FINAL----HOF Ballot- Submit your own!

[UnVme7]

First off, if this needs to go in a different area, feel free to move it Leon.

I figured it would be a fun idea to submit our own votes for this years baseball HOF. I thought that setting up a forum poll would be the easiest and most accurate way of doing it, but I figured that some of you will be voting for those outside the normal top 10, which is the max for a poll on here I believe.

A few rules:

1) You can vote for as little as 1 player or a max of up to 10.
2) Only list the names, not your opinions of why you think they should get in
3) You are aloud to edit your votes up until we get closer to the final announcement.
4) Do not be judgemental of someones choices. If someone would like to vote on Mike Timlin, we might not agree, but be respectful.
5) Once we get close to the official announcement, we will post our own results.


Below are the names on the ballot:


Jack Morris
Jeff Bagwell
Tim Raines
Lee Smith
Curt Schilling
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Don Mattingly
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro
Mike Mussina
Jeff Kent
Kenny Rogers
Luis Gonzalez
Moises Alou
Ray Durham
Hideo Nomo
Tom Glavine
Richie Sexson
Paul Lo Duca
Armando Benitez
Frank Thomas
Mike Timlin
Barry Bonds
Sean Casey
Jacque Jones
Greg Maddux
Eric Gagne
Craig Biggio
J.T. Snow
Todd Jones
Mike Piazza


I'll go first:

Frank Thomas
Tom Glavine
Greg Maddux
Jeff Kent

[CMIZ5290]

Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine

[Big Six]

Jack Morris
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Fred McGriff
Don Mattingly
Mike Mussina
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio

[chaddurbin]

bonds
maddux
clemens
thomas
raines
glavine
trammell

p.s. there's respectful, then there's insanity. if someone votes for mike timlin i would block the member so i don't have to deal with his instability in the future.

[Scott Garner]

1) Greg Maddox (Definitely- A lock even though he's a c***) I'm a poet and don't even know it
2) Tom Glavine (Definitely)
3) Frank Thomas (Definitely the best hitting big man that I ever have seen in my lifetime)


I also like Jack Morris (The pitcher of the 1980's decade), Craig Biggio and Edgar Martinez as very strong possibilities.

[baseball tourist]

Jack Morris
Edgar Martinez
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux

[packs]

Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Jeff Kent

Surprised Kent doesn't show up on the lists above.

[eastonfalcon19]

Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Craig Biggio
Roger Clemens
Jack Morris
Mike Piazza
Tim Raines

[Bugsy]

Jack Morris
Tim Raines
Lee Smith
Jeff Kent
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio

[39special]

Morris
L.Smith
Mattingly
Glavine
F.Thomas
Maddux
Piazza

[JayZim13]

Tom Glavine
Greg Maddox
Fred McGriff
Frank
Thomas

[maniac_73]

Morris
Clemens
Mcgriff
Glavine
Thomas
Bonds
Maddox
Piazza


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[perezfan]

Glavine
Maddox
Thomas
Piazza

[parker1b2]

Maddox
Glavine
Thomas
McGriff(never gets any love it seems)
Kent
Mussina

[bn2cardz]

Barry Bonds
Frank Thomas
Mike Piazza
Roger Clemens
Curt Schilling
Greg Maddux
Rafael Palmeiro
Tim Raines
Edgar Martinez
Tom Glavine

[71buc]

Tim Raines
Lee Smith
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Barry Bonds
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza

[mr2686]

Jack Morris
Jeff Bagwell
Tim Raines
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza

[toyman55]

Roger Clemens
Mike Piazza
Greg Maddux
Barry Bonds
Tom Glavine
Mark Mcgwire
Jeff Bagwell

[daves_resale_shop]

Glavine
Maddux
Thomas
Piazza

[barrysloate]

Jeff Bagwell
Tim Raines
Roger Clemens
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmiero
Frank Thomas
Barry Bonds
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza

[mighty bombjack]

Jeff Bagwell
Roger Clemens
Frank Thomas
Barry Bonds
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza
Jeff Kent

[canjond]

Mike Mussina
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza

[CharleyBrown]

Tim Raines
Fred McGriff
Mike Mussina
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza

[rustywilly]

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza
Jeff Kent
Mike Mussina
Tim Raines

[Section103]

Maddox
Bonds
Thomas
Glavine
Biggio

[Donscards]

Jack Morris---Roger Clemens---Don Mattingly--Frank Thomas--Greg Maddux and Mike Piazza

[brewing]

Jeff Bagwell

Tim Raines

Roger Clemens

Alan Trammell

Mike Mussina

Kenny Rogers

Tom Glavine

Barry Bonds

Greg Maddux

Craig Biggio


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[ejharrington]

Jack Morris
Curt Schilling
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Barry Bonds
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza

[HRBAKER]

Maddux, Glavine and Thomas

"That's all folks."

[MVSNYC]

1st Ballot:

Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine

In a few years:

Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza
Jeff Bagwell
Frank Thomas

A few years beyond that:

Larry Walker
Fred McGriff
Mike Mussina

Will be interesting to see what ever happens with these guys...

Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds

[bnorth]

Roger Clemens
Fred McGriff
Barry Bonds
Craig Biggio
Greg Maddux

Next year I would vote for Frank Thomas and Tom Glavine I believe they are HOFers just not first ballot HOFers. I think that is reserved for the truly special players.

[billyb]

Maddux
Glavine
Trammell
Biggio
Thomas

[drmondobueno]

Edgar Martinez
Roger Maris

[sago]

Maddux and Thomas.

While I am sure Piazza will get his share of votes, being the best hitting catcher of all time (and arguably, I would put at least Yogi and Bench ahead of him), he cannot make up for being the worst defensive catcher of all time.

[Nashvol]

Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine

[djrhanover]

Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas

[TaxMechanick]

Jack Morris
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio

[earlywynnfan]

Glavine
Maddux (duh!)
Big Hurt
Piazza (someday I'll have to start a thread to see what people have against him!)

I'd include the following, who I don't think are on the level above:
Jeff Kent
Biggio
Mussina.


I love Jack Morris, but just am not sure about him being a HOFer. Same with Raines.
I think the Shilling (years of dominance) vs. Mussina (years of steady quality) debate should be talked about more!!

Ken

[MacDice]

Jeff Bagwell
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Larry Walker
Frank Thomas
Barry Bonds
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza

[JollyElm]

Jeff Bagwell
Jeff Kent
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza

[oldjudge]

Maddux
Thomas

[Wildfireschulte]

Maddux
Glavine
Sosa

DH's need to wait a few years (Frank, Edgar)
Known PED users need to wait until they are dead - Sosa is dead, right?

[bender07]

Curt Schilling
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio

[HRBAKER]

Maddux
Glavine
Sosa

DH's need to wait a few years (Frank, Edgar)
Known PED users need to wait until they are dead - Sosa is dead, right?

He's dead to the voters.
Also he did look quite pale last time I saw him.

[Scott Garner]

He's dead to the voters.
Also he did look quite pale last time I saw him.

Is that hysterical, or what? Why do people want to change their skin color. Too weird!
Slammin' Sammy Sosa = Michael Jackson :eek:

[wolf441]

Jeff Bagwell
Tim Raines
Curt Schilling
Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Barry Bonds
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio

[ptr002]

Morris
Glavine
Thomas
Maddox
Biggio

[Frank A]

Raines Shilling Glavine Maddux It amazes me how people vote for some cheaters but not all.

[WWGjohn]

Maddux
Thomas
Glavine

[novakjr]

Jeff Bagwell
Tim Raines
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Jeff Kent
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza


Harder than I thought. There's close to 20 guys on that list that I think should be in the HOF. These are just my top 10. BTW, I would vote for the PED guys..

Just for fun, I'll also write in: Albert Belle..

Anyways, given the log-jam, I think voters will put in a larger class this year, to clear things out moving forward.. Piazza, Biggio, Glavine, Maddux, Thomas and possibly Bagwell all get in this year. Glavine and Maddux go in as teammates, which is another reason that I think Baggy gets in this year, I think he'll tag-along with Biggio(although, I could see this happening next year).

[UnVme7]

Thank you to those that have participated so far. We'll let this go end of day on the 5th and we'll post final results.

For anyone that is interested, there are currently 97 known ballots that have been made public so far. Out of those 97, there would be 4 elected- Maddux, Glavine, Thomas and Biggio, with Piazza very close behind. All 97 had Maddux, and of course we all know some numbnuts didn't vote for him. But as of right now, on the 97 that we know, Maddux is on every single one.

[Forever Young]

Thank you to those that have participated so far. We'll let this go end of day on the 5th and we'll post final results.

For anyone that is interested, there are currently 97 known ballots that have been made public so far. Out of those 97, there would be 4 elected- Maddux, Glavine, Thomas and Biggio, with Piazza very close behind. All 97 had Maddux, and of course we all know some numbnuts won't be voting for him.

After you posted this.. there will be someone now for sure.

Maddux
Big Hurt
Glavine

[UnVme7]

After you posted this.. there will be someone now for sure.

Maddux
Big Hurt
Glavine

True, but I'm talking about the official votes, ballots that the writers have made public to us via Twitter, Facebook, etc., not our forum votes. I actually haven't calculated ours yet.

[Kenny Cole]

Maddux
Glavine
Thomas
Biggio
Piazza
Raines
Bonds
Clemens
Trammel
Bagwell

[UnVme7]

We'll go end of today and then total it up tomorrow. So if you haven't voted yet, and would like to participate, please do so before today ends.

Thanks guys!

[Harford20]

Maddux
Glavine
Thomas

[bat_master]

Jack Morris
Tim Raines
Lee Smith
Roger Clemens
Edgar Martinez
Alan Trammell
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza

[jgmp123]

Maddux
Glavine
Thomas

[UnVme7]

Going once...

[sycks22]

Big Hurt
Maddux
Glavine
Biggio

[Jim65]

Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Mike Piazza

[UnVme7]

FINAL

Maddux- 100%- 55 votes
Thomas- 85.4%- 47 votes
Glavine- 83.6%- 46 votes

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Biggio- 43.6%- 24 votes
Piazza- 43.6%- 24 votes
Bagwell- 20%- 20 votes
Raines- 30.9%- 17 votes
Clemens- 30.9%- 17 votes
Bonds- 27.2%- 15 votes
Morris- 21.8%- 12 votes
Kent- 18.1%- 10 votes
McGriff- 14.5%- 8 votes
Martinez- 14.5%- 8 votes
Mussina- 12.7%- 7 votes
Trammell- 10.9%- 6 votes
Schilling- 10.9%- 6 votes
L. Smith- 7.2%- 4 votes
Mattingly- 5.4%- 3 votes
McGwire- 5.4%- 3 votes
Sosa- 5.4%- 3 votes

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Palmeiro- 3.6%- 2 votes
Rogers- 1.8%- 1 vote
Belle- 1.8%- 1 vote
Walker- 1.8%- 1 vote

Write-in:
Maris- 1.8%- 1 vote


Thank you to those that participated. Believe it or not, this is actually pretty accurate to the real ballots that have been made public.

[jgmp123]

New Hall of Famers:

Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas

[bn2cardz]

Can't get much closer than Biggio did with 74.8% of the votes... come on just round up :D

[gashouse34]

Can't get much closer than Biggio did with 74.8% of the votes... come on just round up :D

Was thinking the same thing....What is that 1 or 2 votes? Tough day for him.

[jgmp123]

I picked up a Biggio auto about an hour ago...hoping to add him to the collection before a price spike. I guess i'll have to wait until next year.

[glynparson]

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Frank Thomas
Jack Morris
Mike Piazza
Alan Trammell

[Scott Garner]

Nate,
Thanks for starting this thread.
FWIW, congrats to Maddox, Glavine and Thomas.
All 3 deserve to be in the HOF in my opinion. :)

[bn2cardz]

Was thinking the same thing....What is that 1 or 2 votes? Tough day for him.

Maybe they should grade on a curve. When a DUH! vote like Maddux doesn't get 100% of the vote then you know there are some voters who shouldn't be voting.

[earlywynnfan]

Maybe they should grade on a curve. When a DUH! vote like Maddux doesn't get 100% of the vote then you know there are some voters who shouldn't be voting.

You know, I'm big on wondering how guys like Musial and such don't get 100% but sort of understand with Maddux. Is he a HOF lock? SURE! But with this ballot, crammed with players who are deserving (or at least deserving of a few years' discussion,) then I could see myself voting for 10 other guys, knowing full well Maddux will get in anyway.

Not saying this is the right thing to do, but I'd understand it.

Ken

[bn2cardz]

You know, I'm big on wondering how guys like Musial and such don't get 100% but sort of understand with Maddux. Is he a HOF lock? SURE! But with this ballot, crammed with players who are deserving (or at least deserving of a few years' discussion,) then I could see myself voting for 10 other guys, knowing full well Maddux will get in anyway.

Not saying this is the right thing to do, but I'd understand it.

Ken

This is why I say it should be done on a curve. I wonder if that is why Biggio didn't get those extra two votes, some just assumed he would be in and they could put their votes somewhere else. It only takes 2 guys thinking that way in this case.

[Jim65]

Maybe they should grade on a curve. When a DUH! vote like Maddux doesn't get 100% of the vote then you know there are some voters who shouldn't be voting.

Agreed, the writer who voted for guys like JT Snow shouldn't be voting either.

[Forever Young]

Anyone have a link to all the players that got votes and the corresponding percentages they could post?

[earlywynnfan]

This was posted by Rob over on the card side:

MLB.COM

Player (Years on ballot) Total Votes Percentage
Greg Maddux (1) 555 97.2
Tom Glavine (1) 525 91.9
Frank Thomas (1) 478 83.7
Craig Biggio (2) 427 74.8
Mike Piazza (2) 355 62.2
Jack Morris (15) 351 61.5
Jeff Bagwell (4) 310 54.3
Tim Raines (7) 263 46.1
Roger Clemens (2) 202 35.4
Barry Bonds (2) 198 34.7
Lee Smith (12) 171 29.9
Curt Schilling (2) 167 29.2
Edgar Martinez (5) 144 25.2
Alan Trammell (13) 119 20.8
Mike Mussina (1) 116 20.3
Jeff Kent (1) 87 15.2
Fred McGriff (8) 67 11.7
Mark McGwire (8) 63 11.0
Larry Walker (4) 58 10.2
Don Mattingly (14) 47 8.2
Sammy Sosa (2) 41 7.2
Rafael Palmeiro (4) 25 4.4
Moises Alou (1) 6 1.1
Hideo Nomo (1) 6 1.1
Luis Gonzalez (1) 5 0.9
Eric Gagne (1) 2 0.4
J.T. Snow (1) 2 0.4
Armando Benitez (1) 1 0.2
Jacque Jones (1) 1 0.2
Kenny Rogers (1) 1 0.2
Sean Casey (1) 0 0.0
Ray Durham (1) 0 0.0
Todd Jones (1) 0 0.0
Paul Lo Duca (1) 0 0.0
Richie Sexson (1) 0 0.0
Mike Timlin (1) 0 0.0
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[earlywynnfan]

So if Mussina didn't come close, what do you guys think of Pettite's chances?

[Forever Young]

So... how do people get nominated?? Like.... these guys.......

Moises Alou (1) 6 1.1
Hideo Nomo (1) 6 1.1
Luis Gonzalez (1) 5 0.9
Eric Gagne (1) 2 0.4
J.T. Snow (1) 2 0.4
Armando Benitez (1) 1 0.2
Jacque Jones (1) 1 0.2
Kenny Rogers (1) 1 0.2
Sean Casey (1) 0 0.0
Ray Durham (1) 0 0.0
Todd Jones (1) 0 0.0
Paul Lo Duca (1) 0 0.0
Richie Sexson (1) 0 0.0
Mike Timlin (1) 0 0.0

[Scott Garner]

So... how do people get nominated?? Like.... these guys.......

Moises Alou (1) 6 1.1
Hideo Nomo (1) 6 1.1
Luis Gonzalez (1) 5 0.9
Eric Gagne (1) 2 0.4
J.T. Snow (1) 2 0.4
Armando Benitez (1) 1 0.2
Jacque Jones (1) 1 0.2
Kenny Rogers (1) 1 0.2
Sean Casey (1) 0 0.0
Ray Durham (1) 0 0.0
Todd Jones (1) 0 0.0
Paul Lo Duca (1) 0 0.0
Richie Sexson (1) 0 0.0
Mike Timlin (1) 0 0.0

Great question, Ben. :rolleyes:

[earlywynnfan]

I believe they take anyone who meets the criteria, which would be what, not on the banned list and played at least 8 seasons.

[almostdone]

The criteria to be on the HOFERS ballot is to have played for at least ten complete seasons and be retired for at least five full seasons along with not being on the banned list. If a person receives at least 5% of the votes cast they will roll over to the next years ballot. If not they are taken off the ballot. 75% is the minimum needed to gain entrance into the hall of fame.
Drew

[Jim65]

So if Mussina didn't come close, what do you guys think of Pettite's chances?

I think Pettitte is on the fence, he did admit taking a PED.

[perezfan]

I would give Pettite a 35 - 40% chance. And that's across his entire term of eligibility. Post-season achievements and playing most years in NY helps - PED factor hurts...

Maybe the passage of time will soften things, and his honest admission will be well-embraced, as opposed to most others' elusiveness, lying and deception (McGwire/Bonds/Clemens/Palmeiro/Sosa/A-Rod).

But if you are asking about first-ballot, I would say less than a 5% chance.

[HRBAKER]

I think Pettitte is on the fence, he did admit taking a PED.

He'll never get in via the sportswriters IMO bc he either lied initially or later about Clemens.

[toyman55]

I am sure I'm not the oldest here but at age 65 I have been a basball fan since I was 7 years old. As a fan I profess though a Dodger fan I love all the teams and all the players. I ask those of you who are against the PED players what were you doing the day Mark McGwire broke the home record and how did you react? Yes Bonds and Clemens and McGwire and Sosa took a substance the sports writers knew about, the owners knew about, even the players knew but yet none of them and my guess is that those here never stood up and yelled "HEY THEY ARE CHEATING". Shoeless Joe Jackson cheated yet many here want him in the hall. Pete Rose bet on baseball but in my book deserves the hall. I VOTE for the PED player who spent many of their years playing fairly to get into the Hall. That's my opinion and I respect yours.

[Karl Mattson]

I ask those of you who are against the PED players what were you doing the day Mark McGwire broke the home record and how did you react?

I was yelling HEY THEY'RE CHEATING, and I was doing it all year long in 1998. A friend and I had an email dialogue going throughout the year discussing what a shame it all was. I remember sending him scans of McGwire's and Sosa's earlier baseball cards and the two of us joking about the 60 pounds of muscle they miraculously added. I remember us joking about Sosa's inability to reach down for ground balls hit to him in the outfield; I remember feeling badly for the Maris family when it was obvious that the HR record would not just be broken but obliterated.

My friend and I had a similar email dialogue 3 years later regarding Bonds, only I rooted FOR Bonds. Because I thought it further invalidated the "record", and because I figured it might result in some kind of investigation and change, which it eventually did.

Later, when Bonds was chasing Aaron, I was convinced there was a nod-and-a-wink among managers to walk Bonds like crazy in order to slow down his progress - to delay his setting the record until they could find just cause to suspend him, or until his body broke down and he retired. Sadly, Bonds prevailed, however MLB did manage to keep him from 3,000 hits and possibly the all-time runs, RBIs and EBH records.

[toyman55]

I fully see your point. I myself believe the fans were entitled to a game without cheating as well but you or I or any of the fans could not have stopped it. Yes we all knew what was going on but MLB and the commissioner and the owners and the baseball writers and announcers who could have made a difference didn't! Clemens and Bonds among others were some of the greatest athletes prior to PED. I believe Clemens as well as Bonds and others were like kids in a Candy store in that baseball is a short career and this was a way to stay in the limelight longer and to be productive. YES I thought it was wrong but I also think there is a place in the hall for these athletes.

[HRBAKER]

They had it all before they started. It was their choice and now what they are dealing with is part of the bargain they made. Nobody but their pride, ego and greed made them do it. Not the fans, not the Commissioner, not the writers, not the non-doping teammates. Your point is a good one about no one stepping forward (sans Canseco for multiple purposes) but they each are responsible for their own behavior. The players are responsible for the mess, not the writers.

[toyman55]

Jeff, I don't want to sound like what they did is right because it wasn't. I do think that at the time Mcgwire and Sosa were banging out homers fans were flocking to the stadiums filling seats and not only making owners rich but if you recall fan attendance had been dwindling and interest fading. Point being no one in baseball wanted to say anything because they were saving and more important bringing back fan interest. Maybe we should toss Gaylord Perry and Burlleigh Grimes, Ed Walsh and a few others out of the Hall for throwing a spitball! That was cheating as well. Do you think Don Drysdale who was infamous for throwing at batters and hitting them? Don hit 154 batters, the great Walter Johnson hit 205, Nolan Ryan 158 BUT Koufax who pitched in pain isn't even in the top ten of hitting batters. Do you think some of those guys cheated. My point is for me and me alone, I cheered all the PED guys at the time and was happy to see new and younger fans coming out and watching the game. I say cut some slack, vote them in and if you have to say they cheated for a period of time then say it and get over it.

[HRBAKER]

What were we supposed to do? Stop going to the games or cheering bc some of the players decided to cheat? I don't feel compelled to cut them any slack just bc I kept going to or watching the games. Not arguing with you at all, but this is on them alone to me.

[UnVme7]

Nate,
Thanks for starting this thread.
FWIW, congrats to Maddox, Glavine and Thomas.
All 3 deserve to be in the HOF in my opinion. :)

Yeah you bet!

It was actually fairly accurate as far as who was elected and who fell off. Good job everyone, and thanks for participating.