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steve_a
12-14-2014, 08:20 PM
I've seen several references recently to the Gretzky Wagner being the first card graded by PSA. I always assumed the 00000001 cert number was a trophy number for PR. For instance there is no 00000002 using the cert verification. Looking at historical ads in Old Cardboard you see a lot of nice cards with that old flip font and cert numbers below 1mm, ie; 01000001, 01000544, 01000840 etc. Confusing though because there are also cards with 90mm handles like 90000001 or 90363515. A few years ago there was a big deal when they graded their 20mm card and gave it a cert of 20000000. My recent subs are sequential and seem to be in line with that milestone. Anyone know for certain what the first card was or what the early numbering signified?

Peter_Spaeth
12-14-2014, 08:39 PM
First card was Wagner.

steve_a
12-14-2014, 08:55 PM
Anyone know the second?

tribefan
12-14-2014, 09:10 PM
I may be wrong, but I thought the first graded cards were 52 Topps owned by Dave Hall.

Leon
12-14-2014, 09:30 PM
Anyone know the second?

The other piece of the Wagner?

kailes2872
12-14-2014, 09:53 PM
The other piece of the Wagner?

I haven't had a chance to submit it. Do you think that it would raise the value?

ullmandds
12-14-2014, 09:53 PM
The other piece of the Wagner?

good one!

clydepepper
12-14-2014, 10:23 PM
I haven't had a chance to submit it. Do you think that it would raise the value?


Is that a pencil mark about two-thirds down from the top in the center?

kailes2872
12-14-2014, 10:37 PM
Is that a pencil mark about two-thirds down from the top in the center?

It was a rush job... Let's just say the exacto knife wasn't very exacto and the card inside would have fallen well short of PSA 8 :D

KCRfan1
12-14-2014, 11:54 PM
I haven't had a chance to submit it. Do you think that it would raise the value?

BCCG and PRO would likely grade this a 9.

atx840
12-14-2014, 11:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/NqEyAly.jpg

Jobu
12-15-2014, 02:23 PM
Big wavy borders, definitely hand-cut. Yep, that is a scrap alright!

I haven't had a chance to submit it. Do you think that it would raise the value?

Jobu
12-15-2014, 02:24 PM
That one should be numbered 00000000(1/2)

http://i.imgur.com/NqEyAly.jpg

Leon
12-16-2014, 10:48 AM
http://i.imgur.com/NqEyAly.jpg

Nice one Chris. I wonder how long that would last on the PSA board :)?

And Kevin, I think I see the outline of Wags....nice job!!

brookdodger55
12-16-2014, 10:59 AM
I haven't had a chance to submit it. Do you think that it would raise the value?

More like an artist proof

atx840
12-16-2014, 11:10 AM
Nice one Chris. I wonder how long that would last on the PSA board :)?

And Kevin, I think I see the outline of Wags....nice job!!


It's legit, according to T206resource.com. ????

#42

http://www.t206resource.com/Wagner-Gallery.html

auggiedoggy
12-16-2014, 12:27 PM
The other piece of the Wagner?

Too funny! :D

Sean
12-16-2014, 01:13 PM
It's legit, according to T206resource.com. ????

#42

http://www.t206resource.com/Wagner-Gallery.html

No sales data on it? :confused:

Leon
12-16-2014, 01:20 PM
It's legit, according to T206resource.com. ????

#42

http://www.t206resource.com/Wagner-Gallery.html

As long as all of whatever is there, is at least authentic, I don't have any issue with an AUT holder. But that can't be their second card graded....though it would be funny.

WhenItWasAHobby
12-17-2014, 09:48 AM
First card was Wagner.

Was it truly graded or just put in a slab with a label? :confused:

Steve D
12-17-2014, 06:14 PM
Cert #00000002 doesn't come up in PSA's database.

Steve

glynparson
12-18-2014, 04:37 PM
That Wagner was submitted by 707 and sold in their first (i Think) and I believe only SCD PSA card auction. That was also the first Card they (PSA) slabbed without a number grade. It was absolutely Authentic and I have no problem with that being in a holder. If memory serves me correct it sold for less then 10k. This was somewhere around 1996-97 era.

turtleguy64
12-18-2014, 07:56 PM
Good one ,Leon.And I still can't figure out how Joe Orlando has escaped scrutiny of all the recent card fraud investigations.

Leon
12-19-2014, 03:28 PM
Good one ,Leon.And I still can't figure out how Joe Orlando has escaped scrutiny of all the recent card fraud investigations.

I assure you Joe O. hasn't escaped scrutiny. I just think he passes the test. Even though I don't agree on everything PSA does I don't think, from everything I have seen, Joe is complicit in any wrongdoing (maybe I will be proven wrong). From what I recall he was either in college and/or in Minor League Baseball when that first Wags was graded. As far as other things, I have never seen evidence of anything except them losing Dan's card. :)

turtleguy64
12-25-2014, 07:32 AM
Leon, you may be right but let's not completely overlook what was probably not an even playing field when it came to Jo Schmo submitting cards for grading as opposed to big auctionhouses submitting to PSA and getting more liberal higher grades from them.Someone would have to convince me that this was NOT the case.