Only OJ's

[Ladder7]

When I'm asked to see some of our real old ball cards. These stun those unfamiliar with the hobby more than any other Issue, ghost, freak, scrap etc (those are our masterpieces, exclusively). I know it's a rehash. But we're adding fresh collectors daily. Post your Old Judge!

The narcissist and some say justifiably so, Tony Mullane;

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/Sale%20or%20Trade%20pile/N172CountMullane.jpg

[scooter729]

Good call, Steve - friends are always amazed by these works of art from 125+ years ago!

[packs]

Harry Stovey


http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m294/madjams/0c41ddb7-ade7-422d-8fa8-179e6b3a19de_zps5f361c69.jpg

[the-illini]

I love the OJ portraits - couple of my favorites...

[vwtdi]

Here are several of my favorites.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_mcgeachy957.jpghttp://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_mattimore984.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_george990.jpghttp://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_dorgan963.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_fogarty948.jpghttp://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_darling915.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_myers891.jpghttp://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_clements894.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/56%20card%20baseball%20collection/n172_ferguson882.jpg

[Wite3]

I will spare you the Phillies today since the ones above are much nicer than mine but here is one of the few non-phillies in my collection...

Joshua

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u266/Wite3/Baseball%20Pics/WhitneyFront_zps9baa4ac8.jpg

[shernan30]

Some of my collection with a few close-ups of my favorites.

[kkkkandp]

I'll post a few...and vent while I'm doing it. :D

All four of these have been deemed just Authentic by SGC. Why? Your guess is as good as mine. Pretty darned nice looking Authentics, huh?

[smtjoy]

Awesome cards, here are a few more-

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/1887%20N172%20Old%20Judges/1887OJ-336-2-Mutrie-NY-10-CU.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/1887%20N172%20Old%20Judges/1887OJ-336-2-Mutrie-NY-10-CU.jpg.html)http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/1887%20N172%20Old%20Judges/1887OJGore198-8SGC10cu.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/1887%20N172%20Old%20Judges/1887OJGore198-8SGC10cu.jpg.html)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/1887%20N172%20Old%20Judges/1887OJ-160-1-Fields-wBarkley-Pittsburg-50-CU.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/1887%20N172%20Old%20Judges/1887OJ-160-1-Fields-wBarkley-Pittsburg-50-CU.jpg.html)http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/1887%20N172%20Old%20Judges/87OJDorgan132-1SGC10cu.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/1887%20N172%20Old%20Judges/87OJDorgan132-1SGC10cu.jpg.html)

[oldjudge]

A topic near and dear to my heart

[Leon]

A topic near and dear to my heart

That thumb is getting to be as ubiquitous as my quarter :).

[E93]

A few favorites...
JimB

http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Charles%20Comiskey.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Bid%20McPhee.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Dalrymple.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20MC%20Robinson.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172ssupersharp/websize/N172%20Honest%20John%20Gaffney%20SGC%2084.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172ssupersharp/websize/N172%20Collins.jpg

[sebie43]

Awesome cards everybody! You motivated me to get atleast one OJ this year.

[Angyale]

Sliding Billy

[Bocabirdman]

My one and Only. It is Ugly but it's mine:)

Forgive the scan. It is from the listing.:eek:

150191

[Jantz]

Nice cards!

I don't own any OJs at the moment, but some day I will have one in my collection.

From all the cards posted so far, Gleason would be my pick.

Angyale - Its good to see you posting again. Hope all is well.


Jantz

[oldjudge]

LOL--Leon, my goal is to post an image of me holding your quarter with my thumb.

[wonkaticket]

That thumb has touched some of my cards, so I had SGC pedigree them with "Thumb" to add future value and history just in case.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/giant/n172qus.jpg

[oldjudge]

John--that group is breathtaking! Well done my friend!

[shernan30]

That thumb has touched some of my cards, so I had SGC pedigree them with "Thumb" to add future value and history just in case.

It's nice to see a few Columbus cards

[Jacklitsch]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/19th%20Century/13.jpghttp://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/19th%20Century/14.jpghttp://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/19th%20Century/16.jpg

[mrvster]

Great to have you posting! I LOVE O.J.s next to T206 Printer's scraps/ freaks....Great cards everyone....id have more OJs , but I spent my P+J money on the FREAKS:):D


Wonka:eek:

[t213]

Here are two poses of Zinn I own

Andy

[pete zouras]

2 from my neighborhood card shop.<br><a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/user/zouraspm/media/galvin.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/galvin.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo galvin.jpg"/></a><br><a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/user/zouraspm/media/hossf.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/hossf.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo hossf.jpg"/></a>

[wonkaticket]

Nice, Pete where is your neighborhood again?:)

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/large/43-193a_lg.jpg

Wish I had more of these because I do like them a lot.

[Kenny Cole]

I'll play

[wonkaticket]

Wow, Kenny!

Jim B amazing cards as always I really dig that Robinson of yours.

[oldjudge]

Very impressive Kenny! What a great group.

[Kenny Cole]

Thanks guys. They aren't nearly as visually appealing as John's, but I like them anyway.

[GoldenAge50s]

Sold all my OJ's a few yrs ago and these were the last 2 to go!

(I have since picked up one just to have it)--(the raw one)

[z28jd]

Just came home to this thread. Love it! Keep em coming...

[tiger8mush]

My two Connecticut team players (always looking for others!) ...

Rob
:)

[shernan30]

Some really nice ones Kenny!!


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[nebboy]

Great thread - I just started a low end OMAHA run this year, I'm only up to 2

[kkkkandp]

.....I could look at these all day (and night)!

Beauties everyone!

[Bosox Blair]

A couple of Buck Ewings:

[Bosox Blair]

And a couple of the tougher HOFers:

[cdn_collector]

What on earth is going on in that second Ewing pose, Blair?!

Great cards everyone!

Cheers,

Richard

[ValKehl]

I collect only OJs of Washington players. I took this scan of my Hank O'Days before I sold the card on the far right on eBay and traded one of the two cards on the left with identical poses to a Board member.
Val

[oldjudge]

For my friend Val

[Bosox Blair]

What on earth is going on in that second Ewing pose, Blair?!

Cheers,

Richard

Fair question, Richard...:D. I suppose the photographer thought since old Buck was a catcher, they might try a pose that looked something like a catcher...but it didn't quite work out :eek:.

Cheers,
Blair

[z28jd]

Cards from four teams that have just one player representing them in the set. New Haven, Burlington, Rochester and Mansfield

[VoodooChild]

Wow, again you guys continue to blow my mind with the cards you have in your collections! My one and only. I hope to add more Pittsburgh players soon.

[Ladder7]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/Sale%20or%20Trade%20pile/N172MADDEN-1.jpg

[jerrys]

150316

[Angyale]

Welch with a smaller photo.

Angyale

[Bocabirdman]

:D Old Judge

150326

[DixieBaseball]

Good ole Pete !

[uffda51]

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Barnes%20Mgr%20St.%20Paul.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Buckenberger%20sm.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Darling%20sm.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/163-1FlintSilver%20Struss-crop.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Geiss.jpg

[uffda51]

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Clark-Hughes%20sm32.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Deasleyhoriz.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Georghehoriz3.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Keefe%20tags%20Richardson%20251-8%20sm12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Ward%20sliding%20sm3.jpg

[uffda51]

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Williamson%20and%20Hahn.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Ryan%20.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Brouthers.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Hanlon%20sm.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/small/N172%20Wardportrait.jpg

[wonkaticket]

Nice "Kid" Jerry!

Ummmm Bruce as usual.....wow.

John

[Ladder7]

Mike, not funny dude. That chick's meaner than a pole cat.

[oldjudge]

One of my new favorites

[wonkaticket]

Jay, that card is crazy neat to know there's new stuff still to be found.

[t206blogcom]

http://www.t206blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/N172-Cub-Stricker-SGC-A.jpg

[kkkkandp]

Jay, that card is crazy neat to know there's new stuff still to be found.

Oh, John...I'm still waiting for that Buffalo card to show up! :D

[ValKehl]

Hi Jay,
Yes, I'm still looking for a Wise-Washington OJ, as well as Morrill-Washington. As you know, both of these players are relatively easy to find with Boston, but quite tough to find with Washington. I'm not picky about condition (hint, hint!).
Best,
Val

[Joe_G.]

So much eye candy, I love it!! Nice Ewing Jay. I was surprised to see an 1887 version of Ewing surface when none had been documented for so long. We knew he was photographed in 1887, but no N172 to show for it.

I will post some of my favorite Detroit cards when I have time to do them justice (new scanner). In the meantime, I will post a recent N172 pick-up of mine that was previously only known as an N173 (locked up in the Wharton-Tigar collection at the British Museum). It is an ugly card but the only known copy of this pose as an N172 (although I'm sure there are others). Beatin played on the 1887 Detroit Wolverine team so I collect him even though he was not issued a card with Detroit. My expectation of actually checking this pose off my want list was nil to none.

[jcmtiger]

So much eye candy, I love it!! Nice Ewing Jay. I was surprised to see an 1887 version of Ewing surface when none had been documented for so long. We knew he was photographed in 1887, but no N172 to show for it.

I will post some of my favorite Detroit cards when I have time to do them justice (new scanner). In the meantime, I will post a recent N172 pick-up of mine that was previously only known as an N173 (locked up in the Wharton-Tigar collection at the British Museum). It is an ugly card but the only known copy of this pose as an N172 (although I'm sure there are others). Beatin played on the 1887 Detroit Wolverine team so I collect him even though he was not issued a card with Detroit. My expectation of actually checking this pose off my want list was nil to none.

Nice pickup Joe, that card is on my list also.

Joe M.

[Bosox Blair]

A few more:

[barrysloate]

One of my new favorites

Jay- when I first showed you that inventory list (with photos) back in 2001, were you aware of the significance of that card, or was it something you learned about later on?

[sportzjunky]

Incredible cards, thank you to the OP.... the close ups on some of the images in this thread are beyond stunning.

I recently started collecting NYs & Brooklyns.... this is a good opportunity to share the additions (as a grouping) with those who have been nice enough to chat with me about OJ & 19th century cards, and also those who helped add to the collection.

[Bocabirdman]

The cards in this thread would make one hell of a starter set. :)

[yankees23]

Phil Knell

[oldjudge]

Barry--either the card wasn't in the images you showed me or I didn't notice it.

[barrysloate]

It was there Jay. I still have the photocopies she made for me. At the time I thought it was simply a common HOFer.

[oldjudge]

In that case I missed it. I might have been more focused in on the three Gypsy Queen HOF cards.

[oldjudge]

A toughie for Omaha collectors

[wonkaticket]

Wow nice card Jay, soon to be off to GCC for some work and to be framed...not baseball but cool.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/large/photo_2.JPG

[wonkaticket]

From Lee and Sterling.

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/large/24808a_lg.jpg

[oldjudge]

Great poster John. I've never seen that one before. Beautiful image on that Long too.

[joeadcock]

Others

[uffda51]

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/websize/N172BidMcPheecropped.jpg

[itjclarke]

A few more...
150502150505
150501150504
150503150500

[barrysloate]

A toughie for Omaha collectors

That card must be worth at least $500...maybe more.

[kkkkandp]

...of my favorites.

[tlwise12]

Two of my better ones... Have a few more good ones on the way...

[Joe_G.]

...of my favorites.

Kevin, gorgeous cards that rarely surface. I really like the Baldwin & Vaughn. The Vaughn must have been at far left border of uncut sheet. The O'Connell isn't half bad either.

Bill, nice start to your NY and Brooklyn collection.

[wolfdogg]

One of only 2 OJs I have left....

is there any 1 pose of Hoy that is tougher than the others???
always wondered because I rarely see this pose offered...usually see the batting or throwing pose

[Joe_G.]

One of only 2 OJs I have left....

is there any 1 pose of Hoy that is tougher than the others???
always wondered because I rarely see this pose offered...usually see the batting or throwing pose

I would agree that pose 3 (Stooping to field grounder) is his toughest as it was only issued in 1888. All his other poses were either issued in both 1888 and 1889 or just 1889 with the 1889 cards being more common than the 1888 examples. Nice card.

[wolfdogg]

I would agree that pose 3 (Stooping to field grounder) is his toughest as it was only issued in 1888. All his other poses were either issued in both 1888 and 1889 or just 1889 with the 1889 cards being more common than the 1888 examples. Nice card.

Thanks Joe....I had noticed over the years that I have only seen maybe 1 or 2 of this pose (from 1888) offered for sale or at auction.....

[kkkkandp]

Kevin, gorgeous cards that rarely surface. I really like the Baldwin & Vaughn. The Vaughn must have been at far left border of uncut sheet. The O'Connell isn't half bad either.

Thanks, Joe! I'm pretty happy with all the tough ones I have acquired over the years. Most of them are in pretty decent shape picture-wise. I might post a few more later and one is a tad ugly! :D

[kkkkandp]

...as promised (including the aforementioned ugly McQuaid).

[shernan30]

Nice....especially that O'Connor Columbus!!


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[oldjudge]

Kevin--great cards of some really scarce players. Didn't you also have a Taylor Shafer?

[pete zouras]

Nice cards all.

[Kenny Cole]

A few more of mine

[wonkaticket]

Wow, guys! I love that Visner card...that is freaking great.

[E93]

Great stuff everybody! Keep them coming!
JimB

http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20John%20Barnes%20SGC%2020.jpeghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Broughton.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Buckley.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Anson%20SGC%2040.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Connor.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/n172/websize/N172%20Billy%20Hamilton.jpg

[kkkkandp]

Kevin--great cards of some really scarce players. Didn't you also have a Taylor Shafer?

Jay:

Did John Dreker put you up to asking that question? He'll never let me live that down. I saw a Taylor Shafer once at a Fort Washington show, but by the time I got back to the seller who had it you had already bought it! :( So, if you ever want to sell it...

Wow, guys! I love that Visner card...that is freaking great.

John:

That particular Visner has one of the best pictures I have ever seen on an Old Judge card. The scan doesn't do it justice. Brooklyn had those god-awful uniforms that looked like graph paper and you can see the lines in his shirt and pants. I had zero interest in him as a player, but when I saw the image I just had to have it. It also helped that it looks like someone just stole his beer money! :D

[oldjudge]

:-)

[ValKehl]

I agree that the Visner card has an incredible image. Visner looks to be a mean sucker - I wouldn't want to incur his wrath!
Val

[Jacklitsch]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/19th%20Century/Mullane.jpg

[oldjudge]

Not always mean. Here he is praying for more beer money.

[wonkaticket]

LOL, I need to find a Visner now.

Jim amazing cards.

[triwak]

A few repeats, but here are my HOFers, along with Ned. My all-time favorite set!

[kkkkandp]

Not always mean. Here he is praying for more beer money.

Well, we have that in common then!

P.S. Did you have your thumb amputated? :D

P.P.S. Nice stuff, Jim!

[Fred]

Thread is OJs, didn't say they had to be baseball.... :)


http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150624&stc=1&d=1403994391

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150625&stc=1&d=1403994562

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150626&stc=1&d=1403994620

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150627&stc=1&d=1403994708

[Fred]

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150627&stc=1&d=1403994708

[kkkkandp]

Thread is OJs, didn't say they had to be baseball.... :)


Fred:

You've been holding out on me, brother! You have an unidentified Hafner, too! Nicely done!

Kevin

[oldjudge]

Fred--how did you get a Corcoran away from John?

[Fred]

Jay,

I did it the only way possible... I BEGGED..... I mean really BEGGED... I threw my dignity out the window and BEGGED.... I almost had to fly to the east coast and carry a cardboard sign that said "will BEG for a Larry card..."....

[Fred]

Kevin,

That Hafner came from the Oregon Find. You can barely read the name Hafner at the bottom, it is very faint. After Dave sold it to me he kind of let me know that he let it go too cheap... :D Well, I didn't think it was that cheap...

[oldjudge]

That must have been the only card from that find that got sold too cheap.

[jerrys]

150649

[oldjudge]

"P.S. Did you have your thumb amputated? "

Don't be bitter. I'm sure another Taylor Shafer is just around the corner.

[Angyale]

It never gets old...... :)

Angyale

[Angyale]

Ed McKean

Angyale

[oldjudge]

Eric--nice McKean run!

[z28jd]

I hope I get a Taylor Shafer card just so I can trade it for Kevin's Daniels card

[TheBig6]

Amazing Cards, Great thread
http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/hofcards/websize/ferguson2.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/hofcards/websize/welch.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/hofcards/websize/gleason.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/hofcards/websize/maines_1.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/hofcards/websize/N172Miller-1-1.jpg

[kkkkandp]

It never gets old...... :)

Eric:

That is one OJ I do not have that I really wish I did!

Kevin

[kkkkandp]

I hope I get a Taylor Shafer card just so I can trade it for Kevin's Daniels card

Would you take a Larry Corcoran card instead? :D

[z28jd]

Would you take a Larry Corcoran card instead? :D

Let me look at my checklist, see if I have him. I have this horrible habit of buying cards I like and finding out I already have the card/player

[Fred]

Hey John, the next time there's a Corcoran for sale, let me know.... I'd be happy to remind you that you already have 1.... (or two, or three or xxxxxx)... You had to figure you walked right into this thread respose... :p

[MuddyMules]

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150739 150740 150741 150742
150743 150744 150745 150746
150747 150748 150749 150750

[oldjudge]

Ted--you've got some great cards in that group.

[shernan30]

Here are 2 new ones from Joe G. and Jay.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/30/5esa6u4u.jpg


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[oldjudge]

For those who have never seen it--here is the photographers proof for the McGreachery (Deacon White) portrait.

[pete zouras]

Another OJ

[cockrellcollection]

Love seeing these photos.....amazing cards all round!

[tlwise12]

Just got these two in the mail, with a few more good ones coming very soon.

A Darnbrough "no name" card and a Germany Long team over print...

[ValKehl]

I don't think any cards of this HOFer have been showed yet:

[Ladder7]

Low and outside. Good eye Connie

[oldjudge]

Printer's scrap is unheard of in the Old Judge set. This is the only such piece I have ever seen. Please note that the Gleason Browns Champ shares the card with a bit of low number series card 5, which is the King Kelly catch, hands chest high pose.

[wonkaticket]

Jay, that has to be one of the coolest cards I've seen. Wow!

[barrysloate]

What's great about that card is that although only a tiny remnant of the second card is visible, it's the number #5, positively identifying it. Very impressive.

[shernan30]

Really neat card Jay.


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[Fred]

Absolutely one of the cooler OJ cards I've seen in a while.

[kkkkandp]

Printer's scrap is unheard of in the Old Judge set. This is the only such piece I have ever seen. Please note that the Gleason Browns Champ shares the card with a bit of low number series card 5, which is the King Kelly catch, hands chest high pose.

First one I've ever seen. Really cool!

[tlwise12]

A few more...

[kkkkandp]

A few more...

Nice Worcester pickup!

[oldjudge]

This is one of the most interesting Old Judges I have ever found. As most/some of you know, sheets of Old Judges were made by rephotographing cabinet size photographs produced from glass plate negatives. If you look closely at the bottom of this card you will see the words "OLD JUDGE CIGARETTES". Those words, in that format, are not found on any N172. The only place to find that line is on the mount of an Old Judge cabinet. Thus, when making this card (and possibly the sheet it came from, Old Judge cabinets were used to provide cabinet sized images, instead of just albumen photograph prints.

[wonkaticket]

The "Thumb" strikes again...very cool card Jay!

[oldjudge]

Not baseball, but how many of you have ever seen a Large Gypsy Queen size Old Judge card

[wonkaticket]

That is a cool item.

[Joe_G.]

This is one of the most interesting Old Judges I have ever found. As most/some of you know, sheets of Old Judges were made by rephotographing cabinet size photographs produced from glass plate negatives. If you look closely at the bottom of this card you will see the words "OLD JUDGE CIGARETTES". Those words, in that format, are not found on any N172. The only place to find that line is on the mount of an Old Judge cabinet. Thus, when making this card (and possibly the sheet it came from, Old Judge cabinets were used to provide cabinet sized images, instead of just albumen photograph prints.

Extremely cool card Jay, thanks for sharing. Have you ever seen another one, same pose or otherwise? When the card maker compiled a matrix of 24 cabinet sized images I suspect the photos were rarely mounted on full size cabinet mount as they needed to be trimmed down so as to not affect the neighboring cards. But to see your Weber with the OLD JUDGE mount at least partially present, what a treat.

[oldjudge]

Joe--I have never seen another.

[shernan30]

My new addition, O'Connor Columbus!!!!http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/13/uhy7e9ym.jpg



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[oldjudge]

Great pickup Steve. O'Connor is a very scarce card.

[rhettyeakley]

Jay showed some non-Baseball so I don't feel bad showing these two Goodwin & Co. cards, I have never seen another of each "set"...

http://starsofthediamond.com/goodwinoddcards.jpg http://starsofthediamond.com/goodwinoddcards2.jpg

[oldjudge]

Neat cards Rhett, especially the one with the French caption

[tlwise12]

Really excited to pick these 2 up!

[sportzjunky]

Just back from vacation and catching up to more beautiful examples.. thank you to all posting.

Macullar/Maskrey misidentified - New example

Maskrey in photo, Macullar listed - ball cropped out of photo (slight variant to 295-1)

I am really getting a kick out of searching for OJs out there. Finding good and bad cards out there.

[uffda51]

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/websize/N172%20Van%20Haltren.jpg

[Fred]

Jay,

If you're still following this thread I had a quick question -

Where in the "OJ spectrum" of "hard to get" would you rate the Phenomenal Smith portrait card? How does this card rate in the order of "rarity" when compared to the spotted ties?

Thanks!

[oldjudge]

Hi Fred! The Phenominal Smith portrait is a very scarce card, as scarce or scarcer than most of the spotted ties, possibly with the exceptions of Behel and Brady. It is scarcer than all of the Connor, Gerhardt, Kelly, Welch, Esterbrook, Orr, and Lynch script cards (one Lynch script pose may be as scarce). Unfortunately, it also tends to come with a light photo.

[E93]

Who thinks Jay needs a manicure? ;)
JimB

[autograf]

http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NuGM08MdE60/U8MYTm93n_I/AAAAAAAAcbI/I5zV_V0_f8w/s1024-no/IMAGE_1740.jpg

Sorry for the stray Dukes card in upper right.....think the pink one may be an Australian.....like the Pope card......

[Fred]

Jay - Thank you!

Tom - I love the non-Sport OJs, they are pretty cool (IMO).

[Joe_G.]

Bump to keep the thread alive. Here is a pink tint coupled with a non-pink tint from same scan, no trickery to make the pink look darker.

[Angyale]

Jim McAleer ("normal" Albert for comparison).

Angyal

[oldjudge]

Pinkish cards can have sharp images. Unfortunately, in most instances they do not. Scarcer than the pink tints are the purple tints. Unlike the pink tints, they usually have nice photos, sometimes very nice ones.

[kkkkandp]

Scarcer than the pink tints are the purple tints. Unlike the pink tints, they usually have nice photos, sometimes very nice ones.

Now you are going to have to show us one! :D

[oldjudge]

Troublemaker--now I have to remember which players I have with that tint.

[wonkaticket]

Also Jay if you could whack your thumb with a hammer prior to showing us that way the thumb is sort of purple...it would give us something as a reference color to compare against and would be a big help. :)

[kkkkandp]

Like this? ;)

[wonkaticket]

Kevin exactly. :)

[oldjudge]

This is not the purple I was thinking of, more redish pink. I will find the purple one and post image at a later date.

[wonkaticket]

Great image on that card Jay!

[Angyale]

Zimmer (thanks Kevin!).

Angyale

[pete zouras]

Would like someday to score the N172 version of this card.

[MuddyMules]

Pink Rusie (Pitcher) and Buckley (Catcher).............love knowing that both played together in Indianapolis and that both cards have a pink tint.

"Amos Rusie threw so hard, many fans swore they couldn’t see the ball when it left his hand. Experts believe he could “bring it” at 100mph–and that he routinely threw in the high 90s. His catcher, Dick Buckley, under his glove, placed a thin strip of lead covered in a handkerchief, and added a sponge in order to avoid breaking bones in his hand. Rusie threw so hard–and was so wild–that batters were afraid to “stand in” the batter’s box against him. He was the largest reason that Major League baseball, prior to the 1893 season, moved the pitching distance back from 50′ to 60′ 6″. This rule change was the beginning of the “modern game” of baseball." From http://fromdeeprightfield.com/amos-rusie-the-pitcher-who-changed-the-game/

[shernan30]

Great Rusie and story!


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[kkkkandp]

I don't want this thread to die, so I went out and got some new OJs to post! : ) Thanks, Travis!

[The Nasty Nati]

I've been on the fence about getting an OJ, but this thread has definitely got me excited to get one. I especially like the action poses, like the Honest John Gaffney one that JimB posted...kind of looks like he's about to get drilled in the face with a ball.:eek:

[shernan30]

I grabbed 2 new ones recently.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/24/u4ube4aq.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/24/japa5upy.jpg


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[kkkkandp]

I grabbed 2 new ones recently.

Steven:

That's a great Columbus Baldwin!

Kevin

[Angyale]

but has anyone looked at the old judge scans on the Metropolitan Museum of Art website? There are spectacular high resolution scans of many cards including several HOFers.

Angyale

[joeadcock]

Farmer

[Joe_G.]

So many nice cards in this thread, I wanted to contribute with a little Detroit flavor. The first post is dedicated to the 1887 issue, Detroit's World Championship season. The manager Watkins and eight players would be issued a total of 28 poses and I'm complete at 28 of 28. The following are some of my favored poses with one example of each subject matter that was issued a card.

The 1887 cards were photographed at Gray Studio with the stadium backdrop. I personally like the design of the 1887 cards with what my friend Bill Phippen calls the "Hot Dog style OJ advertisement".

[Joe_G.]

1888, a year in which Goodwin & Co. would add several key Detroit players that were inexplicably missed in 1887 including two of my favorites; Lady Baldwin & Deacon White. These photos all originate from Fearnaught studio with a plain backdrop. It should be noted that many of the 1887 Detroit poses would also be re-issued in 1888 but I’m only showing the new for 1888 players.

1888 cards are much tougher than 1887 and I’m only 50% complete on the 30 Detroit poses. Among them is the only Detroit player I still need, Barney Gilligan. I look forward to the day that I can add Gilligan to complete a Detroit player run.

[Joe_G.]

1889, NL Wolverines have now disbanded but professional baseball remains in Detroit thanks to the International Association. All the Detroit players are merely team change cards that were issued previously by Goodwin & Co. Detroit would take top honors in the IA in 1889. On a side note, the Kid Baldwin card is an error and should have never been issued with Detroit.

The 1889 cards are not as difficult as the 1888 issue but can pose a modest challenge. I still need a couple poses out of 14 possible to be complete.

[wonkaticket]

Joe, that's such a great collection of cards....you really have some great stuff.

Cheers,

John

[oldjudge]

Joe-What an amazing team collection! I hope you find that Gilligan to complete the player set.

[oldjudge]

Just for a change of pace, I'll post something from Old Judges' sister product, Gypsy Quuens. This scorebook from an 1887 tour of California notes on the cover that: "All the League Players Smoke Gypsy Queen Cigarettes". That must have been true; they couldn't print a lie, could they?

[shernan30]

Great team collection Joe!


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[kkkkandp]

What a beautiful Detroit team run. They look so good next to each other!

[packs]

Hope I don't take too much heat for this:

While not an Old Judge, this cabinet photo was used to make one. Hank Gastright of the 1889 Columbus Solons. This cabinet is cool because it was produced and distributed for the final run of the OJ series:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m294/madjams/N173Proof_zpsbb46047a.jpg

[shernan30]

Hope I don't take too much heat for this:

While not an Old Judge, this cabinet photo was used to make one. Hank Gastright of the 1889 Columbus Solons. This cabinet is cool because it was produced and distributed for the final run of the OJ series:


That is an awesome cabinet :eek::eek:!! (I'm a Columbus Solons OJ collector)

[alaskapaul3]

from the 200 win club

[Joe_G.]

Old Judges were originally black and white with the sepia hues surfacing with time (faded chemicals). Those OJs that have been well cared for are sometimes more black and white than sepia. Here are a pair that look pack fresh, still black and white with only a faint sepia hue.

[kkkkandp]

Old Judges were originally black and white with the sepia hues surfacing with time (faded chemicals). Those OJs that have been well cared for are sometimes more black and white than sepia. Here are a pair that look pack fresh, still black and white with only a faint sepia hue.

I actually like the sepia color. It's what one gets accustomed to when looking at a lot of old photographs. The true black and white actually looks a little weird to me.

[Joe_G.]

I actually like the sepia color. It's what one gets accustomed to when looking at a lot of old photographs. The true black and white actually looks a little weird to me.

Most collectors of 19th century photographs concur, myself included. But I do appreciate the examples that have survived so long in black & white form.

[oldjudge]

Thought I'd throw in a few of my favorite Old Judge cabinets

[oldjudge]

Ewing and Mascot

[oldjudge]

Ward portrait

[oldjudge]

Cap

[oldjudge]

Not baseball, but that is the point. The only non-baseball athlete that I know of with an Old Judge cabinet. I think it was issued in Australia.

[joeadcock]

Wow Jay. Nice stuff.

[shernan30]

The Anson looks like it just arrived today! WOW!

[Texxxx]

Nothing special but it is to me since it is my first. Looks like a start of a long love affair.
I general don't break cards out of holders but I think these will be more loved raw. :D

[Joe_G.]

I never tire of seeing your cabinets Jay, just fabulous even though Ward and Anson are mere run of the mill variants :) The total population of Dogs Head mounts is so small.

[kkkkandp]

Nothing special but it is to me since it is my first. Looks like a start of a long love affair.
I general don't break cards out of holders but I think these will be more loved raw. :D

That is a beautiful Wheelock!

[kkkkandp]

Jay:

Your thumb looks quite tan.

Have you been frequenting the beach lately? : )

[oldjudge]

My thumb has it's own sunlamp.

[wonkaticket]

Jay, just amazing!

[sportzjunky]

wholly smokes Jay! that's bringing out the heavy guns. The images are some of the best in that era and being larger are breathtaking images for the time. Love the foster!

[benchod]

Beautiful n173s, Jay
Are Dogs head cabs all unique or do some subjects have more than one known?

[oldjudge]

I have seen two copies of one Connor pose and the Kelly, but that is the most of any pose I have seen. Otherwise, I have just seen one copy of each.

[wonkaticket]

I agree the thumb is looking buff and tan as of late. Jay have you thought about a 12 month calendar of your thumb? :)

[oldjudge]

Not just mine, but a portfolio of thumbs. I am doing a heavy routine of thumb wrestling to get ready for my thumb thong July image, but I think we already have a good candidate for the December page.

[alaskapaul3]

cannot compare to the Santa thumb , but here goes

[benchod]

Love the n173s

[oldjudge]

Beautiful cabinet Craig

[wonkaticket]

not just mine, but a portfolio of thumbs. I am doing a heavy routine of thumb wrestling to get ready for my thumb thong july image, but i think we already have a good candidate for the december page.

lol

[E93]

Jay,
Wow. That California League piece is awesome.. Oh, and the N173s don't suck either.
JimB

[E93]

Craig,
Very nice!
JimB

[E93]

Ok, here is my N173 contribution to this thread
JimB

http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/misc19thcenturybaseballcards/websize/N173%20Mickey%20Welch.jpg

[oldjudge]

Great Welch cabinet Jim

[wonkaticket]

Great Welch cabinet Jim

Big +1

[caramelcard]

Not baseball, but that is the point. The only non-baseball athlete that I know of with an Old Judge cabinet. I think it was issued in Australia.


Amazing. Thanks for posting this one. Is it smaller? Appears so.

Rob

[oldjudge]

No, exact same size as all other N173s

[pete zouras]

Hines

[oldjudge]

The first triple crown winner--nice pickup Pete!

[wonkaticket]

Wow another OJ thread I swear it's just OJ's after OJ's on here. :)

[joeadcock]

....

[shernan30]

2 new ones from National today. 154917154918

[sportzjunky]

Love that Hines Steven... Nice pick up.

back to the top......

I missed the earlier chat on GQ's. be cool to see a Es, En & Em GQ in 1 photo... love this thread keep em coming....

[benchod]

Ok, here is my N173 contribution to this thread
JimB

http://photos.imageevent.com/jimblumenthal/misc19thcenturybaseballcards/websize/N173%20Mickey%20Welch.jpg

Wow
Stunning image, Jim

[tlwise12]

Excited to pick this one up...

[oldjudge]

Very nice card Travis. Did you notice that Cudworth is wearing a St Louis jersey?

[tlwise12]

Jay

Thanks fir the kind words. Yes I did. I was shocked to see how nice it actually was once it was in hand...

Travis