Is this for real? Glove expert please-

[DeafSports]

As a Dummy Taylor collector. I almost have everything of his stuff and this came up? This would be a great piece to my collection but I'm scared that its not even true.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unbelievably-Rare-LUTHER-DUMMY-TAYLOR-Game-Used-Glove-Lot-Photo-Card-NY-GIANTS-/111231480518?pt=Vintage_Sports_Memorabilia&hash=item19e5e9b2c6


Does that glove looks like 1900-15?

Thoughts?

Best,
Danny

[ctownboy]

NO.

Is this a Dummy Taylor model glove?

Is there an authentic Dummy Taylor autograph on it?

Is there any written provenance with this glove?

Did an expert authenticate it?

NO!!!!

All you have is a story.

I can go out and buy an old glove (or take one out of my collection), buy a T206 Dummy Taylor card, add in another piece and make up the SAME story and list it on eBay as "original" and "authentic". Would my story be even better or worse than this person's?

David

[pgellis]

Danny,

I saw that too! It very well could be his glove, but the bottom line is that nobody can prove that it is in fact his glove. The story it a pretty good one, but you would be buying this beat up glove with only your faith in the story.

You would never be able to prove it and you would not be able to re-sell it with that story attached to it.

The seller is selling the piece at a price that he might get if there was some provenance attached to it, but there isn't. If he was selling it for $100, then maybe you buy and "believe" the story, but once again, there is no way to possibly prove that it was Dummy Taylor's.

I am not a glove expert, but I believe that it dates to that period. For whatever that's worth.

Phil

[Shoeless Moe]

.....with Ctownboy, I do not think you can flat out say "No".

1 most attempts at fraud are done using the bigger name players.

2 While yes anyone can make up a story, and it's possible this one is made up too. I'd personally see if the seller could provide more evidence to back up their story.

Are the glove and card vintage as well? Or modern day....modern day, sellers full of it....vintage, then still possibly real.

Granted no way of ever knowing 100% on many items we come accross, but I like the civil court where it doesn't have to be beyond a reasonable doubt, but rather the preponderance of the evidence.

I'd see if they can dig up anything else on dear old grandpa was in fact deaf. Also, look at every one of the sellers past transactions, not that that proves anything, but you never know what you may or may not uncover.

Don't give up until the ship is lost!

[Shoeless Moe]

Also forget PSA/DNA, you need to be a regular Quincy.......you buy the glove maybe his DNA is in there, you find one of Taylor's granddaughters, go on a date with her, take her back to her place, take a strand of hair from her hairbrush.

Do your own DNA test. Granted Ebay only gives you 30 days to dispute an item, so get cracking!

[Shoeless Moe]

check with Troy at Mears.....most scammers would not run a known fake item by an expert.

So 1. they think the story is real enough to further pursue, that's a plus.

What does Troy think?

Yes we no their wasn't enough evidence for him to green light it, but did he yellow light it or red light it?

[Mr. Mitt]

The obvious has already been stated, there's no way to prove any glove from that (or any) era was used by a particular player. In this case, the glove is from the correct time period, but it is not a professional model glove. The materials used are substandard and what you'd find on a youth glove. Dummy may have given him the glove, but there's no way he used it.

[Shoeless Moe]

and their you have it.

Dummy was no dummy.

[Mr. Mitt]

Just to clarify, one-inch web gloves such as this example were prevalent in the 1920's but could be found emerging in the mid to late teens. Prior to 1910 and into the early part of the teens, gloves had more of a full-web, two inches or more. The piping on this glove is not professional grade rolled leather, it's more of a lesser ribbon sewn around the perimeter. Furthermore, the addition of metal grommets at the heel came later. Most high quality gloves that the pros would use during the mid-teens lacked the metal grommets. They were found more often on mass produced gloves beginning in the 20's.