loving this thread!


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[joeadcock]

Tarzan Bread, not too many.

[brianp-beme]

A Crescent Ice Cream (nothing says scarce like Canadian semi-pro ball player cards), and probably the least desired super rare card around, the R308 Tattoo Orbit large size (pictured with his more common little twin brother).

Brian

[Michael Peich]

The Evans card in the T209-2 set is scarce although not at the level of this thread. But player postcards from the set qualify as Wagner-scarce since there were at most only 2-3 of them issued for the player.

Enjoy these, and Happy New Year!

Cheers,
Mike

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/acycle460cyoung.jpg.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/cycle460cyoung.jpg



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[VoodooChild]

There's probably 50 or so cards from the E121-80 set that are more "rare" than the Wagner. Here's mine. There can't be more than a handful of these out there. It's the "Frank" (not the more common "J. Franklin") variation:

[3-2-count]

Great thread........ Nice items everyone.

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/threetwocount/large/waddellfrontlincolnpcnum2.jpg

[ValKehl]

My avatar is one of my favorite WaJo cards - 1911 Baseball Bats. SGC has graded a total of 34 Baseball Bats cards of all players (1 WaJo). As far as I can tell, PSA hasn't graded any cards from this set.

[tedzan]

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/CrandallTannehillRedHINDUx50.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/CrandallTannehillRedHINDUx50b.jpg



TED Z
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[Jason]

With my narrow focus I'm sure more than half of my cards are in less numbers than the Wagner. Maybe I'm wrong but I would be remiss to think any of the T209 B&W's are over 75 in total population.

[MVSNYC]

Ted- great cards (as always!)...

Question- are you sure there are fewer Cy Young Cycle 460's than Wagners?

Same question applies to several people who have posted above...how are we so sure of these numbers? Just guessing?

[Brian Van Horn]

Tongue-in-cheek:

[joeadcock]

My avatar is one of my favorite WaJo cards - 1911 Baseball Bats. SGC has graded a total of 34 Baseball Bats cards of all players (1 WaJo). As far as I can tell, PSA hasn't graded any cards from this set.

Val

That is a beautiful card

[tedzan]

Ted- great cards (as always!)...

Question- are you sure there are fewer Cy Young Cycle 460's than Wagners?

Same question applies to several people who have posted above...how are we so sure of these numbers? Just guessing?


I acquired this Cy Young circa 2007; and, haven't seen another one since.

If one wants to rely on Pop Reports....there are no PSA graded ones....and, depending how you interpret the SGC data, there are only 4 (or 7) graded ones.

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/acycle460cyoung.jpg.http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/cycle460cyoung.jpg


Happy New Year to you and your Family.


TED Z
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[MVSNYC]

Ted, gotcha...great looking card as well. very bold, clean.

Thanks, happy new year as well!

[glchen]

I'll contribute this one (the 1931 is significantly tougher than the 1928 W502).

[yanksfan09]

Nice cards Jeff....

And to keep the Ruth theme going, I'm pretty sure these would work....

The E121-80 is rare "George" name variation....

[Sean]

Hey Erick. That E121-80 also identifies Ruth as a leftfielder, whereas the other version calls him Babe and lists him in rightfield.

Do you have any idea which version came first?

[yanksfan09]

Not sure Sean. I think I may have read something on that a while ago, but don't recall. Maybe someone else will chime in. I'll see if I can find what I read about it before.

[VoodooChild]

Hey Erick. That E121-80 also identifies Ruth as a leftfielder, whereas the other version calls him Babe and lists him in rightfield.

Do you have any idea which version came first?

Sean - I could be wrong but I believe the "Babe" Version of the E121-80 came first. I believe it was released at the start of the season and Ruth played a majority of his games in RF during the 1920 season. The "George" version is part of the group of rare cards released during the 1921 World Series. Ruth played the majority of his games that year in LF.

[atx840]

Thanks to Ted for this one. Only a few exist.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7377/10431350366_b840e50aa1_b_d.jpg

[yanksfan09]

That sounds right. I just checked baseball almanac and it shows Ruth played the 1921 World Series all in Left Field, other than the couple games he missed.

To further complicate things, there's also the Babe and the "Babe" variations. Not sure if there are any theories on those as to which came first....

[yanksfan09]

delete, double post.

[Bigb13]

Not many of these173614

[Sean]

Jason and Erick, thank you for that explanation.

I have a "Babe" version. I didn't know that there was also a Babe version.

[tedzan]

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/T205WolterDRUMx50x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/T205WolterDRUMx75b.jpg


TED Z
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[Runscott]

Interestingly, we've had different backs for the same front considered to be different cards, different grades of the same card to be considered different cards, and even a print scrap, which is apparently considered to be a different card from the production version.

So the rarest T206 Wagner is actually the Wagner card with a print variation different from all the rest, as well as the rarest slab: the Wagner belonging to these two fellows (no free advertising to the doofus who created the slab).

http://www.bobconnelly.com/081206/cobbedwards.jpg

http://www.pophistorydig.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/1909-honus-wagner-bbcard-2.jpg

[tedzan]

Thanks to Ted for this one. Only a few exist.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7377/10431350366_b840e50aa1_b_d.jpg



Thank you for this Duffy....and, a double thanks for helping me to get some of the other red HINDU's for my "Exclusive 12" sub-set.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/HinduCrandallDuffy25x.jpg

. . . . .http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/HinduCrandallDuffy25xb.jpg



TED Z
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[Runscott]

Ted, why don't you start a thread "T206's that are more scarce than a T206 Wagner"?

[tedzan]

......since you're tired of seeing my T206's......here is a classic 1949 LEAF card in my collection that is as tough to find as a T206 Wagner.



http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/paige2.jpg . http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/paigeb.jpg



T-Rex TED

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[Runscott]

That's not what I said at all. To the contrary, I asked you to start a thread, just for T206's that are more rare than the Wagner.

I think it would showcase how many T206's there are that are more rare than the Wagner.

There, I said it three times so there's no mistaking my intent.

I will add that, while I had never given it much thought, I'm very surprised at how many T206's are more scarce than Wagner.

[Exhibitman]

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/dropins/websize/W-Unc%20Cobb.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/frankleftyodoulcard/websize/1935%20Pebble%20Beach%20OquDoul%202.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/T5%20PC%20Tinker.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/zzz%20Babe%20Ruth%20and%20Snookums.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/notanexhibitcard/websize/Universal%20Toy%204%20on%201%20baseball.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/interestingexhibitcards/websize/1927%20Williams%20Ken%20salesman%20sample.jpg

[tedzan]

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/e104brislord.jpg



T-Rex TED
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[Michael Peich]

Adam--Fabulous cards! Thanks for showing them.

Cheers,
Mike

[Iron Horse]

PSA pop report shows 16 not sure how many at SGC

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ted, 135 Leaf Paiges graded by PSA alone.

[Runscott]

Ted just stated that it's "as tough to find". We find T206 Wagners all the time. How often do you find a Leaf Paige?

[CurtisFlood]

Thanks for the work guys. Best slide show in a long time. can honestly say I have never owned a single card in this array of sweet cardboard.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ted just stated that it's "as tough to find". We find T206 Wagners all the time. How often do you find a Leaf Paige?

Well maybe it's just me Scott, but if there are many more of card A than card B, I would say card A is probably not as tough to find. But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.

[Runscott]

Well maybe it's just me Scott, but if there are many more of card A than card B, I would say card A is probably not as tough to find. But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.

Peter, this is the kinder, gentler runscott. I'm practicing on Ted.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Three Paiges on ebay since late October btw.


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[Zach Wheat]

There are only 6 Lefty Grove cards known from this set and 4 cards of Gabby Hartnett & 5 of Goose Goslin. The color variations consist of green, orange & yellow borders.

In addition, the original set consisted of at least 16 cards in total; 3 cards were of well known personalities of the day (Brendell, Keen & Maynard) which only 1 cards is know to exist - making this a truly difficult set to collect.

83 total cards were in the original find; 15 of which have images of the 3 known baseball players.


Z Wheat

[atx840]

It's a photo, not a card, but I wanted to play and it's my favorite one-of-one item. Back in 1913, if you had a choice of a T206 Wagner, or a photo that had hung on Honus' wall, it would have been a no-brainer...I think.

12x16 1913 Honus Wagner photo from his estate.


Wow. That's awesome Scott.

[tedzan]

Ted, 135 Leaf Paiges graded by PSA alone.

Peter

I've tracked 1949 Paige cards since 1982, when I acquired my Paige.

That "135" number you have noted is the result of re-grades and crossovers.

My educated estimate is that approx. 80-90 different Paige cards are actually reflected in that number.

The 1949 Leaf Paige is one of the most sought after post-war cards; therefore, , it garners some ridiculously high $$$$$ figures.

And, as little as 0.5 increase in it being RE-GRADED results in 1000's of $$$$ increase in its market price.


T-Rex TED
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[Exhibitman]

Adam--Fabulous cards! Thanks for showing them.

Cheers,
Mike

Thanks.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Looks like the Grove and Hartnett images were the same ones used for their '20's exhibit cards, not sure about Goslin.

[JustinofLoxley]

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[tedzan]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Peter

I've tracked 1949 Paige cards since 1982, when I acquired my Paige.

That "135" number you have noted is the result of re-grades and crossovers.

My educated estimate is that approx. 80-90 different Paige cards are actually reflected in that number.

The 1949 Leaf Paige is one of the most sought after post-war cards; therefore, , it garners some ridiculously high $$$$$ figures.

And, as little as 0.5 increase in it being RE-GRADED results in 1000's of $$$$ increase in its market price.


T-Rex TED
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Ted there are also 44 sgc graded ones. And who knows how many ungraded. Not saying it isn't a very tough card, just saying it isn't Wagner in terms of scarcity.

[jb217676]

Great cardboard guys! Here are a few tough ones that I own.

[tedzan]

Ted there are also 44 sgc graded ones. And who knows how many ungraded. Not saying it isn't a very tough card, just saying it isn't Wagner in terms of scarcity.


I really don't want to belabor this....but, I have seen the SGC pop data; and, I'm suspicious of the numbers.

When I see Graded numbers bunched together (as they are in SGC's data on Paige), then I'd bet these #'s are the results of quite a number of re-grades.

Of the 44 graded ones, my guess is there are no more than 25 "unique" Paige cards.

Where does this leave us......approximately 100 "unique" 1949 Leaf Paige cards in circulation.

Whoops ! ....I forgot my ungraded Paige......so, there are 101.


Eventually, I predict that the number of T206 Wagner's will approach 100.


T-Rex TED
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[4815162342]

http://nicktumminello.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/23132671.jpg

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ted are you saying that yours is the only one left ungraded? Even if you are right there are only 100 graded ones, I am sure there are many ungraded ones as well.

[seattlerainiers]

Rare is an understatement here:

[Tom S.]

Any card from this set would qualify...

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u169/toppsopcfan/img063_zpsf962edd1.jpg

[z28jd]

Interestingly, we've had different backs for the same front considered to be different cards, different grades of the same card to be considered different cards, and even a print scrap, which is apparently considered to be a different card from the production version.

So the rarest T206 Wagner is actually the Wagner card with a print variation different from all the rest, as well as the rarest slab: the Wagner belonging to these two fellows (no free advertising to the doofus who created the slab).

http://www.bobconnelly.com/081206/cobbedwards.jpg

http://www.pophistorydig.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/1909-honus-wagner-bbcard-2.jpg

Don't forget that I also have that same "unique" card and in better shape!

[MikeGarcia]

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/2042957/view/1922EXHIBITYELLOWHORSE_NEW.JPG


....75 is a pretty low bar for the guys that frequent this forum ; you'd probably still get a ton of responses if you had said "15" or so..

...anyway I've been trying to upgrade these cards beyond a " One= Poor " for about nine years ....I'm going out on a limb and declaring that there are less than seventy-five of these out there...

...contact me if you own one of these in a "2".....I have money....

[Runscott]

Don't forget that I also have that same "unique" card and in better shape!

I DID forget. I think I angered Ted by infiltrating his thread with this card, so I'll ask other members to kindly refrain from posting questionable Wagners that are more unique than the Wagner in question.

Sorry, Ted. Please carry on.

[tedzan]

It's my understanding that this T3 Doolan with the Turkey Red adv. back is very rare (considerably less than 50 examples).

T3 experts....please confirm, or correct me, regarding this observation


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/T3Doolan25x.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/websize/T3Doolan25xB.jpg



TED Z
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[Epps]

Not too many of these around

173799

173800

[Luke]

WOW Matt...

[Bicem]

Nice Gandil. Come on SGC, Gandel?

[Epps]

Thanks guys! It's Gandel on the card too. One of his best poses though in my opinion

[tedzan]

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/bmellomintchance.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/amellomint chance.jpg
TED Z
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[joeadcock]

Very low pops on these:

[Jobu]

Jeff, I absolutely love that Mathewson! Thanks for posting it, I didn't even know it existed (like many other cards in this thread - thanks to you all).

Another cool thing about the Pastime Novelty Mathewson - that card is also Caspar the Friendly Ghost's rookie.

Great cardboard guys! Here are a few tough ones that I own.

[DixieBaseball]

Incredible bouquet of cardboard in this thread. The Holmes Joe and the Baltimore Ruth are easily my personal favorites, but those Nadja & Williams Wags are way more scarce than the T206 Wagner and awesome. The Type 1 Coupons are not even fighting fair as most of those are at 10-15 examples or less and not even close to the T-Wags. Seeing all this talent really makes me even question why the T206 Wags is valued so high. This may sound crazy, but I don't think I would want to invest 6 figures in it. What makes it worth so much? There is no rarity. Perhaps minimal scarcity. Only bloated fascination that has amplified over the decades. To be clear I am not a hater (just don't understand is more like it...) and think it's a neat card but so many more HOFer's in the T206 set are more scarce with backs like Lenox, etc. Let me digress and throw a few more that are way more scarce than the T-Wags. Great net 54 participation! Keep em coming.

[DixieBaseball]

2 more rare Bays... One being from T-Wag's set and much more scarce.

[HRBAKER]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/plowsbarry001.jpghttp://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/HOME%20RUN%20BAKER/wanna.jpg

[Leon]

.... Seeing all this talent really makes me even question why the T206 Wags is valued so high. This may sound crazy, but I don't think I would want to invest 6 figures in it. What makes it worth so much? There is no rarity. Perhaps minimal scarcity. Only bloated fascination that has amplified over the decades. To be clear I am not a hater (just don't understand is more like it...) and think it's a neat card but so many more HOFer's in the T206 set are more scarce with backs like Lenox, etc. .....

The value of the T206 Wags has very little to do with rarity (population) as it has more to do with scarcity (people wanting one). I venture to guess I have literally hundreds, maybe a thousand, cards more rare than Wags...but none remotely as valuable..

http://luckeycards.com/pwunc1915x4c.jpg

[Huysmans]

The value of the T206 Wags has very little to do with rarity (population) as it has more to do with scarcity (people wanting one). I venture to guess I have literally hundreds, maybe a thousand, cards more rare than Wags...but none remotely as valuable..

http://luckeycards.com/pwunc1915x4c.jpg

Hey Leon, one major thing that the Wagner has going for it is hobby lore and tradition. And when something gets that ensconced in the hobby psyche, it essentially becomes part of the collecting fabric, which, will essentially allow for monetary growth regardless of its rarity.

[pbspelly]

Leon is absolutely correct. There are tons of cards rarer than the Wagner (including, I would guess, my Plow's Candy below), but few or none that have the Wagner T206 combination of
1) top 10 Hall-of-Famer
2)hugely popular card series (T206)
3)scarcity
4) interesting back story (the whole tobacco thing, whether true or not).
Not to mention famous owners, such as Gretzky.



http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=258&pictureid=4723

[MVSNYC]

Leon is absolutely correct. There are tons of cards rarer than the Wagner (including, I would guess, my Plow's Candy below), but few or none that have the Wagner T206 combination of
1) top 10 Hall-of-Famer
2)hugely popular card series (T206)
3)scarcity
4) interesting back story (the whole tobacco thing, whether true or not).
Not to mention famous owners, such as Gretzky.

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Well put.

# 1, 2 & 4 = Desirability. There have been many cards posted in this thread that are WAY scarcer than the T206 Wagner, BUT almost all lack the overall desirability.

Supply/Demand.

[Runscott]

Two sub-lists I would like to see:

1. T206 cards (back variations included, but no scraps) that are more rare than Wagner.

2. HOF cards (fronts only - back variations NOT considered) that are more rare than Wagner.

[MattyC]

It's also worth noting that while many cards are indeed rarer than the Wagner, for many of those cards the rarity is coming from the ad on the back, as opposed to it being a wholly unique front image.

[Sean]

Leon is absolutely correct. There are tons of cards rarer than the Wagner (including, I would guess, my Plow's Candy below), but few or none that have the Wagner T206 combination of
1) top 10 Hall-of-Famer
2)hugely popular card series (T206)
3)scarcity
4) interesting back story (the whole tobacco thing, whether true or not).
Not to mention famous owners, such as Gretzky.

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Well put.

# 1, 2 & 4 = Desirability. There have been many cards posted in this thread that are WAY scarcer than the T206 Wagner, BUT almost all lack the overall desirability.

Supply/Demand.
We've had this discussion many times.
Rare = total number of a particular card
Scarce = Total number of a card, considering also the demand for that card.

Lots of cards are much more rare than Wagner (especially if you throw in front/back variations). But none are close in terms of scarcity, except perhaps the Baltimore News Ruth.

[Sean]

But regardless of how we define "rare" this was still a fun thread. :)

[Hot Springs Bathers]

I am guessing that the Wagner has the highest percentage of graded specimens in existence. I will also guess that even for the rarer vintage cards out there the graded percentage goes way down.

This is a really off the wall guess but I would say that way fewer than 10 percent of most say T206s are graded. I know of three local collections including mine where no cards are graded. So basing rarity on graded populations is probably not very accurate?

I agree with MVSNYC assessment of the Wagner and its' position in the hobby.

[MVSNYC]

We've had this discussion many times.
Rare = total number of a particular card
Scarce = Total number of a card, considering also the demand for that card.

Lots of cards are much more rare than Wagner (especially if you throw in front/back variations). But none are close in terms of scarcity, except perhaps the Baltimore News Ruth.

I think we are saying the same thing...I see your point. I used the word "scarcer", but ultimately meant "rarer".

[lutherlafy]

No 1917-20 Felix Mendelshohn cards posted......

[lutherlafy]

A scarce set is the 1910 Orange Borders.
I believe mine is the only one in a PSA holder
and there are a few in SGC holders.

[DixieBaseball]

[QUOTE=Leon;1362635]The value of the T206 Wags has very little to do with rarity (population) as it has more to do with scarcity (people wanting one). I venture to guess I have literally hundreds, maybe a thousand, cards more rare than Wags...but none remotely as valuable..

LL - I sorta get what you are saying, but why do people want one? When did people start wanting one? Who drove this card to the peak of the hobby and when did it register ? (What year?)

I think Brent nailed it : "... When something gets ensconced in the hobby psyche..."

So when did the Wags take off and become important? 1950's ? Why did that happen?

As far as Top 10 HOFer, T206 set, etc. --- That would easily apply to Cobb. So why not Cobb ? Which Cobb with a T206 back would fit in that 60-80 examples known range?

I believe the Baltimore Ruth will eventually become the Pinnacle card in the hobby. It's sorta already happening the last few sales... It's getting there. Cobb w/ Cobb back is too rare perhaps. I would rather own it over the Wags, but that is just me.

Good discussion, guys - Here's another one that is more rare than T-Wags :

[Robextend]

Only a couple graded between PSA and SGC

http://photos.imageevent.com/vanslykefan/prewar1/rubewaddell/websize/Waddell%20Newark.jpg

[pbspelly]

[QUOTE=Leon;1362635]
As far as Top 10 HOFer, T206 set, etc. --- That would easily apply to Cobb. So why not Cobb ? Which Cobb with a T206 back would fit in that 60-80 examples known range?

I believe the Baltimore Ruth will eventually become the Pinnacle card in the hobby. It's sorta already happening the last few sales... It's getting there. Cobb w/ Cobb back is too rare perhaps. I would rather own it over the Wags, but that is just me.



As someone else pointed out, the rare Cobb T206 cards have to do with a rare back. Whereas the rare Wagner T206 is (I believe) the only T206 with Wagner on the front. So the Wagner is desirable even for folks who are not into rare backs.

That said, I agree that a Cobb w/Cobb back is cooler than the Wagner at this point.

[Leon]

[QUOTE=DixieBaseball;1362991]

As someone else pointed out, the rare Cobb T206 cards have to do with a rare back. Whereas the rare Wagner T206 is (I believe) the only T206 with Wagner on the front. So the Wagner is desirable even for folks who are not into rare backs.

That said, I agree that a Cobb w/Cobb back is cooler than the Wagner at this point.

The Wags and the '52 Mantle transcend the hobby. There are people that own them that don't collect cards. They own them because they are feathers in a cap, status symbols....and damn good investments so far.
Barely any, if any, other baseball cards do that.

[Bicem]

Wow, great Ruth and Cobb m101-6's!

[ullmandds]

Wow, great Ruth and Cobb m101-6's!

yessir!

[DixieBaseball]

As someone else pointed out, the rare Cobb T206 cards have to do with a rare back. Whereas the rare Wagner T206 is (I believe) the only T206 with Wagner on the front. So the Wagner is desirable even for folks who are not into rare backs.

That said, I agree that a Cobb w/Cobb back is cooler than the Wagner at this point.[/QUOTE]

... but the Wagner T206 is not rare at all with sweet cap back and not rare with it's front either... There are about a hundred of them out there... They are simply wanted for their celebrity value. They have been over marketed along with the Mantle to be the "it" cards of our hobby for 50 years. I think that the Wags "was" a good investment, but I don't believe it has much more appreciation ahead over the coming decades. (I could be wrong of course...) I still think the the T-Wags is a nice looking portrait though and a nice collectible.

Agreed with Leon's point on the Wags & Mantle rook... as someone pointed out early... they have been ensconced in the psyche of the public as the "it" cards to own.

[Eggoman]

I'm "IN"...as far as I know, these are the only 2 Greiner's Bread cards on PSA or SGC Pop Report...

[MikeGarcia]

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/2042957/view/R3141936TYPETWO.JPG


.....Type Two Wide Pens , 1936 Goudey Premiums , R-314

....when it takes eight years to find , let alone upgrade , a particular item ... we need our own page of adjectives in here .

[Golfcollector]

http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt347/Golfcollector/Golf%20Cards-Graded/hagenfront.jpg

I sold this one with all of my golf cards, but this is the only one graded, and one of the toughest golf cards there is.

1925 Empreza Walter Hagen

[AndrewJerome]

My favorite Zeenut:

[ullmandds]

here are some...not hard to find pre ww-I cards "rarer" than wags!

[Leon]

I'm "IN"...as far as I know, these are the only 2 Greiner's Bread cards on PSA or SGC Pop Report...

http://luckeycards.com/pdunc1928greinersbread.jpg

[Eggoman]

Hey Leon - Nice Card! I knew there was at least one more out there... We talked about these YEARS AGO - I missed out on a Near Set because the Seller and I couldn't agree on a price as "Greiner's" weren't listed in any of the Price Guides...Tharp's - Yes, Yeungling's - of course, but NOT Greiner's. I've NEVER managed to catch up with that seller and have no idea where the cards ended up. He was an old Coin Dealer. Coulda, woulda, shoulda...I'm sure that we were only "a few dollars" apart but Food Issues weren't appreciated much in the mid-1980s. But Modern Rookie cards - NOW WE'RE TALKIN"!!!!! :D

[Leon]

Hey Leon - Nice Card! I knew there was at least one more out there... We talked about these YEARS AGO - I missed out on a Near Set because the Seller and I couldn't agree on a price as "Greiner's" weren't listed in any of the Price Guides...Tharp's - Yes, Yeungling's - of course, but NOT Greiner's. I've NEVER managed to catch up with that seller and have no idea where the cards ended up. He was an old Coin Dealer. Coulda, woulda, shoulda...I'm sure that we were only "a few dollars" apart but Food Issues weren't appreciated much in the mid-1980s. But Modern Rookie cards - NOW WE'RE TALKIN"!!!!! :D

There is at least one more also. It's another Harris in very poor condition. A good hobby friend has it. Yes, you had shown me those 2 long ago. I know of these 3 and that 1, so 4 total....which is quite scarce. Four is also the number of these I am aware of...

[DixieBaseball]

As I look through all these cards it occurred to me that almost every pre-war issue has cards that probably are more scarce/rare than the T206 Wagner. Look at all the different types represented in this thread. I don't recall seeing a Fatima, so I will add this card in here (Perhaps I glossed over one in this thread..) as I am quite sure there aren't 75 or more of these floating around...

[Gobucsmagic74]

I'm not certain this card is more rare than the T206, but PSA population report shows 14 graded in this pose, while SGC shows 31 total between the "batting" and "throwing" poses...this being the highest graded example of either pose by either company.

[ullmandds]

I'm not certain this card is more rare than the T206, but PSA population report shows 14 graded in this pose, while SGC shows 31 total between the "batting" and "throwing" poses...this being the highest graded example of either pose by either company.

I'd surmise most e106's are more rare than t206 honus!

[Gobucsmagic74]

I'd surmise most e106's are more rare than t206 honus!

Now, if we could only do something about that whole demand thing I'd be in business! I'm hoping as the T206's continue to ascend into the stratosphere this card, and others, might gain traction with us other 99%'ers.

[ullmandds]

Every single one of these Millers is rarer than t206 wagner...1/3 more rare than doyle, nat'l.

[Sean]

Hi Pete. What is the difference between the two American Caramel cards?
Is it just the lack of red color in the background? Or is there something more?

[ephus]

This Wagner is more rare than the t206 Wagner


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/kelholt/d75f508b76aad47545dd8de39855ed6d.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/kelholt/media/d75f508b76aad47545dd8de39855ed6d.jpg.html)

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/kelholt/9c039c090815ed0091190a639807274f.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/kelholt/media/9c039c090815ed0091190a639807274f.jpg.html)

[ullmandds]

Sean...yep...Sunset and no sunset variations.

[ullmandds]

This Wagner is more rare than the t206 Wagner


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/kelholt/d75f508b76aad47545dd8de39855ed6d.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/kelholt/media/d75f508b76aad47545dd8de39855ed6d.jpg.html)

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p58/kelholt/9c039c090815ed0091190a639807274f.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/kelholt/media/9c039c090815ed0091190a639807274f.jpg.html)

Rarer than doyle too

[rgpete]

1913 Blank Bank Pinkerton EX-NM

[glenv]

Not sure if the Donut Co. Ruth is rarer, but a full panel should be:

179762

[edjs]

This thread was referenced in another today, and I figured why not revive it. Especially since I have acquired more to display here!

[chiprop]

every card I own is more rare than a t-206 Wagner...

[gabrinus]

Nice ones Ed.....you beat me on that Oldring.......Jerry

[edjs]

Nice ones Ed.....you beat me on that Oldring.......Jerry

Jerry, I sure wanted at least one of your last five listings, but my last HA winnings kept me out of the running. I look forward to your sales all the time!

[clydepepper]

Lots of great stuff in this thread!

I like my collection of 112-year-old one-of-ones:

(I actually have two others: Jimmy Burke & Jack Taylor - without scans)

233786

233787

233788

233789

233790

[edjs]

Real cool, Raymond. Real cool. :cool:

[Gobucsmagic74]

Pretty sure this qualifies. May be close

[CW]

Very impressive, Raymond. You should go for a complete set! ;) :D

And that's a great looking Wagner there, Dan. I'll take VG 3s like that all day.

[t213]

a few more

Andy