View Full Version : New E254 Colgan's discovery
Myachelydra
09-15-2014, 05:42 PM
I picked this up with a group of tins. I purchased the group just to have as display pieces to go along with my E254's that I sell at shows; the card was stuck in the bottom of one of the containers.
http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersko/myachelydra/colgans/1909%20E254%20Colganqus%20Chip%20Kroh%20_2_.jpg
I have been collecting Colgan's for almost 20 years and have never seen anything like it; name above the head and no team affiliation. It also has a "208" back, which is a super difficult back variation; likely produced at the end of the E254 print runs in 1911.
http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersko/myachelydra/colgans/1909%20E254%20Colganqus%20Chip%20Kroh%20_2rev_.jpg
Since Kroh was a Louisville player; maybe the cards were only being distributed locally as the they wound down production of the E254's...no need to include the team name? Kroh does appear in the E254 set, with name and team affiliation depicted as on the other E524's.
http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersko/myachelydra/colgans/1909%20E254%20Colganqus%20Chips%20Kroh.jpg
Unless an argument is made that the 208's should be considered as their own set, this would bring the number of cards in the set to 290.
That is a great discovery for a set we are still finding out about. Congrats John!!
kkkkandp
09-15-2014, 05:58 PM
Nice pickup, John!
I love it when "new" stuff shows up in old sets! :)
nolemmings
09-15-2014, 06:16 PM
Way to go John. Now that's something to Kroh about!
4815162342
09-15-2014, 06:35 PM
Way to go John. Now that's something to Kroh about!
+1
Tim Kindler
09-15-2014, 06:41 PM
John, I love to see new discoveries in our hobby. Thanks so much for sharing and the scans look awesome. Congratulations!
Tim
JLange
09-15-2014, 08:06 PM
Very cool. Congrats and thanks for sharing!
sox1903wschamp
09-15-2014, 08:20 PM
Now that's awesome John!
Matvoo
09-15-2014, 08:22 PM
Nice piece
Jaybird
09-15-2014, 11:17 PM
It certainly found the right guy. Nice pickup, John, and a great discovery.
Al C.risafulli
09-15-2014, 11:20 PM
Amazing, John. Your diligence with that set is incredible - with all the different subjects, I'm not sure I would have even noticed that!
-Al
John,
Outstanding discovery! This is awesome!
JimB
KrenBats
09-16-2014, 06:46 AM
John, it's amazing that new discoveries are being made with this set. Makes you wonder what is still out there. Larry Fritsch would be proud!
3-2-count
09-16-2014, 07:13 AM
It certainly found the right guy. Nice pickup, John, and a great discovery.
Agreed! Congrat's John...
nebboy
09-16-2014, 08:18 AM
Very nice - it's that kind of thing many of us hope for in our collecting endless searches.
vintagewhitesox
09-16-2014, 08:43 AM
John, great story!
Your determination to finishing this set is amazing.
Thanks for the info on 208s!
edhans
09-16-2014, 10:00 AM
Congrats on the fascinating discovery.
Kingcobb
09-16-2014, 11:11 AM
John very cool discovery. Thanks for sharing. Daryl
Jaybird
09-16-2014, 11:18 AM
Hey John,
Wondering since they were produced in Louisville, could they have been a test run and therefore at the beginning rather than the end of the run? Or what reasoning did you use for the theory that he would have been at the end of the run? Is the "208" series known to be at the end of the run?
rsst206
09-16-2014, 12:29 PM
Congrats John on the awesome find.
Myachelydra
09-16-2014, 12:44 PM
Hey John,
Wondering since they were produced in Louisville, could they have been a test run and therefore at the beginning rather than the end of the run? Or what reasoning did you use for the theory that he would have been at the end of the run? Is the "208" series known to be at the end of the run?
A couple of the players known with 208 backs were with their team only during the 1911 season...E254's were discontinued sometime in Spring of 1911.
My other 208 is Elmer Flick (Toledo). Flick played in Toledo during the 1911 season. He was with Cleveland in 1910.
nolemmings
09-16-2014, 12:53 PM
Didn't Kroh himself not play with Louisville until 1911? If so is it possible the 208 series were issued, in part, in 1912, when Kroh returned to Louisville but also spent time in the Bigs-- with the company unsure of his team status? Why issue a second card of Kroh in 1911 when there was no team change or pose change? BTW Flick would still have been with Toledo in 1912.
emmygirl
09-16-2014, 01:55 PM
Congats John, I was wondering if you could share a pic of one of the tins that these came in. Fasinating stuff. Thanks Jim
terjung
09-16-2014, 02:46 PM
Congrats on the find, John! Perfect that you found it for your collection.
Myachelydra
09-16-2014, 08:08 PM
Didn't Kroh himself not play with Louisville until 1911? If so is it possible the 208 series were issued, in part, in 1912, when Kroh returned to Louisville but also spent time in the Bigs-- with the company unsure of his team status? Why issue a second card of Kroh in 1911 when there was no team change or pose change? BTW Flick would still have been with Toledo in 1912.
Great point Todd...had not considered that as an option.