Ty Cobb selling for good money....

[Leon]

Nice question and answer too....Personally I think the questioner probably got it right :).


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extremely-Rare-Ty-Cobb-1915-Spalding-Mint-9-Baseball-Card-/261562889759?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3ce65cf61f



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[cardsfan73]

But the card is numbered & graded!! :rolleyes:

[Sean]

Who the f.... is this grading service? PSVA ? :rolleyes:

[barrysloate]

Plus he scoured the internet. Nothing wrong with this one.

[Leon]

Who the f.... is this grading service? PSVA ? :rolleyes:

Professional Sports Very Authenticator, I think?

[cardsfan73]

So all I need to do is buy a large amount of screw down holders & some Avery labels from the office supply store and I can start my own grading card company!

Does anyone want to join me on this lucrative business venture? :)

[Matvoo]

Possibly
Professional Sports Vintage Authenticators

[Matvoo]

Lol so as people know I am a young collector so I decide to send him this message to see if he even has a heart.

"Very nice ty cobb card as a young collector I would love this card but never heard the grading company. Hopefully the grading company is real so I dont waste my hard earn money."

[Kawika]

Nice question and answer too....Personally I think the questioner probably got it right :).


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extremely-Rare-Ty-Cobb-1915-Spalding-Mint-9-Baseball-Card-/261562889759?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3ce65cf61f



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I was the questioner. I am surprised he allowed it to appear on his bidpage. This is what I replied:

Dear aglazier,
Not my opinion. It is a fact. Your card is a page cut from a Spalding's Official Baseball Guide. The number you refer to is the page number in the book, not a card number in a set. There are a couple of guys on eBay who for many years have made a cottage industry of breaking up old books, slabbing and grading the pages themselves, and passing them off to naive buyers as valuable collectibles. I have been collecting vintage baseball cards for fifteen years. Let me assure you that PSVA is not a bona fide grading company. "A great investment on a real piece of baseball heritage sure to go up in value over time" is just fluffy BS. These items are held in contempt by serious sports card collectors. Maybe you already know this, maybe you don't. EBay doesn't hold a seller to an honest standard so here's hoping you act in good conscience.


That he didn't post. In fact he received a second bid, or shill, or whatever. I am half-waiting for him to reply that he will report me to eBay for interfering in his auction or some such crock. Fact is he can do whatever the hell he pleases with this Ty Cobb "card". Some sucker will get ripped off, the hobby will be incrementally diminished and eBay won't care a bit.

[kmac32]

Not my cup of tea but I have collected a few pages from Spalding guides as they featured my great great uncle Elmer Miller. Think I may have paid a max of $5.00. Nowhere near what this auction is going for and I was collecting just for family archives. They were advertised as pages from Spalding guides when I bought mine.

[DHogan]

Professional Sports Vaguely Authentic ?

[Shoebox]

About 10 years ago I was the dumb schmuck wasting $15 on a Grover Alexander Spalding page. That didnt understand that VSA and FGS werent at least roughly equivelent to PSA and BGS. Live and learn but a handful of purchases left me feeling rather jaded and cynical about the hobby. About then I decided maybe to stay out of collecting and for several years I didnt buy anymore. I am back collecting again and hopefully at least slightly less naive than I was then. I am glad to see honest collectors trying to save guys like me from making too costly of mistakes.

[roce4e52]

I would hope that he tightens down the screws in that holder before shipping! I want my mint professionally graded cards to stay that way.

[GasHouseGang]

But wasn't there a thread where PSA now grades these magazine cuts? If so, maybe you could buy it and cross it to a PSA holder;)

[yanksfan09]

pretty sure were very amateur...?

[Runscott]

It is amazing to me that the seller was ignorant enough to post the question and his answer.

I had several people bring things by my booth this year at the National. One was a graded Spalding (or Reach - I forget) cut-out page. The guy handed it to me and asked me what it was worth. I immediately responded that it wasn't worth anything. Then I caught myself and told him I was sorry to have to tell him that, but cut-outs aren't worth even a penny. If he liked it, he should keep it. But I guess I'm wrong - anything you have that is worth nothing to a knowledgeable collector, is worth whatever you can sucker some fool into paying you for it. But you should be slapped for the attempt.

[Kawika]

It is amazing to me that the seller was ignorant enough to post the question and his answer.
I have never sold anything on eBay. I assume that the seller can choose to post a question/answer and that it is not automatic. So I was surprised that my comment showed up. Following is his reply to my comment which I posted above.

This area is for "questions", not for debate from a totally uninvolved person. You are not the eBay police. Not being a serious sports card collector I did not know about this and while I appreciate hearing peoples opinions, it is a beautiful, historic piece from 1915 and your comment is live for the buyer to read should he/she choose to. My 100% rating is no joke, and if anyone is displeased with the product they can return for full refund.

- aglazier

I am done with this guy. Will not be "debating" him any further. He really believes his own bullshit.

[cardsfan73]

Not that it does any good most of the time, but has anyone else reported the listing?

I know for a fact the seller has been made aware that the item is not what he represents it to be and that request made to edit the listing to depict the item in a more accurate manner have been ignored.

Maybe if enough of us report it the listing gets pulled.

[iwantitiwinit]

V = Victims. As in whomever buys this has certainly been victimized.

[steve B]

I would hope that he tightens down the screws in that holder before shipping! I want my mint professionally graded cards to stay that way.

Whoever does that "grading" uses pop rivets. Should be tight enough. I'm surprised they work without cracking the screwdown.

Steve B

[Rich Klein]

Is the item from the pre-war era? Yes

Is it counterfeit? NO

While no real value, this is still an inexpensive way to get an item of a major superstar from before 1920.

Look, I'm not a big fan of grading these these and calling them cards but in some ways, isn't this the same as cutting old ads out of life magazine because they feature famous people.

The item is protected and looks nice for a person. While none of us would buy this --- isn't this actually in some ways a good thing to introduce people into this era and then we can hopefully move some of them to real material

What would YOU Rather have if you are not really a major collector -- a beat up T206 common of Larry Doyle or a period page with a photo of 1st ballot HOFer Tyrus Raymond Cobb. I'd bet more people would take the Cobb then the Doyle.

Rich

[steve B]

That is a good point. And it's the sort of thing I'd have bought when I was starting out (Of course back then I could get a real T206 HOFer for around $10 but was silly enough not to buy them. )

If it was just a page being sold as a page, hopefully with signs like loads of edge wear that indicated a trashed copy of the guide I think more of us would be ok with it.
At least then it could be matted and framed, which would make a nice little display piece.

But sold as a "card" in a bogus slab and trimmed tight to the borders? That's just a bit too scammy.

And $43 will buy a nice big reproduction of a more iconic pose - In fact, it will buy a few of them
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ty-Cobb-5-Photo-11X14-1909-Detroit-Tigers-Sliding-Spikes-/130919289334?pt=Vintage_Sports_Memorabilia&hash=item1e7b65d1f6

Steve B

[Leon]

Is the item from the pre-war era? Yes

Is it counterfeit? NO

While no real value, this is still an inexpensive way to get an item of a major superstar from before 1920.

Look, I'm not a big fan of grading these these and calling them cards but in some ways, isn't this the same as cutting old ads out of life magazine because they feature famous people.

The item is protected and looks nice for a person. While none of us would buy this --- isn't this actually in some ways a good thing to introduce people into this era and then we can hopefully move some of them to real material

What would YOU Rather have if you are not really a major collector -- a beat up T206 common of Larry Doyle or a period page with a photo of 1st ballot HOFer Tyrus Raymond Cobb. I'd bet more people would take the Cobb then the Doyle.

Rich

I have bought paper cut outs and have no issue with them. The issue I have is with the lack of transparency and deceit.

[Kawika]

The issue I have is with the lack of transparency and deceit.
+1 in a nutshell