How do I retract a bid on Ebay?

[kailes2872]

I ran out of items on my watch list yesterday. I made a couple of min bids - just so I could monitor the auction. I checked myebay tonight and somehow, it has an extra 0 on my bid - which would be 3x VCP if it is bid up to that amount. It is well on its way from a few low feedback bidders with high % for that seller.

It was my mistake and I am willing to take the medicine if it is seen as unethical. It doesn't end for another 5 days and 22 hours, so I feel that it if I pull back now while it is still under VCP, I am not doing the seller harm - however, I don't want to send a note to him asking for a bid retraction explaining that I accidently hit an extra 0 - thus showing what my max is and opening myself to that number being magically hit.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

[vthobby]

Kevin,

go to:

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?RetractBidShow

then enter your user name and password and it will walk you through it from there.

Be sure before you do this that you write down the item # as you will need that. Also, do this ASAP because if the item ends within 12 hours of when you try, then Ebay will not allow it.

peace, mike

[kailes2872]

Thank You for the help. I hope that I don't have to do that again as it feels icky doing it. If I was confident that the auction would go to the natural market level, I would have just left it there and assumed that it would have worked out fine. It didnt' seem like that was happening, however, so now I can rest assurred.

Take Care,
Kevin

[vthobby]

As they say on the "bay".....stuff happens! :)

It is a tool to use exactly as you used it. No one is perfect!

peace, mike

[D. Bergin]

As they say on the "bay".....stuff happens! :)

It is a tool to use exactly as you used it. No one is perfect!

peace, mike


Or you can do it 93 more times, and just blame it on your fondness for ice cream. ;)

[sbfinley]

If retracting a bid makes you feel icky you could either take a NPB (which really means nothing these days) or file a "item not as described" return (which is as easy eating cake these days). Not knocking you OP, I actually place a ton bids on my phone so I've often typed too many 0's with my fat fingers and had to correct them before I confirmed so I understand how it could have happened, but if it's really a card you want and think it still might fall under your intended bid you can always let the bid ride and there is literally 0% chance you'll be stuck with the item at a heavy price thanks to a buyer friendly eBay.

[Leon]

Or you can do it 93 more times, and just blame it on your fondness for ice cream. ;)

+1

[swarmee]

If retracting a bid makes you feel icky you could either take a NPB (which really means nothing these days) or file a "item not as described" return (which is as easy eating cake these days). Not knocking you OP, I actually place a ton bids on my phone so I've often typed too many 0's with my fat fingers and had to correct them before I confirmed so I understand how it could have happened, but if it's really a card you want and think it still might fall under your intended bid you can always let the bid ride and there is literally 0% chance you'll be stuck with the item at a heavy price thanks to a buyer friendly eBay.

At this point in the auction, the proper thing to do would be put in a retraction, and then put in the actual bid he intended to make in the first place. Waiting until the auction ends and then not paying/returning hurts the seller in this transaction. Retracting a bid with plenty of time left in the auction is the proper response.

[bobbyw8469]

At this point in the auction, the proper thing to do would be put in a retraction, and then put in the actual bid he intended to make in the first place. Waiting until the auction ends and then not paying/returning hurts the seller in this transaction. Retracting a bid with plenty of time left in the auction is the proper response.

+1..just retract the bid and put in the intended bid. It is when people just retract for no reason, and do no bid again that we block. If they retract a bid and then resubmit their intended bid, they are allowed to do that

[D.P.Johnson]

+1..just retract the bid and put in the intended bid. It is when people just retract for no reason, and do no bid again that we block. If they retract a bid and then resubmit their intended bid, they are allowed to do that

Good point. Some sellers are vindictive and will put you on their blocked buyer list if you retract a bid...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Good point. Some sellers are vindictive and will put you on their blocked buyer list in you retract a bid...

right some weird sellers out there...if you retract just one time they do that..cant imagine Macys barring a customer for returning one item...

[Jaybird]

right some weird sellers out there...if you retract just one time they do that..cant imagine Macys barring a customer for returning one item...

Comparing a collector/seller and what they should do to Macy's is almost too ridiculous to even comment on. Almost.

I'll block a retractor because life is too short and I don't play games. In the OP case, it's obviously a mistake. But otherwise, I'll block you. When my revenues get to the point of Macy's, I'll change my practices.

[bobbyw8469]

I'll block a retractor because life is too short and I don't play games. In the OP case, it's obviously a mistake. But otherwise, I'll block you. When my revenues get to the point of Macy's, I'll change my practices.

+1...A bid retractor is usually a problem bidder. Online auction houses (Huggins & Scott, Robert Edwards, et al) do not allow bid retractors. Why should Ebay be any different. If someone retracts a bid with me and doesn't rebid their "proper" bid, then YES, they will get blocked. They are abusing the bid retraction policy and we don't allow that. Now if only Probstein and PWCC would follow suit.

[Mdmtx]

I retracted about 10 bids about a year ago. I saw those "Christmas Rack Packs" and they were being sold as a Topps item. So I bid away. Then I thought hmmm... maybe I better do a little research. After my bullshit meter finally went off, I retracted all the bids I had placed. I guess I just needed to confess this to someone since bid retractions are looked at with such disdain.

Mark

[ALR-bishop]

Do you feel better now Mark :)

[Mdmtx]

Absotively, posolutelty I feel better!!!

[tbob]

The best thing to do is to retract the bid and immediately go to the item web page and enter your correct bid. Not all sellers are scrooges and they will understand, especially if they check and see the bid retracted was a mistake. The longer you wait, however, the worse it will be so do it right away.
tbob

[bobbyw8469]

Not all sellers are scrooges and they will understand, especially if they check and see the bid retracted was a mistake.

I wouldnt necessairly say a seller is a scrooge because he blocks you. In almost all of my instances, the retraction is usually between 2-3 days later after the initial bid. It is though the buyer just simply changed his mind. Unacceptable. No other auction house allows retractions. Try doing that at Robert Edwards, Greg Bussineau, etc.

[tbob]

Bobby, I wasn't thinking of you when I wrote the post, I know you're a stand up guy. I simply meant that the theory that all ebay sellers flip out on a bid retraction if it is an honest mistake isn't true.
You are definitely right about the AHs not allowing that. I accidentally entered a bid with a major house when I forgot I already had the card and didn't even attempt to contact the AH because their rules are firm. I won it and ended up flipping it on ebay.

[D. Bergin]

If somebody sends me a message and explains their retraction, or re-enters their correct bid if they chose "bid wrong amount" (which they never seem to do), I don't worry about it.

If I go to their bid record and see this is a regular occurrence for them, they get blocked. They are manipulating auctions, plain and simple, not only that, they are manipulating MY auctions.

I don't care what they do over at Probstein or PWCC or wherever, but once they start doing it to me, then it is an issue for ME.

After reading I don't know how many threads on here about people being worried about "shilling" every time they see an auction with retractions, or a bidder in the mix with a ton of retractions, and that is going to affect the way "they" bid in the future with this particular seller, I'm surprised at the attitude of some about a seller who might want to be proactive about a subject like this.

I certainly am not being vindictive, and it doesn't happen a ton, but there's no reason to encourage it, unless somebody has a good reason.

......and yes, I would expect somebody selling Christmas Packs on a regular basis, would expect some bid retractions once people did a little reading up about them.

[bnorth]

Good point. Some sellers are vindictive and will put you on their blocked buyer list if you retract a bid...

I run into one of those vindictive sellers yesterday. I asked if their obviously altered card was real and if it would pass a grading company. Sellers response was "you are now blocked". Bet that card was real.:rolleyes:

[1952boyntoncollector]

Comparing a collector/seller and what they should do to Macy's is almost too ridiculous to even comment on. Almost.

I'll block a retractor because life is too short and I don't play games. In the OP case, it's obviously a mistake. But otherwise, I'll block you. When my revenues get to the point of Macy's, I'll change my practices.


Well JC Penny would do the same thing as Macys in terms of allowing people t bring stuff back and they are losing money so maybe they shouldn't let people return items...since they are losing money im assuming your revenues are better than jc penny..

[1952boyntoncollector]

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......and yes, I would expect somebody selling Christmas Packs on a regular basis, would expect some bid retractions once people did a little reading up about them.[/QUOTE]


id rather have someone bid retract than 'win' the item and deal with the headache of them trying to return it.....Im sure if you win Christmas packs you can return after 'winning' them ...

[Runscott]

Good point. Some sellers are vindictive and will put you on their blocked buyer list if you retract a bid...
right some weird sellers out there...if you retract just one time they do that..cant imagine Macys barring a customer for returning one item...

This is silliness. Blocking a bidder who negatively affects your auction, and who doesn't contact you to explain, is good business sense: you lose one 'customer' who didn't buy anything from you and who might have pissed off other customers who actually planned to, and by doing so you keep other real customers. I have even given refunds to winning bidders, based on ignoring someone's bids who might have looked like a shill to the winning bidder.

[Fred]

Would this bid retraction have anything to do with Ice Cream memorabilia? :p Snicker, snicker.... just kidding everyone.... oh yeah, Happy New Year to all!

[Runscott]

Would this bid retraction have anything to do with Ice Cream memorabilia? :p Snicker, snicker.... just kidding everyone.... oh yeah, Happy New Year to all!

I think in almost all cases bid retractions are bad - bad for the seller in that they 'usually' look bad to his other paying customers. But Phil showed us an example of where perhaps they are not bad for the seller: if Phil is sending the seller lots of business, but the only way he can do this is by sometimes retracting bids, and he informs the seller(s) of this in advance, then as a buyer I would be stupid to block him, unless his retractions make him appear to my other customers that he is a shill. I like money as much as the next guy.

[D. Bergin]

I think in almost all cases bid retractions are bad - bad for the seller in that they 'usually' look bad to his other paying customers. But Phil showed us an example of where perhaps they are not bad for the seller: if Phil is sending the seller lots of business, but the only way he can do this is by sometimes retracting bids, and he informs the seller(s) of this in advance, then as a buyer I would be stupid to block him, unless his retractions make him appear to my other customers that he is a shill. I like money as much as the next guy.

When he is an underbidder on a lot and he shows 93 retractions in the last 6 months, he looks like a shill to a lot of people, at least according to an untold number of threads on NET54 in the last several years dedicated to PWCC, Probstein, etc....

When he retracts a bid on a lot, and it shows he has 93 retractions in the last 6 months, he REALLY looks like a shill to everybody else who is left bidding on that lot.

[D. Bergin]

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......and yes, I would expect somebody selling Christmas Packs on a regular basis, would expect some bid retractions once people did a little reading up about them.


id rather have someone bid retract than 'win' the item and deal with the headache of them trying to return it.....Im sure if you win Christmas packs you can return after 'winning' them ...


I would rather not have to field bid retractions OR somebody returning something that is exactly what it was advertised to be.

It's not a one or the other choice.

I sell collectibles, I'm not a loan service or a vessel for others to suss out the bid ceiling so they can screw with other bidders AND my auctions.

[Runscott]

Dave, it is about the agreement with the seller. If the seller is okay with him appearing to be a shill, why do you personally care?

[D. Bergin]

Dave, it is about the agreement with the seller. If the seller is okay with him appearing to be a shill, why do you personally care?


You think he has 93 bid retractions with a single seller he had a conversation with?

I didn't see him mentioning a conversation or an agreement was made with ANY seller he made a retraction on. Just that they were lower end items, they didn't involve baseball, and thus it didn't matter that he pulled his bid on those auctions.

As long as he wasn't affecting the higher end baseball market, it was ok in his mind.

......on top of that, there's enough paranoid bidders that Ebay has helped cultivate with their practices, that every time Phil shows up as an underbidder on a "higher end baseball" auction, and the other bidders do a simple click of the mouse, they see the guy they are bidding against has more retractions then they have won items on his record. Generally they either run to NET54 and wonder out loud if the guy they are bidding against is a shill (10 other guys jump on the bandwagon and say they will never do business with this seller again), or they don't say a word, and they temper their bidding accordingly.

It's not just this board either. I've ventured on Ebay buyer boards on occasion and they are littered with threads of people asking "Have I just been shilled". Sometimes they were shilled, but 90% of the time I believe it's a situation with a bidder like this in the mix..........but most don't want to hear that, usually it's the seller that gets demonized in the process, not the ones interfering with the auction.

Right now he has bid on 11 items in the last 30 days, he has 5 bid retractions in that same amount of time.

He has 93 retractions in the last 180 days. 93. That's not a "whoopsie". If he has the blessings of other sellers because of this, he's either building up his retractions, to scare other bidders away on the items he REALLY wants, or he's just inconvenienced 93 others sets of sellers and bidders on items he DIDN'T really want.

I really have a hard time believing there's some benevolent reason for this.

I personally care, because this type of bidding has become epidemic on the site. It affects the entire realm of collectibles and it affects bidder confidence in general.

I've spoken to more then one collector over the years who say they don't bid on Ebay anymore because of the shenanigans that they think go on there. Whether their fears are founded or unfounded doesn't really matter. The perception is there.

[bobbyw8469]

You think he has 93 bid retractions with a single seller he had a conversation with?

I didn't see him mentioning a conversation or an agreement was made with ANY seller he made a retraction on. Just that they were lower end items, they didn't involve baseball, and thus it didn't matter that he pulled his bid on those auctions.

As long as he wasn't affecting the higher end baseball market, it was ok in his mind.

......on top of that, there's enough paranoid bidders that Ebay has helped cultivate with their practices, that every time Phil shows up as an underbidder on a "higher end baseball" auction, and the other bidders do a simple click of the mouse, they see the guy they are bidding against has more retractions then they have won items on his record. Generally they either run to NET54 and wonder out loud if the guy they are bidding against is a shill (10 other guys jump on the bandwagon and say they will never do business with this seller again), or they don't say a word, and they temper their bidding accordingly.

It's not just this board either. I've ventured on Ebay buyer boards on occasion and they are littered with threads of people asking "Have I just been shilled". Sometimes they were shilled, but 90% of the time I believe it's a situation with a bidder like this in the mix..........but most don't want to hear that, usually it's the seller that gets demonized in the process, not the ones interfering with the auction.

Right now he has bid on 11 items in the last 30 days, he has 5 bid retractions in that same amount of time.

He has 93 retractions in the last 180 days. 93. That's not a "whoopsie". If he has the blessings of other sellers because of this, he's either building up his retractions, to scare other bidders away on the items he REALLY wants, or he's just inconvenienced 93 others sets of sellers and bidders on items he DIDN'T really want.

I really have a hard time believing there's some benevolent reason for this.

I personally care, because this type of bidding has become epidemic on the site. It affects the entire realm of collectibles and it affects bidder confidence in general.

I've spoken to more then one collector over the years who say they don't bid on Ebay anymore because of the shenanigans that they think go on there. Whether their fears are founded or unfounded doesn't really matter. The perception is there.

Well said. I am a small seller on Ebay. Not even a drop in the bucket compared to Probstein and PWCC. However, I do have one thing in common with those other two guys. I like to run .99 cent auctions. Not many sellers run .99 cent auctions anymore. That being said, I have to work alot harder to protect my auctions than those other two guys. All is takes is one bad bidder to wipe me off the map.

Others might not agree with me, but that is why I work so hard to ensure my auctions are clean from that kind of stuff. So yes, I block bid retractors. Not the ones who it is a true mistake where they entered the wrong bid. However, that is very seldom the reason. The current policy is being abused. I have retractors who are the high bidders, then three-four days later, decide they no longer want the item. They falsely use the tired old "can't contact the seller", or "entered the wrong amount". Those guys get blocked.

[HRBAKER]

Unless it's a seller that I know well I don't assume that many of my ebay transactions are "arms-length." That's just ebay and the hobby. Frankly I've gotten to the point where I don't even look at other bidders and whether there are retractions, "0" feedback bidders, bidders with 90+% activity with this seller. That's just the stuff you can point to, who knows what else is going on.

Edit to Add: I am SURE there are many up and up sellers on EBAY but it is a minefield.

[earlywynnfan]

Scott, I completely agree with Dave here, and I'm surprised you don't see this as a problem. Shill bidding is one of the big reasons ebay is going downhill. I am astounded the forum has let someone with so many retractions slide.

Ken

[Runscott]

Ken, I was thinking entirely of it as a problem between Phil and the seller, and that any bidders would avoid the seller if they had a problem with it. Giving it more thought, there is the obvious problem (which was going right past me) of the winning bidders being shilled up by Phil. Phil was, in effect, acting as a shill for the seller, whether he intended it or not.

Sorry about that - oversight on my part, as I was trying to play devil's advocate for Phil.

[D. Bergin]

To try to be clear from my standpoint in as few words as possible.

I don't even see it as a shilling issue for the most part. To me it's a perception of shilling that is damaging, along with a strategic interference in auctions that more often then not, drive prices down, rather then up.

Shilling and bid retractions in the Ebay world, is a much different animal then those same concerns in the auction house world, IMO.

An auction house has one on one control of every aspect of their bidding experience. You decide whether they are trustworthy or not, based on their individual reputations.

Then I see broad statements about Ebay.........and "Ebay" is not trustworthy. I stay away from "Ebay", because of this experience and that experience with nameless bidder, seller, buyer, consignments house, etc......

It should be broken down into all the individual sellers on Ebay on a case by case basis, but a lot of collectors don't want to be hassled with that, so we all get painted with the same brush........and as a result business suffers.

The company Ebay itself is responsible for much of this. In their pursuit of buyers and bids, along with the illusion of now anonymous bidding, they have encouraged this behavior, when at one time it was penalized. Essentially telling bidders they can retract or cancel a transaction any time they want.

It's now up to individual sellers to police this behavior, but even those who do, are affected tremendously by those who don't. Whether it's to continue misguided shilling practices, or it's triggering the desperation train of thought that "any bid is a good bid"........if I let this guy f*#k with this auction, he might spend more money on my next auction.

It becomes just as maddening as my shoddy attempt to make my point in "as few words as possible".

;)

[Runscott]

Then I see broad statements about Ebay.........and "Ebay" is not trustworthy. I stay away from "Ebay", because of this experience and that experience with nameless bidder, seller, buyer, consignments house, etc......

It should be broken down into all the individual sellers on Ebay on a case by case basis, but a lot of collectors don't want to be hassled with that, so we all get painted with the same brush........and as a result business suffers.


I see your point.

[earlywynnfan]

To try to be clear from my standpoint in as few words as possible.

I don't even see it as a shilling issue for the most part. To me it's a perception of shilling that is damaging, along with a strategic interference in auctions that more often then not, drive prices down, rather then up.

Shilling and bid retractions in the Ebay world, is a much different animal then those same concerns in the auction house world, IMO.

An auction house has one on one control of every aspect of their bidding experience. You decide whether they are trustworthy or not, based on their individual reputations.

Then I see broad statements about Ebay.........and "Ebay" is not trustworthy. I stay away from "Ebay", because of this experience and that experience with nameless bidder, seller, buyer, consignments house, etc......

It should be broken down into all the individual sellers on Ebay on a case by case basis, but a lot of collectors don't want to be hassled with that, so we all get painted with the same brush........and as a result business suffers.

The company Ebay itself is responsible for much of this. In their pursuit of buyers and bids, along with the illusion of now anonymous bidding, they have encouraged this behavior, when at one time it was penalized. Essentially telling bidders they can retract or cancel a transaction any time they want.

It's now up to individual sellers to police this behavior, but even those who do, are affected tremendously by those who don't. Whether it's to continue misguided shilling practices, or it's triggering the desperation train of thought that "any bid is a good bid"........if I let this guy f*#k with this auction, he might spend more money on my next auction.

It becomes just as maddening as my shoddy attempt to make my point in "as few words as possible".

;)

I agree, I should have said perception of shilling, too. I had one buyer retract a bid for me earlier this year, (oops, last year!) and I got a little panicky. I watched him a while, and he never retracted it again, surely a harmless typo. But I almost wanted to send an email to the high bidder letting him know nothing evil was going on.

[Runscott]

I agree, I should have said perception of shilling, too. I had one buyer retract a bid for me earlier this year, (oops, last year!) and I got a little panicky. I watched him a while, and he never retracted it again, surely a harmless typo. But I almost wanted to send an email to the high bidder letting him know nothing evil was going on.

As a seller I am always concerned about perception of shilling.

I don't run straight auctions often, but when I do, and I see any bidder who could be perceived as a shiller, I send him a message asking for a response. If I get a halfway reasonable response I proceed as normal, but if I get ignored I remove all of his bids and add a message to the auction.

Only once have I done this and had the bidder complain that I removed his bids. He explained and I allowed him to continue bidding.

[pgellis]

Didn't want to start a new thread on this topic.

Check out this bidder's habits:

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidderProfile&mode=1&item=231830571749&aid=t***t&eu=a%2B2QdxhHzjEPrRDG650KZ%2FPGBFCMGK%2Bx&bidtid=-1&view=BUYER&ssPageName=PageBidderProfileViewBids_Buyer_ViewLin k

I was (am) the high bidder all week, then this person outbids me by less than a couple bucks the other day, then this morning (just more than 12 hours left in the bidding) retracts his bid. It's funny how it was retracted just before the required 12 hour limit.

I am not accusing the seller of anything shady (he does have perfect feedback).

But why would someone retract just before the 12 hour deadline?

How can eBay allow someone that has 216 retractions in the last 6 months to continue to bid? I wanted to cancel my bid out of frustration, but feel bad doing it for "no good reason".

Can anyone find someone with more than 216 retractions in the last 6 months?

[Buythatcard]

If someone retracts a bid early in the auction and then corrects his bid and resubmits it I have no problem with that. But if someone retracts a bid and then does not bid again, I will block them.

If there are multiple retractions by the same bidder, then I will go the next step and call eBay. Last week, I had a situation where a bidder retracted 6 bids on 6 different items and did not place another bid. This brought down the price of each one of the items. I called eBay to complain about the bidder.

Here is what they told me. First thing to do is block the bidder. In cases where the bidder retracted their bid in the final hours or if they retracted multiple bids, I should call eBay like I did. I was told that even if I didn't call, eBay keeps track of all retractions. If a bidder has multiple retractions, then eBay would restrict their bidding. So, by reading a previous post I see there was a bidder who had 216 retractions. But don't worry, eBay is restricting their bidding. Yeah right.

[1952boyntoncollector]

[QUOTE=pgellis;1500901]Didn't want to start a new thread on this topic.



But why would someone retract just before the 12 hour deadline?



I can answer that one, some people put in the wrong bid but don't want to be known as a retractor, so they wait to see as long as possible if their bid beaten so that way they don't have to retract it.....of course i know you are assuming the bad side of things..but it could also be what i stated.

[pgellis]

[QUOTE=pgellis;1500901]Didn't want to start a new thread on this topic.



But why would someone retract just before the 12 hour deadline?



I can answer that one, some people put in the wrong bid but don't want to be known as a retractor, so they wait to see as long as possible if their bid beaten so that way they don't have to retract it.....of course i know you are assuming the bad side of things..but it could also be what i stated.

The reserve was $29.95. I place a bid for $30.01. This bidder placed a bid of $31.00. How can that be a wrong bid?
And oh yeah, he has two more bid retractions since I posted this today. Up to 218 bid retractions in the past 6 months...a little more than 1 bid retractions per day over that period.
It's not a mistake, but can't figure out what he's doing or why? And how does eBay allow this?

[1952boyntoncollector]

[QUOTE=1952boyntoncollector;1501015]

The reserve was $29.95. I place a bid for $30.01. This bidder placed a bid of $31.00. How can that be a wrong bid?
And oh yeah, he has two more bid retractions since I posted this today. Up to 218 bid retractions in the past 6 months...a little more than 1 bid retractions per day over that period.
It's not a mistake, but can't figure out what he's doing or why? And how does eBay allow this?

yeah that sounds bad...did card sell at 30.01?

[pgellis]

It's at the opening bid of $29.95 with about 3 hours to go.

This is the only item that this seller has active, so I don't think he has anything to do with it. But why would someone continually retract bids? Can't be drunk eBaying can it?:D

[slidekellyslide]

It's at the opening bid of $29.95 with about 3 hours to go.

This is the only item that this seller has active, so I don't think he has anything to do with it. But why would someone continually retract bids? Can't be drunk eBaying can it?:D

They are bidding to see what the top bid is. They now have an advantage over the top bidder in that they know what they are willing to spend on the item. They retract and then decide if they want to bid on the item again, usually with a snipe.

[D. Bergin]

It really is disgusting that Ebay lets this go on. Between shilling, the perception of shilling and straight up sabotaging of auctions, there's no reason they should allow more then a few genuine retractions a year from any particular bidder...and even that's giving the benefit of the doubt.

[JustinD]

They are bidding to see what the top bid is. They now have an advantage over the top bidder in that they know what they are willing to spend on the item. They retract and then decide if they want to bid on the item again, usually with a snipe.

+1

Despicable.

There are so many reasons I use a sniper service. Until ebay changes ( which just is not going to happen, as they are making MORE money because of shills) I will never make anything more than a minimum bid prior to 5 seconds of the gavel drop.

[1952boyntoncollector]

It really is disgusting that Ebay lets this go on. Between shilling, the perception of shilling and straight up sabotaging of auctions, there's no reason they should allow more then a few genuine retractions a year from any particular bidder...and even that's giving the benefit of the doubt.

still ebay a LOOT better than auction house...if someone retracts a bid you know about it and you can get the seller to cancel the sale if you 'win' the item a lot easer with ebay then another AH where you don't even know that you are being shilled...plus if someone retracts a bid you may have enough time to retract your own bid as well...

[D. Bergin]

still ebay a LOOT better than auction house...if someone retracts a bid you know about it and you can get the seller to cancel the sale if you 'win' the item a lot easer with ebay then another AH where you don't even know that you are being shilled...plus if someone retracts a bid you may have enough time to retract your own bid as well...


What if you're a seller and you have to deal with this dipsh*t behavior. As I've explained before, a lot of the time it isn't even a shilling situation. It's a bidding strategy to sabotage an auction.

Hell, even in non-retraction situations it's getting ridiculous out there. I had an item up several weeks ago that I'm convinced two bidders drove up to a very high level, with zero intention to pay, in order to drive up the realized price of something they already had in their collection.

Within a short time of the auction closing, both the first and second high bidders start trying to negotiate with me to sell them the piece at a fraction of what they originally bid on the item. I filed a non-paying strike and blocked the high bidder. I doubt there were any consequences to him however.

Meanwhile, I have two of the exact same item in the ended auction listings on Ebay, with two very different results, and to anybody doing the research, I'm probably the one who looks like the bad guy here.

There are zero repercussions for buyers with bad intentions.

[1952boyntoncollector]

What if you're a seller and you have to deal with this dipsh*t behavior. As I've explained before, a lot of the time it isn't even a shilling situation. It's a bidding strategy to sabotage an auction.

Hell, even in non-retraction situations it's getting ridiculous out there. I had an item up several weeks ago that I'm convinced two bidders drove up to a very high level, with zero intention to pay, in order to drive up the realized price of something they already had in their collection.

Within a short time of the auction closing, both the first and second high bidders start trying to negotiate with me to sell them the piece at a fraction of what they originally bid on the item. I filed a non-paying strike and blocked the high bidder. I doubt there were any consequences to him however.

Meanwhile, I have two of the exact same item in the ended auction listings on Ebay, with two very different results, and to anybody doing the research, I'm probably the one who looks like the bad guy here.

There are zero repercussions for buyers with bad intentions.


understand....the seller better chance to get screwed on ebay, the buyer more chance to get screwed off ebay with better chance of shilling due to having zero information on who is bidding....sellers that have their cards shilled don't complain, its the buyers..

I do think ebay is tougher on buyers that don't pay then sellers doing all the questionable stuff that has long been discussed... of course buyers can start more and more new accounts..but we can block buyers on ebay with less than x amount of feedback

[Mikehealer]

I do think ebay is tougher on buyers that don't pay then sellers doing all the questionable stuff that has long been discussed

How are they tough on buyers that don't pay? I really do not know. What actions do they take?

[1952boyntoncollector]

How are they tough on buyers that don't pay? I really do not know. What actions do they take?

they terminate their account and/or restrict the amount they are allowed to bid....the seller get away with selling fake mantles /badly represented cards etc ...

[Mikehealer]

they terminate their account and/or restrict the amount they are allowed to bid....the seller get away with selling fake mantles /badly represented cards etc ...

Do the terminate all their accounts or just the one that didn't pay?

[earlywynnfan]

Slightly off-topic: I bought a set of Beats off ebay for my daughter for Christmas. Turns out, they didn't work well, so I asked the seller to return. This was my first time through the process. He didn't reply, so I called ebay. They were VERY helpful, saw all my emails, and so no response. So they closed the case and I had the money back in my account in two days, and I got to keep the beats! (Which work occasionally.)

What really surprised me is that he's still an active seller!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Do the terminate all their accounts or just the one that didn't pay?

look at my prior post, I did state that people can start up new accounts, but again sellers can block people with less than X feedback..

so yeah I would guess they would only terminate the account that didn't pay, but you are going to run out of accounts with over X feedback if they get blocked..

[D. Bergin]

look at my prior post, I did state that people can start up new accounts, but again sellers can block people with less than X feedback..

so yeah I would guess they would only terminate the account that didn't pay, but you are going to run out of accounts with over X feedback if they get blocked..


No. You can only block buyers with less then zero feedback last I checked, which is like finding a unicorn or a bigfoot, since it's impossible for a buyer to accrue a negative feedback.

Even if there is a set number, it's completely useless. Most of these clowns that retracts on a regular basis actually have tons of positive feedback already. Is a seller supposed to just block everybody and expect to get bids?

[1952boyntoncollector]

No. You can only block buyers with less then zero feedback last I checked, which is like finding a unicorn or a bigfoot, since it's impossible for a buyer to accrue a negative feedback.

Even if there is a set number, it's completely useless. Most of these clowns that retracts on a regular basis actually have tons of positive feedback already. Is a seller supposed to just block everybody and expect to get bids?

not that easy to get 50 feedback and to get blocked when don't pay on one auction...takes awhile to get the feedback just to get blocked like that and banned potentially from ebay..and yeah you can block people with under 50 feedback if you check....

I wouldn't block everyone, just non legit buyers...if there is a real legit buyer out there that is blocked..he will contact you and pay by paypal in a direct deal and you take off the listing once paid....everyone wins..

also if these clowns have tons of feedback then they must be buying something.(assuming its buying feedback)...not sure what 'tons' of feedback is though......I can tell you every time I have consigned to PWCC I have been paid and they sell on ebay as well....why not just consign it and not deal with the hassle..thats what they get paid to do

[UnVme7]

An example of why I don't understand when people bid early on an auction.

The only reason I see is if you are trying to make the BIN disappear. Other than that you are only bidding against yourself.

Not picking on anyone in particular, but I just don't get it in general.

[D. Bergin]

not that easy to get 50 feedback and to get blocked when don't pay on one auction...takes awhile to get the feedback just to get blocked like that and banned potentially from ebay..and yeah you can block people with under 50 feedback if you check....

I wouldn't block everyone, just non legit buyers...if there is a real legit buyer out there that is blocked..he will contact you and pay by paypal in a direct deal and you take off the listing once paid....everyone wins..

also if these clowns have tons of feedback then they must be buying something.(assuming its buying feedback)...not sure what 'tons' of feedback is though......I can tell you every time I have consigned to PWCC I have been paid and they sell on ebay as well....why not just consign it and not deal with the hassle..thats what they get paid to do


Sorry man, I'm not even gonna try anymore. Good luck with your buying and consigning.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Sorry man, I'm not even gonna try anymore. Good luck with your buying and consigning.

I am not the one complaining so don't need to wish me good luck with anything..

good luck to you in addressing all the problems you seem to be having..

[D. Bergin]

I am not the one complaining so don't need to wish me good luck with anything..

good luck to you in addressing all the problems you seem to be having..


I'm curious. How many retractions do you have?

[1952boyntoncollector]

I'm curious. How many retractions do you have?

a couple when I see someone else retract ahead of me...

im curious after all the problems on ebay, do you still sell there? Have you implemented any changes? if no new changes and you still sell there why complain

[D. Bergin]

a couple when I see someone else retract ahead of me...

im curious after all the problems on ebay, do you still sell there? Have you implemented any changes? if no new changes and you still sell there why complain


Yes, I still sell there. Been selling there for probably 17-18 years. Will probably always sell there in some capacity.

I've implemented plenty of changes, and actually have very few problems myself. I try to be very proactive. Plenty of changes I wish I didn't have to implement. Ebay used to be much funner (and profitable) to sell on for me, but I roll with the punches whether I like it or not.

This your way of saying STFU if you don't like it?

[Runscott]

NM...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Yes, I still sell there. Been selling there for probably 17-18 years. Will probably always sell there in some capacity.

I've implemented plenty of changes, and actually have very few problems myself. I try to be very proactive. Plenty of changes I wish I didn't have to implement. Ebay used to be much funner (and profitable) to sell on for me, but I roll with the punches whether I like it or not.

This your way of saying STFU if you don't like it?

so you still sell there after all the arguments how its impossible to sell there...and you have very few problems....looks like a very profitable endeavor...yet all the complaints.......and you still sell there...enough said..

[Runscott]

NM...can't believe I got sucked into this quagmire :(

[D. Bergin]

so you still sell there after all the arguments how its impossible to sell there...and you have very few problems....looks like a very profitable endeavor...yet all the complaints.......and you still sell there...enough said..


Hold on a second. Why don't you narrow down for me this LOOOOOOONG list of complaints that I've outlined.

This thread is about "retractions" on Ebay. I've outlined how habitual retractions are harmful to the marketplace that is Ebay for various reasons.

Something Ebay can put a stop to with a very, very simple policy change.

Sometimes people relate various "anecdotes" of bad experiences on Ebay. Never have I said that it is "impossible" or even very difficult to sell on Ebay. If it was I wouldn't even be wasting my time on that platform.

Ebay is constantly shooting themselves in the foot and I see a once reliable platform going to garbage. You think this is a great development, and consigning stuff to PWCC or Probstein instead is the bees knees...well then good for you.

[Runscott]

NM...

[1952boyntoncollector]

[QUOTE=D. Bergin;1501456]Hold on a second. Why don't you narrow down for me this LOOOOOOONG list of complaints that I've outlined.

well you did say you cant block everyone..but yet you are very profitable and done it for years...ebay is fine...you can consign and not have to worry about bid retractions....if you make more money than probsten and pwcc then i see zero problem. (i would assume you would consign to them if they did better than you do)..heck many people on net54 think pwcc prices are inflated becasue of shilling etc...if you are getting more than pwcc prices than like i said whats the problem..ebay is working just fine for you...plus you can block bidders with limited feedback or not....

people should consign to you it appears because of the profits you are getting....nothing will have no problems.......but we have seen other auction houses with huge shilling problems..which is bad for the buyer.....looks like you should roll with the punches some more

i just giving an opinion, really no need about asking me whether i do bid retractions or not...i simply was giving you some advice about blocking people with limited feedback then you argued and said they coudl form many more accounts, but then i said the feedback would be very low for any new accounts....just my opinion man...is it perfect no, but its not impossible..you dont need to block everyone.

[D. Bergin]

Hold on a second. Why don't you narrow down for me this LOOOOOOONG list of complaints that I've outlined.

well you did say you cant block everyone..but yet you are very profitable and done it for years...ebay is fine...you can consign and not have to worry about bid retractions....if you make more money than probsten and pwcc then i see zero problem. (i would assume you would consign to them if they did better than you do)..heck many people on net54 think pwcc prices are inflated becasue of shilling etc...if you are getting more than pwcc prices than like i said whats the problem..ebay is working just fine for you...plus you can block bidders with limited feedback or not....

people should consign to you it appears because of the profits you are getting....nothing will have no problems.......but we have seen other auction houses with huge shilling problems..which is bad for the buyer.....looks like you should roll with the punches some more

i just giving an opinion, really no need about asking me whether i do bid retractions or not...i simply was giving you some advice about blocking people with limited feedback then you argued and said they coudl form many more accounts, but then i said the feedback would be very low for any new accounts....just my opinion man...is it perfect no, but its not impossible..you dont need to block everyone.


I think you need to re-read the thread again. :confused:

[Beastmode]

Comparing a collector/seller and what they should do to Macy's is almost too ridiculous to even comment on. Almost.

I'll block a retractor because life is too short and I don't play games. In the OP case, it's obviously a mistake. But otherwise, I'll block you. When my revenues get to the point of Macy's, I'll change my practices.


:):):) I like it.

[1952boyntoncollector]

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[1952boyntoncollector]

I think you need to re-read the thread again. :confused:

i was going to say the same thing about you....most of my posts have what you said in your own words so maybe you are confused about your own words..who knows..

[D. Bergin]

i was going to say the same thing about you....most of my posts have what you said in your own words so maybe you are confused about your own words..who knows..

Don't think so.

This is just for you Jake.

Not that it will mean anything to you, or even to me if I'm being honest (because I don't think it's a very useful tool, but you're the one who brought it up and then told me I was complaining just because I said you were wrong). Here is a page with Ebay's Buyer Requirement options for sellers:

Notice the section marked "Block Buyers With a Negative Feedback Score Of".

<img src="http://site.pugilistica.com/Net54BSTStuff/EbayScreenshotBuyerRequirements.png">

[Mikehealer]

look at my prior post, I did state that people can start up new accounts, but again sellers can block people with less than X feedback..

so yeah I would guess they would only terminate the account that didn't pay, but you are going to run out of accounts with over X feedback if they get blocked..

So they only terminate the account that didn't pay. So if they have numerous accounts it really doesn't affect them. That's what I thought, just wanted the expert to confirm it, thanks.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Don't think so.

This is just for you Jake.

Not that it will mean anything to you, or even to me if I'm being honest (because I don't think it's a very useful tool, but you're the one who brought it up and then told me I was complaining just because I said you were wrong). Here is a page with Ebay's Buyer Requirement options for sellers:

Notice the section marked "Block Buyers With a Negative Feedback Score Of".

<img src="http://site.pugilistica.com/Net54BSTStuff/EbayScreenshotBuyerRequirements.png">



lots of ways to block bidders...you can block a bidder with just one unpaid strike it shows in last 6 months...that should be good enough and is better than feedback actually...someone with great feedback may not be paying in the last 6 months and now you know...so looks like ebay gives lots of useful tools to block bad bidders...not impossible at all and you wont block everybody for sure...

[Beastmode]

lots of ways to block bidders...you can block a bidder with just one unpaid strike it shows in last 6 months...that should be good enough and is better than feedback actually...someone with great feedback may not be paying in the last 6 months and now you know...so looks like ebay gives lots of useful tools to block bad bidders...not impossible at all and you wont block everybody for sure...

:):) Agreed. I have no sympathy for the sellers that come on this board and complain about crappy buyers on e-bay. Block the retractors and low feedback bidiots. If someone really likes your stuff, they'll send you a message, then you can make a decision.

E-bay is the best-of-the-worst auction platforms. Superior than the AH's where you bid blind, can't snipe, never ending auctions, and fine print disclaimers that promote shilling.

Either cull down your herd of buyers, or be a whore-seller and open it up to the world (scum included). Can't have it both ways.

[1952boyntoncollector]

:):) Agreed. I have no sympathy for the sellers that come on this board and complain about crappy buyers on e-bay. Block the retractors and low feedback bidiots. If someone really likes your stuff, they'll send you a message, then you can make a decision.

E-bay is the best-of-the-worst auction platforms. Superior than the AH's where you bid blind, can't snipe, never ending auctions, and fine print disclaimers that promote shilling.

Either cull down your herd of buyers, or be a whore-seller and open it up to the world (scum included). Can't have it both ways.

+1

[D. Bergin]

:):) Agreed. I have no sympathy for the sellers that come on this board and complain about crappy buyers on e-bay. Block the retractors and low feedback bidiots. If someone really likes your stuff, they'll send you a message, then you can make a decision.

E-bay is the best-of-the-worst auction platforms. Superior than the AH's where you bid blind, can't snipe, never ending auctions, and fine print disclaimers that promote shilling.

Either cull down your herd of buyers, or be a whore-seller and open it up to the world (scum included). Can't have it both ways.


So you're ok with buyers having unlimited retractions? Because that's what this thread is about?

I would think that's an issue for both honest sellers AND buyers.

Jake turned it into a blocked bidder issue by stating faulty information he insisted was correct, which I thought I cleared up pretty straight forward with a screenshot, but he tap danced around it anyways.

I didn't see anybody complain about not having enough tools to block buyers with. That's something Jake brought up with some magic number of (50), that did not exist (yes Jake, it's still closer to the absolutely unattainable (-1). It's a pointless option, which was the only point I was trying to make.

Jake seems to think it's the best thing in the world to be able to retract bids and cancel transactions on a whim. If so, great...but there's going to be push back to that.

For you or him to imply, well just STFU then and go sell somewhere else, is pretty condescending.

If you've never sold on Ebay, and your solution to ANY problem is to just block everybody from bidding in your auctions, and then just waiting for people to contact you so you can vet them one by one...well, I don't know what to say to you.

All I've been saying from the beginning, is how about EBAY just limit retractions, BAM! A whole host of problems solved right there. Easy f*cking peasy!

Shilling questions, a lot of bad buyer issues...AND a ton of bad seller issues, would dramatically decrease overnight. I don't see how that even debatable.

Jake's answer is to just consign your stuff with the big boys who don't give a crap about bidders who retract in their auctions habitually (or let you place "hidden reserve" bids), because according to Jake, he gets his consignment check on time, whether somebody is messing with his auction lots or not.....oh, and he still gets to cancel transactions and retract his bids whenever he wants to also.

BTW, the big boys wouldn't touch my stuff with a 10-foot pole. I'm very, very small time, and anyways, I think I'm perfectly capable of selling my stuff on my own.

I'm not complaining either. At least 99.5% of buyers are fantastic. I know very well how to block buyers I don't want bidding or buying from me. Doesn't mean I ignore everything else going on around me, and just watch in disinterest as Ebay is very slowly destroying their own platform from within...it also doesn't mean that I should just STFU on the rare occasion I (or anybody else) might want to share an anecdote when something IMO, goes very, very wrong...or I notice a new pattern in behavior among a certain segment of buyers that could warn other sellers of the pitfalls they might face (same as what is done here everyday regarding dishonest sellers).

Ebay is still the biggest and best game in town, but there was a time when it was about 1000% more compelling to both buyers and sellers.

I don't even know why I let Jake drag me into this, but he pushed some sort of button in me....and well, here I am I guess.

[D. Bergin]

+1


1+1-3 = -1

:):)

[tschock]

I didn't see anybody complain about not having enough tools to block buyers with. That's something Jake brought up with some magic number of (50), that did not exist (yes Jake, it's still closer to the absolutely unattainable (-1). It's a pointless option, which was the only point I was trying to make.

Dave,
Take heart as at least one person got the point you were trying to make. :) I didn't realize that worthless "option" still existed. :eek:

[h2oya311]

Dave,
Take heart as at least one person got the point you were trying to make. :) I didn't realize that worthless "option" still existed. :eek:

+1 -

I hope you don't feel dejected after having been ridiculed for stating your opinions and actually providing some useful information in this thread...some members on this site are toxic and really should "STFU" so that members with useful information (like you) will continue to post interesting perspectives and information for all to enjoy. I liked this thread up until some members jumped down your throat for no reason.

For the record, I don't even know Dave and have probably never transacted with him on Net54 or eBay, but I appreciate his insight on this important subject.

[ALR-bishop]

+ 2.

I am just a buyer but would like to see retractions drastically reduced by ebay through a policy change

[Runscott]

I don't even know why I let Jake drag me into this, but he pushed some sort of button in me....and well, here I am I guess.

Very nice post, and to even it out, my favorite post ever by Jake:

man looking at the last 30 or so posts..i have to think, man some posters think MY posts are confusing ...but yet they can understand all of those posts with the analogies ..I need a rosetta stone

Scott <=== internet special - today only - looks for best in all internet posters.

[ALR-bishop]

delete

[jason.1969]

I accidentally bid $1439 rather than $14.39 for a raw Rickey Henderson RC in VG. As there was only about a minute left, I didn't find out how to cancel in time. Luckily the card only cost me a few extra bucks. A shiller could have robbed me blind.

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[D. Bergin]

Thanks guys. I'm really ok. Just a little bit frustrated at the comprehension sometimes.

I should have probably just let it go to begin with. :)

[slidekellyslide]

Thanks guys. I'm really ok. Just a little bit frustrated at the comprehension sometimes.

I should have probably just let it go to begin with. :)

Dave, I can relate and empathize with everything you posted as I do a ton of selling on ebay too. I +1 everything you have said in this thread. I've seen enough though of certain posters here to pretty much never engage them.

[Runscott]

Dave, I can relate and empathize with everything you posted as I do a ton of selling on ebay too. I +1 everything you have said in this thread. I've seen enough though of certain posters here to pretty much never engage them.

What used to frustrate me is that the dishonesty of ebay sellers and their consignors creates an uneven playing field, which is made worse by economies of scale and popularity that grows due to the success of this dishonesty (with their consignors who are Net54 members), allowing a few cheaters who are also good at business to dominate the market.

If you don't cheat and don't tolerate your consignors cheating, you suffer from an uneven playing field. This is also true of auction houses.

[slidekellyslide]

What used to frustrate me is that the dishonesty of ebay sellers and their consignors creates an uneven playing field, which is made worse by economies of scale and popularity that grows due to the success of this dishonesty (with their consignors who are Net54 members), allowing a few cheaters who are also good at business to dominate the market.

If you don't cheat and don't tolerate your consignors cheating, you suffer from an uneven playing field. This is also true of auction houses.

There is certainly a lot of dishonesty on both the buying and selling side, but ebay could certainly make it much harder on serial bid retractors. If you're averaging one retracted bid per day (or per week) obviously you're up to no good. I recently had 5 bid retractions on 5 different items by the same ebayer. His excuse was "entered wrong amount". On every single one of them he had entered the minimum bid.

[1952boyntoncollector]

So you're ok with buyers having unlimited retractions? Because that's what this thread is about?

I would think that's an issue for both honest sellers AND buyers.

Jake turned it into a blocked bidder issue by stating faulty information he insisted was correct, which I thought I cleared up pretty straight forward with a screenshot, but he tap danced around it anyways.

I didn't see anybody complain about not having enough tools to block buyers with. That's something Jake brought up with some magic number of (50), that did not exist (yes Jake, it's still closer to the absolutely unattainable (-1). It's a pointless option, which was the only point I was trying to make.

Jake seems to think it's the best thing in the world to be able to retract bids and cancel transactions on a whim. If so, great...but there's going to be push back to that.

For you or him to imply, well just STFU then and go sell somewhere else, is pretty condescending.

If you've never sold on Ebay, and your solution to ANY problem is to just block everybody from bidding in your auctions, and then just waiting for people to contact you so you can vet them one by one...well, I don't know what to say to you.

All I've been saying from the beginning, is how about EBAY just limit retractions, BAM! A whole host of problems solved right there. Easy f*cking peasy!

Shilling questions, a lot of bad buyer issues...AND a ton of bad seller issues, would dramatically decrease overnight. I don't see how that even debatable.

Jake's answer is to just consign your stuff with the big boys who don't give a crap about bidders who retract in their auctions habitually (or let you place "hidden reserve" bids), because according to Jake, he gets his consignment check on time, whether somebody is messing with his auction lots or not.....oh, and he still gets to cancel transactions and retract his bids whenever he wants to also.

BTW, the big boys wouldn't touch my stuff with a 10-foot pole. I'm very, very small time, and anyways, I think I'm perfectly capable of selling my stuff on my own.

I'm not complaining either. At least 99.5% of buyers are fantastic. I know very well how to block buyers I don't want bidding or buying from me. Doesn't mean I ignore everything else going on around me, and just watch in disinterest as Ebay is very slowly destroying their own platform from within...it also doesn't mean that I should just STFU on the rare occasion I (or anybody else) might want to share an anecdote when something IMO, goes very, very wrong...or I notice a new pattern in behavior among a certain segment of buyers that could warn other sellers of the pitfalls they might face (same as what is done here everyday regarding dishonest sellers).

Ebay is still the biggest and best game in town, but there was a time when it was about 1000% more compelling to both buyers and sellers.

I don't even know why I let Jake drag me into this, but he pushed some sort of button in me....and well, here I am I guess.


You seem to be putting a lot of words in my mouth......you say things like 'according to jake' etc.....you made a comment about whether I read the thread..you maybe need to read the thread.....

where do I talk about getting a consignment check on time, where do I say its great to retract bids on a whim where did I say its the best thing in the world........your arguments really look bad when you begin to make up stuff to go with an extreme opinion which I clearly did not say....I argued with you and showed it isn't impossible to block bad bidders...some people agree.....why make up stuff that I didn't say......

.I talked about an example about blocking feedback amounts...so if it doesn't work, theres other options like blocking people that have made a retraction in the last 30 days...you were the one that said it was impossible then you said you roll with the punches with what ebay gives...it doesn't look like you are doing that ...I just commenting that there are tools out there to use...whether you consign or do another blocking method...lots of methods..no need to say things or make up thoughts that I never said...no need to be so dramatic, you aren't on an episode of the Bachelor...when you make up things it really hurts your argument..

go an re-read the thread...

[ALR-bishop]

Great come back Jake

[D. Bergin]

You seem to be putting a lot of words in my mouth......you say things like 'according to jake' etc.....you made a comment about whether I read the thread..you maybe need to read the thread.....

where do I talk about getting a consignment check on time, where do I say its great to retract bids on a whim where did I say its the best thing in the world........your arguments really look bad when you begin to make up stuff to go with an extreme opinion which I clearly did not say....I argued with you and showed it isn't impossible to block bad bidders...some people agree.....why make up stuff that I didn't say......

.I talked about an example about blocking feedback amounts...so if it doesn't work, theres other options like blocking people that have made a retraction in the last 30 days...you were the one that said it was impossible then you said you roll with the punches with what ebay gives...it doesn't look like you are doing that ...I just commenting that there are tools out there to use...whether you consign or do another blocking method...lots of methods..no need to say things or make up thoughts that I never said...no need to be so dramatic, you aren't on an episode of the Bachelor...when you make up things it really hurts your argument..

go an re-read the thread...


Hello Jake. :)

[1952boyntoncollector]

Great come back Jake

just the facts.....another great post by bishop..

[thecatspajamas]

FWIW, I appreciate Dave and Scott and Dan advising on the ins and outs of eBay selling and policies. So many times I have felt compelled to correct something misstated, and found you beat me to it. You have collectively saved me hours of typing to try and right the wrongs of the internet. ;)