The Hall of Fame of Uniform Numbers

[frankbmd]

I may regret this, but below is a list from 0 to 99. For each number you may nominate a player as the greatest player, in any sport, to wear that number. Obviously more than one player may be nominated for any given number. And obviously like the numerous "who should or shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame?" threads there will not be a consensus. When two or more names appear beside a number, you may indicate your preference for one or the other. Votes for players with that number will be added next to their name. If one player receives 75% of the vote after 10 or more votes, the other players with that number will be deleted. When voting for a given player, please vote only once and no dead voters will be counted. All edits will be recorded in this post so there is no need to copy and paste the list yourself. I'll put in just a few nominations to begin with, some of the easy ones, I think. I will update the list no more frequently than once a week on Sunday evening after today, so your nominations will not appear immediately. I will edit today's responses periodically today this evening. Rules may need to be modified depending on how this goes, but any modifications will be added here in the first post. Thanks in advance for your participation, I think.

Midcourse correction -

Multiple numbers for the same player will not be permitted. The number most identified with the player during the bulk of his career will be used. Michael Jordan will be 23 and not 45 for example. And if Moe Berg wore pi during his career at Princeton, I don't care.

Numbers followed by I think will not be recorded. I'm not going to look them up, you can.

I expected a brisk response, but this isn't going to last forever. (I've already done that.:)) Once the list is sufficiently populated. There be a daily Tribal Council by the number to select the Survivor at each level. Once a player has been determined to be the Survivor, his name will be changed to ALL CAPS and further activity for that number will cease. The order of the daily Tribal Councils may not be sequential, but the number of the day's vote will be posted here.

If we are to continue, remember the goal here is to identify the "best" player at each number. Lists of numbers for all players and all years are readily available on the internet and will not be added to the list simply because they are accurate. Some of the names already added will also be removed. For example, the discussion for number 9 is a legitimate one between Ted Williams and Gordie Howe. Adding a third name to this discussion should be difficult. Would anybody consider adding Benny Bengough or even Roger Maris in this discussion?
Thanks to all. I'm going to try to limit the discussion to three players per number. If you want to add a fourth player, you must explain why he should replace one of the existing three.
Fair enough? I think so. Carry on.

Presumptive leaders either by vote or by my editorial decision have now been capitalized, but are subject to change. Bribes accepted.:eek::D

I guarantee that the following list is more accurate than any TPG Pop Report.;):eek::D



OO Robert Parrish -1 Omar Olivares -1 Jim OTTO -2
I/8 Eddie GAEDEL -1
1 Earle Combs -1 Jacques Plante -1 Oscar ROBERTSON -2
2 Derek JETER -2 Tim Horton -1 Charlie Gehringer -1
3 Babe RUTH -4 Killebrew -2
4 Bobby ORR -4 Lou Gehrig -2 Duke Snider -1
5 Joe DiMaggio -2 Johnny Bench -2 Nick LIDSTROM -3
6 Bill RUSSELL -2 Stan Musal -1 Tony Oliva -1
7 Mickey MANTLE -4 Ted Lindsay -1 John Elway -1
8 Yogi BERRA -3 Cal Ripken -1 Yaz -1
9 Ted WILLIAMS -3 Gordie Howe -2
10 PELE -2 Fran Tarkenton -1
11 Mark MESSIER -1 Barry Larkin -1 Luis Aparicio -1
12 Joe Namath -1 Tom BRADY -1 Terry Bradshaw -1
13 Wilt CHAMBERLAIN -2 Dan Marino -1 Alex Rodriguez -1
14 Pete ROSE -1 Ernie Banks -1
15 Bart STARR -1 Thurman Munson -1
16 Joe MONTANA -1 Whitey Ford -1 Marcel Dionne -1
17 Dizzy DEAN -1 Cool Papa Bell -1
18 Peyton MANNING -1 Dave Cowens -1
19 John UNITAS -3 Steve Yzerman -3 Tony Gwynn -1
20 Barry Sanders -2 Mike SCHMIDT -1 Frank Robinson -1
21 Roberto CLEMENTE -3 Warren Spahn -1 Roger Clemens -1
22 Mike BOSSY -2 Emmitt Smith -2 Elgion Baylor -1
23 Michael JORDAN -4
24 Willie MAYS -3 Griffey Jr -1 Rickey Henderson -1
25 Jim THOME -1 Barry or Bobby Bonds -1
26 Rod Woodson -1 Wade BOGGS -1
27 Frank Mahovlich -1 Juan MARICHAL -1 Carlton Fisk -1
28 Bert BLYLEVEN -1
29 Rod Carew -2 Satchel PAIGE -1 John Smoltz -1
30 Marty BRODEUR -1
31 Greg MADDUX -1 Dave Winfield -1
32 Jim BROWN -2 Sandy Koufax -1 Magic Johnson -1
33 Larry BIRD -2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -1 Sammy Baugh -1
34 Walter PAYTON -2 Nolan Ryan -1 Hakeem Olajuwon -1
35 Frank THOMAS -1
36 Robin ROBERTS -1 Johnny Mize -1
37 Casey STENGEL -2
38 Steve CARLTON -2 Ray Dandridge -1
39 Roy CAMPANELLA -1 Dominick Hasek -1 Larry Csonka -1
40 Gale SAYERS -1
41 Tom SEAVER -1
42 Jackie ROBINSON -2 Mariano Rivera -1
43 Richard Petty -1 Dennis ECKERSLY -1
44 Hank Louis AARON -2 Jerry West -1 Reggie Jackson -1
45 Bob GIBSON -2
46 Andy PETTITTE -1
47 Tom GLAVINE -1 Mel Blount -1
48 Rick REUSCHEL -1
49 Ron GUIDRY -2 Bobby Mitchell -1
50 David ROBINSON -1 Mike Singletary -1
51 Dick BUTKUS -2
52 Ray LEWIS -1 Mike Webster -1
53 Don DRYSDALE -2
54 Goos GOSSAGE -1 Randy White -1
55 Orel HERSHISER -1
56 Lawrence TAYLOR -1 Jim Bouton -1
57 Johan Santana -1
58 Derrick Thomas -1 Jack Lambert -1
59 Jack Ham -1
60 Chuck Bednarik -1 Otto GRAHAM -1
61 Bill George -1
62 Jim Langer -1
63 Willie Lanier -1
64 Jerry Kramer -1 Randall McDaniel -1
65
66 Mario LEMIEUX -3 Ray Nitschke -1
67 Kent Hull -1
68 Jaromir JAGR -2
69 El Guapo -1
70 Art Donovan -1 Sam Huff -1 Tom Sestak -1
71 Evgeni Malkin -1
72 Carlton Fisk -1 Ron McDole -1
73 John Hannah -1 Larry Allen -1
74 Bob Lilly -2 Merlin Olsen -2
75 Forrest Gregg -1 Deacon JONES -2 Joe Greene -1
76 Lou GROZA -1
77 Ray Bourque -2 Phil Esposito -2 Red GRANGE -1
78 Anthony Munoz -1 Bruce Smith -1 Bobby Bell -1
79
80 Jerry RICE -1
81 Art Monk -1 Terrell Owens -1
82 John Stallworth -1 Ray Berry -1
83 Andre Reed -2
84 Randy Moss -1 Sterling Sharpe -1
85 Jack Youngblood -2
86 Buck Buchanan -1
87 Sidney CROSBY -2
88 Lynn Swann -2 Eric Lindros -1 Alan Page -1
89 Mike DITKA -1 Steve Tasker -1
90 Julius Peppers -1 Neil Smith -1
91 Sergei FEDOROV -2
92 Reggie WHITE -2
93 Doug GILMOUR -1
94 Charles Haley -1
95 Richard Dent -2
96 Tomas Holmstrom -1
97 Cornelius BENNETT -1
98
99 Wayne GRETZKY -4 George Mikan -1
254 Bob BEAMON -2

[TUM301]

O K , sounds like fun here`s a few nominations
4- Bobby Orr 6- Bill Russell 9-Teddy Ballgame 13- Wilt.
On a side note, # 44 will be a shoot out with many excellent candidates.

[Kenny Cole]

Sandy Koufax -- 32; Michael Jordan -- 23

[RGold]

What, no #1/8? :D:D:D

[sayhey24]

As great as Koufax was, #32 has to be Jim Brown.

Greg

[the 'stache]

Fun topic, Frank. Here are a few more to get us started.

#4 Brett Favre-a toughie for me, because one of the game's great players, Paul Molitor, also wore #4 on his way to 3,319 hits. And there was this named Gehrig that could easily be my top choice.

#5 Joe DiMaggio-56 game hitting streak is the greatest individual accomplishment in the history of American sports. Albert Pujols has been great, but Joe D was a legend.

#7 Mickey Mantle-the Mick could do it all.

#9 Ted Williams-the greatest hitter of all time beats out the incomparable Gordie Howe, and the greatest American hockey player, Mike Modano.

#12 Roger Staubach-Tom Brady will probably get more votes. Aaron Rodgers is well on his way to Canton. But he hasn't played long enough. When Staubach was under center, the Cowboys truly were "America's Team".

#13 Wilt Chamberlain-revolutionized the game of basketball. Dan Marino is right behind him.

#15 Bart Starr-the leader of the Pack won 5 NFL Championships in 6 tries. Won 9 of 10 playoff games. And maybe the nicest man to ever play the game of football. A true gentleman.

#16 Joe Montana-my vote for the greatest quarterback in NFL history.

#19 Robin Yount-lots will take Johnny Unitas here. Yount is one of the most unassuming superstars to play baseball. The children in Milwaukee wrote him letters begging him to stay with the Brewers when other teams were offering him twice what he was making.

#21 Roberto Clemente-Arriba!The great one.

#23 Michael Jordan-my favorite basketball player ever.

#32 Magic Johnson-Magic was poetry in motion.

#33 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar-the skyhook. Just ahead of Larry Bird.

#34 Walter Payton-"Sweetness". My choice for the greatest football player of my lifetime.

#44 Hank Aaron-the all-time home run king (still, imo) ahead of the great Pete Maravich.

#66 Mario Lemieux-spectacular on the ice. Could score at will.

#75 Forrest Gregg-Part of the greatest offensive line in NFL history (sorry, Cowboy fans).

#80 Jerry Rice-only Don Hutson has ever been a better receiver in the game's history.

[Mikehealer]

5-George Brett
20-Barry Sanders
33-Larry Bird

[RGold]

:D:D:D

http://photos.imageevent.com/rgold/ebay/tlp1.jpg

[the 'stache]

#14 Ernie Banks-"Mr. Cub" said "let's play two!" The man loves the game, and punished baseballs.

#18 Peyton Manning-not so great in the last Super Bowl, but Peyton has been a spectacular passer for a long time.

#39 Roy Campanella-before the crash, he was one of the greatest catchers to ever play the game.

[sebie43]

#9 Gordie Howe -Mr Hockey
#7 Ted Lindsay- Terrible Ted co-captained the production line.
#5 Nick Lidstrom-The perfect Human, second best defenseman of all time
#19 Steve Yzerman.- THE Captain,enough said
Sure Im a homer but you can make the argument.

[TUM301]

00- "The Chief" Robert Parish

[vintagehofrookies]

what was Ty Cobb's #?

[the 'stache]

#35 Frank Thomas-his entire career was outstanding, but his first seven seasons at the plate were as good as any I've ever seen.

#40 Gale Sayers-before he destroyed his knee, he was out of this world, both as a return man and a running back.

#41 Dirk Nowitzki-the Bucks drafted Nowitzki in 1999, and promptly traded him to the Dallas Mavericks for Robert Traylor. Nowitzki has scored nearly 27,000 points for the Mavericks. Traylor scored 416 for the Bucks. Trading Nowitzki in 1999 was almost as dumb as trading Ray Allen for Gary Payton in 2002. Payton played one year for the Bucks. Nowitzki and Allen continue to play at an All Star level. But I'm not bitter.

[39special]

#20 Mike Schmidt
#53 Don Drysdale
#92 Reggie White

[the 'stache]

what was Ty Cobb's #?

He never had a number. He retired before the Tigers started adding numbers to their uniforms.

[Jacklitsch]

Ron Santo #10

[sebie43]

I know this is a baseball forum but Hockey is too underrated in my opinion, here are some for you

#68 Jaromir Jagr -still kicking
#87- Sidney Crosby- Generational talent, skilled beyond belief
#30 Marty Brodeur- Numbers dont lie
#88 Eric Lindros- Sweetest set of mitts you will ever see, in his prime before injuries he was Gretzky-ish, absolutely breathtaking, its a shame he didn't get inducted to the HOF last month.
#11 Mark Messier- A true captain in every sense, took greatness with him to NY
#22 Mike Bossy- as pure a goal scorer as there ever was, The engine that drove the long island dynasty

[sycks22]

#77 Ray Bourque
#91 Sergei Federov
#25 Jim Thome

[Jim65]

#39 Larry Csonka
#41 Tom Seaver

[the 'stache]

#1 Earle Combs-great who spent his whole twelve year career leading off for the Yankees group known as "Murderer's Row". Hit .325 for his career.

#6 Stan "The Man" Musial-three time MVP who hit .331 over a 22 year career. 475 home runs, 1,951 RBI and 3,630 hits-1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road. Musial won seven batting titles!

#8 Steve Young-he had awfully big shoes to fill, and I'd say he did just fine! In fact some think he was better than Montana.

[clydepepper]

2- Derek Jeter
10- Chipper Jones
21- Warren Spahn
29- John Smoltz
31- Greg Maddux
47- Tom Glavine
34- Nolan Ryan

[the 'stache]

#2 Derek Jeter-a very worthy Yankee Captain, and future Hall of Famer.

#22 Emmitt Smith-the all-time leading rusher in NFL history, and an all-around good guy.

#24 Charles Woodson-the number he wore as a Raider because I couldn't choose the number he wore for the Packers (#21). The next Packer after Brett Favre to go into the Hall of Fame, Charles Woodson was the NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2009. He is second in NFL history with 11 interceptions returned for touchdowns to Rod Woodson. 56 interceptions, 19 quarterback sacks, 8 time Pro Bowler and 3 time first team All Pro.

#26 Rod Woodson-71 interceptions, 12 for touchdowns. 13.5 career QB sacks. 4 more touchdowns on kick and punt returns. 11 time Pro Bowler, 6 times first team All Pro.

[the 'stache]

#29 Eric Dickerson-spectacular running back.
#58 Derrick Thomas-126.5 sacks for the late Chiefs great.
#92 Reggie White-the Minister of Defense. 198 sacks for the Eagles, Packers and Panthers great.

[frankbmd]

Bill,

Did I forget to mention that there is no prize for filling the board? :D:D

[Paul S]

77 - Red Grange

[Peter_Spaeth]

53 Don Drysdale
56 Lawrence Taylor (I think)

[grainsley]

10- Pavel Bure
20- Frank Robinson
27- Frank Mahovlich

[Peter_Spaeth]

1 Oscsar Robertson
10 Walt Frazier
22 Emmitt Smith

[39special]

#36 Robin Roberts
#4. Duke Snider

[Peter_Spaeth]

25 Bonds
26 Boggs
27 Marichal, also fisk

[Peter_Spaeth]

If there's nobody else, Schilling was 38 at least on Boston.
40 Gale Sayers
45 Gibson
51 Butkus

[Peter_Spaeth]

52 ray lewis
64 jerry Kramer
72 Fisk (white sox)

[whodey14]

Here are a few that instantly came to mind

3 Babe Ruth
6 Bill Russell
14 Pete Rose, Oscar Robertson
18 Dave Cowens
19 Johnny Unitas
20 Barry Sanders
23 Michael Jordan
32 Jim Brown
33 Larry Bird
34 Walter Payton
42 Jackie Robinson
44 Hank Aaron
51 Dick Butkus
75 Deacon Jones
78 Anthony Munoz

[glynparson]

#8 Willie Stargell

[Paul S]

00 - Omar Olivares;)

[Jim65]

#00 Jim Otto
#19 Johnny Unitas
#88 Alan Page

[Pat R]

Do car #'s count?

#43 Richard Petty

[bobbvc]

#20 Lou Brock
#19 Tony Gwynn

[GoldenAge50s]

#37--Casey Stengel as Yankee Mgr/Retired #

#16--Whitey Ford

#8--Carl Yaz

#12---Tom Brady

#00--Jim Otto

[Peter_Spaeth]

I know this is a baseball forum but Hockey is too underrated in my opinion, here are some for you

#68 Jaromir Jagr -still kicking
#97- Sidney Crosby- Generational talent, skilled beyond belief
#30 Marty Brodeur- Numbers dont lie
#88 Eric Lindros- Sweetest set of mitts you will ever see, in his prime before injuries he was Gretzky-ish, absolutely breathtaking, its a shame he didn't get inducted to the HOF last month.
#11 Mark Messier- A true captain in every sense, took greatness with him to NY
#22 Mike Bossy- as pure a goal scorer as there ever was, The engine that drove the long island dynasty


Why is it that in hockey they seem to be able to look at an 8 year old and predict his NHL future? Seriously.

[nolemmings]

Please add Gehrig #4.

[sac_bunt]

Why is it that in hockey they seem to be able to look at an 8 year old and predict his NHL future? Seriously.

It's the ability to skate.
You can watch kids that are 2 or 3 or 4 yrs old and once they have that skill - they are generally ahead of the pack for the rest of their young lives - thus the predictions.


Adds:
12 – Terry Bradshaw
47 – Mel Blount
52 – Mike Webster
58 – Jack Lambert
59 – Jack Ham
75 – Joe Greene
82 – John Stallworth
88 – Lynn Swann

[nolemmings]

#99 George Mikan.

[sebie43]

Why is it that in hockey they seem to be able to look at an 8 year old and predict his NHL future? Seriously.
Thats a good question. And speaking of we are only one year away from the Connor McDavid draft. The next in line to Gretzky-Lemieux-Lindros-Crosby. He's spoken in that same breath which is alot of pressure.

[brewing]

#9 Gordie Howe -Mr Hockey
#19 Steve Yzerman.
I agree.

I can't hear the calls for Ted Williams and Unitas from the sound of Championship rings clanging.

[nolemmings]

Randall McDaniel #64. 202 consecutive starts, 12 consecutive Pro Bowls--the greatest O-lineman I've ever seen.

[clydepepper]

32- Bill Walton

and 00 for Jeffrey 'Ole Penitentiary Face' Leonard.

[clydepepper]

151538

[Peter_Spaeth]

81 Art Monk
82 Ray Berry
83 Andre Reed
I can't remember if Randy Moss was 81 or 84, maybe both

[sebie43]

Frank, there was a typo in my second post, fat thumb syndrome, Sidney Crosby is #87

[CW]

...

[Peter_Spaeth]

38 Steve Carlton
46 Andy Pettite

[Peter_Spaeth]

74 Bob Lilly

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think Goose Gossage was 54. And Guidry was 49. And of course should add Reggie at 44.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Wasn't Orel Hersheiser 55?

[Steve D]

Here are some from me:

1 Warren Moon
4 Lou Gehrig
5 Johnny Bench
7 John Elway
10 Andre Dawson
29 Rod Carew
31 Dave Winfield (only player drafted by four different pro leagues - MLB (Padres), NFL (Vikings), ABA (Utah Stars) and NBA (Atlanta Hawks)
50 David Robinson
60 Chuck Bednarik (played both offense and defense in the same game)
74 Bob Lilly
85 Jack Youngblood (played 1980 Super Bowl with broken leg)
88 Lynn Swann

Steve

[Jim65]

#13 Dan Marino

[nolemmings]

I agree.

I can't hear the calls for Ted Williams and Unitas from the sound of Championship rings clanging.

Howe vs. Williams is an interesting debate. Unitas and Yzerman not as much. BTW, Johnny U won three rings.

[Peter_Spaeth]

13 AROD
21 Clemens also 22 his Yankees number

[Peter_Spaeth]

1 Ozzie Smith. Also, I think, Lou Whitaker.

[nolemmings]

Yogi deserves as much consideration as Yaz and Stargell at #8. Kobe Bryant should probably be included with that number also.

[Peter_Spaeth]

8 Berra, Ripken, Joe Morgan.

[Peter_Spaeth]

11 Barry Larkin
12 Alomar, also Boggs as a Yankee
15 Munson
30 Ryan on Mets, maybe Angels too
33 Eddie Murray

[nolemmings]

Boggs as a Yankee

I cringe every time I hear those words.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I cringe every time I hear those words.

Hah. It was fine with me when he left town, never liked him. As I used to say, most overrated .350 hitter in history.

[TUM301]

Howe vs. Williams is an interesting debate. Unitas and Yzerman not as much. BTW, Johnny U won three rings.

Howe vs Ted is interesting, as far as hearing over any clinking, someone once said " Ted Williams lived the life that John Wayne dreamed about". Overall, I think the no doubts are #`s 3, 7, 13, 23, 42, 99, with 9 and 4 being the biggest tossups off the top of my head. Also, 33 between Bird and Alcindor also very close. Fun thread !!

[Peter_Spaeth]

At the risk of being booted, some more random ones from memory.
5 Brooks Robinson, Pujols and Bench
44 McCovey
24 Rickey, Griffey, Manny Ramirez
29 Carew

[Peter_Spaeth]

Thats a good question. And speaking of we are only one year away from the Connor McDavid draft. The next in line to Gretzky-Lemieux-Lindros-Crosby. He's spoken in that same breath which is alot of pressure.

There is a story about Orr, who knows if it's true, that the Bruins sent someone to scout him when he was 12. The guy reports back to management and says, he could play in the NHL. Management is like, well yeah tell us something we don't know, until the scout explains: "I mean right now."

I remember the hype about Lindros, he had some extremely overprinted RC that was nevertheless sky high for a while.

[tedzan]

Hey guys, am I the 1st one here to mention "Broadway Joe"....tis very puzzling :)

12...... Joe Namath

And, one of Joe's great Receivers......

13...... Don Maynard



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[JollyElm]

7 - Phil Eposito
22 - Mike Bossy
77 - Phil Esposito
:rolleyes:

[39special]

Lee Smith wore #48 when he was with the Red Sox

[tedzan]

9...... Joe DiMaggio

Rookie year (1936) uniform #.


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[nolemmings]

Hah. It was fine with me when he left town, never liked him. As I used to say, most overrated .350 hitter in history.

Spot on about him being overrated, but I think you misunderstand me. I hate the Red Sox and love the Yankees. Getting that guy just wasn't right, and diminished the Yankee brand IMO. Some might say the same for Clemens, but at least he had been booted to Toronto first.

[39special]

John Smoltz was #57 in '88

[CW]

I'll add another vote for

66 - Mario Lemieux

[Peter_Spaeth]

and I cheated because I just couldn't think of any
and for good reason it turns out

48 rick rueuschel
57 johan satana

[barrysloate]

and I cheated because I just couldn't think of any
and for good reason it turns out

48 rick rueuschel
57 johan satana

And you misspelled both of them.:)

[Peter_Spaeth]

And you misspelled both of them.:)

So it goes.

[barrysloate]

So it goes.

I hold you to a very high standard Peter. :)

[bobbvc]

Ted Williams at #9. This is a vintage Baseball forum after all.

[bobbvc]

And for that matter, Jim Bouton at #56.

[Peter_Spaeth]

After Ted Williams, Bouton is definitely the next guy that came to mind. :confused::D

[clydepepper]

[QUOTE=tedzan;1294715]9...... Joe DiMaggio

Rookie year (1936) uniform #.



6- Mickey Mantle's Rookie Year #

[Collectorsince62]

When you're universally recognized as the greatest player in the history of your sport, you should get a mention here. Pele. #10.

[sebie43]

#84- Randy Moss in his prime Minnesota years... man I hated him and Culpepper

[bobbvc]

What # was Secretariat? Yeah, I know... But there are always problems with these multi-sport polls.

[frankbmd]

El Guapo

[Jim65]

Because the spot is empty

#62 Jim Langer

[Peter_Spaeth]

95 Richard Dent
and 90 the great Julius Peppers

[TUM301]

867-5309 !!

[Tabe]

19 is definitely Steve Yzerman.

5 goes to Nick Lidstrom. Brooks and Joe D were awesome, no question, but Lidstrom was better.

[djrhanover]

8 - Cal Ripken, Jr.
19 - John Unitas
21 - Roberto Clemente
5 - Brooks Robinson
24 - Willie Mays
87 - Sidney Crosby

[the 'stache]

#84- Randy Moss in his prime Minnesota years... man I hated him and Culpepper

I'll see your Randy Moss and raise you a Sterling Sharpe for #84.

It's too bad Sharpe had to retire. He was on his way to becoming one of the greatest receivers to ever play the game. 595 catches, 8,134 yards, 65 touchdown receptions before age 30...and the season after he had to retire Favre became NFL MVP. The three years he did play with Favre, he average 105 catches, 1,285 yards and 14 touchdowns. Imagine him with Favre at an elite level.

[the 'stache]

19 is definitely Steve Yzerman.

5 goes to Nick Lidstrom. Brooks and Joe D were awesome, no question, but Lidstrom was better.

Lidstrom was a spectacular defenceman, maybe the best ever-and it pains me to say that as a Milwaukeean who is supposed to hate all Detroit sports teams. But DiMaggio is one of the ten greatest hitters in the game's history. And as great as Lidstrom was, in my humble opinion, nothing he ever did surpassed DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak.

And even if you put Lidstrom's career accomplishments and rings up against DiMaggio's career accomplishments and rings, and by some stroke of luck they tied, Joe has the tiebreaker.

http://imageshack.com/a/img819/8990/n3k8.png
"Hi, I am Marilyn, and I will be Joltin' Joe's tiebreaker."

[sebie43]

If he stayed healthy it might be a valid argument. But Randy Moss nearly doubled all of the numbers you listed, luckily he played with Brady towards the end. I respect your opinion Bill but I dont think there is much of an argument to be made at 84. Maybe the board will chime in.

[the 'stache]

What # was Secretariat? Yeah, I know... But there are always problems with these multi-sport polls.

#2. Imagine if a horse beat Jeter. http://williamgregory.net/images/laughing.gif

[sebie43]

Unfortunately horses dont get assigned numbers, if they did I would argue for Secretariat

[the 'stache]

If he stayed healthy it might be a valid argument. But Randy Moss nearly doubled all of the numbers you listed, luckily he played with Brady towards the end. I respect your opinion Bill but I dont think there is much of an argument to be made at 84. Maybe the board will chime in.

Sebastian, yes, Moss did beat his career numbers handily. And in their first seven years, Sharpe had 21 more catches, but 1,008 fewer yards and 17 fewer touchdowns.

But, Moss started with Randall Cunningham throwing him the ball. Then he had Daunte Culpepper. And he had Robert Smith then Michael Bennett in the backfield, and Cris Carter on the other side of the field. Then later he had some guy named Tom Brady throwing him the ball. Sharpe had Favre the gunslinger before he settled down, and became NFL MVP.

Sharpe had nobody else on offense. He had Randy Wright and Anthony Dilweg throwing him the ball when Don Majkowski wasn't healthy, which outside of 1989 was all the time. Then he had Mike Tomczak throwing him the ball. And finally Favre.

Sharpe played from 1988 to 1994. In that time, how many 1,000 yard running backs did Green Bay have?

Zero.

How many 1,000 yard wide receivers or tight ends did Sharpe have in the same offense while playing in Green Bay?

Zero.

So, I ask you. Who was more impressive? Moss, who was surrounded by Pro Bowlers on offense, or Sharpe, who had no help at all?

Anybody who played Green Bay knew the ball was going to Sharpe. And even when they double teamed him, they couldn't stop him. His last three years, Sharpe had 314 receptions for 3,854 yards and 42 TDs.

If you ask me, with all respect for Moss, who was a great football player, Sharpe was unstoppable.

[the 'stache]

And by the way, Moss never led the NFL in receptions or yardage. Nor did he achieve the receiving triple crown, leading the NFL in receptions, yards and TDs. Sharpe led the NFL in receptions three times, setting the NFL record for receptions twice in back to back seasons.

Moss played 14 years. He was a Pro Bowler six times, and first team All Pro four times.

Sharpe played 7 years. He was a Pro Bowler five times, and first team All Pro three times.

In half the years, Sharpe had only one fewer Pro Bowl nod, and one fewer first team All Pro nod. And that's with Moss having Cunningham, Culpepper and Tom Brady throwing him the ball.

So, I don't think it's as cut and dry as it might appear at first, Sebastian. ;)

[sebie43]

Your probably right Bill, I dont have all the stats to back me up... it was just my opinion.

[the 'stache]

Your probably right Bill, I dont have all the stats to back me up... it was just my opinion.

I know, Sebastian, and I absolutely respect your opinion. I do.

Unfortunately, I have nothing but free time. But, I always try to provide the statistics, accolades, or articles written by journalists, authors and historians to support my positions. Sometimes I'm right, often times I'm not. But I feel it is always better to make an educated statement. I often learn things I did not know, either from my own research, or from posts made by others. And it makes for a much more interesting discussion.

There's nothing I love more than having a spirited debate. This forum is filled with intelligent posters who are incredibly knowledgeable about baseball, and sports in general. Discussions like these always bring a smile to my face.

Have a good day!

[Jim65]

Lidstrom was a spectacular defenceman, maybe the best ever

Better than Bobby Orr? No chance. :)

[the 'stache]

Better than Bobby Orr? No chance. :)

I'm sorry, Jim. I was just basing that on people I've seen play. I never saw Orr play. It's like when people ask me to name the best running backs, and I say Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, etc. Invariably, I get asked "No Jim Brown?" Well, I never saw him play, so I can't comment on how good he was, unless I want to base my opinion on what other people say about him.

Of the four major sports, hockey is the one I know the least about, though I love the game. I actually like hockey more than I like basketball now.

[Jim65]

I'm sorry, Jim. I was just basing that on people I've seen play. I never saw Orr play. It's like when people ask me to name the best running backs, and I say Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, etc. Invariably, I get asked "No Jim Brown?" Well, I never saw him play, so I can't comment on how good he was, unless I want to base my opinion on what other people say about him.

Of the four major sports, hockey is the one I know the least about, though I love the game. I actually like hockey more than I like basketball now.

OK fair enough. I am old enough to see Orr towards the end of his career, even on bad knees, he was the greatest defenseman to play the game.

Only defenseman to lead the league in scoring and he did it twice. 8 Norris Trophys in a 12 year career. Avg 1.3 points per game for his career.

Lidstrom's best +/- in a season was +43, Orr's best was +124

[markf31]

#90 Neil Smith
#93 Doug Gilmour
#94 Charles Haley
#95 Richard Dent
#96 Tomas Holmstrom
#97 Cornelius Bennett

[sebie43]

Being raised in Hockeytown me and Lidstom go way back, in fact we share rookie years.I never saw Joe D play but i know this, Nick Lidstrom is the SECOND best defenseman of all time, no question.
Now is Joe DiMaggio the second best CF of all time? Its hard to compare careers, longevity? Lidstrom...consistency? Well I dont know. I know its apples and oranges .Anybody else weigh in on #5?

[Peter_Spaeth]

How many songs is Lidstrom mentioned in? :D

[tedzan]

#1........ Billy Martin

#8........ Bill Dickey

#9........ Roger Maris (Yankees, Cardinals)

#10...... Phil Rizzuto

#14...... Gil Hodges

#23...... Don Mattingly

#36...... Johnny Mize



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[glynparson]

had more pure talent then possibly any receiver ever. Sharpe surely outworked him though. Both are great and I honestly think its one of those personal preference spots.

[Peter_Spaeth]

To continue Ted's thought, Mariano Rivera, 42.

[Peter_Spaeth]

had more pure talent then possibly any receiver ever. Sharpe surely outworked him though. Both are great and I honestly think its one of those personal preference spots.

Terrell Owens belongs in the discussion too.

[nolemmings]

Allow me to disagree Peter. The career numbers might suggest so, but no one could dominate, nor draw such defensive attention, like the Freak. His talent was off the charts.

EDITED TO ADD: Maybe TO does belong in the discussion if you just look at the years after Randy left the Vikings for the dark side and wore #81 (like Owens) instead of #84.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Allow me to disagree Peter. The career numbers might suggest so, but no one could dominate, nor draw such defensive attention, like the Freak. His talent was off the charts.

As a Patriots fan I think the world of Moss' talents. Suggest you read this, however.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1645156-why-terrell-owens-had-a-greater-nfl-career-than-randy-moss

[nolemmings]

As a Patriots fan I think the world of Moss' talents. Suggest you read this, however.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1645156-why-terrell-owens-had-a-greater-nfl-career-than-randy-moss

I've read articles like that before. The author seems to ignore or downplay that TO had Jerry Rice on the other side for the first five years of his career. Also that the Eagles featured Brian Westbrook for 70 or so passes out of the backfield the one decent season TO had there, and that the Cowboys had Jason Witten for as many as 90+ when TO played in Dallas-- my point being that these teams featured different offensive styles. To reward TO as having to carry all the water while also punishing Moss for having Carter and Welker when we all knew who drew the double teams is misguided, IMO. No doubt Owens was productive for longer than Randy, but that does not make him a greater talent.

I tend to believe the guys who played against these receivers, and while I haven't searched for their opinions (yet), I would be surprised if any or many of them thinks that TO was better than Moss.

[TUM301]

OK fair enough. I am old enough to see Orr towards the end of his career, even on bad knees, he was the greatest defenseman to play the game.

Only defenseman to lead the league in scoring and he did it twice. 8 Norris Trophys in a 12 year career. Avg 1.3 points per game for his career.

Lidstrom's best +/- in a season was +43, Orr's best was +124

Grew up watching Orr and the Big Bad Bruins nite in and nite out. Around new England if you ask sports fans, most being all 4 major sports fans, they`ll tell you doesn`t matter how many S bowls Brady wins, Series Papi takes, or even the untouchable Larry Bird. No athlete will ever have the impact on the team and in the N E community that Robert Gordon Orr has/had . I like to tell the youngsters, Bobby Orr was Michael Jordan before there was a Michael Jordan".

[Peter_Spaeth]

Grew up watching Orr and the Big Bad Bruins nite in and nite out. Around new England if you ask sports fans, most being all 4 major sports fans, they`ll tell you doesn`t matter how many S bowls Brady wins, Series Papi takes, or even the untouchable Larry Bird. No athlete will ever have the impact on the team and in the N E community that Robert Gordon Orr has/had . I like to tell the youngsters, Bobby Orr was Michael Jordan before there was a Michael Jordan".

A guy is escorted into heaven by St. Peter. First thing he sees is someone skating on a pond. He asks, who's that? St. Peter replies, "That's God. He thinks he's Bobby Orr."

[CW]

Grew up watching Orr and the Big Bad Bruins nite in and nite out. Around new England if you ask sports fans, most being all 4 major sports fans, they`ll tell you doesn`t matter how many S bowls Brady wins, Series Papi takes, or even the untouchable Larry Bird. No athlete will ever have the impact on the team and in the N E community that Robert Gordon Orr has/had . I like to tell the youngsters, Bobby Orr was Michael Jordan before there was a Michael Jordan".

And he even made it into a song :)

(From the Tragically Hip's song Fireworks)

You said you didn't give a **** about hockey
And I never saw someone say that before
You held my hand and we walked home the long way
You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr

[tedzan]

1929 was the 1st year the Yankees assigned uniform #'s. Here are some of the more notable names
on the 1929 team (that have not been listed yet).

#2........ Mark Koenig

#5........ Bob Meusel

#6........ Tony Lazzeri

#7........ Leo Durocher

#9........ Benny Bengough

#10...... Bill Dickey

#11...... Herb Pennock

#12...... Waite Hoyt



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[Beatles Guy]

#29 - Satchel Paige
#10 - Johnny Mize
#73 - Larry Allen
#74 - Merlin Olsen
#97 - Jeremy Roenick

[Butch7999]

new moninees for
1 - Jacques Plante (NHL) - six nominees already for 1, so explanation/argument now required:
... Hockey HOF, multiple Cup champion, career stats among very best of all time (miles better than Sawchuk, e.g.), innovator at position
2 - Tim Horton (NHL) -- could also enter with 7 or 24, but too many nominees there, so 2, his late-career number
10 - Pele (soccer) -- explanation needed again -- seriously? No other nominations for greatest footballer of all time?
34 - Thurman Thomas (NFL)
39 - Dominik Hasek (NHL) -- what Orr was to defencemen and Gretzky was to forwards, Hasek was to goalies
-- by any stat, light years beyond any other goalie of past 60 years
67 - Kent Hull (NFL)
78 - Bruce Smith (NFL)
79 - Ron McDole (AFL/NFL) -- should be for 72, his best years, but no other nominees at 79, his late-career number
89 - Steve Tasker (NFL)

redundant votes for
3 - the Babe (MLB)
4 - Orr (NHL)
8 - Yogi (MLB)
24 - Mays (MLB)
45 - Gibson (MLB)
66 - Lemieux (NHL)
68 - Jagr (NHL)
77 - Esposito (NHL) -- should be for 7, but too many nominees there, so 77, his late-career number
83 - Andre Reed (NFL)
99 - Gretzky (NHL)

[clydepepper]

MLB

3-Killebrew, B.Terry
4-Kiner
5-Greenberg, Bagwell
6-Oliva
7-Biggio
9-Minoso
11-Aparicio
23-Sandberg
27-Catfish Hunter
32-Steve Carlton
34-Puckett

NFL

10-Tarkenton
12-Jim Kelly
66-Ray Nitschke

NBA

7-Maravich
12-Stockton
21-D.Wilkins
22-Baylor
24-Moses Malone
32-Dr. J & McHale
34-Olajuwon & Barkley
44-Jerry West

[ZachS]

#1 - Tim Howard (USMNT)

[clydepepper]

33- Luis Tiant (Cle)
23- Luis Tiant (Bos & NYY)

16- Bo Jackson (KCR)
34 Bo Jackson (OAK)

[frankbmd]

There has been a rules modification made in the original post. Going forward no more than three players for each number will be posted. Editing of the list is based on votes when possible. The players listed are subject to change if a case is made for replacing one currently on the list. The goal is to identify the best player for each number. If you can make a case for adding Harmon Killebrew over Babe Ruth, please do so. If you cannot, Killebrew will not be added to the list. Similarly it was never my intent to identify the best 50 players to wear #7. If your nominee is not in the discussion with Mantle for some reason, he will not be listed.
Ultimately there will be only one listed at each number.
An update has been posted and many fine nominations have been eliminated from the list, at least for now.;)

[Peter_Spaeth]

60 Otto Graham

[Peter_Spaeth]

73 John Hannah how did I forget that one.

[sebie43]

#96 Tomas Holmstrom- Homer is certainly worthy. A career of dirty work paid off with 4 cups.

[Tabe]

Lidstrom was a spectacular defenceman, maybe the best ever-and it pains me to say that as a Milwaukeean who is supposed to hate all Detroit sports teams. But DiMaggio is one of the ten greatest hitters in the game's history. And as great as Lidstrom was, in my humble opinion, nothing he ever did surpassed DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak.
I looked at it this way: Joe D is not one of the top 3 or 4 guys ever at his position. Nick is, so Nick over Joe D for #5. Have no problem with anybody picking Joe though - this one is as close as it gets.

And even if you put Lidstrom's career accomplishments and rings up against DiMaggio's career accomplishments and rings, and by some stroke of luck they tied, Joe has the tiebreaker.

http://imageshack.com/a/img819/8990/n3k8.png
"Hi, I am Marilyn, and I will be Joltin' Joe's tiebreaker."

Tough to argue with that :) Still, Nick married a gorgeous Swedish lady. He ain't far behind :)

[Tabe]

OK fair enough. I am old enough to see Orr towards the end of his career, even on bad knees, he was the greatest defenseman to play the game.

Only defenseman to lead the league in scoring and he did it twice. 8 Norris Trophys in a 12 year career. Avg 1.3 points per game for his career.

Lidstrom's best +/- in a season was +43, Orr's best was +124

Soooo hard to compare eras. There's absolutely zero doubt in mind that Orr, were he playing today, would not lead the league in scoring. I also have no doubt he'd get nowhere near a +124 (Konstantinov is the only guy in the last 30 years to even reach +60). That's not to try and diminish Orr, who obviously is a legend. Just that things are different now. I won't make a claim that Lidstrom is the best of all-time. But Lidstrom's 4 Cups, 6 Norris Trophies (and 3 runners-up), and 20 years as an elite player certainly put him in the top 2 or 3.

[Butch7999]

Well argued, so we'll add a third vote for Lidstrom just to stir things up.

But wait -- was our nomination of Horton for 2 not taken seriously? A deserving Hall of Famer,
and 2 is the only one of his numbers that's been retired by any of the teams for which he played...

[nolemmings]

#16 Brett Hull

[Tabe]

Man, even when honored, Sergei gets dissed. It's Fedorov, not Federov :)

And I his nomination for 91.

[veleno45]

A couple more negro leaguers...
Josh Gibson-and if memory serves me it is #20-sorry Barry Sanders and Frank Robinson, I still love you though.

Cool Papa Bell #17
Ray Dandridge #38
Satchel Paige wore 17, 22, 25, 26, 29, and 49 I think (although I am still trying to get that verified, any help?). Can we just list him number 1 in each?

[veleno45]

Since #44 has baseball and basketball we might as well add John Riggins to the list, though I certainly do not think he beats out that baseball guy.

[Tabe]

When I think of Bo Jackson, I think of #34 (Auburn and Oakland), not #16 (Kansas City).

[clydepepper]

Since #44 has baseball and basketball we might as well add John Riggins to the list, though I certainly do not think he beats out that baseball guy.

Wow, Chris - you sure know how to show respect. That baseball guy is MR. Henry Louis Aaron !

[sebie43]

#71 Evgeni Malkin- 632 points in 508 games , Just a thought at an odd number.

[veleno45]

Wow, Chris - you sure know how to show respect. That baseball guy is MR. Henry Louis Aaron !
Clyde,

I was joking by calling him "that baseball guy". One of the best ever of course.

[the 'stache]

Being raised in Hockeytown me and Lidstom go way back, in fact we share rookie years.I never saw Joe D play but i know this, Nick Lidstrom is the SECOND best defenseman of all time, no question.
Now is Joe DiMaggio the second best CF of all time? Its hard to compare careers, longevity? Lidstrom...consistency? Well I dont know. I know its apples and oranges .Anybody else weigh in on #5?

I had baseball reference run a report of all players who between 1900 and 2014 accumulated 3,000 or more plate appearances, of which 75% of games played were as a center fielder. There are 92 such players. And on that list, Joe DiMaggio is the #2 center fielder in modern baseball history. Tris Speaker played much of his career in the dead ball era (which ended in 1919. Speaker started playing in 1907). The only player ahead of DiMaggio on the list is Willie Mays. DiMaggio's OPS + is 155. Mays put up a 156 OPS +. Willie Mays lost nearly two years of his baseball career when drafted by the army during the Korean War. Mays was 21 and 22 in his second and third year. Joe DiMaggio, however, lost three full seasons of his prime (1943, '44 and '45 when he was 28, 29 and 30) to military service in the air force.

http://imageshack.com/a/img857/3271/9e1d07.png

Bill James stated that DiMaggio lost more home runs due to his home ballpark (Yankee Stadium) than any other player in history. Mickey Mantle stated that he and Whitey Ford witnessed many DiMaggio blasts that would have been home runs in any other stadium beside Yankee Stadium. 1. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_DiMaggio)

These numbers, of course, only measure offense. And while Mays was an outstanding defensive outfielder, DiMaggio was a pretty good outfielder in his own regard.

You have to think that if DiMaggio has those three seasons in his prime, he exceeds 500 home runs and 2,000 RBI. And his OPS + goes up by at least one point, tying Mays, if not 2.

So the short answer, is Joe DiMaggio the second best center fielder of all-time? I would say yes, as far as center fielders of the modern era are concerned. He might even be, and in my opinion would have been, the best center fielder in modern baseball history. :)

[Butch7999]

All due respect, but you sure you ran that right?
Mantle played 76% of his games in center and ran up a career OPS+ of 172...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mantlmi01.shtml
Apologies if we're missing something...

[frankbmd]

More impressive to me than Joe's consecutive game hitting streak in 1941 is the fact that for his entire career he hit 361 home rums and struck out only 369 times.

That is a career HR/K ratio of .978731978, which is phenomenal.

Third place in this metric is probably Yogi who had 358 home runs and 414 career strike outs for a ratio of .86.

The list of those above .50 I would maintain is very short. There are a few though including Lefty O'Doul, Johnny Mize, Lou Gehrig, Kluszewski, Ott, Musial, Williams and Dickey. Actually O'Doul is above Berra, but with a much shorter career. There may be a few others.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And even more impressive than that are TWO great nicknames -- Joltin' Joe and the Yankee Clipper.

Not to mention the immortal lyric, we want you on our side.

[the 'stache]

Frank spoke with me this morning, and brought up Joe DiMaggio's home run per strikeout rate, which I had completely overlooked while putting together the information to support my assertion that DiMaggio was in fact the greatest offensive center fielder in the modern baseball era. While Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak is, in my opinion, the single greatest individual accomplishment in the history of American sports, his career home run to strikeout ratio is one of the most overlooked career accomplishments, certainly in baseball. DiMaggio's career numbers suffer from three full seasons lost to military service. But while he did play, he was a superstar, an elite hitter on par with Gehrig and Babe Ruth before him. And while Ruth and Gehrig both had an outstanding home run per strikeout rate, nobody in the game's history has combined power discipline at the plate quite as well as DiMaggio.

There have been 91 hitters in Major League history to amass 350 or more home runs during their playing careers. I had Baseball Reference generate a list of those players, which I imported into Excel. I then sorted the players to show who had the best Home run per strikeout rate in Major League History among power hitters. Joltin' Joe was at the very top of the list. He hit 361 home runs while only striking out 369 times. I feel very safe in saying that I don't ever see this mark by DiMaggio ever being bested.

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[icollectDCsports]

Haven't read every page of the thread, but I'd nominate Sammy Baugh for #33 if he hasn't been listed already.

[Paul S]

If only Nellie Fox had power:)

[Peter_Spaeth]

A hitting streak is part luck, and essentially meaningless. I would rank other single season accomplishments ahead of it. Williams' .406 the same year. Brett's .390. Maris' 61. Henderson's however many steals it was. And that's just baseball. Overall, I would rank Beamon's long jump first -- never has a record been broken by that much -- it was literally a quantum leap.

[frankbmd]

one quantum leap for Bob. At the National in Chicago last year we chatted for 30 minutes. The highlight of the show for me. I'll add Bob to the list at 254.;)

[Leon]

A hitting streak is part luck, and essentially meaningless. I would rank other single season accomplishments ahead of it. Williams' .406 the same year. Brett's .390. Maris' 61. Henderson's however many steals it was. And that's just baseball. Overall, I would rank Beamon's long jump first -- never has a record been broken by that much -- it was literally a quantum leap.

In 1920 Babe Ruth himself hit more home runs than any other team in both leagues except 1. That is also quite dominant.

[Beatles Guy]

Not surprised to see Adam Dunn last on that list, but really surprised that Gary Sheffield is #14.

[Butch7999]

While there's still time and while there's still room, we'll add a nomination at 70 for Tom Sestak, legendary AFL DT, member of the All-Time AFL Team.

[icollectDCsports]

Some additions, all but one from the NFL:
2 -- Charlie Gehringer
27 -- Ken Houston (Safety of Oilers and Redskins) (note that Fisk is now listed as 27 and 72, while he wore 72 for one more season than 27)
49 -- Bobby Mitchell
50 -- Mike Singletary
54 -- Randy White
63 -- Willie Lanier
70 -- Sam Huff
78 -- Bobby Bell
86 -- Buck Buchanan

[bobbvc]

Technically, Jim Otto was #00 (not 0)

[ChiSoxFan]

How about:

MLB:
#43 Dennis Eckersley

NASCAR:
#3 Dale Earnhardt

[drmondobueno]

3 Harmon Killebrew. Power nonstop
7. The Mick, nuff said
8. Yogi Berra. How many rings, ten?
9. Roger Maris. Deserves mention if for no other reason he did what Ruth did not, by one...
16. Marcel Dionne, as smooth and consistent a hockey player. Too bad he played on lousy teams. Really lousy teams. Ask this question. Brett hull, a one dimensional scoring machine versus a center, Dionne who made his wingers look like HOFers. Until Gretzky came along, Dionne pounded the assists like no one else in hockey. If no one else agrees with me, fine. Dionne was number two in league scoring at his retirement, behind some guy named Howe. Nuff said. You are wrong, Dionne is RIGHT.
21. Clemente, bar none
32. Steve Carlton. Lefty.
74. Merlin Olson
75. Deacon Jones
85. Jack Youngblood.
99. The Great One, Wayne Gretzky
-- Ty Cobb. Gotta be on this list