PSA at it again

[BlueBlood]

How is this not an 8oc..I've seen better centering with the OC qualifier..Sold for 24k..I'm thinking they did an under the table deal..or maybe it's just me..what say ye

http://www.memorylaneinc.com/site/images_items%5Citem_31693_1.jpg

Den.nis Sch.err

[glynparson]

qualifier in my opinion though it looks more like a 7. From the serial number i believe this was an early grade, reholdered, Not the greatest but i do not see this as horrible either. would not probably 8 today, but both PSA and SGC have tightened their parameters since they started. Again would not be an 8 today but looks fine as a 7. I do not really scream about one grade opinion difference. There are plenty of SGC 88 cards with similar centering. Especially those graded in the late 1990's.

[brewing]

Is it me or do those borders look small, could it be trimmed?

[the 'stache]

Brent, I thought the borders might be just a little on the thin side, but I compared it to other graded examples, and have reversed myself.

http://caimages.collectors.com/psacertimages/38921_599x1020.jpg

I do, however, feel that if the card were graded today, it would receive an OC qualifier. I think Glyn is right, that card has been reholdered.

[Fred]

What is the difference in price between the following:

PSA7 to PSA8

PSA8 to PSA9

I just get a kick out of perceived values of the labels. IMHO people place a higher value on those labels than the actual card itself.

[1952boyntoncollector]

if this card was cracked..and there were honest scans...noone would pay psa 8 money.......thats why i dont care if people crack cases....

[clydepepper]

What is the difference in price between the following:

PSA7 to PSA8

PSA8 to PSA9

I just get a kick out of perceived values of the labels. IMHO people place a higher value on those labels than the actual card itself.

I agree. 5 is good for me in most cases.

[mark evans]

Just another example of the arbitrariness inherent in grading. I will never understand the wide disparities in value at the higher grades.

[freakhappy]

Definitely looks oc to me...I've seen some not this bad with the qualifier. But I think this just shows how inconsistent TPG can be and we shouldn't be surprised when examples like this show up.

[BobbyVCP]

What is the difference in price between the following:

PSA7 to PSA8

PSA8 to PSA9

I just get a kick out of perceived values of the labels. IMHO people place a higher value on those labels than the actual card itself.

PSA 7....$10.000
PSA 8...$23,500
PSA 9....$75,000

Been a very long time since this card sold in a PSA 9 so it could go up a lot.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Just another example of the arbitrariness inherent in grading. I will never understand the wide disparities in value at the higher grades.

Because for some people collecting is a competitive endeavor.

[Leon]

Because for some people collecting is a competitive endeavor.

collect what you enjoy...

[vthobby]

Leon,

Beautiful card! I would buy the 4 all day, every day and never look back. Nice centering also.

peace, mike

[KingFisk]

Just on the talk about the possible trimming....Whenever I buy an expensive card now I find myself hand-wringing and half convinced I have been ripped off if something seems a little amiss...is there any sort of standard tolerance PSA uses for mimimum size? I just got a PSA 8 65 Morgan that is nicely centered and otherwise sharp, but by my measurement about 1/64th of an inch shy of 2.5" top to bottom...then I notice the little imperfections in the slab...am I just being paranoid over this fractional length? Were vintage cards typically varying in size by these slight degrees?

[Lgarza99]

I work for a label company and we abide by an industry standard of +/- 1/64" for size variation, and we supply nation brands with this tolerance. Some apply labels at 1000+ containers per minute so sizing is critical.

I'm sure we cut labels in the same manner as 50 years ago with a guillotine process. We even have programable machines. The +/- tolerance is needed for process variation. You should be good.

Just on the talk about the possible trimming....Whenever I buy an expensive card now I find myself hand-wringing and half convinced I have been ripped off if something seems a little amiss...is there any sort of standard tolerance PSA uses for mimimum size? I just got a PSA 8 65 Morgan that is nicely centered and otherwise sharp, but by my measurement about 1/64th of an inch shy of 2.5" top to bottom...then I notice the little imperfections in the slab...am I just being paranoid over this fractional length? Were vintage cards typically varying in size by these slight degrees?

[KingFisk]

I work for a label company and we abide by an industry standard of +/- 1/64" for size variation, and we supply nation brands with this tolerance. Some apply labels at 1000+ containers per minute so sizing is critical.

I'm sure we cut labels in the same manner as 50 years ago with a guillotine process. We even have programable machines. The +/- tolerance is needed for process variation. You should be good.

Interesting! Thank you for that unique insight, Luis.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Just on the talk about the possible trimming....Whenever I buy an expensive card now I find myself hand-wringing and half convinced I have been ripped off if something seems a little amiss...is there any sort of standard tolerance PSA uses for mimimum size? I just got a PSA 8 65 Morgan that is nicely centered and otherwise sharp, but by my measurement about 1/64th of an inch shy of 2.5" top to bottom...then I notice the little imperfections in the slab...am I just being paranoid over this fractional length? Were vintage cards typically varying in size by these slight degrees?

If you can even measure something to 1/64 God bless you. There is a fair amount of variability on 65s in my experience building that set. 1/64 would not bother me.

[asoriano]

One of my favorites by PSA:

http://i60.tinypic.com/5168on.jpg

[Fred]

Bob,

Thanks for posting the prices for the different grades on this card:

PSA 7....$10.000
PSA 8...$23,500
PSA 9....$75,000


It absolutely blows my mind that someone would pay so much for a label that says PSA8 (or even 9) when you can't tell the difference between some of these cards and someone "subjectively" assigns these numbers.

[conor912]

One of my favorites by PSA:

http://i60.tinypic.com/5168on.jpg

It took me a second to notice that edge, then my jaw hit the floor.

[KingFisk]

If you can even measure something to 1/64 God bless you. There is a fair amount of variability on 65s in my experience building that set. 1/64 would not bother me.

My father in law bought me a tremendous tape measure with 64 notches! It is awesome and causes even greater paranoia in this neurotic guy.. ;) Thanks, Peter!

[tschock]

One of my favorites by PSA:

http://i60.tinypic.com/5168on.jpg

Yowzers! About as obvious as it gets. I will lay money that this is one card that will never be cracked and resubmitted.

[Rollingstone206]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Lol.

[MuddyMules]

It absolutely blows my mind that someone would pay so much for a label that says PSA8 (or even 9) when you can't tell the difference between some of these cards and someone "subjectively" assigns these numbers.

+1 completely agree.

[digdugdig]

One of my favorites by PSA:

http://i60.tinypic.com/5168on.jpg

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[vthobby]

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[Fred]

Is it possible that the 1941 Playball is a "paper" card and that's just the way the edge was cut?

[bnorth]

:eek:

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My guess is some of the borders on the top card. It looks small.

[Fred]

Reagarding the Spahn Bowman cards.... wow - that is absolutely ridiculous... my only guess is that the submitter must have been a "Preferred PSA" submitter/customer.... :confused:

[glynparson]

is terrible, looks to be an early grade from serial number. And some of you guys were talking about how good Baker was yesterday? I see a lot of junk in the early serial numbers. Just like many of the Merkle SGC graded cards are not up to the standards of the company after Dave bought it.

[Fred]

Do you think PSA would "make good" on the difference between the PSA8 price and PSA Authentic price for the owner of this card? My guess is that they'd "stand firm" on their initial assesment and that it was cut that way from the factory..... hahahaha...

[Luke]

So what's the deal with this card? Is it just an oversight, or did the submitter opt for no qualifiers (meaning it would have been a PSA 5 (MC) otherwise)?

[jerrys]

Within a 1/64" of OC?

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