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YankeeCollector
11-03-2014, 07:28 PM
I'm looking to begin a high end Wagner collection minus the T206.

Can I get a Top 5 must have Wagner cards after the t206?

Thanks for everyone's imput in advance.

x2drich2000
11-03-2014, 07:43 PM
I would go with the following in no particular order and also trying to change the poses up a bit.

1) e107
2) m110
3) d322 (maybe e90-2 instead)
4) w600
5) ??? maybe e92/102/105/106 throwing or an early postcard

btcarfagno
11-03-2014, 08:29 PM
I've always been partial to his Tip Top Bread issue. And American Caramel Die Cut.

Tom C

ErikV
11-03-2014, 08:34 PM
My favorite.

Peter_Spaeth
11-03-2014, 08:42 PM
The E103 is a great card. The M116s are nice.

And this:

Leon
11-03-2014, 09:05 PM
Out of approximately a dozen I own, this is my favorite. Might be tough to find one though...D381
with the photo...

DeanH3
11-03-2014, 09:34 PM
Some nice options already listed above. I would definitely get a portrait pose. Whether it's an M116, E103, E90-2 or D322.

Kawika
11-03-2014, 09:35 PM
Couple of my favorites.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/sportscardsetc/baseball/bbhofthefirstclass/huge/M110Wagner.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/sportscardsetc/baseball/bbhofthefirstclass/huge/PC796%20Wagner_13.jpg

Iron Horse
11-03-2014, 09:40 PM
If you like the T206 then this kind of fits the bill

Bicem
11-03-2014, 09:42 PM
Voskamp, Rose PC, American League Publishing.

ValKehl
11-03-2014, 09:43 PM
1910 Orange Borders - either pose, or better yet, both poses.

e107collector
11-03-2014, 10:56 PM
Some of my Faves:

I also like the E-107, M110, and the D322 Tip Top.

Tony

williamcohon
11-03-2014, 11:28 PM
I like the 1908 E102. It's a batting pose with a red background.

bcbgcbrcb
11-04-2014, 04:02 AM
Why not spark some controversy with the Reccius Cigars card.............

swanstars
11-04-2014, 09:03 AM
E94 Wagner - Pretty Tough one to beat...
there is a decent one now in the Heritage Auction.

<a href="http://s592.photobucket.com/user/swanstars/media/E94-Wagners_zps5fe54ade.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt1/swanstars/E94-Wagners_zps5fe54ade.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo E94-Wagners_zps5fe54ade.jpg"/></a>

aaroncc
11-04-2014, 09:34 AM
E107, Rose Co., W600, Tip Top, Reccius Cigars

honus94566
11-04-2014, 11:43 AM
e107 (very difficult and expensive)

M116 is what I'd say my #1 Wagner would be after the T206. They are just beautiful cards, both the pastel and blue. Very affordable too, a nice low graded pastel version with great eye appeal can be had for about 1K.

e90-2 is just really ugly to look at, the face is all messed up. The CJ is also kinda Ugly IMO.

The batting versions you find in e90-1, T216, etc is also I nice pose. I don't care for the throwing pose.

The M110 cabinet is incredible. I pulled one off LOTG auctions a while back and love it.

ullmandds
11-04-2014, 11:54 AM
Wagners within reason:

d322
e90-1 throwing
e90-2
e103
m116
e93/e98/e94
max stein postcard

Iron Horse
11-04-2014, 12:57 PM
After T206 this is the rarest of portraits.
One in the Heritage auction now

paul
11-04-2014, 01:00 PM
It's impossible to find, but the E300 is my favorite.

uffda51
11-04-2014, 01:58 PM
http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/20thcenturycabinetcards/websize/JonesKeyserArrasWagner1911.jpg

One of my favorites. Also, E103, D322, E95 & M110.

itjclarke
11-04-2014, 02:08 PM
Lots of good choices. I personally love the E95 (great, haunting image), M116 (classic portrait), E90-2 (or slightly rarer E104-2 below), and any of the throwing ones- E90-1, E92, etc (think throwing captures what Wagner was- big and awkward but a total stud). Have fun in your search!

166666

rats60
11-04-2014, 02:41 PM
Cracker Jack
M116
E90-2
E92

the-illini
11-04-2014, 03:41 PM
M101-6? You would be the first to have one... :-)

h2oya311
11-04-2014, 04:00 PM
E107, e90-2, then Henry Reccius (only two known)

Also like all the Wagner PCs shown before.

This has probably been covered before, but there was always the notion that the t206 was pulled due to Wagner's stance on tobacco use. Do we know the official reason yet? Regardless, you'll note that he is noticeably absent from almost all tobacco issues from that era, despite his immense popularity and the inclusion of his teammates in the sets (t205, Helmar Stamps, etc). Hope someone can shed some light on this (or share an old link if it's been covered before).

terjung
11-04-2014, 04:24 PM
Top 5 Wagner cards for a high end collection:

if you can find them,

E107
W600
Pittsburg Leader
Novelty Cutlery PC
T5 Pinkerton cabinet

In my opinion, true scarcity trumps grade scarcity. In my personal Wagner collection, tend to prefer photographic images over art-based images.

Good luck!

honus94566
11-04-2014, 04:39 PM
E107, e90-2, then Henry Reccius (only two known)

Also like all the Wagner PCs shown before.

This has probably been covered before, but there was always the notion that the t206 was pulled due to Wagner's stance on tobacco use. Do we know the official reason yet? Regardless, you'll note that he is noticeably absent from almost all tobacco issues from that era, despite his immense popularity and the inclusion of his teammates in the sets (t205, Helmar Stamps, etc). Hope someone can shed some light on this (or share an old link if it's been covered before).

No way to know for sure.

Wagner does appear in the T216 Tobacco issues out of New Orleans, but who knows if Wagner even had knowledge of this. Whether or not his stance on tobacco use is what pulled his T206 from production is still a subject of debate, and there is no definitive answer.

I am pretty sure the T216 is the only tobacco issue he appears in but could be wrong. Anybody?

Here's the T216
http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/honus94566/wagfront.jpghttp://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa421/honus94566/wagback.jpg

honus94566
11-04-2014, 04:41 PM
Here's the e107 Wagner that sold a couple of years back for over 100K!

William Todd
11-04-2014, 04:50 PM
166681

Leon
11-04-2014, 05:30 PM
No way to know for sure.

Wagner does appear in the T216 Tobacco issues out of New Orleans, but who knows if Wagner even had knowledge of this. Whether or not his stance on tobacco use is what pulled his T206 from production is still a subject of debate, and there is no definitive answer.

I am pretty sure the T216 is the only tobacco issue he appears in but could be wrong. Anybody?



T5 Pinkerton has 2 poses of Wagner.
T200 Pittsburgh Team has Wagner

majordanby
11-04-2014, 06:56 PM
i had the opportunity to get an e90-2 wagner in an REA auction almost 10 years ago, but hesitated. ive regretted ever since.

bobbvc
11-04-2014, 08:17 PM
No way to know for sure.

Wagner does appear in the T216 Tobacco issues out of New Orleans, but who knows if Wagner even had knowledge of this. Whether or not his stance on tobacco use is what pulled his T206 from production is still a subject of debate, and there is no definitive answer.

I am pretty sure the T216 is the only tobacco issue he appears in but could be wrong. Anybody?



There seems to be no debate amongst the biographers of Wagner. It's not that he was religiously anti-tobacco, he just didn't want to promote smoking cigarettes to kids. There is an article in a 1912 Baseball Magazine (forgot the month) where he is quoted saying that. He also sent a check for $10 to the sportswriter who was asked to get his permission for inclusion. ($10 is the amount the writer was to receive from the Tobacco company for Wagner's ok to be in the set). The holding out for more money theory does not work in any case considering the amount of candy issues he was in, clearly if any payment at all was made, it was less than players would have received from the Tobacco companies.
A contemporary comparison would be a celebrity who drinks alcohol but would not promote it in a TV commercial.
Unlikely Wagner knew about the T216 until too late to do anything about it. That said, I believe those are as rare as the T206 if not more so.
As for best Wagner cards, depending on budget I'd go with-
M110
W600 (either pose)
Orange Border (either pose)
Novelty Cutlery PC
Mike Wheat's T3 Fantasy piece ($20 on Ebay)
(I do not know MW- Just like that card)

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards
11-04-2014, 08:57 PM
For me you can't top the E94 and E95.

bobbvc
11-04-2014, 09:00 PM
E94 for sure. Forgot it on my list.

sporteq
11-05-2014, 02:01 AM
My favorite

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/ItemImages/000101/105477a_med.jpeg

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/RecciusWagner.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KVqeZRevoPg/TN2bfo4BLQI/AAAAAAAAAA0/LZcJaMfVK1k/s1600/2010-12-10W600wagner.jpg

Albert

YankeeCollector
11-05-2014, 08:47 PM
Thanks to everyone for taking the time to provide me with so many wonderful suggestions.

Vintageclout
11-06-2014, 08:47 PM
Hey Jimbo...here are my Top 5 Wagner's aside from the T206:

1) E107 Breisch Williams
2) W600 (Uniform)
3) Tip Top Bread
4) E90-2 American Caramel
5) 1914 Cracker Jack

Joe T.