Portland Maine Hoard 1400+ T-206 Cards

[Saco River Auction]

Saco River Auction is pleased to announce the acquisition of over 1400 1909-11 T-206 cards consigned to us for auctions starting January 2015. The collection has been in the same family since 1909 and was started by their grandfather who was a new smoker in Brooklyn NY. He saved every card and they are now owned by his grandsons. We have not had time to go through the collection as that will occur in the coming weeks, but a quick look indicates that there are numerous varieties of backs to include American Beauty, Sovereign, Hindu, Sweet Caporal, El Principe De Gales, Piedmont, Polar bear, Tolstoi, and other variations on a handful of T205 cards. There are many hall of famers and many cards are going to grade very high. I'm sure there will be desirable variation cards in the mix and we will update in the weeks to come. We will be grading any and all worthy cards and will post photos of them when the work is complete. I've included some basic photos of the albums.

[ullmandds]

Awesome!!!!! Pop go the pop reports!!!! The burning question is...how many TITUS's are there!!!!!

[packs]

Man, 1,400 packs of smokes in 3 years. Dedication.

[sebie43]

Whoa baby..

[Matvoo]

Awesome!!!!! Pop go the pop reports!!!! The burning question is...how many TITUS's are there!!!!!
LOL
Man, 1,400 packs of smokes in 3 years. Dedication.Well some came with 2 cards. I think it was hindu and polar bear if Im correct

[Matvoo]

Super cool find also

[wonkaticket]

Congrats, great looking group.

[Milton]

Those pics are unbelievable! Good luck with the auctions

[wolf441]

Wow...just wow. I wish my grandfather smoked and saved stuff!!:D

[atx840]

Beauties.

[refz]

Wonder how many john tituses there are:D:D:D

[Bocabirdman]

Wonder how many john tituses there are:D:D:D

titii?

[Sean1125]

titii?

I chuckled.

[freakhappy]

titii?

I thought those were part of the female anatomy? Ok, I'm lost...;)

[4815162342]

... numerous varieties of backs to include American Beauty, Sovereign, Hindu, Sweet Caporal, El Principe De Gales, Piedmont, Polar bear, Tolstoi ...

Were all of those brands available in NY?

[2dueces]

Were all of those brands available in NY?

And as a smoker wouldn't you find a brand you liked and stick with it? I don't think one person smoked all those. More likely he accumlated off brands and smoked just one. I could be wrong. Ok, I'm usually wrong.

[Bocabirdman]

And as a smoker wouldn't you find a brand you liked and stick with it? I don't think one person smoked all those. More likely he accumlated off brands and smoked just one. I could be wrong. Ok, I'm usually wrong.

I tend to agree but I could see where delivery scheduling might find a mom n' pop shop out of one or more brands requiring a smoker to settle for another. This was 1909-1911, after all.

[Paul S]

My grandfather smoked a pipe. Darn!:(

[gregr2]

WOW, that is one sweet find!!

[mrvster]

Any Printer's scraps??? I doubt it if it came from one guy buying packs, but you never know

:D:)

[Donscards]

Troy Great Find---get those big boys graded so we can do some bidding---I hear there were around 10 Ty Cobbs---I can imagine with 1400 cards, there should be some nice scarce backs. Good Luck, Don

[Leon]

edited ...sorry Bruce....

[Texxxx]

If you feel that bad then trade me the Red Cross. lol

[Leon]

....

[Mountaineer1999]

How many Wagner's are in there?

[the 'stache]

I'm seeing Addie Joss, Lajoie, Frank Baker...Must...sit down..feeling...woozy...

I can't wait to see this find broken down. Wow!

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

This is quite a haul. I doubt that one man smoked all of those packs.

[t206blogcom]

Nice looking group of cards. Can't wait to see them all in January.

[wonkaticket]

This is quite a haul. I doubt that one man smoked all of those packs.

You never know....

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/carole-shepherd-comedian-sid-caesar-with-cigarettes-coming-out-ears-nose-and-mouth-behind-sign-smokebusters.jpg

[Eric72]

I doubt that one man smoked all of those packs.

I agree; however, not for the reason you might think.

Cigarettes are sold in packs of 20 these days. Packs with T206 cards (if I'm not mistaken) contained 10 cigarettes.

Additionally, there were (again, if I'm not mistaken) two T206 cards per pack.

Using the numbers above, someone who smoked 20 cigarettes a day - what we would call a-pack-per-day habit in 2014 - would receive 1,400 T206 cards in just under a year.

What I don't get is the number of different brands. I guess he did some trading along the way.

Just thinking out loud. I could be wrong.

Best regards,

Eric

[barrysloate]

It's possible the original owner let his friends know he collected cigarette cards, and got some groups from people who didn't care about them. That would explain the various brands in the collection. Only a guess, but we don't know how he got them all.

[Saco River Auction]

Here's an update on the Portland Maine Hoard:

I spent several days in New Jersey while SGC graded about 500 of the cards. The majority of the cards ranged from 5-6.5 with some 7's. There are numerous Hall of Famers with tough backs like El Prince, American Beauty, Tolstoi and Hindu. There were also several poses which had never been graded by SGC.

There are some error/scrap variations in the group including a Tolstoi/Piedmont double stamped back. There are also other variations such as name above and below the player. Some cool stuff in the group.

I included some photos so the group can be viewed as a lot. We will begin selling these cards in January 2015. It will take several months to sell this collection. We are also looking for consignments for any of these sales. There should be great interest in these sales and will be good exposure for your items.

If anyone has t-206 items on their want list that you have been searching for, please email them to troyathibodeau@gmail.com and I will let you know if there is one in the collection. If there is an item in the collection that you are looking for, I can let you know which sale date it will be in.157355

[Jobu]

Those photos are beautiful, I can't wait to see what happens at auction time.

[bn2cardz]

Would love to see a picture of the Tolstoi/Piedmont double stamped back, as I am certain, so would others.

[t206blogcom]

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[atx840]

Would love to see a picture of the Tolstoi/Piedmont double stamped back, as I am certain, so would others.


+1

[ullmandds]

+1

++++1...show the good stuff

[Saco River Auction]

Would love to see a picture of the Tolstoi/Piedmont double stamped back, as I am certain, so would others.

Hope This helps

[brob28]

OMG T206 Porn! That is an incredible sight to see.

[ullmandds]

hope this helps

that's insane!!!

[brob28]

Troy, in the pictures are the cards stacked by player & pose such that each stack is multiples of each card? Hope that question makes sense.

[asoriano]

Hope This helps

Wait until Johnny sees this...

How did the T205's grade out BTW?

[wolf441]

Incredible stuff!!! Someone please have the heart paddles ready for Johnny V when he sees this thread!! :D

[mart8081]

Wow!!!!!!!


Quick question. Looking at the graded cards there are some stacks like the Blue Chase (excuse my eyesight if it is not this front) - are these stacks multiples of those cards?

Martin

[Saco River Auction]

The multiple stacks are variations on players. Cards are sorted by player so piled up stacks are one player with many poses/grades and backs.

Troy

[bn2cardz]

Wow it looks like a double strike of Tolstoi on the Piedmont. Very interested to see where that ends up in auction.

[bn2cardz]

How did the T205's grade out BTW?

Also were there any tougher backs in the t205 cards?

[pgellis]

Any of the rare cards?

Demmitt, StL
O'Hara, StL
Magie

[Jantz]

Thank you Troy for the update & posting some photos.

Incredible find!


Jantz

[Matvoo]

Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Saco River Auction]

Any of the rare cards?

Demmitt, StL
O'Hara, StL
Magie

There are none of the big rare ones. No Plank, Wrong Wagner, Magee is spelled correctly and Doyle is just Doyle NY.

Having said that there are almost all the HOF players including a boatload of Young, Cobb, Mathewson, Johnson and Bender

[Saco River Auction]

Someone asked about John Titus Cards...there are several

[mrvster]

OMG!!!!OMG!!!!!!!!OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A GEM HAS SURFACED:eek::eek:

I WANT IT BUT WONT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT:eek:

woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

I have to catch my breath

[mrvster]

you are right!

great eye....tolstoi is double stamped....piedy single struck!!

man ford shows up on a few scraps:D.....this is a new find and quite exciting.:eek:..

this will hit double digits and beyond i'm sure., as it should...

scraps are unique and one of a kinds....card is actually priceless to me:)

[Jay Wolt]

That's quite the haul

[bn2cardz]

you are right!

great eye....tolstoi is double stamped....piedy single struck!!

man ford shows up on a few scraps:D.....this is a new find and quite exciting.:eek:..

this will hit double digits and beyond i'm sure., as it should...

scraps are unique and one of a kinds....card is actually priceless to me:)

It isn't Ford, it is Elberfeld.

[mrvster]

thanks andy:o

I was a little excited:o

[bn2cardz]

thanks andy:o

I was a little excited:o

haha, well it is very close in colors especially when you are scrolling past quickly to get to the scan of the back.

[BlueSky]

Amazing. Can't wait until the auction.

[insccollectibles]

Will there be more information available about the auction in the coming months? Dates, where to bid etc?

[atx840]

Oh my. This makes me want to smoke a UZIT and take an ice bucket shower.

[JeremyW]

I'm not a big T-206 fan, but the tables-full-of-cards photo is amazing.

[gregr2]

WOW, that is a truly spectacular find!

[4815162342]

I'm not a big T-206 fan, but the tables-full-of-cards photo is amazing.


This.

[MikeGarcia]

... I know you guys...


...I smell a contest coming...

[4815162342]

... I know you guys...


...I smell a contest coming...

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/53664588.jpg

[MikeGarcia]

...That depends on whether or not the bank approves MrVster's second mortgage...

[Wite3]

I too am more interested in the t205s...any rare backs? are they going to be included in the sales? let us know please.

Joshua

[SteveMitchell]

Being originally from Maine, this posting caught my eye. I have not read all (at this point) 66 replies but a recurring theme already seems to doubt how one person could "smoke" all those brands.

About 35 years ago my great uncle (born 1901) recounted how in his day he would observe cards discarded from time to time. My guess is, the original collector accumulated them himself but not always by buying the packs. In some cases at least he simply picked up discarded cards or empty packs still containing cards.

[CW]

Wow it looks like a double strike of Tolstoi on the Piedmont.

Hmmm, you are right but I find this odd.

I always thought you can't triple stamp a double stamp...

:o

haha I can just imagine Johnny looking like :eek::eek::eek: when he first viewed that image.

Interesting to note that these cards were found not far from where I used to live (before moving down here to Missouri).

Will be on the lookout for these!!

[Steve D]

Wonder how many john tituses there are:D:D:D



If I'm seeing picture #3 in post #32 correctly, it appears there are 3-4 Titii (4th row from bottom, 4th column from left).

Steve

[Marckus99]

1400?
Pretty rare cards.

[The Nasty Nati]

What an amazing find! That double printed back is amazing. The rows upon rows upon rows of T206s just made my jaw drop.

I'm wondering how all of these recent massive finds like this and the Chesapeake find will effect the pricing of T206s.

[freakhappy]

What an amazing find! That double printed back is amazing. The rows upon rows upon rows of T206s just made my jaw drop.

I'm wondering how all of these recent massive finds like this and the Chesapeake find will effect the pricing of T206s.

If I had to take a stab at it, I would say these finds won't affect the pricing one bit. I believe there is more than enough demand for T206's to swallow whatever is coming our way.

[Tabe]

What an amazing find! That double printed back is amazing. The rows upon rows upon rows of T206s just made my jaw drop.

I'm wondering how all of these recent massive finds like this and the Chesapeake find will effect the pricing of T206s.

I can't imagine it having much impact on pricing. It's not like anybody thought T206s were rare before this.

[Sean]

If I had to take a stab at it, I would say these finds won't affect the pricing one bit. I believe there is more than enough demand for T206's to swallow whatever is coming our way.

+1

[Saco River Auction]

Here are the error cards I have found

The Mathewson is subtle but you can see his name above and below.

I like the Ghost Image on the Francis Pfeffer Card.

[Runscott]

None of those are errors - they are miscuts and bad registration.

[Saco River Auction]

None of those are errors - they are miscuts and bad registration.

Sorry I didn't have the terms correct. I was just showing photos of stuff the guys asked for.

[Centauri]

These cards look awesome.

And BTW - Props to the use of Titii - the "correct" latin plural of more than one Titus.

[Saco River Auction]

There are three Titus cards in the group which are graded:

EPDG 5.0
EPDG 3.0
Sweet Cap 2.0

[Runscott]

Sorry I didn't have the terms correct. I was just showing photos of stuff the guys asked for.

No big deal, Troy - just trying to help educate you.

[wonkaticket]

Nice stuff Troy, looking forward to the Jan 2015 auction of these. Congrats.

[swarmee]

There are three Titus cards in the group which are graded:

EPDG 5.0
EPDG 3.0
Sweet Cap 2.0

Glad I sold mine before the market was FLLOOOOOODDDEEED!

[Theo_450]

Just Incredible!

My theory on the multiple backs is not original. I remember a story where a smoker back in the day would check all the trash cans in his workplace at the end of each day and gather all the discarded cards. His coworkers found out what he was doing, and saved him the trouble of digging through the trash cans, and just starting leaving them on his desk.

[Davino]

unreal!

[ErikV]

Looks like these cards are getting some publicity. Just saw this on my RSS feed.

These cards were recently graded by SGC and will be offered for sale starting
in January 2015. Incredible pics!!!

http://www.sacoriverauction.com/news/the-portland-maine-trove-of-over-1400-1909-t-206-cards

ErikV

[brewing]

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140901/SPORTS0104/309010035/For-sale-Century-old-cards-Ty-Cobb-Cy-Young

Main stream media has written about it.

[Tao_Moko]

Is it too early to see a list of what cards/backs are going to be auctioned? I'm really only interested in which backs are on the Lundgren Chicago cards.

[granite75]

Made it to the big time, my parents just saw it on the Maine local news tonight . Ayuh. Called me to ask if I knew about these cards.

[Donscards]

Here in Portland , it is all over the news TV Radio Papers I went to my homepage this morning on Yahoo and it was the lead story---I believe most of the serious collectors know about this auction coming up---I will be there and hopefully can snag a Ty Cobb card but it will not be easy going to be some high prices anyway I look forward to it just wish it wasnt 4 months away Good Luck to all----Don

[pawpawdiv9]

Heres another story i found on the Hoard:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/don-throw-baseball-cards-article-1.1923889

Side note: When bidding, you may want to be a phone bidder at Saco.
Here is what transpired in my attempt recently:
Thread:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=193416

[DerekMichael]

Wowwwwwww.

You are beyond fortunate to be consigned a find like this.

Congratulations!

Any chance you have some Brown Hindu portraits of the Big Train and Cy Young for us boys to fight over?

[rp12367]

WOW What a amazing find/hoard really makes me wonder how many other collections are out there like this just waiting to see the light of day. I live in a city with a lot of pre-turn of the century homes, every now and then, when I'm walking by them I wonder what might be hiding in the walls, attic's and crawl spaces... Really interested in what T205's were in this collection as well as their condition?

[Runscott]

Ralph, the only way to know is to start sneaking into people's houses when they are away, tearing out walls and looking around. I bet if you do that to 100 houses, you'll find something. You could also be in the news.

[Saco River Auction]

Hello All,

Online Bidding is now open for Part 1 of The Portland Maine Collection of T206 Cards and Other items on January 14 2015 @5PM in Biddeford Maine.

Two Platforms are available: Live Auctioneers and Proxibid.

Links to each catalog are below.

Live Auctioneers (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/66062_portland-maine-trove-of-sports-memorabilia/page1)

Proxibid (https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=90363)

Download Lot List Here (http://www.sacoriverauction.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Jan-14-Lot-List.pdf)

We Also have the ability to take phone and absentee left bids for this sale so please call early to either reserve a phone line or place a bid to executed by auction staff.
info@sacoriverauction.com

Terms of the sale are 21% Internet Buyers Premium.
18% Buyers Premium in House/Phone/Absentee
3% Discount for cash/check/or wire (Applies only to Non Internet Buyers)

[Sean1125]

Hello All,

Online Bidding is now open for Part 1 of The Portland Maine Collection of T206 Cards and Other items on January 14 2015 @5PM in Biddeford Maine.

Two Platforms are available: Live Auctioneers and Proxibid.

Links to each catalog are below.

Live Auctioneers (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/66062_portland-maine-trove-of-sports-memorabilia/page1)

Proxibid (https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=90363)

Download Lot List Here (http://www.sacoriverauction.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Jan-14-Lot-List.pdf)

We Also have the ability to take phone and absentee left bids for this sale so please call early to either reserve a phone line or place a bid to executed by auction staff.
info@sacoriverauction.com

Terms of the sale are 21% Internet Buyers Premium.
18% Buyers Premium in House/Phone/Absentee
3% Discount for cash/check/or wire (Applies only to Non Internet Buyers)

Just so I have this correct...

21% Internet premium...

Bid via phone and pay via wire 15% premium?

Thanks for clearing it up when you respond.

Sean

[Saco River Auction]

Yes Sean,

If you bid via phone and pay via wire you will pay 15% buyers premium.

Thank You

[hangman62]

Im trying to start smoking

[pawpawdiv9]

put in 3 bids tonight- Just might start collecting some pre-war. It doesn't hurt to grab my 1st Cobb, as theres plenty of them. I might be heading to the dark-side.

[Vol]

Can you please explain the bidding rules and how this auction ends?
Wonderful cards :eek:
Thank you

[calvindog]

I have to say that Saco's website is so bad that it's almost a parody of a bad website.

[CardboardCollector]

I have to say that Saco's website is so bad that it's almost a parody of a bad website.

+1

Beautiful cards and some many t206s, but they make it a challenge to find what i'm looking for.

Well, that may help when I bid, since others will struggle too.

[CurtisFlood]

Wow...just wow. I wish my grandfather smoked and saved stuff!!:D

Well, I am 66 and my grandfathers were born in 1894 and 1900 respectively. They were pretty young to be smoking in 1909 to 1911. On the other hand I wish my great grandfathers had smoked and saved that stuff for me!:(

[hangman62]

I had a cousin in the 70s that used to smoke and he also saved some stuff for me

[CurtisFlood]

I had a cousin in the 70s that used to smoke and he also saved some stuff for me

I don't think they put premiums like baseball cards in the stuff that was smoked in the seventies..:D:D

[Saco River Auction]

Can you please explain the bidding rules and how this auction ends?
Wonderful cards :eek:
Thank you

Hello, this is a live auction meaning it will start at 5PM on January 14. We will have a live audience in the hall, phone bidding, absentee bidding and live internet bidding. This is not a timed auction. We sell about 90-100 lots per hour depending on how active the bidding is. We expect to run about 4 hours that night.

Troy

[Saco River Auction]

+1

Beautiful cards and some many t206s, but they make it a challenge to find what i'm looking for.

Well, that may help when I bid, since others will struggle too.

Hi, I agree that our website is less than good. It is dated and in the process of being completely redesigned, which is why I supplied the links to the catalogs online. On each of those sites the information is correct and clear. Bear with us in regards to the website. There will be a new one soon.

Troy

[tschock]

The cards are great, but the cool factor (IMO) is the Old Judge glass negatives, which will be way out of my league. And for you Flynn and Matthews collectors out there (among others), there are probably a couple items you don't have. ;)

[pgellis]

Troy,

Can you explain how the ending of each lot goes down if there is internet and live bidding?

Are the internet bids closed before the live, in-person begins?

Thinking about taking a drive up to Maine for the evening.

Thanks,
Phil

[Saco River Auction]

Troy,

Can you explain how the ending of each lot goes down if there is internet and live bidding?

Are the internet bids closed before the live, in-person begins?

Thinking about taking a drive up to Maine for the evening.

Thanks,
Phil

Hi Phil, the internet bidders bid live during the sale of the lot in real time with the auctioneer. We have internet clerks sitting at each module and they are receiving the bids from remote buyers in real time and yelling the bids out to the auctioneer who accepts them. So Internet bidders, phone bidders, live bidders in the hall all compete against each other in concert and in real time. On average each lot will be open for live bidding for about 1 minute or so while all bids are called by the auctioneer. Once there is no further advance on the bidding the auctioneer sells the lot and we move on to the next lot number.

Troy

[CardboardCollector]

Hello, this is a live auction meaning it will start at 5PM on January 14. We will have a live audience in the hall, phone bidding, absentee bidding and live internet bidding. This is not a timed auction. We sell about 90-100 lots per hour depending on how active the bidding is. We expect to run about 4 hours that night.

Troy

Sounds like a road trip for me.

[Saco River Auction]

Sounds like a road trip for me.

Great it will be good to meet you. We provide free pizza and drinks for everyone during the sale. It should be a great night.

Troy

[pgellis]

Hi Troy,

Another question about your on-line auction. I'm on liveauctioneers.com.

There are a few cards that have 3 bids already, but it doesn't show what the highest bid is right now. For instance, there is a card that shows "Opening Bid: $50" & "3 Bids".

But, it doesn't show what the highest bid is right now.

How/when do you know what the highest bid is?

Thanks,
Phil

[Saco River Auction]

Hi Phil,

When you register and go into the catalog it will show a button which will have a dollar amount to place your bid. That is where the bidding is at. So if a lot opened at 50 and shows 3 bids it could be as little as $80 or much higher if they bid like crazy.

Troy

[uniship]

I can't figure the dang thing out.

[T206.org]

As I understand it for the website Phil, you're placing an absentee max bid and then when the lot you bid on comes up in the live auction your bid will be gradually increased by the increments outlined on the website until no other bids come in and/or you reach your max bid, or get outbid.

[wolf441]

Hi Troy,

Another question about your on-line auction. I'm on liveauctioneers.com.

There are a few cards that have 3 bids already, but it doesn't show what the highest bid is right now. For instance, there is a card that shows "Opening Bid: $50" & "3 Bids".

But, it doesn't show what the highest bid is right now.

How/when do you know what the highest bid is?

Thanks,
Phil

You're basically just throwing out a number that you want to bid. It could be way too high or way too low, doesn't seem like there's any way to tell. I tried to bid on cards that had zero bids and then just threw out what I'd be willing to pay. I'm pretty sure that none of my bids will hold up on the day of the auction. It sounds like this is one auction that is better to do in person.

[pgellis]

OK, I thought it was just me too!

So, you won't know where the bidding is at until the actual lot comes up to bid?

I was hoping I could tell current bidding before I decided whether I wanted to take a 2.5 hour drive.

In person sounds like the best option.

[Saco River Auction]

You're basically just throwing out a number that you want to bid. It could be way too high or way too low, doesn't seem like there's any way to tell. I tried to bid on cards that had zero bids and then just threw out what I'd be willing to pay. I'm pretty sure that none of my bids will hold up on the day of the auction. It sounds like this is one auction that is better to do in person.

Gentleman,
I apologize for any and all confusion. Online bidding seems foreign to many of you and I realize that many sports auctions are of the timed variety which may be causing the confusion. To simplify it as best as I can please take advantage of phone bidding live with one of my employees. This way you can hear the auctioneer and the employee guide you through the active live bidding.
Placing maximum absentee bids prior to the auction online is a way for people to place lot of bids and leave. If you actually want to watch the item live and follow along, don't place any bids prior to the sale. When the lot opens you will quickly see what the bid amount is and what the next bid is by increment. If any of you would like to register for a phone bid please select which items you want (by lot #) and call 207-650-5677

Troy

[wolf441]

Gentleman,
I apologize for any and all confusion. Online bidding seems foreign to many of you and I realize that many sports auctions are of the timed variety which may be causing the confusion. To simplify it as best as I can please take advantage of phone bidding live with one of my employees. This way you can hear the auctioneer and the employee guide you through the active live bidding.
Placing maximum absentee bids prior to the auction online is a way for people to place lot of bids and leave. If you actually want to watch the item live and follow along, don't place any bids prior to the sale. When the lot opens you will quickly see what the bid amount is and what the next bid is by increment. If any of you would like to register for a phone bid please select which items you want (by lot #) and call 207-650-5677

Troy

I am extremely familiar with bidding in on-line auctions. This really isn't an on-line auction. It's a live auction that you've attached a web-site to.

An on-line auction (REA, B&L, Sterling, LOTG, Huggins, Goodwin, etc) has a definative opening and closing period, during which you may choose to bid on an item based on where the current bidding $$ is at. On your on-line site, there's no way to know where the price point is on a particular item until that item comes up on the block at the live auction.

I suppose the on-line portion will work fine as long as we are available while the actual auction is taking place.

[Saco River Auction]

I am extremely familiar with bidding in on-line auctions. This really isn't an on-line auction. It's a live auction that you've attached a web-site to.

An on-line auction (REA, B&L, Sterling, LOTG, Huggins, Goodwin, etc) has a definative opening and closing period, during which you may choose to bid on an item based on where the current bidding $$ is at. On your on-line site, there's no way to know where the price point is on a particular item until that item comes up on the block at the live auction.

I suppose the on-line portion will work fine as long as we are available while the actual auction is taking place.

So on proxibid.com you can see exactly what you were referring to about being able to see where the bid is at prior to the sale starting.

Proxibid (https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=90363)

[T206.org]

I thought the auction went very well. I won 3 of the 4 lots I bid on, and the Proxibid setup was neat to be able to follow along. I was impressed at how quickly each lot went. Nicely done, Troy and team!

When will the remaining lots be auctioned, and is there a preview available?

[Djnova23]

I won my first Tris Speaker. Pretty excited

[atx840]

Very fun auction, enjoyed the individual lot bidding.

[Vol]

Very fun auction, enjoyed the individual lot bidding.

I agree. That was a fun auction with many beautiful cards.

Ready now for the 2nd installment.

[Vintagecatcher]

I was shocked to have picked up one of the later lots in the auction. I had logged off watching after seeing the strong prices figuring I didn't have a chance.

Pleasantly surprised!

Patrick

[btcarfagno]

I got almost completely skunked. Ended up with the Jim Thorpe signed moccasin.

Don't laugh. I find it quite unique.

Tom C

[brob28]

I agree nicely done Troy. I bid via phone on 6 lots - acquired two of the six. The phone bidding assistants were awesome, thanks Sean and RaeLyn!

I was told that there will be two more auctions related to the hoard. Last night there were about 500 T206's auctioned, so I'd assume the next two will have about the same number of T206's

There were some really beautiful examples sold last night. Wondering if anyone saw anything that surprised them such as a card going for much less or much more than expected.

[kdixon]

I didn't sign up for the auction and cant see the results. Could someone please tell me what lot 8 Zach Wheat brought?

[brob28]

I didn't sign up for the auction and cant see the results. Could someone please tell me what lot 8 Zach Wheat brought?

it went for $325 plus 15% fee.

[kdixon]

Thanks brob28.

[brob28]

My pleasure, seemed like a pretty fair price to me, but that said I did no price research on that card.

[Sean1125]

Whoops... Thought the auction was the 15th LOL

[t206hound]

I didn't sign up for the auction and cant see the results.

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=90363#Top

[iwantitiwinit]

Two bidders won a heck of a lot of lots yesterday. p****e won 40 and s****3 won 29 by my quick count. It will be interesting to see if any of the cards show up anywhere. P****e won several raw lots of 10.

[btcarfagno]

That T206 with the Tolstoi back printed over a Piedmont back surprised me. It believe it went for close to $5k with the sauce. I thought maybe $3k tops. I understand that you don't see something like that very often, if at all, but my goodness that's a lot of money.

Tom C

[uniship]

when will round 2 auction be? thx

[Vintagecatcher]

Just went across town to pickup my winning bid from last night.

Left a marker bid and ended up winning this T206 Jim Stephens.

Patrick

[Harford20]

Was shut out of all 8 that I was bidding on (both online prior and in the online live auction).

As with Tom above, I was shocked at the Elberfeld fielding Piedmont/Tolstoi back double print at $5k (nearly $6k total). the bidding had stalled about $3500 and I thought it would end there.
Also was shocked that the Joe Doyle EPDG SGC 4.5 hit $800 (over $900 total)!! Someone must be working on a back run.

Dave

[The Nasty Nati]

Bummer, I for some reason thought this auction was happening later this month.

[Jobu]

I think the EPDG Doyle is a tougher card than is generally ackowledged. I may be wrong on this but the sales history on that one is pretty sparse.

My favorite in the auction, aside from Elberfeld, was the EPDG Lundgren - that card is a beauty, congrats to whomever got it!


Was shut out of all 8 that I was bidding on (both online prior and in the online live auction).

As with Tom above, I was shocked at the Elberfeld fielding Piedmont/Tolstoi back double print at $5k (nearly $6k total). the bidding had stalled about $3500 and I thought it would end there.
Also was shocked that the Joe Doyle EPDG SGC 4.5 hit $800 (over $900 total)!! Someone must be working on a back run.

Dave

[btcarfagno]

I think the EPDG Doyle is a tougher card than is generally ackowledged. I may be wrong on this but the sales history on that one is pretty sparse.

My favorite in the auction, aside from Elberfeld, was the EPDG Lundgren - that card is a beauty, congrats to whomever got it!

I was in on the Lundgren for quite a while but, like most everything else in this auction, it went beyond my expectations.

Tom C

[The Nasty Nati]

Yeah I was surprised, there were quite a lot of EPDG's for sale. This guy must have really enjoyed smoking EPDG's back in the day.

[pgellis]

I thought the prices were quite strong for the T206s, especially in the first half of the auction.

While the cards were in very nice shape, I think the strong prices were due to the backs (mostly EPDG). I am not a back collector, so I wasn't interested in paying a premium for that back.

There were 12 cards that I was interested in and I was considering making a 2.5 road trip up to the live auction. It's real tough for me to spend 5 hours on the road during the work week, so I decided to stay home and watch it.

I only bid on 2 of the 12 during the live part of the auction......didn't win either one. Of the 12 that I was interested in, 7 of them blew my initial valuation out of the water.

How about that Titus? $ 950 before the juice :eek:

I think there were some decent deals (or at least going market prices) towards the end of the auction.

Did anyone here go in person? How was the live venue?

Wondering when the next batch will be auctioned?

[bigfish]

Does anyone know why the Leon Webb RPPC lot went for 1500+?

[1952boyntoncollector]

I think there were some decent deals (or at least going market prices) towards the end of the auction.



funny how decent deals means 'going market prices'....so its a good deal to get market price? haha...

well perhaps the new market price is higher than the old market price..so maybe you mean to say 'going for what is the now past market price' and now worth more...

[Jaybird]

Does anyone know why the Leon Webb RPPC lot went for 1500+?

It has a postcard of a Goldsboro player which is unchecklisted in the T209 set. Wolf. Same background and pose as a couple of other postcards that have turned up of the T209 players.

http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af353/jasonleemiller/ScreenShot2015-01-15at112313AM_zpsc2bb867e.png

[t206blogcom]

I followed along the first half of the auction and thought the prices were quite strong for most lots. EPDG doesn't do anything for me, but still neat to see such a large groups in great condition. I followed the auction on Live Auctioneers, which I've used to purchase items in the past. Looking forward to the next round...

[Jason]

The Leon Webb lot was very cool. The Wolf postcard is a great piece. Here is his Red Border for comparison.

[Thromdog]

I picked up a few last night, some that I had not initially targeted but thought were well below value.

Overall I thought the prices were about what I expected but there were a few surprises, namely the ungraded EPDG's which some went for a LOT more than I was going to risk. Seeing all the graded cards, I wondered why Saco didn't have those graded also. Some of them looked odd to me, I can't say trimmed because the pictures were too small to tell. Plus they didn't show the backs which was odd to me.

Anyway, would love to hear from someone at the auction about their impression of the ungraded lots.

[iwantitiwinit]

I picked up a few last night, some that I had not initially targeted but thought were well below value.

Overall I thought the prices were about what I expected but there were a few surprises, namely the ungraded EPDG's which some went for a LOT more than I was going to risk. Seeing all the graded cards, I wondered why Saco didn't have those graded also. Some of them looked odd to me, I can't say trimmed because the pictures were too small to tell. Plus they didn't show the backs which was odd to me.

Anyway, would love to hear from someone at the auction about their impression of the ungraded lots.

I agree about the ungraded lots. I would have liked to have known why they weren't graded since some looked decent. Maybe Saco wanted to offer graded cards that were 4.5 or higher (which virtually all were that were auctioned last night) and felt those included in the raw lots wouldnt meet that threshold. Given that assumption I bid much lower then the 10 player raw lots eventually brought with the vig. Assuming most of those raws would have graded out 2 or 3 they were hammered much above fair value in my opinion. As mentioned earlier an internet bidder identified as p****e won a significant number of the raw lots.

[brob28]

I did not attend in person, but bid by phone on several lots. The bidding assistant told me there were about 50 people present at the auction and each lot was averaging around 13 phone bidders. Most of the lots I was bidding on were won by either people present at the auction or phone bidders - I think both show up as "on site" in the results. I wonder if Saco has any information on how many were logged in via Proxibid.

One of the Gandil's was listed as an EPDG back but was actually an AB no border back. Not sure how much that affected the final price at $475.

[peterb69]

I fell asleep at the wheel here and also though auction was later in the month. Is there a place to see the results?

[Blunder19]

is this trimmed?

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/SeymourEPDG_zpsd513b8db.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/SeymourEPDG_zpsd513b8db.jpg.html)
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg309/blunder19/SeymourEPDGback_zps12510fbe.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/blunder19/media/SeymourEPDGback_zps12510fbe.jpg.html)

[iwantitiwinit]

At first glance I thought it looked ok just a bit of a diamond cut but looking at it further it might be short. If anything the space left available by the insert is usually tight. There is a lot of room between the top edge of the card and the insert. Also on the reverse there is not that much total space between the EDPG imprint and the bottom and top of the card. If I had to guess I think i'd say it is trimmed.

[Blunder19]

look at the top of the card.. its uneven.. and at least to me... not in a straight line.. or am i seeing things?

[nsaddict]

Peter B see post #135

[pawpawdiv9]

I watched about halfway thru on LiveAuctioneers. Done it a few times before.
Placed a couple bids and actually won something i didnt think i win.

The Babe Ruth photos:
My newest addition to 2015:
Its not a card, heck not even post-war.
From yesterdays SACO's portland Maine Trove

http://p2.la-img.com/1265/66062/33449084_1_x.jpg

http://p1.la-img.com/1265/66062/33449084_2_x.jpg

[Saco River Auction]

Hello All and Thank You for the kind words and bidding in the sale. We had a great auction. The next round of cards from this collection will be February 18 2015 @5PM EST. The list will be compiled within a week or two on that group.

So everyone wants to know about raw cards and how the grading was done. My deal with my consignor was that I was responsible for the grading fees on this collection. Obviously I kept that in mind when deciding which cards to grade and how much to spend on this lot. Grading can be expensive and there really are no guarantees for a return on investment. So from a business standpoint we evaluated the group twice, including with Scott at SGC. We wanted cards in the $200 range, and or grade 5 plus. We initially graded about 500 cards out of the group.

I then picked out an additional 125 cards and graded those as well.

Next I was told by several customers that many T206 buyers like buying raw cards because they like the excitement of having them graded by the company of their choice. In order to appeal to all buyers I made the choice to sell raw cards in groups of 10. Many of those groups have excellent cards in them including EPDG backs and 4 and 5 grades. Some even have HOF players. The prices for the raw cards were strong and I am happy with the results.

At no time was the decision made to leave cards raw because they were suspected of being trimmed. In fact, in the collection there were only a few cards which were determined to be under sized but had full borders.

Many of you bid strong and won the raw cards and I am confident that each of you will be very pleased with them.

As always if anyone has questions for me please ask. I can always be contacted on my cell phone 207-650-5677

Troy

[freakhappy]

At first glance I thought it looked ok just a bit of a diamond cut but looking at it further it might be short. If anything the space left available by the insert is usually tight. There is a lot of room between the top edge of the card and the insert. Also on the reverse there is not that much total space between the EDPG imprint and the bottom and top of the card. If I had to guess I think i'd say it is trimmed.


I have ran across several cards like this in holders with numerical grades and just because there is room, doesn't mean it's trimmed. A lot of cards seem trimmed by the looks, but were just cut that way. T206s vary in size, so unless there is obvious proof of a trim, I wouldn't jump to conclusions.


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[Thromdog]

Hello All and Thank You for the kind words and bidding in the sale. We had a great auction. The next round of cards from this collection will be February 18 2015 @5PM EST. The list will be compiled within a week or two on that group.

So everyone wants to know about raw cards and how the grading was done. My deal with my consignor was that I was responsible for the grading fees on this collection. Obviously I kept that in mind when deciding which cards to grade and how much to spend on this lot. Grading can be expensive and there really are no guarantees for a return on investment. So from a business standpoint we evaluated the group twice, including with Scott at SGC. We wanted cards in the $200 range, and or grade 5 plus. We initially graded about 500 cards out of the group.

I then picked out an additional 125 cards and graded those as well.

Next I was told by several customers that many T206 buyers like buying raw cards because they like the excitement of having them graded by the company of their choice. In order to appeal to all buyers I made the choice to sell raw cards in groups of 10. Many of those groups have excellent cards in them including EPDG backs and 4 and 5 grades. Some even have HOF players. The prices for the raw cards were strong and I am happy with the results.

At no time was the decision made to leave cards raw because they were suspected of being trimmed. In fact, in the collection there were only a few cards which were determined to be under sized but had full borders.

Many of you bid strong and won the raw cards and I am confident that each of you will be very pleased with them.

As always if anyone has questions for me please ask. I can always be contacted on my cell phone 207-650-5677

Troy

Excellent feedback Troy, thanks for posting this. Now if you had just posted that BEFORE the auction you might have seen some extra money coming in (from me).....haha.

Do you have a timeline of when the next auction will be and the lots involved?

The lineup for this was excellent and I look forward to the next one.

[iwantitiwinit]

I have ran across several cards like this in holders with numerical grades and just because there is room, doesn't mean it's trimmed. A lot of cards seem trimmed by the looks, but were just cut that way. T206s vary in size, so unless there is obvious proof of a trim, I wouldn't jump to conclusions.


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Mike he asked if the card was trimmed I just gave my opinion. Maybe its not. I realize t206's aren't all exactly uniform. The most of my reasoning was based on how tightly many cards have been fitting in SGC holders as of late. Odds are its not trimmed, many of the Saco cards were virtually untouched.

[Joe_G.]

Saco River Auction certainly had some great pieces. I made the long voyage from Iowa to Maine, just got back late last night and had to work today or I would have posted sooner. The trip was well worth it.

The T206s did look nice but I really didn't pay much attention to them; the real treasures resided with the Goodwin & Co. glass plate negatives. I'll post on them separately but wanted to extend a deep and sincere thank you to the Saco River Auction staff. Thank you Troy, thank you Dave, and thank you Jacob for providing me with first class access to the negatives over my two day stay. Each of the 46 negatives was handled by staff as I studied them in a number of areas including measuring each and every one for thickness (min, max, mean etc.). Not that this was the most important inspection, but gives you an idea of how accommodating they were to each and every request despite knowing I wasn't the deep pocketed buyer all auction houses yearn for.

I won several negatives, felt honored to study such an amazing collection, and look forward to sharing details with the board as time permits.

Thank you Troy, Dave, Jacob, and staff!

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Saco River Auction certainly had some great pieces. I made the long voyage from Iowa to Maine, just got back late last night and had to work today or I would have posted sooner. The trip was well worth it.

The T206s did look nice but I really didn't pay much attention to them; the real treasures resided with the Goodwin & Co. glass plate negatives. I'll post on them separately but wanted to extend a deep and sincere thank you to the Saco River Auction staff. Thank you Troy, thank you Dave, and thank you Jacob for providing me with first class access to the negatives over my two day stay. Each of the 46 negatives was handled by staff as I studied them in a number of areas including measuring each and every one for thickness (min, max, mean etc.). Not that this was the most important inspection, but gives you an idea of how accommodating they were to each and every request despite knowing I wasn't the deep pocketed buyer all auction houses yearn for.

I won several negatives, felt honored to study such an amazing collection, and look forward to sharing details with the board as time permits.

Thank you Troy, Dave, Jacob, and staff!
Glad to hear that they treated you sod well. It must have been cool to inspect such a rare item.

[brob28]

Ebay auction # 141552955280

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141552955280?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to try and flip something from this auction. I really hope he gets his price, will make me feel even better than I already do about my purchases. For the record, I have no issues whatsoever with this. I have often wondered if auctions like Saco's reach the majority of "players" in the market that would be willing to pay in this range for a card. My guess has always been that most collectors willing to spend in these price ranges would have know about it and bid in the original auction earlier this month. This will be interesting to watch.

[The Nasty Nati]

Any news on the types of T206's that will be auctioned off in Feb?

There were some beautiful EPDG's last round, I'm wondering what next will have. Any Cycles or Hindus?

[EvilKing00]

Any info or pics of the t205's or rare backs that were found?

[ricktmd]

I actually won the Gandil with the AB back and it was for 450.00. It was mistakenly listed as selling for 475.00. The only other AB Gandil 5 I have seen sold for over twice that amount in a Goodwin Auction. I plan to crossover that card and a few others I won to PSA . We will see if they cross

One of the Gandil's was listed as an EPDG back but was actually an AB no border back. Not sure how much that affected the final price at $475.

[T206.org]

Rick, I noticed one item I won said it went for $25 more than what I ended up paying (and was beyond my max bid too, so I actually thought I was outbid). Seems like a software bug. Anyway, good luck with the cross.

[brob28]

I actually won the Gandil with the AB back and it was for 450.00. It was mistakenly listed as selling for 475.00. The only other AB Gandil 5 I have seen sold for over twice that amount in a Goodwin Auction. I plan to crossover that card and a few others I won to PSA . We will see if they cross

One of the Gandil's was listed as an EPDG back but was actually an AB no border back. Not sure how much that affected the final price at $475.

Rick, congratulations on a great pick up. I was bidding on it as well, but needed to save some powder for some later items. I hated to let it go. I'm happy for you, I think you'll do very nicely with it! I bid via phone and my lots are showing the correct final bid, software seems the likely culprit.

I believe the next auction is set for Feb 15th so information should be available soon.