No love for FSU....

[CMIZ5290]

Boy, tomorrow's game against Miami scares the dickens out of me...Hope I'm wrong, any thoughts??

[Runscott]

I hope Miami thrashes them. If Fisher had kicked Winston off the team and Florida State had supported his decision, I think Florida State would be an underdog fan favorite now, but none of that happened.

[bbcard1]

As a Marshall fan, it's hard for me to whip up a lot of sympathy for FSU not feeling the love....

[TUM301]

Between Winston, the Head Coach, and the way FSU has handled the past 12 months, I can`t remember a more "unlikeable" team in college football for awhile. I know the group of college fans I`m around EVERY Sat. look forward to 2 things, their team winning and FSU going down the drain.

[jason.1969]

It is plausible this year that FSU could win out the season and still miss the playoffs. Being leapfrogged by Oregon, whose schedule wasn't frankly that scary, shows the committee is putting a ton of weight into opponent strength. FSU can't point to much, as even their controversial win against ND no longer seems as impressive.

[CMIZ5290]

It is plausible this year that FSU could win out the season and still miss the playoffs. Being leapfrogged by Oregon, whose schedule wasn't frankly that scary, shows the committee is putting a ton of weight into opponent strength. FSU can't point to much, as even their controversial win against ND no longer seems as impressive.

Jason...No way in the world that would happen. If they win out, you're talking about the defending National champions, and riding a 31 game winning streak.

[jason.1969]

It would be unusual but here is how I would see it unfolding. If Bama beats Miss St today in a close game, Bama gets in the top 4 while State stays in with both potentially above FSU based on schedule strength. (May sound odd but I certainly see both their schedules tougher than 1-loss Oregon.) So then FSU and TCU are battling for a final spot in the top 4. If FSU is unimpressive in wins vs soft opponents while TCU looks good, then maybe. Not saying it's right...just plausible. Of course TCU is not looking so good against KU right now.

[Runscott]

Miami might settle this the old-fashioned way.

[gopherfan]

It would be unusual but here is how I would see it unfolding. If Bama beats Miss St today in a close game, Bama gets in the top 4 while State stays in with both potentially above FSU based on schedule strength. (May sound odd but I certainly see both their schedules tougher than 1-loss Oregon.) So then FSU and TCU are battling for a final spot in the top 4. If FSU is unimpressive in wins vs soft opponents while TCU looks good, then maybe. Not saying it's right...just plausible. Of course TCU is not looking so good against KU right now.

It looks like Jason had this dead on. I didn't see Baylor jumping ahead of TCU, and I would like to TCU in the final 4. I would also like to see Ohio State in the final 4. I need Auburn to beat Alabama, and either Mississippi or Missouri to beat Mississippi State in the next couple games. I would really love to not have any SEC teams in the final 4.

[nolemmings]

It looks like Jason had this dead on. I didn't see Baylor jumping ahead of TCU, and I would like to TCU in the final 4. I would also like to see Ohio State in the final 4. I need Auburn to beat Alabama, and either Mississippi or Missouri to beat Mississippi State in the next couple games. I would really love to not have any SEC teams in the final 4.

Then you need Oregon to lose. I can't agree with Jason either. If FSU wins out, there's no way an undefeated National Champion (undefeated last year too) misses out on the tournament, especially as it is the only undefeated team in the country (with apologies and kudos to Marshall). No chance.

[jiw98]

The way I see it is FSU is in if they win out(nobody left on their schedule should beat them).
The SEC champion is in if that team is from the SEC West(or Georgia even with 2 losses).
Oregon, TCU, Baylor, and a one loss team from the SEC West will fight it out for the final two spots assuming these teams end with only one loss.
I don't see a BIG 10 team making it in without all the stars aligning perfectly.:mad:
Let's face it, the SEC is the toughest football conference in college. I would not be shocked if two teams from the SEC made it to the playoff.
All this from a fan that would like nothing better than to see a BIG 10 team win it all.:D

[Runscott]

It looks like Jason had this dead on. I didn't see Baylor jumping ahead of TCU, and I would like to TCU in the final 4. I would also like to see Ohio State in the final 4. I need Auburn to beat Alabama, and either Mississippi or Missouri to beat Mississippi State in the next couple games. I would really love to not have any SEC teams in the final 4.

I can't understand how any football fan would want the strongest conference in the nation to beat themselves out of having a rep in the 'final 4'. If possible for it to even occur, which I don't think it is, such a scenario would take away from the legitimacy of the title-winner.

At this point I think Oregon and Alabama are the only definites. Florida State has proven they can be outscored until late in the game, by not-so-great teams. If Florida has a lead late, I think they hold it.

[gopherfan]

I can't understand how any football fan would want the strongest conference in the nation to beat themselves out of having a rep in the 'final 4'.

Because I am tired of the SEC. I understand they are the best conference. I don't believe they are head and shoulders above every other conference. I am also sick of every SEC lover telling me that when a very mediocre A&M team beats Auburn that it's because they are all so great, but when Arizona beats Oregon, or Ohio State beats Michigan State, that it's because they just weren't that good to begin with.

I'm also tired of them playing sisters of the poor for their non-conference games and everyone excuses it because, "the conference schedule is such a grind". When it happens in other conferences, people talk about the weakness of the schedule.

A&M and Mizzou weren't super awesome when they were in the Big12, but they did fine moving over to the SEC. Did they get that much better overnight? Or was the SEC maybe not soooo much better then every other conference?

/end rant

[vintagetoppsguy]

Because I am tired of the SEC. I understand they are the best conference. I don't believe they are head and shoulders above every other conference. I am also sick of every SEC lover telling me that when a very mediocre A&M team beats Auburn that it's because they are all so great, but when Arizona beats Oregon, or Ohio State beats Michigan State, that it's because they just weren't that good to begin with.

I'm also tired of them playing sisters of the poor for their non-conference games and everyone excuses it because, "the conference schedule is such a grind". When it happens in other conferences, people talk about the weakness of the schedule.

A&M and Mizzou weren't super awesome when they were in the Big12, but they did fine moving over to the SEC. Did they get that much better overnight? Or was the SEC maybe not soooo much better then every other conference?

/end rant

Very well said and excellent points.

I think the SEC is way overrated.

[Runscott]

You know, over the last few years I have heard so many people tell me I am pompous that I was starting to believe it;however, you make very good points, and I can totally see them...so maybe I'm not really pompous?

Your points are certainly valid, but here is my response to each:

Because I am tired of the SEC. I understand they are the best conference. I don't believe they are head and shoulders above every other conference.
I get that. When A&M (my alma-mater) was in the SW Conference, I got sick of hearing the same about the Big-[insert #] conferences being so fantastic. They were all stronger than us, but it still would have been nice to see them get screwed every now and then, even if it was unfair. I don't know how much better the SEC is than the other conferences, but they do have some great teams. If you enjoyed seeing FL. State beat Auburn, the legitimate champ of the SEC, last year, then you should enjoy seeing MORE SEC teams in the final 4 this year, and seeing ALL of them get taken down.

I am also sick of every SEC lover telling me that when a very mediocre A&M team beats Auburn that it's because they are all so great, but when Arizona beats Oregon, or Ohio State beats Michigan State, that it's because they just weren't that good to begin with.

Sorry, but A&M isn't mediocre. They have glaring weaknesses, which exposes them against some teams, but their strengths shine against others. The problem is that they aren't balanced. That's a problem for a lot of teams lately - look at some of the dogfights we've seen this year - 82 points from one team? What the heck. Lots of huge-scoring games, lots of defensive weaknesses exposed. These days it's all about how you match up against any particular team.

I'm also tired of them playing sisters of the poor for their non-conference games and everyone excuses it because, "the conference schedule is such a grind". When it happens in other conferences, people talk about the weakness of the schedule.

I hate that too. But the danger of doing that is that you might get beat, or played too close, which can kill you on strength of schedule. LA-Monroe almost beat A&M, but I agree that such teams shouldn't even be on the schedules of supposedly good teams. As far as other conferences, if you are in a conference that is perceived as being weak, then you better schedule one or two tough non-conference games. That's the game now - everyone knows it.

A&M and Mizzou weren't super awesome when they were in the Big12, but they did fine moving over to the SEC. Did they get that much better overnight? Or was the SEC maybe not soooo much better then every other conference?

Yes, they did. So did Auburn. Auburn sucked two years ago - I mean, really sucked. Now they are very good. A&M caught lightning in a bottle with Manziel two years ago - it was a freaky thing that allowed them to keep their offense on the field long enough to hide their defensive weaknesses. This year it took teams a few games to get adjusted to Kenny Hill, and then they pounded A&M's terrible defense. Auburn was another 'new quarterback' deal. It happens.

I haven't really followed Missouri much, but they did not get good overnight - their first year in the SEC was pretty horrible. Playing better teams, and having to prepare for them, makes you better. So now Missouri is better.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I'm an FSU alum and shocked that we haven't lost yet. That being said, if we go undefeated we deserve to be #1 - you have to beat the champ.

[gopherfan]

Thanks for the reply, Scott.

How about South Carolina? Every year I have to hear about how awesome they are, and every year they end up with 3 or 4 losses. Of course this is because it is so tough to win in the vaunted SEC. Arkansas, same thing. Georgia lost to Boise State a couple years ago in basically a home game. Boise State got little credit because it was all gimmicks, trick plays, and Georgia just had a bad day.

Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Arkansas are free wins this year.

I don't think LSU is a top 25 team, but they are what? 17th? How is that possible? They have 4 losses, and are below .500 in the SEC. They were lucky to get by Wisconsin (how does Gordon only get 5 touches in the second half after rushing for 170 in the first half?), but some great wins against Sam Houston St., Louisiana-Monroe, New Mexico St., Florida (having a horrible year) and Kentucky. They have 2 decent wins. How are they 17th again? And every team that beats them gets a power ranking boost for beating a "top team".

As far as A&M being a really good team, I don't buy it. They have one quality win. Auburn, and they needed to fumble recoveries in the last 3 minutes to hang on to that one. I am not giving them quality win credit for beating South Carolina. Sorry, can't do it.

Why don't we just rank all the SEC teams in the top 25, and if one of them beats another one, we can just exchange their spot in the polls.

[Runscott]

Thanks for the reply, Scott.

How about South Carolina? Every year I have to hear about how awesome they are, and every year they end up with 3 or 4 losses. Of course this is because it is so tough to win in the vaunted SEC. Arkansas, same thing. Georgia lost to Boise State a couple years ago in basically a home game. Boise State got little credit because it was all gimmicks, trick plays, and Georgia just had a bad day.

Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and Arkansas are free wins this year.

I don't think LSU is a top 25 team, but they are what? 17th? How is that possible? They have 4 losses, and are below .500 in the SEC. They were lucky to get by Wisconsin (how does Gordon only get 5 touches in the second half after rushing for 170 in the first half?), but some great wins against Sam Houston St., Louisiana-Monroe, New Mexico St., Florida (having a horrible year) and Kentucky. They have 2 decent wins. How are they 17th again? And every team that beats them gets a power ranking boost for beating a "top team".

As far as A&M being a really good team, I don't buy it. They have one quality win. Auburn, and they needed to fumble recoveries in the last 3 minutes to hang on to that one. I am not giving them quality win credit for beating South Carolina. Sorry, can't do it.

Why don't we just rank all the SEC teams in the top 25, and if one of them beats another one, we can just exchange their spot in the polls.

I understood your previous points, but now you just sound angry. The SEC is just another college football conference - it isn't worth getting so upset about. Besides, this 4-team playoff system should solve most of the problem with coming up with a legitimate champ.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I understood your previous points, but now you just sound angry. The SEC is just another college football conference - it isn't worth getting so upset about. Besides, this 4-team playoff system should solve most of the problem with coming up with a legitimate champ.
I think the playoff will prove to be a better idea than in practice.

[Section103]

Arkansas, same thing.

Either this is hyperbole, out of context, or you're making stuff up. Arkansas has 1 conference win in the last 2 years. Nobody is talking about Arkansas being good on a national level. They're getting better. They're tough and physical. They're not a great team and haven't been since Bobby P fell off his motorcycle.

[Runscott]

I think the playoff will prove to be a better idea than in practice.

I think that with four teams, you probably have the best one somewhere in the mix, so it should solve the complaint that sometimes the best team is not the National Champion. At least with the new system, the best team will get a legitimate shot at it.

But I was very surprised when this 4-team playoff thing was sold as solving all the problems. The big problem now is the same one the NCAA basketball tourney faced. Bubble-teams would complain that they missed out on a shot, meaning that it was no longer about a National Champion, but rather, about getting more coverage and money for your team by simply getting in. So they expanded the field and the same thing happened. They expanded again, same thing....

The same thing will no-doubt occur with a 4-team football playoff. What about the 5th and 6th teams? If TCU, Mississipi and Baylor win out, two of those teams will be screaming "foul".

[gopherfan]

I understood your previous points, but now you just sound angry. The SEC is just another college football conference - it isn't worth getting so upset about. Besides, this 4-team playoff system should solve most of the problem with coming up with a legitimate champ.

I might be a little bitter. I am a fan of a team not in the SEC, so I feel there is no chance of ever seeing them in final 4.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I think that with four teams, you probably have the best one somewhere in the mix, so it should solve the complaint that sometimes the best team is not the National Champion. At least with the new system, the best team will get a legitimate shot at it.

But I was very surprised when this 4-team playoff thing was sold as solving all the problems. The big problem now is the same one the NCAA basketball tourney faced. Bubble-teams would complain that they missed out on a shot, meaning that it was no longer about a National Champion, but rather, about getting more coverage and money for your team by simply getting in. So they expanded the field and the same thing happened. They expanded again, same thing....

The same thing will no-doubt occur with a 4-team football playoff. What about the 5th and 6th teams? If TCU, Mississipi and Baylor win out, two of those teams will be screaming "foul".
Perhaps. I think the AP and coaches polls would be better than this committee. It seems a little cloak and dagger to me.

[Section103]

Coaches have a serious conflict of interest, though.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Coaches have a serious conflict of interest, though.
That's true but why should Archie Manning (formerly) and Condoleezza Rice decide seeding?

[Section103]

Anyone knowledgeable and without a direct conflict of interest should be able to be part of the process. The general assumption is that these people know football. I have no knowledge to the contrary, do you?

[Runscott]

That's true but why should Archie Manning (formerly) and Condoleezza Rice decide seeding?

Agreed - seems like this committee's decisions will get even more blowback for decisions than previous ranking methods. But I think it was a good thing that they are doing weekly rankings and making a big deal about it. Their decisions are being questioned and debated each week, and that should result in people understanding the selection process better so that there won't be as much backlash by those who don't get selected.

[gopherfan]

Either this is hyperbole, out of context, or you're making stuff up. Arkansas has 1 conference win in the last 2 years. Nobody is talking about Arkansas being good on a national level. They're getting better. They're tough and physical. They're not a great team and haven't been since Bobby P fell off his motorcycle.

Apparently beating a horrible Arkansas team by 1 doesn't hurt Alabama, but beating Kansas by 4 will knock TCU down in the polls.

From ESPN:

Mississippi State is followed by TCU, which slipped to No. 5 after a closer-than-expected win against Kansas on Saturday. Ohio State moved up two spots to No. 6, ahead of TCU's Big 12 rival Baylor.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11899535/college-football-playoff-rankings-alabama-crimson-tide-oregon-ducks-top

[Runscott]

You aren't making much sense. Arkansas just shut out LSU. LSU should have beaten Alabama.

Minnesota is in the list, at the very bottom - ahead of both LSU and Arkansas,who aren't in it at all. Revel in that for a week and quit fixating on the SEC.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Anyone knowledgeable and without a direct conflict of interest should be able to be part of the process. The general assumption is that these people know football. I have no knowledge to the contrary, do you?
I would agree that they know football. What seems off is that most (if not all) have close ties to major schools.

[Section103]

I would agree that they know football. What seems off is that most (if not all) have close ties to major schools.

I think that's a fair criticism. I don't have an easy way around it as most everyone went somewhere (and in some cases) may even be closely associated with a university within their career. No matter who selects (coaches, committee, AP, etc), Im in favor of disclosing votes at an individual level for transparency purposes.

[Section103]

Apparently beating a horrible Arkansas team by 1 doesn't hurt Alabama, but beating Kansas by 4 will knock TCU down in the polls.

From ESPN:

Mississippi State is followed by TCU, which slipped to No. 5 after a closer-than-expected win against Kansas on Saturday. Ohio State moved up two spots to No. 6, ahead of TCU's Big 12 rival Baylor.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11899535/college-football-playoff-rankings-alabama-crimson-tide-oregon-ducks-top

It wouldn't have been possible for Alabama to fall in the polls after the 1 point win to Arky because.......there was no CFP poll at that time. Im pretty sure Bama's ranking is considering their entire body of work - including that game. Personally, Im not convinced they're #1, but I absolutely believe they are top 4. Vegas, on the other hand, does absolutely believe they are #1. That's not bias, that's straight $ on the line.

[Runscott]

It wouldn't have been possible for Alabama to fall in the polls after the 1 point win to Arky because.......there was no CFP poll at that time. Im pretty sure Bama's ranking is considering their entire body of work - including that game. Personally, Im not convinced they're #1, but I absolutely believe they are top 4. Vegas, on the other hand, does absolutely believe they are #1. That's not bias, that's straight $ on the line.

So who is #1?


Oregon? they have shown more glaring defensive weaknesses than any team in the top 7
Florida State? In a 4-team playoff, their inability to play football in the first half could get them knocked out in the 1st round. I doubt the come-backs they've staged against average teams will work against Alabama or Mississippi State.
Mississippi State? Alabama just beat them fairly soundly
TCU? I don't think they will even win out, but if they do, they lose the 1st playoff game
Ohio State? Possibly. A dark horse if they can get in.
Baylor? Another team with huge defense issues

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

So who is #1?


Oregon? they have shown more glaring defensive weaknesses than any team in the top 7
Florida State? In a 4-team playoff, their inability to play football in the first half could get them knocked out in the 1st round. I doubt the come-backs they've staged against average teams will work against Alabama or Mississippi State.
Mississippi State? Alabama just beat them fairly soundly
TCU? I don't think they will even win out, but if they do, they lose the 1st playoff game
Ohio State? Possibly. A dark horse if they can get in.
Baylor? Another team with huge defense issues

FSU mentally beats teams in the second half. In this way they remind me of Tyson in his prime, when people were scared to hit him.

[Section103]

So who is #1?


Oregon? they have shown more glaring defensive weaknesses than any team in the top 7
Florida State? In a 4-team playoff, their inability to play football in the first half could get them knocked out in the 1st round. I doubt the come-backs they've staged against average teams will work against Alabama or Mississippi State.
Mississippi State? Alabama just beat them fairly soundly
TCU? I don't think they will even win out, but if they do, they lose the 1st playoff game
Ohio State? Possibly. A dark horse if they can get in.
Baylor? Another team with huge defense issues


My short answer is "I don't know". I think Alabama is a better team than Oregon by just a bit; but I also think Oregon has had a better season by just a bit. I don't know what to make of FSU. They start out slow against anyone in the FCS and they're done. I think all 3 of them clearly belong in the top 4 and could be placed in any order. I would probably lean UO, AL, FSU - but....whatever.

I have a much harder time with TCU, Baylor and Miss State for the 4 spot.

[bbcard1]

And still no sign of a 10-0 Thundering Herd that soundly beat a decent Rice team last week.Not saying we should be in the 4, but we certainly belong in the top 25.

[Runscott]

Well, our discussion is at least as good as ESPN's.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

And still no sign of a 10-0 Thundering Herd that soundly beat a decent Rice team last week.Not saying we should be in the 4, but we certainly belong in the top 25.
I agree with that.

[jiw98]

If I counted correctly, there are 10 FBS conferences. If the NCAA wants a real National Champion, they should invite only schools that won their conference. The teams could be ranked 1-10. The first week of the play-offs play the bottom four against each other. With eight teams left play 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7.... Winners keep playing until a champion is decided. Four weeks and all is won or lost on the field.
With a tournament like this there should be no complaining, you win your conference or stay home. If you want to be in the play-offs join a conference.

[CMIZ5290]

My short answer is "I don't know". I think Alabama is a better team than Oregon by just a bit; but I also think Oregon has had a better season by just a bit. I don't know what to make of FSU. They start out slow against anyone in the FCS and they're done. I think all 3 of them clearly belong in the top 4 and could be placed in any order. I would probably lean UO, AL, FSU - but....whatever.

I have a much harder time with TCU, Baylor and Miss State for the 4 spot.

I think what hurts FSU as much as anything, is their team from last year. I consider them as one of the best teams of all time. With the exception of the National title game, they absolutely destroyed everybody. They average 54 points a game, and allowed around 10 points per game. I know the panel is
not supposed to consider things such as this, but I think it does happen to some degree....

[Runscott]

I think what hurts FSU as much as anything, is their team from last year. I consider them as one of the best teams of all time. With the exception of the National title game, they absolutely destroyed everybody. They average 54 points a game, and allowed around 10 points per game. I know the panel is
not supposed to consider things such as this, but I think it does happen to some degree....

You have got to be kidding. They beat a bunch of seriously crappy teams, then barely beat Auburn. Last year was a down year for college football. Florida State is better this year, but so are a lot of other teams. The panel doesn't need to consider anything other than this year - another year where Florida State has played a bunch of mediocre teams.

[CMIZ5290]

You have got to be kidding. They beat a bunch of seriously crappy teams, then barely beat Auburn. Last year was a down year for college football. Florida State is better this year, but so are a lot of other teams. The panel doesn't need to consider anything other than this year - another year where Florida State has played a bunch of mediocre teams.

Scott- you need to go back and look at the schedule from last year. They beat teams 80-14, 77-14, 59-3, 68-7, etc...If you think FSU is better this year than last year, I am in complete disbelief and shock. In addition, they had about 9 guys from last years team that went in the the draft. Sorry, but this is where we have to agree to disagree big time. Last years team was far superior, not even close...

[Runscott]

I did. They played a weak schedule. They were certainly worthy of their final ranking, but weak for a national champion.

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[CMIZ5290]

I did. They played a weak schedule. They were certainly worthy of their final ranking, but weak for a national champion.

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As they have this year. My point is the difference in how they won games last year vs. this year. That's all the dumbass experts on ESPN want to talk about. It is not even close. Their defense last year was vastly better than this years defense, they completely dominated teams and got 3 and outs all throughout games....

[Runscott]

As they have this year. My point is the difference in how they won games last year vs. this year. That's all the dumbass experts on ESPN want to talk about. It is not even close. Their defense last year was vastly better than this years defense, they completely dominated teams and got 3 and outs all throughout games....

Okay, I see now what you are saying.

I have been watching the discussions each week since the rankings began, where they talk about how the panel members voted, and why. Surprisingly (to me, anyway), they seem logical and fair. I really don't think they are holding it against FL State that they aren't winning 'as big' this year. Also, they will be in the final 4 as long as they can get by Florida, and then they can prove that they deserve a repeat. And if they can't get by Florida, I don't they don't deserve to be in anyway.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

You have got to be kidding. They beat a bunch of seriously crappy teams, then barely beat Auburn. Last year was a down year for college football. Florida State is better this year, but so are a lot of other teams. The panel doesn't need to consider anything other than this year - another year where Florida State has played a bunch of mediocre teams.
I have to disagree with you 100% on this year's team. Last year's team was much better, quite a few guys from that team are in the NFL.

The championship is another thing. The Noles shocked everyone with their level of play there. But a win is a win.

[Runscott]

I don't follow them closely - you are probably right. I gave this year's team credit for some strong comebacks, despite the fact that they shouldn't have gotten in those situations to begin with; however, I still don't consider last year's team to be a great one - all of the good teams last year had glaring flaws. Same thing this year - perhaps it is a trend we should get used to


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[Section103]

Getting closer.......its pretty clear that FSU, Alabama and Oregon are in so long as they dont trip up in their championship games. Some pecking order will be set up between Baylor, TCU and Ohio State. I think this is the week you'll hear some heavy howling by #5 and #6. With that said, I have no complaints at all with the system so far.

[CMIZ5290]

Getting closer.......its pretty clear that FSU, Alabama and Oregon are in so long as they dont trip up in their championship games. Some pecking order will be set up between Baylor, TCU and Ohio State. I think this is the week you'll hear some heavy howling by #5 and #6. With that said, I have no complaints at all with the system so far.

Newsflash....Ga. Tech is probably going to beat FSU, and it pains me to say that....

[Section103]

Newsflash....Ga. Tech is probably going to beat FSU, and it pains me to say that....

Maybe. A part of me thinks FSU just hasnt been challenged or interested. We'll see. A lot of people are picking WI over OSU too.

[CMIZ5290]

Maybe. A part of me thinks FSU just hasnt been challenged or interested. We'll see. A lot of people are picking WI over OSU too.

Rich- you may be right. I can never remember a season where a team went 12-0 and was so scrutinized. Again, I think a lot of it is because of how dominant they were last year. They lost 12 or 13 players to the NFL, that's unheard of. They just simply aren't as good as last years team. Also, Winston really seems to be struggling compared to last year. Again, that may have a lot to due with the key players lost on offense.

[gopherfan]

I can see Wisconsin beating OSU. J.T. Barrett getting hurt is a tough blow for the Buckeyes.

Oregon got blown out by Arizona last year, and lost to them again this year. Could be interesting. I think Oregon wins going away, but I am no expert.

Alabama in with a win, even if it is unimpressive. I don't think Missouri has what it takes to beat them. Alabama in a blowout.

TCU should be in the top 4 now with the MSU loss. They should have been anyways in my opinion, considering their only loss was to the #5 or #6 team (depending on the poll) by 3 on the road. Baylor should not be ahead of TCU based on head to head. Their loss was much worse.

Florida State, as much as I hate this years team, should be in if they win. I don't think you can keep out the defending National Champion when they are undefeated. I don't think the previous season should have any bearing on the current season (see how I contradicted myself there), but they are undefeated, and I can't think of a team that is clearly better that is on the outside looking in. Maybe OSU before Barrett got hurt. I don't know if the pollsters take injuries into account?

Here's to a good weekend of College Football. Good luck to those of you that have teams in the running. Myself, I will be cheering for a New Year's Day bowl for the Gophers. (How is Nebraska ranked ahead of them?)

[jason.1969]

The new rankings illustrate what I put forth a few weeks ago--that FSU could have won out and still missed the playoffs.

As of now, this will not happen. GT, up next for FSU, now looks like a strong enough team for an FSU win to impress. And more importantly, the Miss St loss to Ole Miss took Miss St out of contention.

However, I definitely believe--fair or not--that if Miss St had won they would be ahead of FSU, meaning FSU would now be fifth.

While not a Seminole fan, I am glad my doomsday scenario didn't hold. Had FSU been left out, I think the eventual champ's #1 rank would feel tainted in that the defending champ was still undefeated. So as it is, I think we will have a very legit champ when the year's all over.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Glad to see my school close out the conference 13-0. Unfortunately I fully expect some weird shit from the committee.

[jason.1969]

FSU will make it in. The question now is whether OSU unseats the Big 12 rep.

[Section103]

Agree that FSU is in. They just are. Ohio State, Baylor, TCU.....will be very, very interesting.

The one thing I will add that I like about this process is that I much prefer to argue about who is #4 and # 5, than to argue who is #2 and #3.

[CMIZ5290]

Agree that FSU is in. They just are. Ohio State, Baylor, TCU.....will be very, very interesting.

The one thing I will add that I like about this process is that I much prefer to argue about who is #4 and # 5, than to argue who is #2 and #3.
You know what? This could be incredibly interesting....While I'm an FSU fan, I am sick of all the bullshit off field, and yet another stupid close game tonite by FSU because their dumbass coach doesn't know how to press down on the throttle...They have won 29 games in a row, that is the only thing in their favor with the board. They are simply not one of the best 4 teams right now...This could be one of the biggest uproars in sports if they don't make it....And it would go on for a while...

[clydepepper]

I'm posting after all the games but before the 'decisions' are made.

IMHO:

OSU gets in over TCU or Baylor
FSU is the most underwhelming undefeated team ever, but gets in
Bama and Oregon are two best teams

Best results will have Bama first playing FSU, then Oregon

[Runscott]

Nice job Raymond.

My understanding is that they have finally come up with a solution that works for everyone: They choose a final 4 and the winner plays the winner of the Southeastern Conference. That method would acknowledge the clear superiority of the SEC, AND insure that a member of the crappy Big 12 makes the playoffs.

The current method fails on at least two counts - the SEC (Alabama) is matched-up against the Big 10 (OSU), which will do nothing but completely deflate the egos of all the Big 10 sympathizers who have been whining all year about how the SEC does not deserve the respect it receives as the best conference in college football. It also highlights the fact that the 'final 4' selection was all about television match-ups and advertising revenue.

[gopherfan]

Nice job Raymond.

The current method fails on at least two counts - the SEC (Alabama) is matched-up against the Big 10 (OSU), which will do nothing but completely deflate the egos of all the Big 10 sympathizers who have been whining all year about how the SEC does not deserve the respect it receives as the best conference in college football.

I assume this comment was for me. Thanks.

[Runscott]

Rob, it was all tongue-in-cheek, but I do think you were feeling way too hurt over the nation's perception that the SEC is much stronger than the Big 10. With a 4-team playoff, it was very unlikely that a Big 10 team would be left out, unless it was deserved. I think OSU is one of the top 4 teams, but I also think Alabama will pound them. I have no skin in the game, so I don't care who wins - I'll probably pull for OSU, just because they are the underdogs.

Also, I think the Big 12 is extremely weak this year - I might not have wasted my time even watching Alabama play TCU or Baylor.

One more thing - for the purpose of this thread discussion, I think it's great that both OSU and FSU made it to the final 4. I would like to see a selection rule where there cannot be two teams from the same conference unless they are ranked 1 and 2. That would put the SEC complaints to rest.

[HRBAKER]

They're not getting much love tonight (so far).
Dug themselves a mighty deep hole.

My gosh,............another fumble!

[CMIZ5290]

Good job Dumbo Fisher, huge new contract going into the game. You are a joke pal....Also, anyone that thinks Jameis Winston is going to be a great pro, please be prepared to the opposite....

[HRBAKER]

Good job Dumbo Fisher, huge new contract going into the game. You are a joke pal....Also, anyone that thinks Jameis Winston is going to be a great pro, please be prepared to the opposite....

Take a look at the last 15 QBs before Famous Jameis to win the Heisman and tell me how many good NFL QBs you find. I'll save you the time, 1 - Vinny Testaverde.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Good job Dumbo Fisher, huge new contract going into the game. You are a joke pal....Also, anyone that thinks Jameis Winston is going to be a great pro, please be prepared to the opposite....

Did Fisher cause all those turnovers, or was I watching the wrong game?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Take a look at the last 15 QBs before Famous Jameis to win the Heisman and tell me how many good NFL QBs you find. I'll save you the time, 1 - Vinny Testaverde.

Better take some more time - Carson Palmer. Arizona's season would have been much different with a healthy Palmer.

Edited to add: it's too early in their careers, but I think you can add Newton and RGIII in their too in a few years.

[HRBAKER]

David,

You are right, Palmer has had an ok career. I think it remains to be seen what kind of a shelf life the Newton/RGIII style of play has in the NFL. My opinion - not very long. 2 for 15, or 13 for that matter is pretty long odds.

[clydepepper]

IMHO - A big problem with College Quarterbacks is leaving school early. Rather than track the Heisman winning QBs pro performance, track those who left early vs. those who stayed and got the experience they needed.

[gopherfan]

I am pretty sure that they should have left TCU in the top 4. How long until they go to 8 teams?

[jason.1969]

Weird FSU stat
... outscored opponents by a total of 4 points in their final 8 games and still went 7-1!

[clydepepper]

The bowl games are great but the REAL competition will be next year between Braxton Miller, J.T. Barrett, and Cardale Jones!

I've never seen the quarterback position three-deep in superstar quality before!

Jones is even bigger than Cam Newton...agile and 6-5, 250 - amazing!


Hey Jameis - Baseball doesn't like thugs either.

[jason.1969]

Were the outcomes of the CFP playoffs predetermined? Maybe. After all, Seminoles is an anagram of "Lose 'n Semi," and while it is usually FSU who is mockingly called the Criminoles, this Crimson Tide anagram shows it was Bama guilty on their last drive of the only transgression that matters in NCAA football: "Crime is no TD!"

[HRBAKER]

I thought the games were very compelling notwithstanding Oregon running off and leaving FSU in the dust. I think it gives creedence to what a lot of pundits have been saying about them most of the year. I am glad they were in though so it played out on the field.

What was the deal with a lot of the team walking off the field without shaking hands with Oregon? Were they afraid they would fumble the handshake?

[Runscott]

I don't think most of us were surprised too much by the FSU/Oregon result - playing from behind in the second half to beat average teams is not a good formula for beating a top 4 team. FSU apparently perform well when desperate.

But Ohio State? I'm stunned that Alabama could waste a 21-6 lead like that. The interception from OSU's 20 yd-line was unforgivable, given how well the run had been working for them.

I will certainly eat crow after that game. All-in-all, I haven't been impressed with the Southeastern Conference's bowl performance, other than Texas A&M, who I didn't think would win.

As far as 8 games goes - that isn't happening until you declare these college students to be professionals and pay them (when education officially becomes second to minor league NFL football). The goal was to ensure that the best team had a shot at the end - a 4-team playoff is enough to do that. Anything beyond that becomes just that much more about money.

[clydepepper]

I don't think most of us were surprised too much by the FSU/Oregon result - playing from behind in the second half to beat average teams is not a good formula for beating a top 4 team. FSU apparently perform well when desperate.

But Ohio State? I'm stunned that Alabama could waste a 21-6 lead like that. The interception from OSU's 20 yd-line was unforgivable, given how well the run had been working for them.

I will certainly eat crow after that game. All-in-all, I haven't been impressed with the Southeastern Conference's bowl performance, other than Texas A&M, who I didn't think would win.

As far as 8 games goes - that isn't happening until you declare these college students to be professionals and pay them (when education officially becomes second to minor league NFL football). The goal was to ensure that the best team had a shot at the end - a 4-team playoff is enough to do that. Anything beyond that becomes just that much more about money.


At the time of the 21-6 lead, Ohio State had outgained Alabama 348-to-140 - only the two turnovers kept it from being a rout from the start.

As a Georgian, I'm just happy Georgia and Georgia Tech won and did so convincingly.

I think TCU should be rated #3 right now....Mississippi isn't that bad and that was complete domination.

[jiw98]

What I see after the bowl games so far is that maybe the SEC West isn't as strong of a conference after all. The only team from the West that won their Bowl game is Texas A&M (a former BIG 12 team).
The conference that seems to get bashed (BIG 10) showed a lot of grit knocking off two of the SEC West teams. The BIG 10 also knocked off the BIG 12 co-champion. Maybe there isn't as big of difference in talent as some are thinking.
That being said I think TCU belonged in the play-off. They certainly played their Bowl game like they belonged. What a statement they made against yet another SEC West team.
Good luck to Oregon and Ohio State.

[Runscott]

What I see after the bowl games so far is that maybe the SEC West isn't as strong of a conference after all. The only team from the West that won their Bowl game is Texas A&M (a former BIG 12 team).
The conference that seems to get bashed (BIG 10) showed a lot of grit knocking off two of the SEC West teams. The BIG 10 also knocked off the BIG 12 co-champion. Maybe there isn't as big of difference in talent as some are thinking.
That being said I think TCU belonged in the play-off. They certainly played their Bowl game like they belonged. What a statement they made against yet another SEC West team.
Good luck to Oregon and Ohio State.

You could be right about lack of disparity. The SEC certainly didn't show up for bowl season.

Regarding TCU's belonging - this wasn't about getting the best 4, rather it was about getting a legitimate champion. Any team can appear to be the best at the end of the season - just look at all the wild cards in both MLB and the NFL that have gone on to win championships. Perhaps TCU actually is the best team. Perhaps Baylor is...I mean 'was'...and now Michigan State is? If OSU beats Oregon, everyone will say they got it right, except, of course TCU.

If you go to 'best 8', you'll have several teams screaming that they were at least the 8th best team - instead of 2 (Baylor and TCU), you will have 3-4. Look at the NCAA tourney - every time they expanded the field, they simply expanded the number of complaints about getting left out.

[HRBAKER]

Speaking of the Big 10, did Iowa send the third string to Jacksonville? The Volunteers aren't exactly world beaters.

[Section103]

If you go to 'best 8', you'll have several teams screaming that they were at least the 8th best team - instead of 2 (Baylor and TCU), you will have 3-4. Look at the NCAA tourney - every time they expanded the field, they simply expanded the number of complaints about getting left out.

You'll never eliminate the complaining, but the further down the line you go, the less the complaints matter. Teams complaining about being #3 or #5 being left out has a chance of being significant to the championship process. Teams complaining about being left out at #65 & #66, have very little chance of being significant to the process.

No one has ever said the complaining will stop. Its about making the process as good and complete as it can be (within constraints).

[HRBAKER]

As pointed out previously.
It's only going to get bigger, the money will dictate that.
At the end of the day - that's what it is really all about.

[Runscott]

You'll never eliminate the complaining, but the further down the line you go, the less the complaints matter. Teams complaining about being #3 or #5 being left out has a chance of being significant to the championship process. Teams complaining about being left out at #65 & #66, have very little chance of being significant to the process.

No one has ever said the complaining will stop. Its about making the process as good and complete as it can be (within constraints).

The process isn't complete enough at 4. We have complaints, so we realize this. The process won't be complete enough with 8. We'll have complaints, so we'll realize this. It won't be complete enough with 16. We'll have complaints, so we'll realize this. It won't be complete enough with 32. We'll have complaints, so we'll realize this. It won't be complete enough with 64. We'll have complaints, so we'll realize this.

[Section103]

After yesterday can you honestly say we were better with only 2? You might. You will be in the minority. But your argument applies just the same to 2.

[Runscott]

I have no idea what you are talking about but if you are responding to my post, ypu have created a straw man. I am good with 4, and as I have stated multiple times, if you want to go beyond 4 you need to pay the players and not require that they go to school.

[Runscott]

Rich, I was on my phone when I responded to your last post, not noticing that it was you again. I realize at this point that you're just looking for a fight, as you haven't honestly addressed either of my posts. I'll leave you to fight with the straw men you have created, hoping that you haven't killed what was otherwise an interesting thread. You can attempt to bait me again, but I won't be reading it.

[jason.1969]

Note that Arkansas is also SEC West and beat Texas 31-7.

[Section103]

My apologies for upsetting you Scott. Apparently, Im not communicating my points well. Regardless, this discussion holds no value to me in any meaningful way. Please carry on knowing I have nothing here to add.

[jiw98]

Scott,
With the current system, you a correct that some team will say, what about us?

I do think the process is closer to what it needs to be. As I have stated before, only conference champions should be involved in the championship tournament. This year they did just that, but didn't involve enough conferences.
TCU would not have been in the tournament with this process as Baylor would have been champs due to the tie breaker. But with the process used this year (human emotions) I don't see how a team can be ranked #3, destroy the team they played and then drop three spots.
If the play-off goes to just conference champions there shouldn't be any complaints. Win your conference or stay home. JMO

[vintagetoppsguy]

If the play-off goes to just conference champions there shouldn't be any complaints. Win your conference or stay home.

I agree with this.

[rats60]

Scott,
With the current system, you a correct that some team will say, what about us?

I do think the process is closer to what it needs to be. As I have stated before, only conference champions should be involved in the championship tournament. This year they did just that, but didn't involve enough conferences.
TCU would not have been in the tournament with this process as Baylor would have been champs due to the tie breaker. But with the process used this year (human emotions) I don't see how a team can be ranked #3, destroy the team they played and then drop three spots.
If the play-off goes to just conference champions there shouldn't be any complaints. Win your conference or stay home. JMO

Need to get down to 4 conferences. If the Big 12 had been able to get back to 12/14 by poaching the ACC (FSU, Clemson, Va. Tech, Miami) you would have the ideal situation with 4 major conferences all sending their champion to the playoff.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Note that Arkansas is also SEC West and beat Texas 31-7.

Woo Pig!!

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Either this is hyperbole, out of context, or you're making stuff up. Arkansas has 1 conference win in the last 2 years. Nobody is talking about Arkansas being good on a national level. They're getting better. They're tough and physical. They're not a great team and haven't been since Bobby P fell off his motorcycle.

+1

Arkansas overcame some close loses early on and improved this season.