Ty Cobb 1911 D304 General Bakery, "Star Breads" Card

[Skrubinski]

I recently obtained a Ty Cobb D304 card at the bottom of an estate box, along with several other older cards such as Babe Ruth 181 etc.. my question, as I am not a collector and I have gone through the expense of having them rated from SGC, is where is the best place to determine a value as none of the sites have this card priced, they have the Braunner (SP) card listed. I expect grading back tomorrow and as I stated I am not a collector so I am trying to make sure that I don't get screwed over by one of these "collector" sites or by an auction company.. Any feed back much appreciated.

[vintagecpa]

... I expect grading back tomorrow....

I think I would wait another day before getting too worked up.

[ullmandds]

probably fake...post some scans.

[e107collector]

probably fake...post some scans.

+1 - I hope for your sake they are authentic. Please keep us posted.

Tony

[Leon]

I think I would wait another day before getting too worked up.

The chances of those 2 cards being in the same box, and being real, are slim to none. But good luck to the OP nonetheless.....

[Sean1125]

Best of luck on authenticity. Here is picture of a couple of my D304's for reference.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2mgrqxi.jpg

[Skrubinski]

thanks for the input, so far multiple "experts" has said they are not fake but that is why I am having them graded.. They are the General Baking with the Star breads on the back, quality on the ty cobb has no creases, only slightly rounded corners.. they passed every test the local shops tied, 20x magnifier to look at printing, checked with black light, but if they are real then great if fake, then like the shop I took them to said, they are damn good.. I found 12 other high end different cards and before you ask, this was from someone estate that passed away.

[Skrubinski]

not posting a scan as the graded versions will be done tomorrow, so if they are real, I will post the graded version, if they are fake, then so be it.

[Skrubinski]

I think I would wait another day before getting too worked up.

not to excited, really don't care either way for me, I have very little invested in the box of junk they were in.

[ullmandds]

if u post scans we can tell you if they are real today!!!!
c/mon...you know u can't wait!!!!

[Skrubinski]

if u post scans we can tell you if they are real today!!!!
c/mon...you know u can't wait!!!!

not sure how you will be able to tell better than "Just Collect" whom seem to think authentic, they have pictures of it already, I am not a collector.. I have taken them to several local reputable companies in the area that handle high end cards they all said same thing, if forgeries, the best forgeries they have seem and based on the quality, and I agree, that they needed to be looked at by experts.. BUT, if they are real, and when they are graded, I will gladly post a picture and the information.

[Skrubinski]

The chances of those 2 cards being in the same box, and being real, are slim to none. But good luck to the OP nonetheless.....

I am hoping all 15 vintage cards are real.. lo.l

[BobbyVCP]

What was the name of the person you dealt with at JC?

[gnaz01]

You can look up on SGC website and see if they got graded or not.

[joeadcock]

Any chance we can see one scan?

[Skrubinski]

I have pictures of them in the screw downs, was afraid to take them out.. had a local collector take them out.. I will post in a while.

[ullmandds]

screw downs!!!!...this is getting good!!!

[Skrubinski]

Here is one picture

[Skrubinski]

Second pic. Trying to figure how to post.

[Skrubinski]

The local shops checked the printing and all the normal test but really don't care tomorrow will know if real or not from professionals. The screw downs are really scratched

[Skrubinski]

Yes the picture looks like ink /glue. Not real uniform in jewlers loop and printing is solid block

[Leon]

100% fake.....

[ullmandds]

hmmm...agreed...it looks pretty good.

The lack of detail on cobb's face(pink rosy cheeks)...as compared to the other authentic copies is a concern to me.

I will be curious to see the outcome...I hope they are real for your sake!

[Leon]

hmmm...agreed...it looks pretty good.

The lack of detail on cobb's face(pink rosy cheeks)...as compared to the other authentic copies is a concern to me.

I will be curious to see the outcome...I hope they are real for your sake!

It looks awful.....hideous actually. Look at the color of the edges and the uniformity in the rounding of the corners. Corners don't wear like that. A beginner could see that it's a reprint.

[ullmandds]

send me the dunce cap and I'll go sit in the corner for a while!!!! in my defense I've never owned a d304!!!!

[Skrubinski]

Leon. I would love to know your basis. Jealousy or ignorance. I don't remember asking for opinions on real or not that's sgc if fake then no big deal. If real Then great.

[Skrubinski]

And if your wrong Leon that makes you what a freaking idiot

[Skrubinski]

Does Leon own one. I can show you three cards that have rounded corners and btw not uniform at all. You know what this is waste of my time dealing with idiots like Leon. Asked a question. Not trying to sell and unless I see Leon's name on a professional grading his opinion is worthless

[JoeyF1981]

Does Leon own one. I can show you three cards that have rounded corners and btw not uniform at all. You know what this is waste of my time dealing with idiots like Leon. Asked a question. Not trying to sell and unless I see Leon's name on a professional grading his opinion is worthless


Leon has tons of knowledge and youre on here making a a$$ outta yourself when he gave you his honest opinion. He's right the corners are not from average wear. somebody purposely did that and if you had any sense at all youd listen to the experts on here instead of getting so defensive because youre realizing theres a very good chance theyre not authentic

[Leon]

Does Leon own one. I can show you three cards that have rounded corners and btw not uniform at all. You know what this is waste of my time dealing with idiots like Leon. Asked a question. Not trying to sell and unless I see Leon's name on a professional grading his opinion is worthless

Dig your hole a bit deeper my friend....here is mine...I told you a few posts up why but you are too busy being ignorant. I am only 100% sure of what I am saying so there is still some room for error :).

http://luckeycards.com/pd304cobb.jpg

[calvindog]

That Cobb is obviously fake.

[calvindog]

REA's magnets look more authentic than that Cobb.

[Skrubinski]

Dig your hole a bit deeper my friend....here is mine...I told you a few posts up why but you are too busy being ignorant. I am only 100% sure of what I am saying so there is still some room for error :).

http://luckeycards.com/pd304cobb.jpg

If it's fake fine but are you willing to put your card on the line

[Bocabirdman]

Dig your hole a bit deeper my friend....here is mine...I told you a few posts up why but you are too busy being ignorant. I am only 100% sure of what I am saying so there is still some room for error :).

http://luckeycards.com/pd304cobb.jpg

Leon, this card is not "yucky"

[calvindog]

If it's fake fine but are you willing to put your card on the line

Are you such a small asshole that you truly can't handle experts telling you that a few thousand dollar card is fake?

[Bocabirdman]

I got them in screwdowns .:D

141837

[Leon]

If it's fake fine but are you willing to put your card on the line

Sure if yours is real then you can have mine. Yours is fake. Don't take it personally. BTW, I may not be an expert but my name is in the front of the Krause Baseball Price guide and the Beckett price guide as a contributor....is yours?

[Skrubinski]

I never asked for "experts" opinions that's why I sent it to sgc. I have 100.00 in to the whole box from the estate. The true experts are looking at it now. I've had individuals that own very large stores that deal in these collectables handle this card in person yet this "expert" can tell thru scratched plastic that has all kinds of crap on it can tell hmmm.

[Skrubinski]

I never claimed to be what I'm not but my name is in multiple professional journals does not make me a professional on it all. Tomorrow sgc will complete grading if real I'll gladly post as well as if fake

[Skrubinski]

Few thousand dollar card? Ok.

[Paul S]

I never asked for "experts" opinions that's why I sent it to sgc.

Wha'?!:confused:

[gnaz01]

You know what this is waste of my time dealing with idiots like Leon.

LL, ban this guy!!! :mad:

[Bocabirdman]

Few thousand dollar card? Ok.

Here is a link for an FUGLY example for $1500

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-1914-D304-TY-COBB-Brunners-Bread-SGC-Detroit-Tigers-HOF-/261360934202?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3cda535d3a

[pencil1974]

Sorry late to the show, let me get my popcorn ready, hold on...

OK continue...

[gnaz01]

Sorry late to the show, let me get my popcorn ready, hold on...

OK continue...

LOL :p

[sebie43]

If Leon is an "idiot" idk what the hell that makes me :eek:

[Bocabirdman]

LL, ban this guy!!! :mad:

18 posts and already his head is being called for......Not a record but damn impressive none the less.:eek:

[gnaz01]

18 posts and already his head is being called for......Not a record but damn impressive none the less.:eek:

I know Mike, but a noob calling Leon an idiot? Just gets my Italian temper up! ;)

[nsaddict]

The Cobb in the screw down is an obvious fake. I would guess 90% of "local shops" would be clueless to the Cobb. "Estate sales" turn out to be fakes more times than not. The OP seems to be quite arrogant, shouldn't his name be posted too?

[frankbmd]

18 posts and already his head is being called for......Not a record but damn impressive none the less.:eek:

He's over the 15/day limit at 15.02 currently.

[sycks22]

Calling the moderator of a vintage baseball card website an idiot or ignorant is never a good sign.

[Paul S]

18 posts and already his head is being called for......Not a record but damn impressive none the less.:eek:

Even Adrian made it to 1000 posts

[Leon]

The Cobb in the screw down is an obvious fake. I would guess 90% of "local shops" would be clueless to the Cobb. "Estate sales" turn out to be fakes more times than not. The OP seems to be quite arrogant, shouldn't his name be posted too?

Yeah, I was kind of letting the name thing fly since it's only me he is calling an idiot. His name is Steve and his last name is after the S in his User id.....He'll get over it....not a big deal. Myself and many board members consult with the grading companies, on their behalf and on our specialties, but how is he to know?

[Bocabirdman]

Calling the moderator of a vintage baseball card website an idiot or ignorant is never a good sign.

I shall make a note of that in case MY brain completely shuts off. It could happen you know.:) If I could only think of an example......:eek:

[Bocabirdman]

Even Adrian made it to 1000 posts

Yes, but he did it in a week and a half.:D

[Skrubinski]

Yeah, I was kind of letting the name thing fly since it's only me he is calling an idiot. His name is Steve and his last name is after the S in his User id.....He'll get over it....not a big deal. Myself and many board members consult with the grading companies, on their behalf and on our specialties, but how is he to know?
Leon. I'm not trying to be ass. I have had so many different opinions from multiple large companies that had multiple cobb cards t206 and others that all stated same thing. Tired of people giving opinions without touching. I'm not trying to scam anyone I had a simple question if real by sgc grading where can I find pricing. I didn't want to post picture because how piss poor the picture is but did it after multiple request. If it's real great. If not then fine but no where did I ask for input on that you cannot tell me that by looking at bad quality picture you can tell anything I trust the store owner with multiple cobbs graded and others whom have touched it and looked at it I should have just waited until grading to ask question.

[Skrubinski]

Leon. I'm not trying to be ass. I have had so many different opinions from multiple large companies that had multiple cobb cards t206 and others that all stated same thing. Tired of people giving opinions without touching. I'm not trying to scam anyone I had a simple question if real by sgc grading where can I find pricing. I didn't want to post picture because how piss poor the picture is but did it after multiple request. If it's real great. If not then fine but no where did I ask for input on that you cannot tell me that by looking at bad quality picture you can tell anything I trust the store owner with multiple cobbs graded and others whom have touched it and looked at it I should have just waited until grading to ask question.
As to name I didn't know it wasn't showing

[Skrubinski]

Just to be clear only this forum has claimed fake I have standing offers from local major collectors

[gnaz01]

Just to be clear only this forum has claimed fake I have standing offers from local major collectors

Then if I were you, I would sell it ASAP

[ullmandds]

I'd bet my dollars on the mass opinion(s) of this board any day of the week.

[Skrubinski]

No the only thing that matters is a grading company grading not this or any other site

[Leon]

Leon. I'm not trying to be ass. I have had so many different opinions from multiple large companies that had multiple cobb cards t206 and others that all stated same thing. Tired of people giving opinions without touching. I'm not trying to scam anyone I had a simple question if real by sgc grading where can I find pricing. I didn't want to post picture because how piss poor the picture is but did it after multiple request. If it's real great. If not then fine but no where did I ask for input on that you cannot tell me that by looking at bad quality picture you can tell anything I trust the store owner with multiple cobbs graded and others whom have touched it and looked at it I should have just waited until grading to ask question.

Steve, the edges of the card are way too white. And When corners that are originally square, have rounding over time, they don't round so cleanly. And I am not even getting to the erased paper loss at the bottom of the back where the word "Reprint" used to be. I am 100% sure but of course I don't expect you to believe me. Call SGC and ask anyone there about me.....especially the graders or the customer service manager, Earl. I admit I still make mistakes but this isn't going to be one of them.

[Bocabirdman]

Leon. I'm not trying to be ass. I have had so many different opinions from multiple large companies that had multiple cobb cards t206 and others that all stated same thing. Tired of people giving opinions without touching. I'm not trying to scam anyone I had a simple question if real by sgc grading where can I find pricing. I didn't want to post picture because how piss poor the picture is but did it after multiple request. If it's real great. If not then fine but no where did I ask for input on that you cannot tell me that by looking at bad quality picture you can tell anything I trust the store owner with multiple cobbs graded and others whom have touched it and looked at it I should have just waited until grading to ask question.

Steve, The experts you have contacted use more than one of the board members here as a consultant. Whether you know it or not, you WILL NOT find a more knowledgeable crew of guys ANYWHERE. PERIOD. What knowledge cannot be culled from this board, died and was buried with the printers of the cards we collect. Happy Collecting.

[Skrubinski]

There is zero eraser points I can guarantee that

[Skrubinski]

I don't collect just wanted one little piece info

[ullmandds]

No the only thing that matters is a grading company grading not this or any other site

And with this statement your ignorance is proven.

[rdwyer]

Taking your cards to a local dealer who deals with the shiny stuff is a waste of time. 90% of them don't even know what to look for, when dealing with vintage. This place is your best bet of getting true and accurate opinions when dealing with vintage. If people here say your cards are bogus, then they are. It's that simple.

[Skrubinski]

If it's fake then no issue. I don't know enough either way but when done either real or fake it is what it is but the black marks you see on back are not on card and the card is all basically same color. But again that's sgc or psa to determine if found real planned on psa to verify

[Skrubinski]

And with this statement your ignorance is proven.
Where did I claim to be a collector and this is why card collecting is becoming a thing of the past

[Leon]

There is zero eraser points I can guarantee that

That is the only part I am not 100% sure of since it's hard to tell from the scan. But the authenticity is not a question. It's not even close. And again, that is just my opinion (and others in this thread). I have bought my fair share of bad cards over the years but over time have done it less often..... You will get your SGC answer soon and this won't be in your top 1000 learning lessons in life. It's just not that big of a deal. And one other thing. That card in a vg grade is about a 9k-12k card, with a common back as that one is. The Martens back is one of two known and would probably go for a little more.

[Skrubinski]

Maybe I'm erasing the population reports wrong but psa shows 1 of yours and none of the star bread. And sgc only shows 1 &2. Of the star. But either way first things first see if real or not

[Skrubinski]

Reading. Autocorrect

[Skrubinski]

http://www.psacard.com/pop/Detail.aspx?c=35389

[Leon]

Maybe I'm erasing the population reports wrong but psa shows 1 of yours and none of the star bread. And sgc only shows 1 &2. Of the star. But either way first things first see if real or not

Yours is called D304 General Baking (not Star), mine is called D304 Martens Bakery. There are 2 Cobbs known (that I am aware of) with a Martens back.

Here is the PSA one you speak of...

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=717&lotNo=81077


I won a half a dozen or more of the other Martens backs in that HA auction. But that is only the 2nd Martens backed Cobb I am currently aware of.

[Skrubinski]

If this is real I'll have it appraised before I sell it if it's fake I have a wobbly table that will be fixed

[Bocabirdman]

Steve,

I have a question for you. You said that there were about 15 cards in "a box of "junk". Leon as correctly evaluated a "real" Cobb in that condition as a $9k-$12k card. The Ruth you mentioned in your original post if it was "real" and in similar condition would be another couple grand. Given the value of those two cards and your admitted lack of knowledge, the other 13 cards may be an additional stack o' cash. We are talking about $15K up to god knows what. Why would someone know enough to put such "valuable' cards in to screw-downs and then throw them in the bottom of a junk box? :eek:

[x2drich2000]

Skrubinski, for Leon's card, both psa and sgc each show 1 graded. For your back, a General Baking back, sgc shows 8 graded and psa does show any specifically (though there are 2 with the back not identified). While the General Baking is not the most common back, it is also far from the most difficult. I would honestly suggest you take real consideration into what everyone on this board is telling you. Everyone is trying to be as helpful as possible and ultimately save you the $40+ per card grading fee that sgc will charge.

DJ

[Skrubinski]

It's already being graded. If it's fake it's fake.

[Skrubinski]

So based on all the negative statements I should assume the following are reprints as well

[Skrubinski]

And this one

[Skrubinski]

Steve,

I have a question for you. You said that there were about 15 cards in "a box of "junk". Leon as correctly evaluated a "real" Cobb in that condition as a $9k-$12k card. The Ruth you mentioned in your original post if it was "real" and in similar condition would be another couple grand. Given the value of those two cards and your admitted lack of knowledge, the other 13 cards may be an additional stack o' cash. We are talking about $15K up to god knows what. Why would someone know enough to put such "valuable' cards in to screw-downs and then throw them in the bottom of a junk box? :eek:
This came from estate never know

[Bocabirdman]

Steve,

Out of curiosity, without going into which sets they are from or what condition they are in, what are some of the other player's names on the other 13 cards?

[Skrubinski]

And this one
Or this one either

[Skrubinski]

Few more pics. Yes I know prob fake but I will wait for sga

[Skrubinski]

181 back

[calvindog]

LOLOLOL. This one is a world class moron.

[Skrubinski]

Last example

[Skrubinski]

Why? A question was asked I'm responding. Don't like don't read

[Skrubinski]

LOLOLOL. This one is a world class moron.
And I can cure ignorance can't cure being an idiot

[Skrubinski]

No comment about these. They were in same box

[calvindog]

And I can cure ignorance can't cure being an idiot

You're terminally afflicted with both.

[Skrubinski]

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one

[Kawika]

Skrubinski don't know it yet but he's about to be toast.

[Skrubinski]

Talking about clicks. Lol. You can attack me but I can't retort. I just looked at a posting done by Leon with the same rounded corners that my 181 has and I am being told that rounded corners mean reprints. Wow

[Leon]

Talking about clicks. Lol. You can attack me but I can't retort. I just looked at a posting done by Leon with the same rounded corners that my 181 has and I am being told that rounded corners mean reprints. Wow

They are all fake but I am most positive about the original D304.

[Skrubinski]

Sorry meant thread about Lou g that Leon is in

[calvindog]

Lol

[Skrubinski]

That makes no spence the Lou g. In your other thread has same rounded corners as my 181 but you claim fake on mine. Oh well I'm just glad I'm not a collector this forum is biased and completely predatory

[wolf441]

Steve, they are 100% fakes, it's okay. You tried to come on a vintage card site and get them by the experts.

We're only kidding with you, we're having a party. You haven't been here very long and we're breaking your balls, and you're getting f*cking fresh. We're sorry, we didn't mean to offend you.....

Now go home and get your f*ckin' shinebox.

[Sean1125]

I read this thread from the first page and can only laugh... You really shouldn't question members of this forum. Most of them are the most knowledgeable of their type of collections. Shit, I own two D304's Cobb's and many other cards.... and I think yours is NG. I hope I am wrong as I will buy it!

[ullmandds]

is the op Canadian?

[calvindog]

That makes no spence the Lou g.

Don Spence?

[calvindog]

I'm just glad I'm not a collector this forum is biased and completely predatory

Yes, the forum is biased against morons with fake cards. Glad you noticed.

[Skrubinski]

The bad part is that I didn't try to get anything by anyone. I asked a simple question. Cards are being graded by experts not wannabes

[Skrubinski]

So pound salt

[Skrubinski]

If it's real would rather sell to someone else

[calvindog]

The bad part is that I didn't try to get anything by anyone. I asked a simple question. Cards are being graded by experts not wannabes

The bad part is that you have fake cards. The good part is that we're laughing at you and your fake cards.

[ksabet]

These are real too:

<img src=http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/money-making-fake-boobs.jpg>

[Sean1125]

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one

Rather than show yours to everyone like a cat. Did you know cat's turning their rear to you means they like you...? Do you like us :D:D

[HRBAKER]

Now those are rounded corners.

[MMarvelli]

These are real too:

<img src=http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/money-making-fake-boobs.jpg>

Rounded corners...dead giveaway!

[Bocabirdman]

Steve,

You, of course, would rub our noses in the final product, slabbed and graded, but will you man up an admit when we are proven 100% correct? (because we are).

[JoeyF1981]

Steve, they are 100% fakes, it's okay. You tried to come on a vintage card site and get them by the experts.

We're only kidding with you, we're having a party. You haven't been here very long and we're breaking your balls, and you're getting f*cking fresh. We're sorry, we didn't mean to offend you.....

Now go home and get your f*ckin' shinebox.

LOL...you mudda***** (joe pesci voice)

[Skrubinski]

Not planning on doing either. Some already graded and yup I can state without exception that the ones already graded are not fake but as I only joined to ask a simple question and the responses have not at anytime provided the answer best of luck. I have nothing to prove to anyone on this site.

[Bocabirdman]

Gee....I feel s-o-o-o-o-o-o-o used:(

[frankbmd]

Tomorrow we will all be fawning over "The Strubinski Find".

We are a fickle group.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I can't wait to see those grades myself.

Thanks for sharing.

By the way you can also post on the April Pick-up Thread;).

[Bocabirdman]

Not planning on doing either. Some already graded and yup I can state without exception that the ones already graded are not fake but as I only joined to ask a simple question and the responses have not at anytime provided the answer best of luck. I have nothing to prove to anyone on this site.

Suddenly, they are graded? If that were true, you would have posted scans of the slabs to rub our noses in it. Has Adrian slipped past Leon?

[Paul S]

A guy and his dog walk into a bar...

[rhettyeakley]

The bad part is that I didn't try to get anything by anyone. I asked a simple question. Cards are being graded by experts not wannabes

Absolutely not trying to bust your balls but the reason people started to take offense to your posts and started getting snippy with you is when you started taking potshots at this forum and saying only those who touch the cards, local dealers, and grading companies are the true experts. Myself and any number of the "experts" on this forum have literally dealt thousands of these cards in out lifetimes and to say some local card-shop owner knows more than the least knowledgeable guy here is laughable at best--those guys may know the best Robinson Cano rookie but not this type of stuff. We can literally spot fakes like these from a mile away. Guess where the grading companies come when they don't know a particular set? Guarantee they go to someone that calls this site home!

Just as an FYI, a true vintage find will almost NEVER have cards that range in age from 1910 era to the mid-1950's, that and where are the commons? The biggest red-flag EVER when looking at cards at future estate sales is the following... for every Mickey Mantle, Ty Cobb, or Babe Ruth there should be equal numbers of Carl Willey, Davy Jones or George Earnshaw's! If you only find big names from all different eras. from different sets, all with equal amounts of wear to corners it shouldn't pass the initial smell test.

Again, not trying to bust your balls, just giving you some insight for future reference.

-Rhett Yeakley

[Skrubinski]

Suddenly, they are graded? If that were true, you would have posted scans of the slabs to rub our noses in it. Has Adrian slipped past Leon?
Take a second and read post some are graded yes but not final so I don't have in my hands but whatever. What a waste of my time to ask a question. Glad I'm not relying on this group to get real answers

[Skrubinski]

Absolutely not trying to bust your balls but the reason people started to take offense to your posts and started getting snippy with you is when you started taking potshots at this forum and saying only those who touch the cards, local dealers, and grading companies are the true experts. Myself and any number of the "experts" on this forum have literally dealt thousands of these cards in out lifetimes and to say some local card-shop owner knows more than the least knowledgeable guy here is laughable at best--those guys may know the best Robinson Cano rookie but not this type of stuff. We can literally spot fakes like these from a mile away. Guess where the grading companies come when they don't know a particular set? Guarantee they go to someone that calls this site home!

Just as an FYI, a true vintage find will almost NEVER have cards that range in age from 1910 era to the mid-1950's, that and where are the commons? The biggest red-flag EVER when looking at cards at future estate sales is the following... for every Mickey Mantle, Ty Cobb, or Babe Ruth there should be equal numbers of Carl Willey, Davy Jones or George Earnshaw's! If you only find big names from all different eras. from different sets, all with equal amounts of wear to corners it shouldn't pass the initial smell test.

Again, not trying to bust your balls, just giving you some insight for future reference.

-Rhett Yeakley
So to get this straight. Every collector does it exactly like this group. Enjoy

[Skrubinski]

So to get this straight. Every collector does it exactly like this group. Enjoy
Worst mistake for anyone is to ask a question of anyone on this site. You might know what your doing but I doubt any of you can do what even seasoned professionals can do grade by poor picture

[Skrubinski]

Worst mistake for anyone is to ask a question of anyone on this site. You might know what your doing but I doubt any of you can do what even seasoned professionals can do grade by poor picture
Cant

[Skrubinski]

Tomorrow we will all be fawning over "The Strubinski Find".

We are a fickle group.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I can't wait to see those grades myself.

Thanks for sharing.

By the way you can also post on the April Pick-up Thread;).
Not putting good or bad results on this. I can care less my cost is only grading and the time I wasted on this site

[Leon]

Cant

quite get it out?

There is an edit feature in each post so you can edit grammatical errors, fyi....

[rhettyeakley]

You might know what your doing but I doubt any of you can do what even seasoned professionals can do grade by poor picture

Who are these "seasoned professionals"? The young kids that grade for PSA and SGC? You can't really be serious. The people on this forum have more knowledge in their little fingers. Also, what you posted wasn't as "poor" of a picture as you are letting on... every single red-flag imaginable is in every one of your pictures you have posted, go re-read my post as it is obvious you didn't read it to begin with. The later pictures are even worse (and even more fake)!

You literally have a group of the most knowledgeable pre-WW2 baseball card collectors on the planet right here and you keep taking pot-shots at them and then feigning that you were totally innocuous when you came here and everyone is just ganging up on you.

Tip of the day for you... when confronted by someone who knows a hell of a lot more than you do... shut up and listen!

Edited to add: I'm calling "bull-crap" on you claiming any of the cards you just posted were graded! You have scanning capabilities so prove me wrong. What you have is the garden variety vintage card scam that many people fall for that aren't well-versed in the hobby, nothing to get bent out of shape over as you said you weren't out much money but me thinks thou doth protest too much...

[Iron Horse]

Finally some juicy read :D

[calvindog]

Not putting good or bad results on this. I can care less my cost is only grading and the time I wasted on this site

First of all, you type as if you've had a stroke -- is that your problem? Second, to lie and act as if you don't care if the cards are real just makes you look like more of an idiot than before (assuming this is possible). If real, you'll have your biggest payday in your life. If not, you're back to whatever hum drum, post-stroke job in which you're currently mired. And if you're constantly bemoaning the time you've "wasted" on this site, why not take your fake cards and GTFO?

[barrysloate]

Skrubinski- Sorry I'm a little late here but I am out of town this week. Where do I start. First off, it's really bad form to come on a forum with many of the most knowledgeable collectors in the hobby and call them idiots.That will never work. We get a lot of threads like this, where people who aren't collectors find things and ask the experts what they think. We're all pretty good at this.

And before you go calling me an idiot (you wouldn't be the first to do so) I've been a full time dealer of baseball memorabilia since 1982. That said, none of the cards you found appear to be real. Certainly, the d304 Cobb is without a doubt a reprint. When you hear from SGC today, you will find that out.

Do you notice that every corner of every card you have has pretty much the same exact corner wear? That's a really bad sign right there. Cards don't all wear in exactly the same way.

Anyway, you will find out the bad news for yourself. But bad form all the way around.

[chipperhank44]

I'm late to the party as well, but I've learned along the way that anytime you find extremely high dollar cards from different eras all together without any other mid-range to low-end cards, you should be very suspicious.

Also, the cards you have are without a doubt some of the most often faked cards I've seen over the past few years. Fake Hank Aaron Rookies, Leaf Ted Williams & Stan Musials, and Goudey Babe Ruths turn up at small local auctions and estate sales fairly regularly. I was honestly surprised not to see a 1956 Mantle included, it's a staple as well in that grouping of fake cards.

[frankbmd]

Given the fact that this was an estate sale, I suspect the owner died a happy man. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if there was a Wagner in his coffin............................in a screwdown holder of course.;)

[Sean1125]

Jeff, you've used too many long words for me. :rolleyes:

[CW]

I can't wait to hear the results!

Although, I guess if we don't hear back at all, we can assume what happened...

If the OP comes on here and admits that SGC found them all to be not authentic, I will gain a lot of respect for him (I actually think he's handled the abuse on here quite well, all things considered. And, yes, the OP could've used a bit more tact).

[sycks22]

My favorite part of the thread is when he comments on his own comments.

[ctownboy]

IMHO, this is a late April Fool's Day joke.

I have gone and still go to a lot of auctions. Large, small, indoor, outdoor, city, country, ones that start at 9 A.M. and ones that start at 7 P.M. It is VERY hard for me to believe that these cards were found in the bottom of a box and NOBODY knew they were there (especially the auctioneers).

No matter WHAT auction I have gone to, there are ALWAYS people digging through EVERY box to see what is in it. So even if people didn't know the real value of these cards there had to be a couple of people at the auction who would have at least thrown some bids on these things to drive their price up to more than $100 dollars. This is especially true since all the cards seem to be of big name players.

I can understand if a handful of common T 206 cards were found and nobody at an auction knew that a Drum back on one of them was something special. But, come on, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson and other big name players?

NOBODY else saw these cards in the bottom of a box and NOBODY decided to run the OP up in price just for the heck of it?

A few years ago, I went to an auction SPECIFICALLY for a stack of B-18 blankets. When they came up, only two other people even paid attention to the stack and that was because the auctioneer made a big deal out of these being older baseball items.

Only another guy and myself were bidding on them and I had the top bid at $100 dollars (there were 39 total blankets in the stack including a Walter Johnson) so I was stoked to think that I was going to get these so inexpensively. At that moment, however, a wealthy guy who regularly attends this auction noticed what was going on. He bid me up until I won the blankets for $325 dollars. Still a good deal but not as good as it could have been.

The moral is, at EVERY auction I have ever attended there is ALWAYS at least one person there who has money and who will bid something up (even if they don't really know what it is and don't really have any interest in it) just because they think someone else is getting a good deal on it.

David

[Bocabirdman]

IMHO, this is a late April Fool's Day joke.

I have gone and still go to a lot of auctions. Large, small, indoor, outdoor, city, country, ones that start at 9 A.M. and ones that start at 7 P.M. It is VERY hard for me to believe that these cards were found in the bottom of a box and NOBODY knew they were there (especially the auctioneers).

No matter WHAT auction I have gone to, there are ALWAYS people digging through EVERY box to see what is in it. So even if people didn't know the real value of these cards there had to be a couple of people at the auction who would have at least thrown some bids on these things to drive their price up to more than $100 dollars. This is especially true since all the cards seem to be of big name players.

I can understand if a handful of common T 206 cards were found and nobody at an auction knew that a Drum back on one of them was something special. But, come on, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson and other big name players?

NOBODY else saw these cards in the bottom of a box and NOBODY decided to run the OP up in price just for the heck of it?

A few years ago, I went to an auction SPECIFICALLY for a stack of B-18 blankets. When they came up, only two other people even paid attention to the stack and that was because the auctioneer made a big deal out of these being older baseball items.

Only another guy and myself were bidding on them and I had the top bid at $100 dollars (there were 39 total blankets in the stack including a Walter Johnson) so I was stoked to think that I was going to get these so inexpensively. At that moment, however, a wealthy guy who regularly attends this auction noticed what was going on. He bid me up until I won the blankets for $325 dollars. Still a good deal but not as good as it could have been.

The moral is, at EVERY auction I have ever attended there is ALWAYS at least one person there who has money and who will bid something up (even if they don't really know what it is and don't really have any interest in it) just because they think someone else is getting a good deal on it.

David

I believe his tale involves an estate sale not an auction.:D

[buymycards]

I'm not sure I believe the "estate sale" story. I'm thinking he feels we are a bunch of dopes and we would be making offers on his fake cards.

I doubt that he has submitted anything to SGC. A scan of the SGC submission form would prove me wrong.

[Bocabirdman]

I'm not sure I believe the "estate sale" story. I'm thinking he feels we are a bunch of dopes and we would be making offers on his fake cards.

I doubt that he has submitted anything to SGC. A scan of the SGC submission form would prove me wrong.

Rick... Assuming they were submitted.... We KNOW he would be back to gloat should they by some miracle get a grade. The real question is if he will cowboy up and admit they are garbage when they come back unslabbed. Likely, we have heard the last from him.:eek:

[glchen]

IMHO, this is a late April Fool's Day joke.

I have gone and still go to a lot of auctions. Large, small, indoor, outdoor, city, country, ones that start at 9 A.M. and ones that start at 7 P.M. It is VERY hard for me to believe that these cards were found in the bottom of a box and NOBODY knew they were there (especially the auctioneers).

No matter WHAT auction I have gone to, there are ALWAYS people digging through EVERY box to see what is in it. So even if people didn't know the real value of these cards there had to be a couple of people at the auction who would have at least thrown some bids on these things to drive their price up to more than $100 dollars. This is especially true since all the cards seem to be of big name players.

I can understand if a handful of common T 206 cards were found and nobody at an auction knew that a Drum back on one of them was something special. But, come on, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson and other big name players?

NOBODY else saw these cards in the bottom of a box and NOBODY decided to run the OP up in price just for the heck of it?

A few years ago, I went to an auction SPECIFICALLY for a stack of B-18 blankets. When they came up, only two other people even paid attention to the stack and that was because the auctioneer made a big deal out of these being older baseball items.

Only another guy and myself were bidding on them and I had the top bid at $100 dollars (there were 39 total blankets in the stack including a Walter Johnson) so I was stoked to think that I was going to get these so inexpensively. At that moment, however, a wealthy guy who regularly attends this auction noticed what was going on. He bid me up until I won the blankets for $325 dollars. Still a good deal but not as good as it could have been.

The moral is, at EVERY auction I have ever attended there is ALWAYS at least one person there who has money and who will bid something up (even if they don't really know what it is and don't really have any interest in it) just because they think someone else is getting a good deal on it.

David

You would think that this would be the case where authentic cards of big stars like Ruth would not go unnoticed. However, as another poster mentioned, it was an estate sale, and these things do happen such as here: Link (http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=145928), where the OP found an authentic Eclipse Ruth strip at an estate sale for sale in a ziplock bag for $10! This has been the only uncut salesman strip that has ever been found with Ruth. I purchased a Universal Toy panel with Ruth from a seller on ebay earlier this year, who told me he also found it at an estate sale. Last year, there was a "find" for a partial set of extremely rare Sociedade cards, which had multiple Ruth and Gehrig cards, where the ebay seller told me he picked up at a flea market, of all places. So, these things do happen more often than you would think.

[Bocabirdman]

You would think that this would be the case where authentic cards of big stars like Ruth would not go unnoticed. However, as another poster mentioned, it was an estate sale, and these things do happen such as here: Link (http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=145928), where the OP found an authentic Eclipse Ruth strip at an estate sale for sale in a ziplock bag for $10! This has been the only uncut salesman strip that has ever been found with Ruth. I purchased a Universal Toy panel with Ruth from a seller on ebay earlier this year, who told me he also found it at an estate sale. Last year, there was a "find" for a partial set of extremely rare Sociedade cards, which had multiple Ruth and Gehrig cards, where the ebay seller told me he picked up at a flea market, of all places. So, these things do happen more often than you would think.

Perhaps such finds could occur at an Estate Sale. In this case though, it matters not whether they are from an Estate Sale, an Auction or Grandpa's attic. The cards, at least the ones he has provided scans for, are reprints.

[Rickyy]

The scan definitely looks like the reprint card of D304 that has been enhanced (corners rounded) to look older...also as Pete mentioned, the blurry image is another tell tale sign...the originals retain a sharper image. The four even corners are also a dead give away...

Ricky Y

[glchen]

Perhaps such finds could occur at an Estate Sale. In this case though, it matters not whether an Estate Sale, an Auction or Grandpa's attic. The cards, at least the ones he has provided scans for, are reprints.

Yep, I completely agree that the card in question here is a reprint.

[Bocabirdman]

Crickets!!:eek::D

[soccersaver97]

Lol. He is perfectly happy insulting Leon and stubbornly arguing that this forum knows nothing, but when it's time to admit fault and apologize he can't do it.

[Tao_Moko]

I never asked for "experts" opinions that's why I sent it to sgc. I have 100.00 in to the whole box from the estate. The true experts are looking at it now. I've had individuals that own very large stores that deal in these collectables handle this card in person yet this "expert" can tell thru scratched plastic that has all kinds of crap on it can tell hmmm.

"The true experts" makes me laugh. I'd have Leon review my cards for authenticity any day before some of the "experts" you mention with the grading companies. I'll do what you requested initially and that's to give advice on where to sell and value. Answer - eb*y. List as a reprint for .99 bin.

[Bridwell]

Looks like we haven't heard any news today. What did SGC grade the cards?

[ZachS]

Looks like there are a lot of jealous idiots in here that can't afford real cards like the major collectors out there.

Oh yeah... IDIOTS.

[cguidi]

Are these cards from the Krubinski find?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-1911-D304-GEN-BAKING-CO-BASEBALL-CARDS-PSA-GRADED-AUTHENTICITY-IN-QUESTION-/201146446310?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2ed54331e6

This thread was an awesome read!

[ullmandds]

Dunno where they are from...but they are not real...and I love it when listings claim they were "graded" by such and such a TPG..."graded" as not real!!!!

[rjackson44]

Barry sloate leon and all the top guys here dont make mistakes,,anyway this is why i dont watch tv ever anymore,,you have net 54 ,,when:) is leon getting a t.v deal ill watch 24/7 thanks guys you rock octavio

[RNH]

I read that entire thread only to get to the end and no scans of the graded, authentic cards. Now I know how my wife feels after sex... totally unsatisfied.

[ullmandds]

I read that entire thread only to get to the end and no scans of the graded, authentic cards. Now I know how my wife feels after sex... totally unsatisfied.

funny! your poor wifey!

[ZachS]

I just wanted to drop in here again to let everyone know that you are all still idiots and no nothing about the authentication of cards.

[peterose4hof]

Thanks for bumping this thread. I got a good laugh.

[barrysloate]

Barry sloate leon and all the top guys here dont make mistakes,,anyway this is why i dont watch tv ever anymore,,you have net 54 ,,when:) is leon getting a t.v deal ill watch 24/7 thanks guys you rock octavio

I make mistakes...lots of them.:)