Zeenut thread

[AndrewJerome]

This thread is a Zeenut free for all. Post scans of recent pickups or old favorites below, or pose Zeenut thoughts / theories / questions.

What Z projects are you working on? Full years? Team subsets? Player subsets? Are there Z cards so elusive for you that you would like to just see a scan? I have been chasing Seattle Zeenuts for about 7 years. I would enjoy just seeing a scan of 37-38 Gabrielson (Sea) or 37-38 Muller (Sea).

I still find it shocking that no actual Zeenut packaging is known to have survived. Surely something has to be out there??

For those of you with 1911s, how many do you have with the "J.J. Collins" stamp? My only stamped 1911 is below, I know there is at least one other variation of the stamp.

Finally, after being at the top of my Z want list for years, my recent Z pickup is below.

Andrew

[Jacklitsch]

Cool card Andrew!

I collect 1911 also. Have one JJ Collins stamped back out of 120 or so. Need 2 to complete the set.

Also have put a run together though not all with coupons as Leon did.

Here is a back stamp on one of the 1911 cards:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/1911%20Zeenut/WaresStamp.jpg

Here is the only "corrected" card in the 1911 set. Discoll corrected to Driscoll:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/65bd54de5632136923cb0841ff1735cc_zps819c8d8b.jpg

[Leon]

Can we include E136 Home Run Kisses?

[Jacklitsch]

No Zeenut thread is complete without the goofy Leard pose:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/Zeenuts/Z13LeardSGC.jpg

[bbpostcards]

Nice Fatty. Here's Jimmy Claxton:

[AndrewJerome]

Leon: HRK are always welcome, cool card.

Steve: interesting back stamp. I will dig through my cards, I know I have a few stamped by banks. Love the old back stamps.


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[AndrewJerome]

Wow that is a sharp Claxton, great card


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[caramelcard]

No packaging found in all these years. Back stamps. Maybe they weren't packaged...just given out. Steve's stamp supports that theory at least for the 11s.

Or the packaging was not the traditional candy box that we picture these in.

Nice Fatty Jerome.

[pariah1107]

Stories OK, right Andrew....

In 1928, former Chicago White Sox pitching prospect, Elmer Leifer, was signed by the Cle Elum-Roslyn Miners of the Central Washington League. Leifer had lost his eye in a collision with Travis Jackson in 1922, but had a pretty decent career as a pitcher in Montana, Canada, and eastern Washington throughout the 20's. Great SABR bio on him. He had one Zeenut card, 1919.

Leifer, instead played outfield for the Miners that season. He was beat out for the starting spot by Jimmy Claxton. Who, of course, had the above 1916 Zeenut. Pretty decent one-two punch for a lower rung of organized baseball....

[dferguso1988]

No Zeenut thread is complete without the goofy Leard pose:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/Zeenuts/Z13LeardSGC.jpg

That pose looks like the start of the Gangnam Style fad lol I knew PSY didn't come up with those moves himself...

[DHogan]

This is my favorite. It always makes me laugh. I collect cards with people named Hogan.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/Finestkind123/scan0001-20.jpg

[brianp-beme]

Leard is king of the goofy Zeenuts, but here are a few more, including a recent pickup of the Eddie Gaedel of the PCL, Dick Bayless (of course the Portland Cox as shown is a definite contender--pardon my euphemisms).

Brian

[dlfallen]

Erik Erickson - the only Swedish-born major league player to have a baseball card (2 Z's and a Willard's Chocolate).
http://home.comcast.net/~david.fallen/Data/Erickson_Zeenut.JPG

I also collect Seattle Zeenuts, although I'm not as serious about it as Andrew. Of my 108 Zeenuts, none have a back stamp although one of them has a typed name (remeber typewriters?) on the back -- TOM CHRISTIAN

[quinnsryche]

I like the ones where you can see the full uniform front. My only 3 but hope to add more in the future. The Mitchell has a cool old car in the background. That was my first one and it's what drew me to it in the first place.

[Fred]

Andrew,

Fatty is the at the top of my Zee list, congratulations on the pickup. I haven't seen one for sale or auction for a while.

[t213]

I love Zeenuts and focus on collecting sets. I've completed 1931 and am two away from 1932. I'm trying to accumulate 1915, 1916, 1920 and 1933-36. I also collect cool poses from other years.

Andy

[tlwise12]

At first, I wanted to get one from each year including a HRK. I did that and then I focused on picking up certain cards that I wanted.

-1913 Cadreau (Native American)
-1916 Chief Johnson
-1916 Claxton
-1917 Chief Johnson
-1918 Luther Smith
-1919 Luther Smith
-1920 Luther Smith

Needless to say I have 6/7 and will have to wait on the 7th for a LONG time.

Travis

[Leon]

shown before, many times, but this is the place for them :)

[t213]

Here's my 1916 Frank Chance.

Andy

[DixieBaseball]

Beam me up Scotty

[paul]

I'm surprised no one has shown these yet.

[brianp-beme]

Since we have this nice Zeenut thread (thanks Andrew), I thought I would post this again. Zeenuts were the target of many of Buck Barker's pens and pencils over the years.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Nice Fatty Andrew...many 1919 Zeenut sets, including mine, will be incomplete because of that card. Congrats on scoring one.

Brian

[smtjoy]

Love Zeenuts, so many cool cards-

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1912Zeenut-Carlise-55.jpg[/URL]http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/18zeenuthollander30.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/18zeenuthollander30.jpg.html)http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/Zeenut1914brown40.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/Zeenut1914brown40.jpg.html)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1913ZeenutHalaAuth.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1913ZeenutHalaAuth.jpg.html)http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1912ZeenutHetling30.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1912ZeenutHetling30.jpg.html)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1917ZeenutBrown50.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1917ZeenutBrown50.jpg.html)http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1922ZeenutSmithG20.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1922ZeenutSmithG20.jpg.html)http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1923ZeenutFlashkamper40.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1923ZeenutFlashkamper40.jpg.html)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1914Zeenut-McCredie-40-WithTab.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1914Zeenut-McCredie-40-WithTab.jpg.html)http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1925Zeenut-Lazzeri-35.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/smtjoy/media/Vintage%20Cards/Zeenuts/1925Zeenut-Lazzeri-35.jpg.html)

[wonkaticket]

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/websize/Thorpe.jpg

[h2oya311]

http://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/websize/Heilman.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/websize/1929%20Gomez.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/websize/1928%20Lombardi.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/websize/1916%20Southworth.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/websize/1919%20Vance.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/derekgranger/hofrookies1/websize/1923%20Waner.jpg

[pitchernut]

Posted this before but my one and only one of him :rolleyes:

[Dan Carson]

That's super nice fair...

http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/net54shared/websize/Thorpe.jpg

[AndrewJerome]

Great stuff so far guys.

Thinking more about Zeenut packaging, you don't see many Zs with candy stains or stains at all on the cards. Looking at the Zeenut sheet music below you see a "delicious treat" that looks rather large and messy. Since Zs don't really have staining problems, it seems likely the "treat" wasn't touching the card. Point here is that the packaging would have to be relatively large to house both the card and that rather large treat pile shown on the sheet music, while also keeping the card protected from staining. From the Horne book amongst other sources it seems the cards were inserted "one per box" of candy. Maybe the size of a double height box of modern Junior Mints?? Who knows, maybe some day a box will surface -- until then one of the many unsolved Zeenut mysteries. . .

[wolfdogg]

I collect only Barbee cards in the ZeeNuts....1929-31....I look for them on eBay occasionally....have 8-15 of each year so far

[Leon]

Quite a few candy boxes of the 1910s, this one being 1912, would have physically been able to hold the Zeenut E136/E137 / D310 size cards. This box was put out by Bishop and Co. and is approximately 10" x 5" in size. I don't know if any cards would have come in it though as most of their cards were smaller.

BTW, love that ad Andrew. Looks so tasty!! I believe I have a copy also.

[Zeenut]

1911 Zee-Nut Postcard

[seattlerainiers]

That PC reminded me of one I have. Has an AZO back:

[oaks1912]

Leon....The Calarab box is most likely from the 1920's. Bishop marketed hundreds of products including jams, jellies, crackers and candy. The five cents chocolate boxes sized just larger than a Cracker Jack box are the most likely recipient of the insert card. The box that I have perfectly fit an E-221 when the card is folded (as most E-221's are). I have a slightly different Calarab box, along with a wooden box, although I do not believe that either ever held the cards

[Leon]

Leon....The Calarab box is most likely from the 1920's. Bishop marketed hundreds of products including jams, jellies, crackers and candy. The five cents chocolate boxes sized just larger than a Cracker Jack box are the most likely recipient of the insert card. The box that I have perfectly fit an E-221 when the card is folded (as most E-221's are). I have a slightly different Calarab box, along with a wooden box, although I do not believe that either ever held the cards

Thanks Mark, I was only going by the copyright and other exact ads I have seen with this box from circa 1912. This ad is from 1914 and here is the box you might be speaking of...

http://luckeycards.com/po1914calarabbishops11x14ad.jpg

http://luckeycards.com/po1912calarabbishopswoodbox.jpg

[caramelcard]

That PC reminded me of one I have. Has an AZO back:


Haven't seen this one. Nice.

[oaks1912]

Thanks for posting the ad Leon. Thats the first mention of a Chicago office that I've seen. Primarily used for their packaged goods (peanut butter, jams,etc) rather than their candy. The "candied figs" are different as they had enough preservatives to stay fresh for a few months. Those Calarab boxes have turned up in different regions of the country. Also, the San Diego factory still exists (the building not the business). It was converted to an Antique mall in the late 70's, then renovated in the last decade. One of the first buildings to undergo renovation in what is now the gaslamp district / old downtown San Diego. San Francisco's factory (not listed in your ad) was destroyed in the '06 earthquake

[ooo-ribay]

Is this for reals?

I collect much more modern stuff. My highest dollar piece cost me $2500 :p

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291018621765?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[paul]

That is a very nice, valuable card, but overpriced by a factor of about 100.

[MMarvelli]

It is ego pricing so when anyone does a Pre-War search and sorts by "Price: highest first" this listing tops the list. The claim can be made it is the most expensive card in its class. It has been there for many many months and will remain until the price is lowered to a reasonable amount, it is de-listed, or hell freezes over.

[ooo-ribay]

It is ego pricing so when anyone does a Pre-War search and sorts by "Price: highest first" this listing tops the list. The claim can be made it is the most expensive card in its class. It has been there for many many months and will remain until the price is lowered to a reasonable amount, it is de-listed, or hell freezes over.

Thank you and thanks to Paul for the info. I think some eBay sellers subscribe to the PT Barnum theory of gullibility. Course, in this case you need to be a sucker AND loaded!

[mattsey9]

One of my favorite cards in my collection, Blaine "Kid" Durbin. Durbin was a bit player for two seasons for the Chicago Cubs, but those two seasons were 1907 and 1908. Two years of note to Cubs fans...

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n282/mattsey9/1908%20Cubs/1908-BlaineDurbin.jpg

[philliesphan]

Is this one of Gilly Campbell, the "One Legged Catcher"

(For those not familiar with the issue, Mr. Campbell obviously had two legs, but the cropping on this Zeenut leaves a bit to be desired!)

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersko/mikeschmidt/phillies/websize/1932GillyCampbellSGC30.jpg

[philliesphan]

Steve-

I see your SGC 35 Leard and present you mine :)

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersko/mikeschmidt/phillies/websize/1913LeardSGC35.jpg

[Section103]

Love them all, but if anyone ever comes across a Pippin (Pippen) please, please, please let me know. :)

[IMAXMAX]

I'm looking for a copy of the Horne Zeenut book...
If anyone on the board knows where to find one please feel free to send me a PM
Thanks!
Daniel

[clydepepper]

My first Zeenut is also my first Moses Yellowhorse:

213201

[jefferyepayne]

Being a football collector, both of my Zeenuts are of players who also played pro football.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rekXmz-RKfg/VlZ1NQS211I/AAAAAAAABxo/C-93sZhpYK8/s512-Ic42/thorpezeenut.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N1kn_j6W3WY/VlZ1LuygptI/AAAAAAAABxQ/gDf0c6CujJI/s512-Ic42/IMG_20150920_0001.jpg

Still looking for Zeenuts of Paddy Driscoll and Walter French if anyone has them and wants to sell them. Any other footballers would be appreciated as well.

jeff

[Louieman]

I have a particular fondness of the 1913 zeenuts. The sepia tone really matches the time period nicely. Leon, the second one should be pretty familiar to you :)

[NewEnglandBaseBallist]

Here's a couple:

[rhettyeakley]

I love seeing the "through the years" collection of a single player.

Here is Tubby Spencer (I wonder how he ended up with that nickname? :) )

http://www.starsofthediamond.com/13zeespencer.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/15zeespencer.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/16zeespencer.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/19zeespencer.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/21zeespencer.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/22zeespencerpair.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/25zeespencer.jpg

[rhettyeakley]

Carl Mitze:
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/11zeemitze.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/12zeemitze.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/13zeemitze.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/14zeemitze.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/15zeemitze.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/16zeemitze.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/17zeemitze.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/18zeemitze.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/19zeemitze.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/20zeemitze2.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/21zeemitze.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/22zeemitze2.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/23zeemitze.JPG

[Leon]

I have a particular fondness of the 1913 zeenuts. The sepia tone really matches the time period nicely. Leon, the second one should be pretty familiar to you :)

Fond memories and certainly one of the best Z poses in the prior collection. That was a Trucker Boy find card. As you might know as I have recalled it several times before, I got it from the grandson of the guy how collected it as a kid. Great card, congrats.

[mrvster]

that "chic" in the ad was scary as HELL:eek:

[Zeenut]

I don't mind the period writing on this one at all!

[Luke]

Wow, nice Matt! Never seen that one before.

[oaks1912]

Luke.... You're in deep trouble !! You're hanging around too many Zeenut collectors and you live in PCL territory. Once you get to the 500 different plateau on T-206, you'll be forced to collect Zeenuts... Without proper planning, you'll be eating ramen twice a day until your hair turns gray.......:)

[edjs]

Luke.... You're in deep trouble !! You're hanging around too many Zeenut collectors and you live in PCL territory. Once you get to the 500 different plateau on T-206, you'll be forced to collect Zeenuts... Without proper planning, you'll be eating ramen twice a day until your hair turns gray.......:)

I can testify to the truth in Mark's words. I am a PCL junkie, and happy of it!

Mark, you get ramen TWICE a day? You aren't trying hard enough! (like you need anything else) Check out my post on the D310 thread, I finally scanned all my D310s and posted there. I would love to hear what you think.

[Leon]

PCL cards rock. They aren't the flashy T cards but they are a lot of fun to collect. I love the Heilmann above too!! (as well as the rest of them of course)


Luke.... You're in deep trouble !! You're hanging around too many Zeenut collectors and you live in PCL territory. Once you get to the 500 different plateau on T-206, you'll be forced to collect Zeenuts... Without proper planning, you'll be eating ramen twice a day until your hair turns gray.......:)

[Exhibitman]

My favorite:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/dropins/websize/E137%20Zeenuts%201928%20Mishkin.jpg

The Saga of Solly Mishkin [down the page a bit]:

http://www.oldcardboard.com/eNews/2006/enews31/eNews31.htm

Sammy Bohne: per Wikipedia: "Samuel Arthur "Sam" Bohne (born Samuel Arthur Cohen; October 22, 1896, in San Francisco, California – May 23, 1977 in Palo Alto, California), is a former professional baseball player who played second base from 1916 to 1926. Bohne was Jewish, but according to author John Rosengren, the Cincinnati Reds persuaded him to change his name to Bohne because its front office ' "brain trust" didn't believe the city's largely German population would welcome a player named Cohen."

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/dropins/websize/1919%20Zeenut%20Bohne%201.jpg

Ox Eckhardt: per Wikipedia: "Oscar George "Ox" Eckhardt (December 23, 1901 – April 22, 1951) was an outfielder for the Boston Braves and Brooklyn Dodgers. Eckhardt holds the all-time professional baseball record for batting average, counting both major and minor league stats. His .192 in 57 major league plate appearances barely lowered his .367 career batting average in the minors (second all-time among minor league-only batting averages to Ike Boone's .370). Eckhardt ends up fractionally ahead of #2 Ty Cobb, whose career .366 is also lowered marginally by his minor league stats. In 1933, Eckhardt hit .414 for the San Francisco Missions. He was later inducted in the Pacific Coast League Hall of Fame. He also played fullback, halfback, and quarterback for the Texas Longhorns and the New York Giants."

Apparently, he was a 1928 NY Giant:

http://www.nfl.com/player/oxeckhardt/2513447/profile

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibitman/dropins/websize/E137%20Zeenuts%201934-36%20Eckhardt.jpg

[Luke]

Luke.... You're in deep trouble !! You're hanging around too many Zeenut collectors and you live in PCL territory. Once you get to the 500 different plateau on T-206, you'll be forced to collect Zeenuts... Without proper planning, you'll be eating ramen twice a day until your hair turns gray.......:)

Uh oh :D In college I ate a bunch of ramen with tomato sauce. It wasn't that bad...

[rhettyeakley]

Tis is one of my favorite "mess up" cards... anyone notice what is wrong with Otis Brannon? (Dahlgren for comparison)
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/32zeebrannon.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/32zeedahlgren.jpg

[bocca001]

coast, coast

[Leon]

Tis is one of my favorite "mess up" cards... anyone notice what is wrong with Otis Brannon? (Dahlgren for comparison)
http://www.starsofthediamond.com/32zeebrannon.jpg http://www.starsofthediamond.com/32zeedahlgren.jpg

shouldn't his right arm be under his left one on the follow through swing?

[rhettyeakley]

Marc is correct!

Check out the title of the card, instead of "coast league" on the front it says "coast coast" for some inexplicable reason.

[Leon]

Marc is correct!

Check out the title of the card, instead of "coast league" on the front it says "coast coast" for some inexplicable reason.

I needed more coffee. Coast coast?, everyone no one knows what that means. The proofer needed more coffee too!!

[philliesphan]

Here's two folks that played on the 1927 Yankees:

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersko/mikeschmidt/phillies/websize/1932JulieWeraSGC40.JPG

http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersko/mikeschmidt/phillies/websize/1932MichaelGazellaSGC30.jpg

[tedzan]

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan77/images/large/ZeenutHolmesTab.jpg


TED Z
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[t206fix]

Put in Yellowhorse! Pawnee Nation!

[brianp-beme]

My avatar, which I still don't own. And only currently remember that it is a 1921 card.

[Fred]

doh...

[VoodooChild]

Here's my first Zeenut. I have just recently been getting into the PCL as I've been trying to put together a T212-2 back run. After doing research, I've become fascinated with the early pioneers of the league and members of the PCL HOF like McCredie, Pop Dillon, Hap Hogan, etc.

[Joshchisox08]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221970552848?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649