SCP Cy Young cabinets

[GaryPassamonte]

Wow!

[gnaz01]

Yeah Gary, I saw them too and said THE EXACT SAME THING!!!

[calvindog]

I'll be bidding like crazy on that signed Cy Young cabinet. It's the ultimate autographed card, I've never seen one better.

[tlwise12]

Where r you seeing them?

[gnaz01]

Where r you seeing them?

Email from SCP

[gnaz01]

I'll be bidding like crazy on that signed Cy Young cabinet. It's the ultimate autographed card, I've never seen one better.

Well, there goes that idea ;)

[Matvoo]

Anyone have a pic?
Must be a very cool card

[bcbgcbrcb]

Time to get back into the BB HOF RC game............

[MattyC]

Gentlemen, start your engines.

[sporteq]

Amazing offering.. I wish I had a fabulous bank account :rolleyes:

Enjoy

[atx840]

Link (http://www.icontact-archive.com/0RWwgbbVIRdZkiQrWd5NWiHH-4TTzIwv?w=1)

Amazing items.

http://i.imgur.com/l19MCec.jpg

[gregr2]

Any idea how much this will go for?

[sporteq]

Where r you seeing them?

http://www.icontact-archive.com/0RWwgbbVIRdZkiQrWd5NWiHH-4TTzIwv?w=1

Here you go!

Albert

[Matvoo]

Link (http://www.icontact-archive.com/0RWwgbbVIRdZkiQrWd5NWiHH-4TTzIwv?w=1)

Amazing items.

http://i.imgur.com/l19MCec.jpg
Wow thats such an amazing card

[dog*dirt]

Wow! Spectacular.

[Runscott]

I'll be bidding like crazy on that signed Cy Young cabinet. It's the ultimate autographed card, I've never seen one better.

Looks like it was signed in blue ball-point ink to me. I recommend staying away from it. All of you. Step away from the cabinet card.

[gnaz01]

Looks like it was signed in blue ball-point ink to me. I recommend staying away from it. All of you. Step away from the cabinet card.

LOL, Scott.

[calvindog]

Looks like it was signed in blue ball-point ink to me. I recommend staying away from it. All of you. Step away from the cabinet card.

That's what everyone said about my signed T206 Cobb -- but I wasn't deterred and actually got it at a decent price.

[Runscott]

That's what everyone said about my signed T206 Cobb -- but I wasn't deterred and actually got it a decent price.

This time please be deterred - be very deterred.

...who am I kidding? :confused:

[calvindog]

Rob D and I are part of a formidable bidding syndicate which will go to the ends of the earth to secure the finest autographed prewar card extant.

[MattyC]

Any idea how much this will go for?

With a piece this special, very hard to say. Will be a spirited contest, that's for sure. My bid-clicking finger is pumped!

[oldjudge]

You better get some steroids for that bidding finger. My sense is that this is a big boy lot.

[MattyC]

Will do-- just call me Palmeiro, LOL!

[MikeGarcia]

....Back off , peasants. I married money.

[E93]

What a stunning find! Phenomenal!
JimB

http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/images/websize/jpeg.jpeg

[e107collector]

Those cards are a spectacular find!!

Just a guess, but $250K+ for the Cy Young card alone?

It was from his personal collection, looks just like the Just So card, and personally autographed.

Thoughts?

Tony

[oldjudge]

Tony--I think you are Way over. First, cabinets always sell for less than similar cards. The Old Judge McGreachery proof, even though it has a better image and is in better shape than the N172, would sell for a lot less. Second, there is no proof that the cabinet came before the Just So, and really no proof that it was Cy Young's. For example, Young could have come across this group in the mid-1930s and, since he had little interest in them himself, sent them to a friend who he thought might like them. Finally, why would Cy Young autograph his own cabinet if it was in his collection? I think the Young cabinet is in the $25K-$50K range at best, assuming the signature is genuine. I wonder if it has a COA from PSA/DNA or Spence.

[e107collector]

Thanks for the info Jay - I guess I was a tad high :)

[Bicem]

$25-50k seems low to me. Hell, I'd gladly pay in that range and don't even collect 19th century or cabinets.

Guess we'll see... :)

[bcbgcbrcb]

I think $75K, approaching $100K is not out of the realm of possibility. Of course, that brings it well out of my price range and I would assume about 90% of the Net 54 collector base as well.

[oldjudge]

LOL: "After all is said and done, there is a lot more said than done."

[Bicem]

Friendly wager on hammer price Jay?

[Runscott]

$100k is my guess

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[T206Collector]

I'm sure it will generate a lot of bidding interest, but I don't consider that a "baseball card" in that it wasn't sold as an insert or generally distributed as a premium. But, definitions are made to be challenged, I guess.

Fortunately, I have a signed T206 of Cy Young, faint though the signature may be, so I don't have to spend much time dwelling on this beautiful example. And for whatever it's worth, I wouldn't trade it straight up for this "card".

And I'd also rather have that W600 cabinet that he signed "D. T. Young" that was auctioned a few years back in Goodwin. If memory serves, that one only went for about $10K.

[gnaz01]

I'm sure it will generate a lot of bidding interest, but I don't consider that a "baseball card" in that it wasn't sold as an insert or generally distributed as a premium. But, definitions are made to be challenged, I guess.

Fortunately, I have a signed T206 of Cy Young, faint though the signature may be, so I don't have to spend much time dwelling on this beautiful example. And for whatever it's worth, I wouldn't trade it straight up for this "card".

And I'd also rather have that W600 cabinet that he signed "D. T. Young" that was auctioned a few years back in Goodwin. If memory serves, that one only went for about $10K.

1 less bidder in the mix ;)

[T206Collector]

Here we go. These are the two cards I was talking about, and the last recorded auction of each. To me, these are preferred to the cabinet, even though the cabinet presents better, and is easily the better signature. The medium that is being signed is so important in this hobby. Signed Marquards are a dime a dozen -- but a signed T206 Marquard is a $1,000+ card.

<a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/swNQV2bixh6GcZAeoJci_jiJm_Z5QsNdec5_I7WHZRE?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OhVpYz1aRys/TAAOGsOSADI/AAAAAAAAH20/uGEZ9SoRNa8/s800/image0-2.jpg" height="800" width="501" /></a>

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=21855


<a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tcHnPzodDM0570NuEAig_oRT3dysq2WPtX5u9gk-z0Y?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Mr-bkM1qUVg/U9Q4Fmh3g-I/AAAAAAAAg5c/0L_htwv14R8/s800/W600Young.jpg" height="800" width="564" /></a>

http://www.goodwinandco.com/autographed-cy-young-w600-sporting-life-cabinet-(s-lot9069.aspx

[CardboardTragic]

Hard to say what the hammer price would be but I'd say 6 figures at least.

[Bicem]

I'm sure it will generate a lot of bidding interest, but I don't consider that a "baseball card" in that it wasn't sold as an insert or generally distributed as a premium. But, definitions are made to be challenged, I guess.

Fortunately, I have a signed T206 of Cy Young, faint though the signature may be, so I don't have to spend much time dwelling on this beautiful example. And for whatever it's worth, I wouldn't trade it straight up for this "card".

And I'd also rather have that W600 cabinet that he signed "D. T. Young" that was auctioned a few years back in Goodwin. If memory serves, that one only went for about $10K.

You're most likely in the very small minority. A t206 or w600 just doesn't compare to a possibly unique 1893 cabinet that shares the same image as the famed Just So card.

[ullmandds]

Agreed... By far the best autographed cy young card I've seen...if real. i'd love to have it...in a dream! none of the other issues compare.

You're most likely in the very small minority. A t206 or w600 just doesn't compare to a possibly unique 1893 cabinet that shares the same image as the famed Just So card.

[sago]

For example, Young could have come across this group in the mid-1930s and, since he had little interest in them himself, sent them to a friend who he thought might like them.

So the envelope addressed in his own handwriting with period stamps was used for something else? Doubtful.

On another topic, does the "8 pictures" notation on the envelope mean there is a another cabinet card that was originally in the envelope?

[oldjudge]

I didn't say that the cabinet cards weren't mailed in the thirties. I just questioned when Young may have acquired them.

[barrysloate]

These wonderful cabinets are certainly the photos used for the Just So's, but not all of them look familiar. Because the cards are so rare and nearly all unique, it's reasonable to assume that some of these poses may no longer exist.

But while these cabinet cards are from the 1890's, the autographs look much later, perhaps penned in the mid 20th century. And why would Young autograph his own card? Perhaps he gave these away near the end of his life, and signed his as part of the gift.

Whatever the story, this is a spectacular group of photographs.

[T206Collector]

Yeah, they are super cool. I don't think I appreciate them quite as much as most. I wonder what the "rookie HOF auto" collectors think about the signed cabinet...

[Leon]

I will throw an estimate of 50k-75k on the Young cabinet based on my gut feeling. It will be interesting to watch. If two whales have to have it, forget my number, it could go much higher.

[barrysloate]

I will throw an estimate of 50k-75k on the Young cabinet based on my gut feeling. It will be interesting to watch. If two whales have to have it, forget my number, it could go much higher.

+1. Exactly my gut too. However, if it were a period signature, ca. 1890's, I would think more like 100K. But as Leon said, the last two bidders standing will decide it.

[RUKen]

The photos and the composite can now be viewed individual on the auction website, lots #434-440: http://catalog.scpauctions.com/Category/Baseball-2.html

Minimum bids are $500 for Childs, $1000 each for McKean, Tebeau, and Zimmer, $3000 for Ewing, $5000 for the composite, and $10,000 for Young.

I've attached the signed Ewing:

[Josh Wolf]

These cabinets truly are an amazing find. Looking forward to see what they'll go for. It should be noted though that there is an error in the description saying that the team composite from 1896 is one of a kind. There was another example of this composite offered in the February 2007 Mastro Auction.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/lot-67670.aspx

It's still a great item but it isn't the only one known.

Josh

[bgar3]

Agree, 1896 composite, is not one of a kind, I had one in the 1980's that believe belonged to McAleer. It is possible it was the one in the auction, but I did not own it for long and cannot be sure if it is a third one or not.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

The photos and the composite can now be viewed individual on the auction website, lots #434-440: http://catalog.scpauctions.com/Category/Baseball-2.html

Minimum bids are $500 for Childs, $1000 each for McKean, Tebeau, and Zimmer, $3000 for Ewing, $5000 for the composite, and $10,000 for Young.

I've attached the signed Ewing:
I thought that the writing on the Ewing was in Young's hand.

[RUKen]

I thought that the writing on the Ewing was in Young's hand.

You are correct. I've just had another look at the auction descriptions--Young apparently identified all of the players. His own signature is deemed authentic, and the Ed McKean photo has two identifications, one by Young and the other said to be a signature from McKean himself.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I saw these at National and thought they were really cool. The Young in particular will be a centerpiece of a collection.

[pawpawdiv9]

Here we go. These are the two cards I was talking about, and the last recorded auction of each. To me, these are preferred to the cabinet, even though the cabinet presents better, and is easily the better signature. The medium that is being signed is so important in this hobby. Signed Marquards are a dime a dozen -- but a signed T206 Marquard is a $1,000+ card.

<a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/swNQV2bixh6GcZAeoJci_jiJm_Z5QsNdec5_I7WHZRE?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OhVpYz1aRys/TAAOGsOSADI/AAAAAAAAH20/uGEZ9SoRNa8/s800/image0-2.jpg" height="800" width="501" /></a>

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=21855


<a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tcHnPzodDM0570NuEAig_oRT3dysq2WPtX5u9gk-z0Y?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Mr-bkM1qUVg/U9Q4Fmh3g-I/AAAAAAAAg5c/0L_htwv14R8/s800/W600Young.jpg" height="800" width="564" /></a>

http://www.goodwinandco.com/autographed-cy-young-w600-sporting-life-cabinet-(s-lot9069.aspx



Amazing picture here. I am only replying as i saw something similar to this somewhere else, currently at auction, for around 7k, with plenty of time left But looks a slight different from this one. Is there a difference as why they labeled the same????
Any guesses?
Here is the pic of it:
http://www.huntauctions.com/phone/img124/1.jpg

[e107collector]

Looking at the auction lot on SCP's website, the Cy Young Cabinet card has a reserve on it. $100K reserve maybe?

Tony

[Bicem]

Amazing picture here. I am only replying as i saw something similar to this somewhere else, currently at auction, for around 7k, with plenty of time left But looks a slight different from this one. Is there a difference as why they labeled the same????
Any guesses?


W600's were printed over the course of many years as you can see on the label, and there are multiple poses/variations of most of the players. Is that what you were asking? The Young that you posted was created from the same image as the cabinet, but it's printed (not a photo) and was produced years later.

[pawpawdiv9]

W600's were printed over the course of many years as you can see on the label, and there are multiple poses/variations of most of the players. Is that what you were asking? The Young that you posted was created from the same image as the cabinet, but it's printed (not a photo) and was produced years later.

Thanks, i am not a pre-war guy, so anytime i can get schooled on something its appreciable.

[Baseball Rarities]

Amazing picture here. I am only replying as i saw something similar to this somewhere else, currently at auction, for around 7k, with plenty of time left But looks a slight different from this one. Is there a difference as why they labeled the same????
Any guesses?
Here is the pic of it:
http://www.huntauctions.com/phone/img124/1.jpg

That particular W600 Young has the Type 2 mount which means that it was probably printed in 1903. That image of Young is also known on the Type 1 mount which was printed in 1902.

Obviously, the image was originally taken in 1893 or before - the date that his Just So card was issued.

[benchod]

Thanks for asking about the w600 Young
I may have missed that one at auction!

[Leon]

66k for the Cy Young Cabinet.......That is the value according to the auction ending.

[benchod]

All of the Cleveland cabs went for much lower than I had anticipated.
Thought they were very reasonable.
Wonder what the consignor was anticipating?

[glchen]

All of the Cleveland cabs went for much lower than I had anticipated.
Thought they were very reasonable.
Wonder what the consignor was anticipating?

I wonder if encapsulating the cabinets in blue flips (as opposed to red flips) from PSA hurt the value, as potential buyers may not have been sure that they were from the 1890s. (Or they could have gone to SGC w/ something similar, card and auto authenticated.)

[Runscott]

I wonder if encapsulating the cabinets in blue flips (as opposed to red flips) from PSA hurt the value, as potential buyers may not have been sure that they were from the 1890s. (Or they could have gone to SGC w/ something similar, card and auto authenticated.)

Gary, that was probably it. My guess is that the only people interested in this cabinet were uneducated bidders with a lot of money to spend and who couldn't find a Plank or Ruth rookie to spend their money on. As you say, they probably looked at the slab, saw it had the wrong color of ink on it, and I doubt they even looked at the item within the slab. More educated hobbyists probably simply respected it for its historical value and elected to let less educated people get a crack at it.

[Bicem]

66k for the Cy Young Cabinet.......That is the value according to the auction ending.

congrats Leon?

[Leon]

congrats Leon?

Hopefully you aren't insinuating I have an extra 66k laying around? :) It definitely wasn't me. I can barely keep up with the shuffling I already do, to pay for my habit hobby.

I did guess it would go for close to the closing amount though, so that will have to do. As with many other things, if I did have the money, I would have paid more than that. It's a great card. Also, have to agree with other folks take on the grading, generally speaking autographs aren't as valuable as cards, so it might have been better to have it graded a 2 (MK) or something? It's easy to have 20-20 hindsight but still.....

[bgar3]

I must confess to being way out of touch, as I never would have guessed that whether or not a 19th century cabinet or cdv was graded or not would be of any meaningful interest to someone who appreciated an item like that.

[Runscott]

I must confess to being way out of touch, as I never would have guessed that whether or not a 19th century cabinet or cdv was graded or not would be of any meaningful interest to someone who appreciated an item like that.

I would have thought it would have had zero impact on price, as it's easy enough to get a very clear visual on it, and it's not like there are loads of them lying around. But I do respect Leon's opinion, and he's much more likely to be a player in an auction like this, than am I, so I suppose I just learned something.

[bgar3]

I also respect Leon's opinion, which is why I admit to being out of touch, however, I agree with our opinion(runscott).

[Leon]

I also respect Leon's opinion, which is why I admit to being out of touch, however, I agree with our opinion(runscott).

Who knows, maybe it doesn't matter? My opinion counts as one...So if ya'll disagree then you win, 2-1. :)

[Bicem]

I doubt the holder made any difference. Regardless, amazing pieces and I'm sure the winners are thrilled to have them.

[drcy]

I don't know why a holder (or lack thereof) would make a difference in the pricing.

I'm not saying that from an anti-grading/anti-plastic holder angle nor saying there's anything wrong with wanting it in a labelled holder, just that the Young is more of an autographed photo (in cabinet card form) than a baseball card. Plastic entombment effects the prices of baseball cards not (in general) autographed photos, even when the photos are vintage originals and by famous photographers. An autograph LOA is usually sufficient for an an autographed photo to get get its full auction house value.

[Runscott]

+1, David.

I sincerely hope no one took my first holder post seriously. I also hope it didn't sound too sarcastic for those who didn't take it seriously.

(By the way, you need to respond to my email regarding the next Felix game, as I'm buying tickets for the group).

[E93]

Gary, that was probably it. My guess is that the only people interested in this cabinet were uneducated bidders with a lot of money to spend and who couldn't find a Plank or Ruth rookie to spend their money on. As you say, they probably looked at the slab, saw it had the wrong color of ink on it, and I doubt they even looked at the item within the slab. More educated hobbyists probably simply respected it for its historical value and elected to let less educated people get a crack at it.

Be serious. Most of the most valuable collections in the hobby are owned by the most knowledgable collectors. Too bad nothing could be blamed on the stupidity of "registry" folks this time.
Jim B

[Runscott]

I think you mean "be serious" as in "stop being a clown" :p

If not, please refer to the post I made 1 minute before yours.

[nolemmings]

I can understand the slabs in this case, not for the photos, but for the handwriting. I'm not sure how many people know how Cy Young would sign/identify B. Ewing, McKean, etc. (not saying PSA does either), but it makes distracting ink on the photo less so if you imagine ol' Cy putting his pen to it. Ten years from now if you didn't know about the provenance from this auction you might just think some nobody added the names to the front without the slab.

[Runscott]

I can understand the slabs in this case, not for the photos, but for the handwriting. I'm not sure how many people know how Cy Young would sign/identify B. Ewing, McKean, etc. (not saying PSA does either), but it makes distracting ink on the photo less so if you imagine ol' Cy putting his pen to it. Ten years from now if you didn't know about the provenance from this auction you might just think some nobody added the names to the front without the slab.

That makes complete sense. Seems like it would actually raise the price for those photos.

[E93]

Scott,
Sorry about that. I did not get the sarcasm in your original post. Electronic communication can be tough in that way.
JimB

[Runscott]

Jim, it's fine - it resulted in your reinforcing my thinking. If my post had been ignored it would have meant everyone agreed with its literal meaning (for Barry: as opposed to literally agreeing with it). It wouldn't have been the first time that I posted something that was very dry, and everyone thought it was sloppy wet.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Agree with the others, a good deal for the winner of the Young cabinet, wish I had that kind of money.....